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@thenation
Pointing out the fact that Thomas had an unfair advantage is not transphobic.
Sure, there was hatred and transphobia targeting her as a result of her success. But those that understand competitive swimming easily recognized her unfair advantage
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@AlexBouch9
@Riley_Gaines_
Did Thomas thank the NCAA for allowing her to compete with an unfair advantage?
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@Berni_carpenter
@cboula91
Ledecky didn’t go through male puberty so she doesn’t have an unfair advantage
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@rwoodall55
@MilitusAeturnum
@espn
An athlete can have an unfair advantage without dominating. For example: athletes who use steroids don’t always dominate or set records, yet we don’t excuse them.
Thomas didn’t qualify for the men’s NCAA championships, then won the women’s NCAA championship and earned 3x AllAm
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@RealistIdealis3
@somescience1
@Scienceofsport
@anointedpoet101
@TJ_the_Oculist
@colwight
@hemantmehta
Allow me to bring up Lia Thomas’ pre- and post-transition NCAA rankings:
65th to 1st in the 500y free.
467th to 3rd in the 200y free.
Unranked to 13th in the 100y free.
Notice anything?
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@Katja_Thieme
No, they had the exact same time down to the hundredth of a second. Swimming doesn’t measure to the thousandth of a second like track does.
They opted to give the award to Thomas for unspecified reasons.
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@Berni_carpenter
@Sationhund
@cboula91
Wow you’ve been wildly mislead.
She placed second at the Ivy League championships in 3 events in 2019 (pre HRT). This is not the same as winning the NCAA championships. Not even close.
She ranked 467th in the men’s 200y free in March 19 before beginning HRT in may 19
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@fasteronfire525
@CountryRyder123
@RubySpacek
@tmsilverman
You’re making that up. The difference is wayyy bigger between men and women
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@ro_bo31
@ada_lluch
“Failed swimming career” aka SEC champion and NCAA all American. You clearly know nothing about competitive swimming.
Thomas had a proven unfair advantage
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@PiperSkalka
@carsonchristen
@VeganMuppet
@SamMancuso4
@Riley_Gaines_
@UW
You’re deeply misinformed. Thomas won the women’s 2022 D1 NCAA national championships in the 500y free. That means she was the best in the nation that year.
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@CJMurrumbeena
@Fweedom5
@CNN
Thomas went from 467th in the men’s NCAA 200y free to 5th in the women’s 200.
467th —-> 5th seems pretty unfair to anyone who isn’t biased
Was also ranked
#1
in the NCAA 500y in 2022.
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@atalanta44
@IainChalmers3
@LukeMCrofts
@F43727644
@KirstiMiller30
@Ecgberht4
@SwipeWright
This article is pure TRA propaganda.
I debunk it in this thread
@ChilledOnPluto
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@Angie2021_
@zeydcarey
@libsoftiktok
1. The article discusses how HRT changes a trans women’s body, but doesn’t actually cite any evidence. They reference USA Swimming and NCAA regulations that have since been made more strict and would have barred Thomas from competition had they been in place in 2022.
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@RachelSagirl
@AriDrennen
Swimmers understand how absurd the Thomas situation was.
467th —> 3rd in the 200y free? Get real
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@OhNoItsCorso
@laurieinri
@Riley_Gaines_
@mmfa
Guess what Thomas was ranked in the men’s category of this event (D1 NCAA 200y free)? I’ll tell you: 467th.
In what world is 467th —> 5th fair?
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@aldestrawk
@AriDrennen
Thomas ranked 467th in the men’s D1 NCAA 200y free in March 2019 (before beginning HRT on May 2019). She ranked 3rd in the women’s category of that event in March 2022.
467th —> 3rd = unfair
Also, overall rankings don’t mean much in swimming, esp for a specialist like Thomas
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@Katja_Thieme
That’s because it doesn’t exist. Thomas and Gaines tied down to the hundredth of a second. Swimming doesn’t measure anything beyond that.
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@SportsWhizKid
@samponder
You’re confused. An athlete can have an unfair advantage without dominating. Take athletes who use steroids for example…they don’t always win and yet we still deem them unfair.
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@ValkStrategy
@Esqueer_
If the NCAA didn’t allow Thomas to compete with an unfair advantage, she wouldn’t be NCAA champion
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@RIP_Harambo
@gkarnes2
@TheChiefNerd
“Participation ribbon” aka D1 NCAA all American status.
You know nothing
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@matunos
@oliveourviews
In the men’s division in this event (200y free) Thomas was ranked 467th. Male puberty allowed her to cruise from 467th to 5th. See how it works?
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@becca_begotten
@WEschenbach
@_FlutterGirl
@AynRandCultist
@CarilynJohnson
You’re delusional. She is biologically a male. HRT doesn’t magically turn you into a female.
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@scib0rg
@LibertyFirst7
@SwipeWright
This is propaganda. Here’s a comprehensive article from an actual swimming publication
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@ChilledOnPluto
@CoyoteByThePool
@Angie2021_
@zeydcarey
@libsoftiktok
1. The article discusses how HRT changes a trans women’s body, but doesn’t actually cite any evidence. They reference USA Swimming and NCAA regulations that have since been made more strict and would have barred Thomas from competition had they been in place in 2022.
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@pepperedchef
@fem_mb
@salltweets
@awakeinsouth
@capitalismflop
@theserfstv
No because all of Phelps’ competitors had a chance to receive similar genetic gifts. 0% of Thomas’ cis female competitors had the chance to go through male puberty so that is an unfair advantage
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@becca_begotten
@WEschenbach
@_FlutterGirl
@AynRandCultist
@CarilynJohnson
It does not. Please cite the scientific study that supports your claims. None exist
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@Scienceofsport
@mamelsberg
@anointedpoet101
@TJ_the_Oculist
@colwight
@hemantmehta
They’re clearly trolling at this point. It’s sad that this person, who seems to be struggling with mental issues, has been brainwashed by gender ideologues and is willing to spread misinformation to try and perpetuate the ideology.
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@keithlaw
@JackSlipperyEel
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@TheBirdWords
@nrarmour
Judge has an advantage, but it isn’t unfair because anyone else could have received those same genetic gifts.
0% of Thomas’ cis female competitors could have received all the advantages that accompany male puberty, so that is unfair. See the difference?
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@TTGenderqueer
Thomas actually no longer meets the NCAA requirements regarding trans women. They made them much more strict immediately following her unfair inclusion at the 2022 NCAA championships.
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1. How is the officer supposed to know the person is a child based on that 5 second interaction?
2. The officer yells “get back! Get back or you’re going to get shot” and the child still rushes the officer
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@Catoid42
@HawleyMO
@Riley_Gaines_
She shouldn’t have been allowed to compete in the women’s category with the unfair advantage of having gone through male puberty
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@Socialist616
@JustMisogyny
I didn’t claim I was refuting your statement. Simply pointing out the fact that she’s a male and had the unfair advantage of male puberty
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@mjcavallone
@AriDrennen
@abughazalehkat
@alyssatirrell
Thomas is the beneficiary of an unfair advantage due to male puberty
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@tinycans
Literally the first words of this quote are “even though she was upset at the situation”
You’re doing mental gymnastics
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@aldestrawk
@AriDrennen
Thomas ranked 467th in the men’s D1 NCAA 200y free in March 2019 (before beginning HRT on May 2019). She ranked 3rd in the women’s category of that event in March 2022.
467th —> 3rd = unfair
Also, overall rankings don’t mean much in swimming, esp for a specialist like Thomas
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@dire_thorn
@ValkStrategy
@Esqueer_
The same argument can be made for Thomas with respect to the NCAA.
Her unprecedented success in the women’s category is due to the NCAA allowing her to compete with an unfair advantage
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@atalanta44
@IainChalmers3
@LukeMCrofts
@F43727644
@KirstiMiller30
@Ecgberht4
@SwipeWright
The NCAA recognized their mistake with Lia Thomas and implemented stricter policy
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@PiperSkalka
@carsonchristen
@VeganMuppet
@SamMancuso4
@Riley_Gaines_
@UW
You also cited an article that referenced a scientific review, not a study. Do you understand the difference? The authors of that review don’t present any new data that supports their position. They only critique dozens of studies that support the opposite stance.
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@ErinInTheMorn
Gaines was 5th in the entire women’s D1 NCAA. That earns her all American status.
5/6100 athletes…pretty darn close to the top.
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@LolsysL
Yes, it did. Cis women who competed fairly lost out on first team/honorable mention all American or even qualifying for the Championships because of Thomas
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@tlz1956
@OnlyfansisOP
@GeorgeTakei
She’s still correctly pointing out that Thomas had an unfair advantage
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@atalanta44
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@talentedfergal
@KatyMontgomerie
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There’s a massive difference between being ranked 2nd (not 6th) in the Ivy League and being ranked
#1
in the NCAA. Thomas had a proven unfair advantage.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with that doesn’t understand competitive swimming
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@FloHamma
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@DrFletchington
@POTUS
This is false. Thomas was not ranked top 8 in the NCAA in any NCAA championship event before starting HRT.
Thomas was ranked 467th in the NCAA 200 free before starting HRT and then placed 5th at the 2022 women’s NCAA championships. No NCAA swimmer has ever improved at that rate
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@becca_begotten
@WEschenbach
@_FlutterGirl
@AynRandCultist
@CarilynJohnson
This study doesn’t indicate HRT turns a male into a female, as you’ve claimed. Nor does it show HRT can completely negate the athletic advantages of male puberty.
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@JackSlipperyEel
@hodgesmedia10
@MathewCarson11
@keithlaw
@TheBirdWords
@nrarmour
No one is suggesting Thomas transitioned to win. This is a strawman.
We’re stating Thomas had an unfair advantage in the women’s category.
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@aldestrawk
@AriDrennen
That only further exemplifies her unfair advantage. Lifelong distance swimmer turned D1 All American sprinter over the course of 3 years.
Doesn’t look much better when we look at the 500y free: 65th —> 1st
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@StuntLoverAudio
@russianbot21232
@rebelscum5
@TomCokeIsABlunt
@EmmaVigeland
So what? Thomas still had an unfair advantage in 2022
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@tortillachippin
@ClawOLiv
@coobsoob
@NicoleeO12
@LeahWhiston
@LGBwiththeT
Thomas stole opportunities from those who placed lower than her or didn’t even qualify (because Thomas was included) for the NCAA championships. This is because Thomas had an unfair advantage (male puberty)
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@YoungLordMarx
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@MPofSeptember
@FrankAmbrosio
@HouseOfWuReborn
@EdKrassen
@LuisEAlfaroM
She broke UPenn and Ivy League conference records in the 500y free, 1000, and 1650
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@IndiaWilloughby
@MarkDronet2
@jk_rowling
Ironically, you’re the one attempting to shift the goal posts from “unfair advantage” to “dominating”.
An athlete can have an unfair advantage without dominating. You’d know this if you had a non-tenuous understanding of sport.
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@IndecisiveBirch
@DrVW30
This is wrong. Thomas was 467th in the NCAA men’s 200y free in March 2019 and began HRT in may 2019
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@LordTensenVaps
@bravema2
@KitsuneTheKat
@_HumillaProgres
@SherlockCPH
@autogynephilic
@bird_decoy
You’re referring to her rank in the men’s D1 NCAA 1000y free. What you don’t understand is the 1000y isn’t a D1 men’s NCAA championship event. So elite distance swimmers never compete in it tapered. Meaning that ranking is heavily skewed on Thomas’ favor. Try again
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@mamelsberg
@SethApex
@RealistIdealis3
@somescience1
@Scienceofsport
@anointedpoet101
@TJ_the_Oculist
@colwight
@hemantmehta
So you think Katie Ledecky, who is the winningest women’s swimmer of all time, isn’t really the fastest woman of all time in these events…despite holding the USA Open, American, and NCAA records.
It’s aKsHuALLy Lia Thomas.
Bold take. Absolutely incredible.
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@clovis_ty
@hiimfinly
@BangyTalks
@MsBlaireWhite
This is all blatantly false. Thomas won multiple races before winning the NCAA championship and earning 3x all American status. In the men’s category, she couldn’t even qualify for the NCAA championships
World Aquatics has since implemented stricter regulations
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@Quaker2001
@rockstar0783
@FlationJoe
@truejacksonveep
@outsports
1 athlete competing with unfair advantage like Thomas is 1 too many
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@ChaseGarth159
@PaulaWe08194941
@Bubblebathgirl
@Riley_Gaines_
@seanmdav
1. The notion that she’d subject herself to hate, vitriol, and literally physical attacked from TRAs just for attention is patently absurd.
2. The same argument can be made for Thomas…no one would know her if the NCAA hasn’t allowed her to compete with an unfair advantage
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@GMA
Friendly reminder that Thomas went from 467th in the men’s D1 NCAA 200y free (March 2019) to 3rd in the women’s category of that same event in March 2022.
467th —> 3rd = unfair
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@IndiaWilloughby
@MarkDronet2
@jk_rowling
As usual, you’re either uninformed or being intentionally misleading.
She was ranked 6th in the 1000y free. The 1000 isn’t a men’s D1 NCAA championship event, so elite distance swimmers don’t taper for it. That ranking is heavily skewed in Thomas’ favor.
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@LIDemocrat
@D0m1n8tor
@LeftRightEA
Gaines correctly points out that Thomas had an unfair advantage which led Thomas to win the 500y free at the NCAA championships
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@IndiaWilloughby
@MarkDronet2
@jk_rowling
Are you not an activist for trans rights…?
Again, you’re looking for any excuse you can to avoiding actually debating trans women in athletics. Because you know it’s a losing argument for you and you’re completely uninformed.
Go back to spouting propaganda
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@DavidTreasure9
@Alison6123
@Dr_BellaR
@GeorgeForth
An analysis of her performances pre and post transition shows she improved at an unprecedented rate - indicating she still retained an unfair advantage from male puberty
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@PiperSkalka
@carsonchristen
@VeganMuppet
@SamMancuso4
@Riley_Gaines_
@UW
That’s a list of the best swimmers across the world…taking all events into account.
you clearly don’t know how competitive swimming works.
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@IndiaWilloughby
@MarkDronet2
@jk_rowling
Rather than attempting to refute the arguments I’ve made regarding Thomas’ performances in the men’s category, you baselessly claim I hate trans people in an attempt to deflect away from the real topic at hand.
Even at the top of the TRA hierarchy, you’re still all the same
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@Xyless
@KingofSwanStyle
@ZenyouX
So now that you know that the rankings in the article cited are accurate, do you agree Thomas had an unfair advantage
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@IndiaWilloughby
@MarkDronet2
@jk_rowling
“Sports people” you mean athletes? Your ignorance is showing again.
And no, not all athletes have unfair advantages. They have fair advantages.
Men like Phelps exist on earth. They might not be swimmers, but they exist. Fair
0 cis women have been through male puberty. Unfair
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@ZacharyDColeman
@HazelAppleyard_
This is incorrect. Thomas never ranked
#2
in the entire D1 NCAA in the men’s category. Nowhere close - particularly in any D1 NCAA championship event.
Thomas ranked 467th in the men’s D1 NCAA 200y free in March 2019, prior to beginning HRT in May 2019.
Right perspective
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@windupgemma
@EJ_Roshambo
@BellaRizinti
@SurfandTurf09
@KaskaJessica
@chaossapphicc
@finngalkn
She won a different event (500y free) at the same D1 NCAA championships you’re referring to. Not to mention an athlete doesn’t have to win everything to have an unfair advantage.
You simply don’t understand sport
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@ACMESalesRep
@TheFP
@Riley_Gaines_
The same argument can be made for Thomas with respect to the NCAA. If they didn’t allow Her to compete with an unfair advantage, she wouldn’t be NCAA champion
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@RealistIdealis3
@LacyWhite4Ever
@moe_spaulding
@encyclopath
@NPR_Reports
@penfoldsfiv
@ErinInTheMorn
@JoeBiden
Wow! Another unprecedented achievement by a trans women in sport. But I thought this wasn’t happening?
At least in this case they’re admitting to the unfair advantage…they just don’t care haha
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@TsTempest
@jordanbpeterson
That’s not how swim rankings work…not to mention an athlete can have an unfair advantage without winning everything
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@bloomsoflight
@GriffynTor
@CharmianNeary
If she just wants to swim, then she should have no issue competing in the men’s category where she doesn’t have a proven unfair advantage
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@sctadsen
@WokeMitt
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Thomas and Gaines tied for 5th in the 200y free at the 2022 NCAA championships. Thomas was previously 467th in the men’s category.
Also, Thomas finished 8th in the 100y free. Previously Thomas was ranked 500+. Unfair advantage confirmed
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@RambleCiz
@DavidPa74370185
@MichelleNash45
@HazelAppleyard_
This article is propaganda. Here’s an article from an actual swimming publication.
@SintasSays
@goatpurple1
@donnie_wahlburg
@StacyCaySlays
It doesn’t. You just read the title. It’s propaganda from a publication not known for their competitive swimming expertise.
Here’s an article from a reputable competitive swimming publication that really does look at the data.
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@finderrio
@__twinkbreaker
@ZombieInternet
@SmelimM
@Ficedula_Mortis
@eeesssjjj
A shovel that can be used to batter the officer and take his weapon(s)…
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@atalanta44
@thoucynical_
@KJ_Parker1
@boysvswomen
This is a flat out lie. I’ve corrected you on this before and yet here you are continuing to spread misinformation.
Thomas ranked 467th in the men’s D1 NCAA 200y free in March 2019. Began HRT in May 2019. Then ranked 3rd in the women’s category of that same event.
Unfair
@atalanta44
@enpowwari
@we_are_dr3aming
@jeancampbell11
@talentedfergal
@KatyMontgomerie
@eden1971
@TwisterFilm
There’s a massive difference between being ranked 2nd (not 6th) in the Ivy League and being ranked
#1
in the NCAA. Thomas had a proven unfair advantage.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with that doesn’t understand competitive swimming
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@LacyWhite4Ever
@encyclopath
@moe_spaulding
@DanCamp87
@NPR_Reports
@penfoldsfiv
@ErinInTheMorn
@JoeBiden
It’s not intentional in the slightest. If you go through my tweets, I always use refer to athletes by their last names (unless I’m introducing them for the first time).
You’re just desperate for something to be mad about
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@OldSchoolSciFi
Pointing out the fact that Thomas had an unfair athletic advantage after going through male puberty is not bigotry
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@icbmbliss
@KadenB183
@Frieza_real
@ClaytonCallawa4
@scolerkolo
@RightWingCope
So what? She still had an unfair advantage.
467th —> 5th in the event you’re referring to (D1 NCAA 200y free). Unfair
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@TwoJointsJay
@doctabishi
@Dryssa4
@ZoeBrain8
@Ajaygee71
@KatyMontgomerie
You’re wrong. An athlete can have an unfair advantage without dominating or setting records. For example: we don’t excuse athletes who use steroids simply because they don’t always win.
Male puberty gives TW an unfair advantage because cis women cannot obtain male puberty
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@becca_begotten
@WEschenbach
@_FlutterGirl
@AynRandCultist
@CarilynJohnson
Wrong yet again as she broke and still holds multiple Ivy League and UPenn records
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@Cringeycute
Thomas was mediocre in the men’s category compared to her success in the women’s category. Never even qualified for the men’s NCAA championships and then went on to win an event at the women’s NCAA championships and earned 3x all American status
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@pepperedchef
@fem_mb
@salltweets
@awakeinsouth
@capitalismflop
@theserfstv
This doesn’t actually look at the numbers. Just says: she isn’t the fastest of all time. Which is flawed logic because an athlete can have an unfair advantage without being the best ever.
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@AusSkeptic
@wrenske
@DrMariekedOuden
@CarilynJohnson
@ACLU
@nwlc
You’re confusing Ivy League rankings with National rankings. Huge difference
467th in the men’s D1 NCAA 200y free to 3rd in the women’s.
467th —> 3rd= unfair
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@2020sThings
@ErinInTheMorn
Gaines would have scored more points if Thomas wasn’t unfairly included
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