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I haven’t seen a lot of these, just few- but ‘I told you so’ type of comments to staff members exiting are very painful.
Although I have been the one labeled by the institution as an ‘insurrectionist’, ‘loud one’, and a ‘traitor’ as someone who raised up concerns so many times,
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Oh the effects of ongoing trauma! Help Lord!
Much to everyone’s surprise - after 2 months of leave of absence, we are back on staff, limited to serving on our worship team with the webstream turned off. We might be the only ones that actually came back from the leave..?
We said
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Just wanting my kiddos to grow up with a marvelous childhood, knowing that their parents loved each other, their dad was around… and that he was faithful to build the things that glorified God, loved his job, provided food on the table, and that he didn’t turn away from giving a
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Thank you Tammy for your bravery. We stand and grieve with you. Thank you everyone standing up for the victims. We are just so sorry and hurting with you.
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@ihopkc
At the beginning of all this, I had the ‘worst case scenario’ in my mind concerning how things could turn out, as I was fighting to stay faithful w my assignment from the Lord to be a seasoned musician of IHOPKC.
It is so sad to see that we are in that worst case scenario. 💔
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Fighting thru so much offense and confusion… trying to look up. Jesus is Lord. He will bring justice. Trying to focus on the simple things. Trying to love people well!
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Me, thinking that I can’t be shocked at anything new that comes out anymore, then opening X in the morning:
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Borrowing this quote from a current IHOPKC worship leader, sharing their heart with me. Heart broken. Please pray for this community. We need God.
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@kcneros
Great question!
I've been on a leave of absence for 2 months. I JUST returned back to my worship team last Tuesday because it is still my main community. Hasn't been an easy decision, but wanted to fulfill the commitment of wanting tp be present with our friends and family.
I
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@EricVolz
“…With Stuart Greaves, met with MB to confront him and question him”
How is this more important than Francis + meeting with MB, especially when Stuart+ Dave already confronted MB on the 25th?
How long of a meeting did this have to be if you weren’t working on behalf of MB?
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@ahailstone
The songs , countless prayers, tears,
Beautiful, sincere people that said yes to live out the First and Second commandments… I still think there are some good ❤️🔥💔
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@realprophetguy
@reachjulieroys
No he has stepped off from this role when he stepped down from ELT/IHOPU. I know this because this is my team’s set 👍🏻
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@JeremyJamesWhit
@blaiseforet
I can second this, Most staff are sad and shocked. Some believed in his innocence until his public statement, but this mindset of MB the David is not the main narrative of IHOP community at all.
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Concert ready. Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky. ✌🏻The Kansas City Symphony
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@JenniferVerdery
@alterofinquiry
@ihopkc
@EricVolz
I was delighted to hear from the statement that there’s an active communication between Exec committee and the Advocate group to come to an agreement about this!!!
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@Calebculver
@7MountainsInc
@ihopkc
He tasted a teaspoon of attention and loved it, and now wants more
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@alterofinquiry
@ihopkc
@EricVolz
Correction: Personal opinion- I thought the sermon was very abrasive + timing of it was very inadequate. I found
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and Gen Fuller’s statements very helpful. I know there are many uncertainties, but I think we are heading in the right direction.
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@THESTABLEMEN
@JenniferVerdery
@blaiseforet
I don’t have a list.. but I did ask if Anne was (since it was an obvious conflict since she is/was MB’s assistant), and I was told no. I wasn’t given a full list of the board, it was told to me that they want to keep them anonymous
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@SheilaBoland2
It IS God. It’s also the devil. Also weak human beings. Brothers against brothers.
It is mercy of God, exposing darkness because He loves His Church. Holy God, bringing His people to the fear of the Lord. Holy God, delivering us from ourselves and false grace.
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@AlyssaDegraff
For sure! We have no idea. 99% of staff found out about the resignation, all from that last night’s public email 😅
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@mistydedwards
I’m so sorry that you and your family are going thru this. As much as people want to find out truth, under no circumstances such behavior of harassing is acceptable. Praying for you
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@JaysonCarr
@_1984Sheepdog
@ihopkc
@reachjulieroys
@blaiseforet
Wait, this is just the hall way out of his office tho. Locks should be on the opposite side. I haven’t been in the office to see if there are locks on the other side.
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@joshjrainwater
@reachjulieroys
@reb_hopkins
@HeavenBentPod
@blaiseforet
I imagine and hope more infrastructure of therapy, counseling, education, and support will materialize since the ‘rumors’ became facts
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@Cre8_Paintings
Possibly. All of the leaders I’ve interacted have been humble, receptive, and respectful to me, altho there are some that have had ‘not-so-peaceful’ meetings of course. Granted they don’t agree with all of the perspectives that me and my friends are conveying nor will they
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@joshjrainwater
@reachjulieroys
@reb_hopkins
@HeavenBentPod
@blaiseforet
Affiliated ministries internationally seemed to have distanced themselves almost immediately when the allegations surfaced back in Oct. However there are many in the IHOPKC community that have visa / finances thru IHOPKC- students and staff that are in a TOUGH place…
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@AlyssaDegraff
Mr. Fuller+committee are communicating more with the department heads and some worship leaders, and then those leaders have been sharing info to the rest of us. It hasn’t been always the smoothest but there’s more organization for sure, thank God!
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@vpaigewhitaker
@kcneros
Thank you friend! I have not been perfect, but trying to follow ‘Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.’
Meanwhile evaluating the fruit, good stuff, bad stuff, UGLY stuff. I am confident that God is doing this. He is cleaning the
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@joshjrainwater
@reachjulieroys
@reb_hopkins
@HeavenBentPod
@blaiseforet
Thank you for your help!
we have been in a drought of information, let alone the core of staff including middle leadership believed that Mike was innocent all along until the recent statement of Stuart’s resignation + the permanent separation with MB so… yeah.. we need help 😭
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Love and respect Pastor
@leemcummings
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@ihopkc
I am very detatched from the sentiments of needing IHOPKC to ‘survive’ the attack of the devil. We are very small, and does not represent the whole Prayer Movement. Just here for my friends and family here.
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@benpanders0n
@JeremyJamesWhit
@TheYouNoWhos
I agree! We need better protocols that protects the people
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@ahailstone
@riper_van1739
@JaysonCarr
@_1984Sheepdog
@ihopkc
@reachjulieroys
@blaiseforet
VERY weird. 🚩
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@rachaelannsteel
@juliepitts_
@SheilaBoland2
💔 Rachael, did you receive any reply from any of these leaders?
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@prayerbiscuit
@gene416
@kcneros
Absolutely. I'm in total agreement with you there. I'm re-evaluating all of MB's teachings, leadership style/principles, and would be VERY happy to cut out all the prophetic history stuff. Many people on staff would actually agree with this 100%
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@JohnsonHea19235
Also noticing many Asians in the list. Cross cultural dynamics are frustrating. Not justifying their actions, however being an Asian and knowing most Asian culture, the immigrant Asian community does not always have the best communication methods or philosophy.. im sorry
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Grateful for another weekend here. Special weekend working with the new director Matthias Pintscher
#KCSymphony
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Genuine Q: What is a main difference between a teacher VS a preacher? Should the body of Christ receive from a teacher/preacher that is not actively pouring into a local church (in leadership role)? Or can itinary teaching/preaching exist healthily outside of a church model?
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@gene416
@kcneros
You don't have to agree with me, I'm evaluating a lot of things for myself, I'm not an 'IHOPKC loyalist', I challenge MANY problems and wrong things I see related to just about anything -
However, altho MB did pioneer IHOPKC
Day and night prayer and worship wasn't invented by
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@ihopkc
At the same time. We are grieving to see our childhood home on fire. Trying to process that.
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@JenniferVerdery
@Arron_with_God
@DarrenHibbs
@THESTABLEMEN
@blaiseforet
I agree with this. There IS somewhat of an autonomy in the prayer room currently, which shows the obvious disconnect pastorally and culturally related to the leadership. I’m on a leave to process information objectively hence I mentioned ‘time’.
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@shaneholden1970
@THESTABLEMEN
@JenniferVerdery
@blaiseforet
Thank you for all that you do sir! Grateful for people like you in regards/regardless of the official roles! We are in a crisis mode 🥺
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@JohnsonHea19235
@SieNoel
@JimNancyHester
I'm sorry. We would be down to stand with you again, I am very confident that some of their responses will be different... Let me know please! It doesn't allow me to DM you, but feel free send me a message heather!
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@AlyssaDegraff
Few years back from the top down they recommended everyone to change the signature to Intercessory Missionary to keep us focused to what we are first called to, rather than just a positional title. So from MB, Stuart, Dave to almost everyone had it this way!
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@rachaelannsteel
And too bad ihop actually paid arm and a leg for this sloppy mess of Lanthrop report
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@JohnsonHea19235
I'm sorry. Would you be open to having me and my wife mediate between you and majority of these people? I'll dm you
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@THESTABLEMEN
@JenniferVerdery
@blaiseforet
I mean, the leadership’s reasoning for board anonymity, is that every name they have shared gets destroyed online why they are not credible and all their dirt is dug up 😂 At this point i guess we’ll have to see how this plays out… 😔
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@THESTABLEMEN
This is just the FCF one. IHOP has way more 501c3s and DBAs that keep this place running!
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@SieNoel
@TheYouNoWhos
@JeremyJamesWhit
I’m so sorry Sierra. There’s perhaps only one or two SL that I respect and trust. And theoretically I am very much for the ‘Section Leader’ roles to be removed completely so… there’s that??
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@DunningAwen
@THESTABLEMEN
@JenniferVerdery
@blaiseforet
I agree! I deeply care about this community. Honestly no one cares about the board… until things started crashing 😔 so I believe this is a good time for rebuilding and actually appoint people that will help and not just empower social climbers
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@valle_damian89
@TonySGTFO
Still happening! Tho there are many conversation questioning its validity, the format, the methodology, the interpretation, the extravagance, the inconvenience, the toxicity, the beauty, the machine, the golden calf, the love offering. ALL of it. :) It's really healthy in many
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@reasonedX
@gene416
@kcneros
Exactly I agree with you. I replied in the other comment hence we are re-evaluating a lot of things!
I don’t personally believe 24/7 is a mandate from God! I only see that in Rev 4- even those OT passages talk of Day and Night which, I don’t think it was 24/7 either.
I’ve
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@MarlaAReid
@TonySGTFO
Matter of fact, Mike Bickle himself would discourage small churches and leaders from charging their congregations for 24/7!! He would often say don’t do it, just keep things simple, praying church is the most important
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@THESTABLEMEN
@JenniferVerdery
@blaiseforet
No problem! I’m frustrated too. Regardless of the board, I was told the executive committee under general Fuller is making the operational decisions, not the board, and he does seem like a legit guy.
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@riper_van1739
@JaysonCarr
@_1984Sheepdog
@ihopkc
@reachjulieroys
@blaiseforet
Yeah Korynne is right. I think theoretically if these three doors get locked then yes, but knowing how many leaders go in and out thru these hall ways to get to board room to prayer room that would be extremely odd to see all three bolted
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@SolarChildX1
Fair! Notice I’m not mentioning animal sacrifices and all the dark stuff of OT and such- I believe in the perfect Savior who died on the Cross, and the power of His resurrection from death and faith in Him makes us His. And that we are the temple.
I’m wanting to appeal to you
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@JeremyJamesWhit
@TheYouNoWhos
We have 6-10 excellent internal security teams that work hand in hand with the police that monitor all of our properties
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@Arron_with_God
@JenniferVerdery
@DarrenHibbs
@THESTABLEMEN
@blaiseforet
Ok very creepy. And weird logic. Please stop
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@blaiseforet
@JeremyJamesWhit
Personally not sure who this is!! Don't get me wrong tho... there are a lot of unhealthy fan boys....
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@joshjrainwater
For sure. I am not over-spiritualizing. I have real time frame, and some exit plans!!
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@andy64052583
@JulieAMeyer
@DrMichaelLBrown
I still have hope!!!
Even if it’s not necessarily under Dr.Brown, but similar idea that can bring IHOP leadership and AG together.
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@alterofinquiry
@ihopkc
@EricVolz
The youtube crashed however the weekend services stream was/is still available.
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@SieNoel
@JohnsonHea19235
@JimNancyHester
I’m not saying she hasn’t done it. But there are also a lot of ppl on the list hence I’m trying to just get better understanding. I am very aware of ghosting culture here
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