Do you know of a female athlete who lost out on a medal, scholarship or other opportunity due to being forced to compete against a man?
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@Lea_Christina4
@ABDanielleSmith
He rants and raves at you because you're the strong, accomplished woman he can never be. He's a pathetic loser of a man and deep down he knows it.
Veronica Garcia (née Donovan Brown), a male athlete who competes in girls' sports, would have placed 24th in the boys' division. Instead, he placed 1st in the girls' division, displacing the rightful winners:
- 🥇Lauren Matthew
- 🥈Andee Kroiss
- 🥉Naomi Taylor
👟Male track runner Veronica Garcia won the WOMEN's varsity 400m on Saturday in Washington.
@wiaawa
He's currently ranked 1st in the League & 4th overall for girls in the state. This is the teenager's 2nd name change (Donovan Brown ➡️ Davina Brown ➡️ Veronica Garcia)...🧵
We get that math is hard for you, but don't worry, we are here to help. As of today:
- 33% of women on the list would have won 1st place 🥇
- 30% would have won 2nd place 🥈
- 28% would have won 3rd place 🥉
@PhoTaeToes
@Skylark_twit
@CarilynJohnson
you know that 99.5% of ppl on that list would have still lost if the transwoman never competed?
meaning they did "loose their spot" or "lost their trophy" bc they would still have never got either of them
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
Leor is correct. You never address the argument that even though something may be relatively rare, it is still wrong.
It’s rare that your house gets burgled, as compared to all existing houses not getting burgled. It’s still wrong.
Another case in point of lazy keyboard warriors making stuff up without doing a modicum of research. is run entirely by volunteers and has received no money from outside organizations. Ours is a labor of love ❤️
A big congrats to the real winners of the New England Girls High Jump Championship:
- 🥇 Zoe Santos
- 🥈 Macy Daigle
- 🥉 Hannah Santos
Those were great jumps - well done!
🥇Male athlete, Lizzy Bidwell won the GIRLS New England Track & Field Championship high jump title this weekend.
He secured the
#1
jump in CT and the
#3
highest jump nationwide for high school girls. He was 1 of 2 boys in the girls' event of 32. 🧵
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Male athletes don't always win in women's sports, but they do tilt the playing field and make a mockery of fair competition.
Drawing a conclusion about male advantage based on how often they win is a logical fallacy.
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
Leor is correct that the website documents what happens to women’s sports when males participate. You’re harping on the fact that we can’t document every sporting event ever, when that’s irrelevant. The point is to address the very common argument of “this never happens”.
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
We have never tried to determine how many events in the whole entire world have ever had a male competing in the women’s category. The fact that you bring this up tells me you’re innumerate as well as illiterate.
He's a man
"Hunter is the National Women’s Champion
Jamie Hunter defeated Mary Talbot-Deegan to win the 2023 Inter County Logistics English Women’s Snooker Championship"
#SaveWomensSports
@MalcolmSheppard
@SCMacNeil
@CarilynJohnson
@VeronikaSimms
Of the 300 men and boys listed on the site, nearly all of them are in college or older, not that it matters. We "track" them in order to disprove the common argument that "this never happens" as well as change policies that enable it to happen.
There is no evidence whatsoever that female athletes would perform as "equals" to their male counterparts after 3 years of testosterone.
Activists like the below have no problem making stuff up, though!
@Phildidgee
@lydlife
Again, your graphs are skewed because trans men have to immediately transition to the mens when they take T.
If they took T for 3+ years, you would see them as equals to cis men.
Trans have been allowed in the Olympics since 2004 and 0 have won gold.
@SamanthaBartosz
@Muttmere1
It doesn't matter why they do it - that's irrelevant. We want to change the rules so that they can't do it.
Female athletes (and our supporters) are rightfully angry about this injustice.
@mo73183
We're not sure if poker or eSports are affected by male sporting advantage. It's possible that eSports are, because of slight male advantage in hand-eye coordination and reaction times. It would be great to get more info on this.
That said, we want to document these niche sports
A slightly lighter man in a similar category in the men's competition lifted ~74kg in the snatch and ~94kg in the clean & jerk.
The man competing in the women's competition lifted ~55kg in the snatch and ~68kg in the clean & jerk. He would have come last in the men's
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
It's unfair because males have a physiological advantage over females, so we have defined a category in sports to exclude this male sporting advantage. Allowing some males to cross over into this category is unfair, even if a particular male is smaller or weaker than other males.
@oolon
@BohemianHarpy
@AlexSmith90014
@StrangelyCurio
@staysafe0325
@jk_rowling
Since you understand "basic logic", you'll surely address the fallacies inherent in your claims:
- Non sequitur (when the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise) and false criteria (using inappropriate criteria to make a judgment): just because men have not won medals in
People often stoop to the argument that because a cheater doesn't always clinch first place, his actions are somehow absolved of any real advantage. Male advantage doesn't guarantee victory, but it does tilt the playing field and make a mockery of the spirit of competition.
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
You seem confused about the arguments we are and aren't making. Male athletes competing in women's sports is unfair because they have a physiological performance advantage that has been well established and extensively documented. Therefore any instance of it occurring is unjust.
@MalcolmSheppard
@SCMacNeil
@CarilynJohnson
@VeronikaSimms
We object to them competing in women's sports, which, as you know, is not just "living their lives". And you think documenting their names and linking to public news articles about them is "stalking", which makes you a deeply unserious person. Get outta here with that rubbish.
@TracyExplains
Flippant response that shows you know nothing about the subject. If you allow men to cross over into women's sports where there are limited medals, scholarships and spots on the team (and whereas the reverse is virtually impossible) then you are taking "pie" away from women.
@HomoDorkimus
@MaudMaron
@sfmcguire79
Oh please - you don't even accept "male" as a word we can use. You've deemed our point of view hateful before the discussion has even started. Pointless.
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
We are not saying that all male athletes are "hulking giants that dominate women's sports." That's a straw man. We are saying that any and all male participation in women's sports is unfair. One instance out of *any* number of competitions is unfair to women.
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
You keep posting this comment as if you think it’s clever but you never answer: how many cases would it take for it to become a problem? Is there any amount?
a transphobe recently sent me as evidence of how trans women athletes are taking over women’s sports with their “inherent biological advantage,” and aside from the less obvious sports, some of the ones they have on here.. LMAO
This is a fallacy. Males have an innate sporting advantage over females. Just because many male athletes don't succeed in women's sports doesn't mean they don't have an advantage. It just means that they are mediocre male athletes.
@twosillykittens
@SophieRunning
@jonathanliew
But you admit they won't win, so difficult to argue they have an advantage. They either have an innate advantage (and should therefore succeed) or they don't and there is no impact
@KatjaInTheAct
@AngelinaBlu35
@ProfDaveAndress
This is a propaganda website. It's not even making an argument that trans women's participation is unfair, it's literally just an argument for complete segregation, apropos of nothing
No trans woman has surpassed cis women in any sport on the planet
@CrunchAlias
@WeAreKETURA
They don't say "male woman" and "female woman" because the idea of it is so absurd that even they can't say it with a straight face. But it is what they mean. So, they made up a Latin prefix to obscure their absurd idea and they wriggle out of any direct confrontation about it.
@CaraPac46808618
@kinjones29
@cathydevine56
@mPinoe
It’s not theory. The studies referenced above show actual data on male vs. female physiologies with and without hormones, which is what you asked for. On the She Won website, you can see hundreds of women who have lost opportunities to men. Are you done moving the goalposts yet?
@Coach_Schmitt1
@emitchell321
@mcdowell_is
@RealDanZak
I understand how governing bodies work. I happen to disagree with the ones that allow men to compete against women. The fact that you call my position “hate-filled” just reveals your bias and inability to have a productive discussion.
@Coach_Schmitt1
@emitchell321
@mcdowell_is
@RealDanZak
“Let the sporting bodies decide” and “this is a pretend issue” doesn’t answer the question. What should the sporting bodies decide? If you were being honest you’d admit it’s unfair for men to compete against women. But this issue has become so political that you won’t be honest.
@Kohaku_castor
@BLA042021
@Quibilah1
Your criteria are not relevant or applicable here. Every single case of males competing in women's sports (a category designed to exclude the well-documented male performance advantage) is important in its own right, as it documents a breach of ethical sporting conduct.
@NotToday15032
@KnownHeretic
I suspect what's going on here is that you do understand (intuitively and rightfully) that it's absurd and unjust watching some of these obviously male athletes (no DNA test needed) smashing it in women's competitions. After all, as you say, you do support women's rights.
@Coach_Schmitt1
@emitchell321
@mcdowell_is
@RealDanZak
If you have any evidence that She Won is “conservative” (whatever that even means in this context) or if you have any grounds for asserting the data is “dubious” please feel free to share it.
@RB6K
@Gablesgreen134
@BansheesRUs
@hypotaxia17
@Gemma_clark14
@jk_rowling
Hundreds of women (that we know of) have lost out on medals because of the false and radical ideology that men can be women. Feel free to scoff at it, pretend it's not happening, call us hateful bigots, whatever. You'll just look like an ignoramus while you're at it.
@krisfergohio
@PointyLeopard
@hoosiermomlove
@inmyownfashion2
@biologycounts
Men have performance advantages due to male biology. And yes, despite these advantages, an excellent, skilled female athlete can often beat a relatively mediocre male athlete. But, if we didn't have a female-only category, women would disappear from virtually all elite sports.
@hollybots24
@anne_joseypye
@Seeker66173291
@TatumT_WG
@Perlican3
@sharrond62
You keep asking this question as if you're making a clever point, but it just shows poor reasoning skills. The fact that few male athletes have competed in women's events at the Olympics (so far) does not disprove the overwhelming scientific consensus on male sporting advantage.
@Coach_Schmitt1
@emitchell321
@mcdowell_is
@RealDanZak
Oh no, I guess I'll never know whether "Coach Schmitt" really thinks it's fair for men to compete in women's sports, or whether he's taken an untenable position due to his political leanings and must therefore perpetually dodge the question.
@Kohaku_castor
@BLA042021
@Quibilah1
Again, you're misunderstanding how and when statistical significance is used in data analysis. It's not relevant how often it occurs relative to all sporting events ever. We're demonstrating that it does occur, and saying that when it occurs, it's wrong.
@RB6K
@Gablesgreen134
@BansheesRUs
@hypotaxia17
@Gemma_clark14
@jk_rowling
What’s embarrassing is that you think there’s such a thing as a male woman.
And even if we were to grant you this absurdity, the female category in sports exists to exclude male people, because of the extremely well documented and well understood *male* sporting advantage.
You
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
"People who dope are not some existential threat to sports. Dopers come in all shapes and sizes just like athletes who don't dope. Some dopers might win, others not. Therefore, we should accept dopers into sports."
@Kohaku_castor
@BLA042021
@Quibilah1
Our analysis does not need to address how frequently it occurs as a percent of total competitions, because that is not a relevant question. Any occurrence, no matter how rare, is a violation of sportsmanship and ethics, which is the critical point that you aren't addressing.
@lucy_thevegan
@Ajaygee71
A slippery slope fallacy occurs when an argument suggests that a small first step will inevitably lead to a chain of related, negative events, without providing evidence to support that inevitability. But Al *has* provided evidence - that the number of men claiming a female
@CaraPac46808618
@kinjones29
@cathydevine56
@mPinoe
The recent paper below refers to numerous scientific studies that demonstrate:
1. The extent of male performance advantage, and
2. That this performance advantage is not sufficiently negated by taking hormones
Reference:
@lucy_thevegan
@LeorSapir
The sex category in sports is designed to exclude male sporting advantage, thus anyone who is male should be excluded. If a height category existed in any sport, then I would support enforcing that category and not allowing tall people to self-identify into it.
@CoachBobier
@pattif21
@qb_eagles
@Martina
@kimobra
@jemelehill
@LurieFavors
I understand English perfectly. You're just asserting things without providing any arguments for them. Why does sex not matter in youth or amateur sports? The only answers you seem to be capable of are "Because I said so" and "You're a bigot". Weak. Pathetic.
@Coach_Schmitt1
@emitchell321
@mcdowell_is
@RealDanZak
I suspect even when we finish linking to *all* the sources, instead of just a few hundred of them, you’ll find other reasons to dismiss the site. Do you think it’s fine that male athletes are competing in women’s sports or do you think it’s unfair?
@CaraPac46808618
@kinjones29
@cathydevine56
@mPinoe
You’re like the sad sack who said that since no man has won gold in a women’s Olympics event, we’re all just scaremongering. You’ve been provided a list of 100s of injustices, which you refuse to acknowledge, and you think your question makes a cogent point, which it does not.
@MalcolmSheppard
@SCMacNeil
@CarilynJohnson
@VeronikaSimms
You objected to Carilyn's post above:
Each of her 4 claims can be backed up with extensive evidence. But it's clear now that if we provide said evidence you'll just accuse us of hate and stalking.
@VeronikaSimms
Not true.
First, TRAs claimed men were being excluded by not being able to compete in the women’s category. Open categories were created. They refused to participate in them.
Second, they claimed it was just a few men who were beating women, so what was the harm?
@shewon_org
@krisfergohio
@inmyownfashion2
@PointyLeopard
@hoosiermomlove
@biologycounts
Female athletes playing "up" in male sports is accepted because women have no sex-based advantage. Male athletes playing "down" in female sports is considered dishonorable.
Just like a lightweight can choose to compete in the heavyweight division but not vice versa.
@lucy_thevegan
@DaraMorefield
@LeorSapir
The denominator is not relevant to the argument, as has been explained to you multiple times. Drawing the conclusion that "men don't have an advantage over women because they do not always win" is a fallacy.
@PisseArtiste
@better_in_dubly
@TraceyKent
@ShaneMackenzie_
We’ve demonstrated that a small number of male athletes can disrupt the integrity of the entire women‘s category. As female athletes it does affect our lives. You have provided no facts or evidence of any kind, probably because you’re an incoherent, insufferable fool.
We vet user-submitted info before publishing and are gradually adding primary and secondary sources so that you can see them for yourself, even if you're willfully determined not to believe them.
@babybeginner
@phileriksennz
This is obviously not a reliable source by any standards. Data gathered by user submitted info as they do on the site is anecdotal at best. Considering 0.35% of the population indentify as trans your numbers can’t be right.
@Coach_Schmitt1
@emitchell321
@mcdowell_is
@RealDanZak
The site has hundreds of links to corroborating news articles and ranking data published by sporting orgs. We obviously don’t let random strangers publish on the site, though we do accept tips that we follow up on and verify.