Generalist specialist that learns under the generalist medical model at medical school to become a specialist generalist medical model specialist surgeon thing.
NHS Trusts belittling their own junior doctors because of their rotational training.
What a disgusting way to replace your doctors because of a rotational training system created by yourselves.
Dear Public: This is the training required by doctors to become a paediatric consultant.
This does not include:
1. Medical school (4-5 years)
2. Foundation training (2 years)
The PA course is 2 years and then they throw themselves into 'the deep end'.
Truly inspiring coffee and chat with our new cohort of physicians associates yesterday
@SalisburyNHS
learning about their world and the opportunities this new professional group brings for our services
@Jenny19712201
@DrAnimeshSingh
There’s all sorts of non doctors and inexperienced resident doctors and students working in all areas of healthcare. I think most patients recognise that.
Physician Associate training is not a minimum of 4 years
@NHS_WCA
. The PA course is 2 years.
Cancer patients should not be part of a falsely advertised and misleading project.
How could you fund 9 PAs to be part of this project but you can’t fund trainees?
Why are consultants ‘fighting’ for a PA over a core trainee doctor?
Is psychiatry not competitive anymore?
@rcpsych
@rcpsychTrainees
what do you think?
This is scandalous.
Clinical Lead of ED has concluded that PAs are the solution after looking at alternatives such as doctors and ANPs
Source: Health Education England
We are proud of our team of physician associates and the critical work they do to support our doctors and nurses and provide continuity of care to patients. A Physician Associate is a generalist healthcare specialist trained to a medical model. Learn more:
Physician Associates are the first point of call for your loved ones suspected cancer referrals.
If you have suspected cancer, do you want to be seen by a cancer specialist doctor or a PA?
Are you aware of who you are seeing?
Just more doctors feeding into the false narrative that there is a ‘need’ for PAs.
Why do PAs need to assist in ‘complex surgeries’ when we have unemployed surgical plastics doctors?
I'm a PGY6 doctor and I can't land a plastics job. Extremely positive interview feedback but outcompeted due to 200+ applicants per post
If we're short on surgeons why am I having to fight so hard to do the job I love. Could I live my dream without the title?
Exciting opportunity for a PA to work with Wessex Cancer Alliance on a 12mth project aiming to: support and develop the PA role within cancer services in secondary care across Wessex, to expedite the diagnostic and treatment pathways for people with suspected cancer.’
@NHS_WCA
Physician Associates are now eligible to apply for our Clinical Endoscopist Training programme. Find out more about the programme and how to apply on our website 👉
@BlackpoolHosp
@UCLan
openly advertising a consultant that wants those with the skills, not the medical degree to work as SHO grade doctors.
Does this stance still stand? If so, should fee paying medical students
@UCLan
be made aware?
Physician Associates in Radiology:
💊Offer a wide range of additional skill sets
💊Help mitigate the workforce shortage
💊Improve patient safety
@RCRadiologists
do you agree?
This is extremely alarming.
‘Physician’ is a protected title. This is misleading and it needs to be investigated. Please share to raise awareness for patients.
A physician associate is NOT a physician.
@Ask_foradoctor
I am an Anaesthetic Nurse and I find this extremely concerning and downright scary. I would not want an Anaesthetic PA looking after me whist I was my most vulnerable
.
General surgery physician associate
@CHFTNHS
openly admitting that:
🥇They run upper GI cancer clinics traditionally ran by registrars and consultants (doctors)
🥈PAs can do the job of a doctor (according to their consultant)
Glad to hear there are no conflicts of interests.
@JooYoungChun2
please could you tell me the additional skill sets that your PA delivers that a doctor could not provide?
@iDrSunny
Hi Sandeep. Unfortunately this reply on our Facebook messenger service isn’t correct. We don’t describe PAs as 'studying medicine' and we're sorry for the confusion this has caused. We have information about what's involved in the education and training of PAs on our website
The only difference between a PA and a doctor is prescribing and ordering ionising radiation rights.
Once regulated this will change.
If you want to practise medicine, do the PA course.
Shameless.
We have an answer from the GMC
According to them, PAs study medicine, just not the same as a doctor who studies it for 5 years.
Whats different? The time and the content.
Here we have a PA admitting that they throw themselves in the deep end with their lack of training.
Paediatrics is not an experiment and neonates should not suffer the consequences for the lack of training.
I’ve been shouting from the rooftops to try to prevent this .
@DOckendenLtd
has been working hard to find information on how PAs are being used in maternity .
Now neonates are being injured by PAs.
It was bound to happen
@wesstreeting
Wow. A consultant gastroenterologist disagrees that PAs need to have a limit in their scope and all whilst not accepting their own trade unions safe scope of safe practise for PAs.
The same consultant is the trusts PA advocate.
I wonder what resident doctors think of this?
Dear Patients
@BTHFT
,
Those skin cancer clinics that you and your loved ones have been waiting for are not ran by medically qualified doctors.
The only people that should be diagnosing skin cancer at a skin cancer clinic are Physician Dermatologist’s.
Hi
@RCSnews
Why are you promoting courses aimed at non-surgeons performing laparoscopic surgery?
Have you ever proposed to yourself that you may be part of the problem as to why non-surgeons are performing major abdominal surgeries and limb amputations?
According to
@RCSnews
eligibility to become a surgical first assistant includes :
1. Registration with a governing body
2. 12 months post registration experience
*This rule doesn’t apply for physician associates, only nurses and other other ACPs*
@RCSnews
care to comment?
Physicians associates on general surgery
@TheCountessNHS
are:
1. Covering SHO shifts
2. Frequently attend theatre
3.Have been to medical school?
3. Senior members that lead ward rounds
4. Starting endoscopy and other general surgery clinics
@RCSnews
enough is enough
@TheBMA
This
#PAweek
we are celebrating our fantastic physician associates.
Physician associates are medically trained, generalist healthcare professionals, who work alongside doctors and provide medical care as an integral part of the multidisciplinary team.
According to this article, there is a need for PAs in plastics, to help out with things such as complex surgeries. What do surgical trainees think of this?
I would prefer to not have a PA ‘self train’ in performing complex plastic surgery in GOSH, neurosurgery or major abdominal surgery on my loved ones.
Would you want your children or family being used as an experiment for a physicians associate to ‘self train’?
@trentconsultant
I’m going to say it again. Once PA’s reach critical mass they will self train. Setting scope of practice will only delay this. We need to take direct action to stop further training (but look after those in post). PA’s = physician assistants is what’s needed not replacement.
Mr
@jonathan_ghosh
I see that you are a vascular consultant
@MFTnhs
. Please could you explain how allowing a PA to assist in major surgical cases including amputations is not taking training opportunities away from surgical trainees? Thank you.
@RCSnews
@iDrSunny
@gmcuk
You are just asserting stuff. Again. Essentially making it up. They will have to take the same irmer training as medics do. So why claim they will be worse?
@KatPaton13
You are in a privileged position earning 32k. You shouldn’t be saying £45 a night for hospital accommodation is terrible because people get by on far less.
@JebbettJibbitt
The title ‘Physician’ is protected in law under the Medical Act 1983 to describe a fully qualified and registered doctor.
NHS Eng should not be endorsing such propaganda.
@iDrSunny
@uhbtrust
@MAPopplewell
I see you are a consultant at this trust. I appreciate you might not be directly involved with any of this, but could you please look into this?
Kind Regards
A worried patient.
@GMCharlatan
@TheBMA
I am concerned for the welfare of the medical students
@UCLan
. There needs to be an investigation into their training and issues with bluring lines.
Apparently there are a shortage of oncology doctors, therefore East Sussex and Wessex hospitals have decided to hire physicians associates to see cancer patients instead?
They want PAs to hold their own prostate and breast cancer clinics.
Make it make sense.
Here is a snippet of a a medical undergraduate degree.
Nowhere does it say medical model.
Most of it is about patient centred care.
Refreshing watching after seeing so many NHS propaganda videos.
Great to represent
@CHFTNHS
at the 3rd Y&H Emergency Laparotomy Collaborative-it is so important to share our experiences across the region. Really proud of our surgical Physician Associates for the key role they play in our team
#YHELC
@Improve_Academy
@Wrecky_Rekky
@CHFTNHS
‘The main difference between a doctor and PA is that PAs are classed are generalists’
‘PAs generally stay in the same speciality so they become a specialist in that area’
So the only difference is that you’re a generalist but then you eventually become a specialist ?🧐
I wish people would do their research before trying to debate with us . Honestly🙄
Listen CAREFULLY to what this PA is saying . This is an official NHS video . They wouldn’t authorise it unless they believed it to be true .
@iDrSunny
@chrisuff
@gsmckenna
Hello, I see you are both neurosurgeons at The Royal London. Is it true that your neurosurgery PA is the level of an SHO doctor? Are they prescribing and ordering CT scans?