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Generalist specialist that learns under the generalist medical model at medical school to become a specialist generalist medical model specialist surgeon thing.
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NHS Trusts belittling their own junior doctors because of their rotational training.
What a disgusting way to replace your doctors because of a rotational training system created by yourselves.
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Dear Public: This is the training required by doctors to become a paediatric consultant.
This does not include:
1. Medical school (4-5 years)
2. Foundation training (2 years)
The PA course is 2 years and then they throw themselves into 'the deep end'.
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Care to share what they bring to our services that a doctor couldn’t bring?
Truly inspiring coffee and chat with our new cohort of physicians associates yesterday
@SalisburyNHS
learning about their world and the opportunities this new professional group brings for our services
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I am genuinely flabbergasted that a consultant cardiologist is calling a physician associate an arrhythmia specialist.
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@medicalmodelbri
@DOckendenLtd
@wesstreeting
Neonates are not an experiment for your lack of paediatric training.
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If doctors are ‘inexperienced’ after a medical degree, then what are PAs?
@Jenny19712201
@DrAnimeshSingh
There’s all sorts of non doctors and inexperienced resident doctors and students working in all areas of healthcare. I think most patients recognise that.
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I have never understood why there is a need for PAs when we have ANPs.
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Physician Associate training is not a minimum of 4 years
@NHS_WCA
. The PA course is 2 years.
Cancer patients should not be part of a falsely advertised and misleading project.
How could you fund 9 PAs to be part of this project but you can’t fund trainees?
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Why are consultants ‘fighting’ for a PA over a core trainee doctor?
Is psychiatry not competitive anymore?
@rcpsych
@rcpsychTrainees
what do you think?
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Thankfully there are no bottlenecks into Radiology training at the moment and there is no need for basic anatomical knowledge.
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How can a PA discriminate between normal and abnormal findings with a 2 year masters course that contains minimal orthopaedic training?
@ROHNHSFT
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Physician associates get paid more than speciality registrar surgeons.
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This is scandalous.
Clinical Lead of ED has concluded that PAs are the solution after looking at alternatives such as doctors and ANPs
Source: Health Education England
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Fancy being paid more than a doctor to teach medical students that have more experience than yourself?
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Physician Associates in Cardiothoracic Surgery.
Competition ratio was only 27.1 this year. Could be worse?
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'Physician Associates are generalist healthcare SPECIALISTS'
This has GOT to be a joke.
We are proud of our team of physician associates and the critical work they do to support our doctors and nurses and provide continuity of care to patients. A Physician Associate is a generalist healthcare specialist trained to a medical model. Learn more:
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Physician Associates are the first point of call for your loved ones suspected cancer referrals.
If you have suspected cancer, do you want to be seen by a cancer specialist doctor or a PA?
Are you aware of who you are seeing?
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Just more doctors feeding into the false narrative that there is a ‘need’ for PAs.
Why do PAs need to assist in ‘complex surgeries’ when we have unemployed surgical plastics doctors?
I'm a PGY6 doctor and I can't land a plastics job. Extremely positive interview feedback but outcompeted due to 200+ applicants per post
If we're short on surgeons why am I having to fight so hard to do the job I love. Could I live my dream without the title?
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Why are cancer specialist doctors not seeing cancer patients? What world do we live in.
Exciting opportunity for a PA to work with Wessex Cancer Alliance on a 12mth project aiming to: support and develop the PA role within cancer services in secondary care across Wessex, to expedite the diagnostic and treatment pathways for people with suspected cancer.’
@NHS_WCA
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This country is a mess.
Physician Associates are now eligible to apply for our Clinical Endoscopist Training programme. Find out more about the programme and how to apply on our website 👉
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A doctor (‘Trust lead’)
@SuperSouthmead
replacing registrar grade doctors with PAs.
@medicalmodelbri
@NHSE_WTE
@parthaskar
@TheBMA
@RobLaurensonD4P
It’s almost as if they know they’re wrong for replacing doctors with PAs? 🤔
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Ophthalmology and interventional radiology aren’t competitive right?
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Physicians Associates and qualified doctors now compete to become clinical teaching fellows?
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Physicians associate at a GP practise is a specialist in Gastroenterology.
Credits: NHS England YouTube channel.
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💊Physician Associates will be GMC regulated by the 13th December💊
(According to this PA Student that attended a meeting with the
@gmcuk
yesterday)
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@BlackpoolHosp
@UCLan
openly advertising a consultant that wants those with the skills, not the medical degree to work as SHO grade doctors.
Does this stance still stand? If so, should fee paying medical students
@UCLan
be made aware?
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Tell me your replacing doctors without telling me your replacing doctors
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Physician Associates in Radiology:
💊Offer a wide range of additional skill sets
💊Help mitigate the workforce shortage
💊Improve patient safety
@RCRadiologists
do you agree?
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@medicalmodelbri
@HullHospitals
@tiktok_uk
Shocking. They have been called out on this before I believe, yet they leave the video up. What does this say about their training?
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Fancy doing a surgical internship?
Requirements
1. Attempt to apply the ‘medical model’ to complex surgical patients
2. Postgraduate ‘quali-ficaton’ (non-essential)
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@iDrSunny
@zx_sci_john
Video still up. Alongside other videos of them trying to set standards of PAs.
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This is extremely alarming.
‘Physician’ is a protected title. This is misleading and it needs to be investigated. Please share to raise awareness for patients.
A physician associate is NOT a physician.
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Have you lost your minds?
@RCSnews
@TMitchellFRCS
@Ask_foradoctor
I am an Anaesthetic Nurse and I find this extremely concerning and downright scary. I would not want an Anaesthetic PA looking after me whist I was my most vulnerable
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General surgery physician associate
@CHFTNHS
openly admitting that:
🥇They run upper GI cancer clinics traditionally ran by registrars and consultants (doctors)
🥈PAs can do the job of a doctor (according to their consultant)
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Very confusing indeed Colin. Not the first nor the last of these I expect.
See you in court.
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Glad to hear there are no conflicts of interests.
@JooYoungChun2
please could you tell me the additional skill sets that your PA delivers that a doctor could not provide?
@Gastrografin1
@RCRadiologists
This PA’s mother, coincidently , is a consultant interventional radiologist.
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Our resident doctors can’t find jobs and we have consultants advocating for PAs instead? Make it makes sense. Oh yes 💰💰💰🤑🤑
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Do you not think
@UCLan
grouping physician associates and future doctors under the medicine course is misleading?
@gmcuk
@iDrSunny
Hi Sandeep. Unfortunately this reply on our Facebook messenger service isn’t correct. We don’t describe PAs as 'studying medicine' and we're sorry for the confusion this has caused. We have information about what's involved in the education and training of PAs on our website
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@iDrSunny
They use their ‘limited paediatric training’ as a way to throw themselves in the deep end with neonates. Shocking.
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The only difference between a PA and a doctor is prescribing and ordering ionising radiation rights.
Once regulated this will change.
If you want to practise medicine, do the PA course.
Shameless.
We have an answer from the GMC
According to them, PAs study medicine, just not the same as a doctor who studies it for 5 years.
Whats different? The time and the content.
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Dr Akbar, surely you would have to think PAs are hero’s given that you are a NHS PA representative?
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Neurosurgeons don't want to be paid to do research right?
I would love to know what the scope of practise for your neurosurgery PA will be
@uhbtrust
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@natalieben
Please could someone inform the surgeons that this student has also uploaded these photos.
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Here we have a PA admitting that they throw themselves in the deep end with their lack of training.
Paediatrics is not an experiment and neonates should not suffer the consequences for the lack of training.
I’ve been shouting from the rooftops to try to prevent this .
@DOckendenLtd
has been working hard to find information on how PAs are being used in maternity .
Now neonates are being injured by PAs.
It was bound to happen
@wesstreeting
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I wonder if this doctor still stands with the stance that PAs are not replacing junior doctors and that their numbers should increase?
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@chriscraigCCC
Hang on a minute, does that mean we study PA studies? can we illegally cover their rota?
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Please could you tell us what this meeting was about and who was in it (besides PA students)?
@gmcuk
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@ClareGerada
don’t you think JDS are being used as scapegoats because of their rotational training ?
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Wow. A consultant gastroenterologist disagrees that PAs need to have a limit in their scope and all whilst not accepting their own trade unions safe scope of safe practise for PAs.
The same consultant is the trusts PA advocate.
I wonder what resident doctors think of this?
Physicians associate at a GP practise is a specialist in Gastroenterology.
Credits: NHS England YouTube channel.
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@ExplosiveEnema2
@Xeon4f145d96s1
@Dr_Done_
@medicalmodelbri
@Ask_foradoctor
@parthaskar
@iDrSunny
secret meeting?
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Doctors do not want to do IR
Introducing two special members of our team! Helen Bucknall is our first IR advanced practitioner and Lottie Lewis is the UK's very first IR physician associate. We're privileged to have them both!
@StGeorgesTrust
@StgRadiology
@PPaauk
@SCoRMembers
@cirsesociety
@SIRspecialists
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Dear Patients
@BTHFT
,
Those skin cancer clinics that you and your loved ones have been waiting for are not ran by medically qualified doctors.
The only people that should be diagnosing skin cancer at a skin cancer clinic are Physician Dermatologist’s.
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@mstotty88
@sayemud81844172
@marinadpol
@c3convertase
What people do with their money has nothing to do with you.
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Hi
@RCSnews
Why are you promoting courses aimed at non-surgeons performing laparoscopic surgery?
Have you ever proposed to yourself that you may be part of the problem as to why non-surgeons are performing major abdominal surgeries and limb amputations?
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@aashfaque14
@HarrettFfion
@robbowers12
Massive propaganda.
@TheBMA
this trust needs to be investigated.
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Please could someone care to explain what a surgical internship is and why one does not require a ‘qual-fication’ to partake?
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@DrNeilGuptaIR
@marklittle_IR
@RBNHSFT
@nhsuhcw
This is very useful information. Thank you for supporting your doctors!
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Physicians associates on general surgery
@TheCountessNHS
are:
1. Covering SHO shifts
2. Frequently attend theatre
3.Have been to medical school?
3. Senior members that lead ward rounds
4. Starting endoscopy and other general surgery clinics
@RCSnews
enough is enough
@TheBMA
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Physician associates are medically trained professionals.
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According to this article, there is a need for PAs in plastics, to help out with things such as complex surgeries. What do surgical trainees think of this?
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I would prefer to not have a PA ‘self train’ in performing complex plastic surgery in GOSH, neurosurgery or major abdominal surgery on my loved ones.
Would you want your children or family being used as an experiment for a physicians associate to ‘self train’?
@trentconsultant
I’m going to say it again. Once PA’s reach critical mass they will self train. Setting scope of practice will only delay this. We need to take direct action to stop further training (but look after those in post). PA’s = physician assistants is what’s needed not replacement.
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Mr
@jonathan_ghosh
I see that you are a vascular consultant
@MFTnhs
. Please could you explain how allowing a PA to assist in major surgical cases including amputations is not taking training opportunities away from surgical trainees? Thank you.
@RCSnews
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@drcolinm
@parthaskar
@doctor_oxford
@ollieburtonmed
@TheBMA
@BMA_JuniorDocs
@mmamas1973
@DrLKVaughan
@UKGastroDr
@DrAsifQasim
Can you see why these sorts of statements are now confusing?
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@KatPaton13
You are in a privileged position earning 32k. You shouldn’t be saying £45 a night for hospital accommodation is terrible because people get by on far less.
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@JebbettJibbitt
The title ‘Physician’ is protected in law under the Medical Act 1983 to describe a fully qualified and registered doctor.
NHS Eng should not be endorsing such propaganda.
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@iDrSunny
@uhbtrust
@MAPopplewell
I see you are a consultant at this trust. I appreciate you might not be directly involved with any of this, but could you please look into this?
Kind Regards
A worried patient.
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Differences between a PA and Dr
(According to a PA student)
Thoughts?
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@GMCharlatan
@TheBMA
I am concerned for the welfare of the medical students
@UCLan
. There needs to be an investigation into their training and issues with bluring lines.
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Apparently there are a shortage of oncology doctors, therefore East Sussex and Wessex hospitals have decided to hire physicians associates to see cancer patients instead?
They want PAs to hold their own prostate and breast cancer clinics.
Make it make sense.
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Here is a snippet of a a medical undergraduate degree.
Nowhere does it say medical model.
Most of it is about patient centred care.
Refreshing watching after seeing so many NHS propaganda videos.
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Does this include their key role in getting involved in ‘a variety of surgeries, including inguinal hernia repairs and bariatric surgery’?
Great to represent
@CHFTNHS
at the 3rd Y&H Emergency Laparotomy Collaborative-it is so important to share our experiences across the region. Really proud of our surgical Physician Associates for the key role they play in our team
#YHELC
@Improve_Academy
@Wrecky_Rekky
@CHFTNHS
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@JoOgidi
Insta PA space/ PAs calling themselves same level as SHOs/ covering doctors Rotas/ operating on patients etc needs to cease.
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@DrNeilGuptaIR
@marklittle_IR
@RBNHSFT
@nhsuhcw
Thank you for considering a doctor to join IR. Please could we have an update?
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@Rich_Alexander1
@Emilyrm_PA
@stephbennett6
@LiverpoolWomens
@jmharibo
@abirdiebird
@LynnGreenhalgh1
@cjd77uk
@VickyCl33445462
What happens when there is a neonatal emergency and there is a PA instead of a qualified doctor?
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‘The main difference between a doctor and PA is that PAs are classed are generalists’
‘PAs generally stay in the same speciality so they become a specialist in that area’
So the only difference is that you’re a generalist but then you eventually become a specialist ?🧐
I wish people would do their research before trying to debate with us . Honestly🙄
Listen CAREFULLY to what this PA is saying . This is an official NHS video . They wouldn’t authorise it unless they believed it to be true .
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@chriscraigCCC
Apologies, let me correct myself. PAs are now physicians and arrhythmia specialists
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Physicians associate job description from North Bristol NHS Trust
@NorthBristolNHS
Apparently a PA is the equivalent of a ‘junior doctor’
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@iDrSunny
@chrisuff
@gsmckenna
Hello, I see you are both neurosurgeons at The Royal London. Is it true that your neurosurgery PA is the level of an SHO doctor? Are they prescribing and ordering CT scans?
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@medicalmodelbri
This is really upsetting for the patient who has put their trust into the surgical team. No one should be posting this sort of thing.
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