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@fejau_inc
Well said. Would add that beveridge curve is only apparent in hindsight, and that in realtime its very hard to determine where the elbow actually curves.
@BenRabidoux
Thanks Ben, my post wasn't meant to contra you. Just adding some perspective to others in the replies. There's a growing anti public-sector feeling these days in Canada that I believe is mis-placed. Many of these pub jobs are health and education, critical to our future success
@wbmosler
USA automotive sales up 6% y/y
It sounds like she's extrapolating Stellantis sales down 15% y/y and inventory issue which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone paying attention.
Meanwhile GM sales +4%, Ford +10%.
DiMartino Booth has been talking about recession since 2021.......
Econ bear argument now boils down to people aren't desperate enough to file, and somehow that *lack* of desperation is a sign of an impending recession?
Some thoughts on jobless claims:
I think there's a strong possibility that claims are being suppressed vs prior cycles and thus overstating labor market strength. A lot of this is due to efforts by the states themselves since 2009. A few points.
Unemployment insurance used to
When debt/GDP>100%, inflation will gravitate to the weighted average coupon on gov debt.
1% increase in WAC = 1% more money injected into econ, assuming tax revenue and population remain constant.
When debt>GDP, WAC effectively sets the baseline for money creation.
There's a lot of negative framing around the rise in public sector employment.
Much of that growth is in healthcare—a sector where more jobs is a good thing for society.
Gov-led growth remains the thematic driver of today's economy, and that's ok.
"Job Losers as a Percent of Total Unemployment" shows unemployment is rising not because people are getting fired, but because people are *choosing* to leave jobs and the number of job seekers in increasing. Both signs of a normal and growing economy.
@McClellanOsc
@MikeWShell
@mark_ungewitter
@mnkahn
@RyanDetrick
@SethCL
Zweig published ZBT in 1986, presumably optimized on data available to that point.
It's reasonable to assume those threshold parameters have changed after 38 yrs of out of sample data.
If "close enough" doesn't work now, the signal was likely over-optimized in the first place.
@choffstein
1) Everyone is looking at the same *diffusion* indices
2) People automatically associate deflation with recession
3) People not understanding the massive global fiscal intervention from 2020-2021 is still working its way through economies
4) Fiscal dominates Monetary
@nfergus
The historical examples you cite operated currency systems backed by precious metals.
Debt service physically emptied the treasuries of those metals, leaving less for defense spending.
Sovereign issuers of fiat don’t have that problem.
There's a lot of negative framing around the rise in public sector employment.
Much of that growth is in healthcare—a sector where more jobs is a good thing for society.
Gov-led growth remains the thematic driver of today's economy, and that's ok.
What looks like a “recession” is a mid cycle moderation after massive fiscal spend with some demographic change spin on the ball.
Not that hard to figure out folks.
And if you get stuck just remember kalecki levy source of profits ;)
lol, YouTube algorithm is literally telling me "if you made a video called 'WHAT'S COMING IS WORSE THAN A RECESSION' it would go viral"
in case you wonder why there's a vibecession...
Today's rising unemployment rate is driven by shifts in the labor force by immigration, much like the late 1960s and 70s when more women entered the workforce. It's not about job loss—it's about a changing composition of who’s participating.
Retiring Boomers are finally closing a huge number of net unprofitable small businesses, improving productivity and structurally changing *who* is demanding labour (fiscal dominance favours big biz).
At the same time labour force is changing with immigration.
@profplum99
@fleckcap
@mntcreep
@dampedspring
idk. the worst of 9/11 comp was -15%, which is rather commonplace in terms of bad declines.
also, recall 1914 was liquidity issue to pay for war, resolved by selling a gold-backed currency to obtain gold/money. under fiat deficit spend, u get a printing press.
Energy-backed currency is inherently pro-cyclical, restricting supply in downturns, thereby impeding recovery.
Fiat in a trust-based system is designed *for* recovery.
Maybe what we really need is to solve the trust problem and not the currency?
The thermodynamics of industrial capitalism demands energy to keep growing.
But our economy isn't setup to be an energy-producing machine, it’s a money printing machine, money backed by nothing.
Fiat currency and its implications have been a disaster for the human species 🧵
@profplum99
@TgMacro
He's right though.
Nothing like this has every happened before. Everyone's mental model is confined by 1980-2020.
It is a new paradigm to consider, ongoing deficit spend + passive/RE inelasticity = major upside potential.
As claims trend lower, the Fed’s window to justify a rate cut for employment reasons is closing. Soon, they’ll have to acknowledge that the punch bowl of higher rates = spending has fueled the economy—and it’s time to take it away.
"Job Losers as a Percent of Total Unemployment" shows unemployment is rising not because people are getting fired, but because people are *choosing* to leave jobs and the number of job seekers in increasing. Both signs of a normal and growing economy.
Now imagine this employment report gives reason to a Fed pause (or even hike??), which would effectively just keep shoveling money into discretionary spending growth by top two income quintiles.
Unreal.
Philly delivery time index tends to lead inflation.
Yet to see if this is CPI normalizing or if CPI will rise in response.
Hunch is this does not bode well for a rate cut.
However, it does not appear the econ needs a rate cut to maintain healthy growth.
Econ survey data is the Fed's own memes reflecting back upon itself now taken as fact.
It is totally meaningless, delphic babble.
Every recession has always been "two quarters" away.
The real econ is the 6% deficit spend, now being joined by credit growth.
@BickerinBrattle
@Slylust
@wbmosler
In a fixed exchange rate system, there's a limited amount of money available in the system (called reserves). The Fed and others (eg Treasury), compete for these reserves. As everyone is competing for the same pool of money, interest rates are determined by the market.
@fkronawitter1
On background... somewhere there exists a paper concluding Philly's Current Delivery Time is one of the more reliable leading indicators of CPI.
Today's 2023 Consumer Expenditures report shows higher income quintiles account for nearly all the spending growth. Same as ever, no recession until that declines.
Also, how did lowest quint entertainment spend increase so much during a "recession"?
And all the rando anon reddit and X accounts finally get to say they're right? Feels like a long shot to me.
Gov can and will keep printing until morale improves either way. Their tools are not like our tools
Now the question is will Canada see that huge 1975-style lift in real GDP growth as immigrants produce work?
Looks to me like we're on the verge of something great here
@McClellanOsc
Lumber contract is not a great indicator of anything due to serious liquidity issues and a reformulation of the contract a few year ago.
This is a better lumber series tracking the prices that producers receive for goods, rather than the prices consumers pay.
and it's fine.
You won’t understand the source of today’s North American unemployment until you understand the source of Australia’s structurally higher unemployment for decades — immigration.
Real GDP growth the whole way through. Productivity gains as well.
Canada CPI is likely to increase with the rail shutdown as supply chains disrupted.
Whether BoC sees this "inflation" as a reason to pause cuts or continue them remains to be seen....
The thing that's really interesting... is both of these 1985 and 1995 periods saw similar growth rates of initial claims to just-about-recessionary-but-not-quite levels... before declining.
Just like we're seeing today.
If gig work is responsible for the rise in EINs and business formation, then why are gig workers not filing NAICS code under "Transportation and Warehousing"?
Why are business applications growing in nearly every sector but transportation?
These people aren't lining up for "jobs".
They're lining up for skills training at career colleges, with job placement programs.
They need skills before they can work. This is not a recession.
It is an indication of the productivity boom to come once they acquire those skills.
@Andercot
Energy-backed currency is inherently pro-cyclical, restricting supply in downturns, thereby impeding recovery.
Fiat in a trust-based system is designed *for* recovery.
Maybe what we really need is to solve the trust problem and not the currency?
Personally not big on m2 as an indicator on anything but if you were macro bear crying over it in 2021-22 you should be singing praises over it now... and yet crickets
That window 👇 is now closed.
To prevent inflation, Fed will need to acknowledge their current understanding of the stimulative effects of rate policy is flawed and is working in the opposite direction.
That's unlikely to happen, and so off we go into neverland.
As claims trend lower, the Fed’s window to justify a rate cut for employment reasons is closing. Soon, they’ll have to acknowledge that the punch bowl of higher rates = spending has fueled the economy—and it’s time to take it away.
@profplum99
Yes, both entirely reasonable and congruent with historical experience domestic and abroad. Though I disagree with the term "unsustainable" as political meme.
If a fintwit account has over +50k followers, then you can consider it is the retail consensus opinion.
It may sound and feel and espouse to be non-consensus to the consensus, but that's the point.
It is the beauty pageant.
Notice much of the regular seasonality trades aren't working anymore. Presidential cycle too. Opex becoming meaningless.
Market just wants to go up.
My guess is sell Rosh Hashanah buy Yom Kippur won't work either.
The result of fiscal flow + inelastic market.
@McClellanOsc
Further, if you want to look at housing input costs vis-a-vis recession, you might want to reference net inputs to residential construction instead of just lumber.
Again, fine.