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When the fullness of the truth is finally brought to light, I have a feeling we'll be wrestling with this very question about
#mikebickle
, just like Nancy Salzman asked about NXIVM's Keith Raniere.
#ihopkc
@WillCab8
Hence at the end Nancy was so distraught: was the good done so that he could do the evil??
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This is 1000% worth the read.
As we process the Misty story released last night, I believe this is the most helpful framework to approach it. 💔
Thank you, Sarah Markman, for your insight & education.
#ihopkc
#mikebickle
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I have a feeling the dam has just broken open.... 🌊🌊🌊
To every Jane & John Doe who is wrestling with coming forward, you have a massive community ready to stand with you.
The tide has turned.
We believe you.
Time for justice.
#ihopkc
There are many women who are protecting Mike just like Tammy was up until last week. My prayer is that they would know how many people will STAND WITH THEM. When they come forward.
Tammy, thank you for your bravery. May you be the second of many voices in the days to come.
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Now we know that everything
#mikebickle
did in the daylight was purposefully grooming a community to be blinded to what he perpetrated in the darkness.
Thank you to these brave women for taking a stand & advocating for every Jane & John Doe.
#ihopkc
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Kris Vallotton blocked me after this comment.🚫
These are the current "leaders" in the church. What a sham. They love to call out every evil they see in the world except the evil in their own empires built on the backs & bodies & dollars & hrs of those in their own house.
#ihopkc
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😭 To witness the honesty & heartbreak from Allen here... these are the qualities in a healthy response that enable us all to grieve properly.
#ihopkc
Allen Hood emailed Mike Bickle after Mike preached on the Black Horse & Betrayal and told him he looked “more guilty than not” and “for the first time” to Allen “like a cult leader”.
Full video here:
#ihopkc
#mikebickle
#churchtoo
#cult
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From Elizabeth Herder today... 😞
The AG has gone above & beyond acting in patience, goodwill, & generosity. The sad reality is that
#ihopkc
isn't interested in truth, relationship, or justice. It's time to deal with them according to who they are as revealed by their *actions.*
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Still waiting to find out which abuse story was so hilarious that leaders who brought it to Dave Sliker said, "You'll laugh when you hear it."
And
#ihopkc
wonders why they don't have any victims running into their open claws to verify abuse claims.
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"It seems to me that the Holy Spirit is more concerned about divisive people than about molestation." -Dave Sliker
🎯 I think he just about summed up
#ihopkc
beliefs & culture.
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Thank you
@Jedidiahhartley
for this 🎯 response (longer fb post) to Kris Vallotton &
#bethel
.
It really shouldn't take this much social pressure & follow-up to properly deal w this situation, but such are the 🗣 predators... I mean 'leaders' we're dealing with.
#ihopkc
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Bob Hartley: Don't be posting about me abusing all these women or I'll sue you. Also, please join me for some adoration prayer. 🥴
#ihopkc
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Mike Bickle to Sam Storms while watching Jane Doe on the worship team when she first got to KC: "Isn't she cute?! These young girls who worship the Lord that way... look at her face. Isn't she just adorable?"
#ihopkc
#ihopkctoo
#cult
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Is Kris Vallotton feeling a little black horse-ish lately? We had the sermon sympathizing w abusive ldrs, MB shout-out & joking abt it, half-🍑 apology, & today's post 👇
Is
#bethel
grooming their community for a coming disclosure firestorm of "fallen" ldrs who need restoration?
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Wow so Isaac Bennett is preaching right now about how "bearing the fruits of repentance" means to "stop bringing false charges against people."
😳🤯😵
#ihopkc
#mikebickle
#investigateihopkc
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@ihopkc
Does the IHOPKC now consider testimony as evidence? 🤯 Are news articles of victim accounts now documents of truth? And you accept such testimony without the help of your "indep." lawyer? Why wasn't Jane Doe's account treated with such gravity?
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Looks like
#mikebickle
is a decades-long ped0 predator who built churches &
#ihopkc
in order to enable his depraved lifestyle.
So much gratitude to this brave woman for telling her story. Tammy, you will give so much courage & hope to other survivors & open the doors for justice.
EXCLUSIVE: A Michigan woman has come forward with allegations that International House of Prayer founder Mike Bickle groomed and sexually abused her starting when she was 14 and before he formed the Kansas City ministry.
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Not
@ihopkc
turning off comments after a flood of pushback!
🗯 We're sorry!
Also: Go away! 🥴
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@DrMichaelLBrown
@NathanBroo33288
Gatekeepers such as yourself aren't the only ones who get to speak publicly & have opinions. Maybe it's a generational thing, but you have to realize that social media IS the public square, & it has been the PRIMARY & ONLY avenue thru which many victims have initially been heard.
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Bob Hartley googling "prophetic words" in order to lure victims into s€xual relationships? 😥
How much of his (& other big name "prophets") ministry was fabricated?
Very sad to process.... & so many of us had "words" greatly impact our lives.
Was it even genuine?
#ihopkc
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⛔️⁉️ WHAT is this, Kris?
You love Mike?
You're shaming social media advocacy?
No mention of victims?
You think that ppl shouldn't expect Bethel as a sibling ministry to
#ihopkc
to make a public statement?
It's a very small family tree, Bethel. 🪵 I'm guessing you might be next.
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It was easy for everyone to dismiss ppl like
@Rbailey_99
months ago when she shared on
@HeavenBentPod
about MB "jokingly" grabbing her throat when they first met. But that's why it's called grooming. Bc it's "innocent." Arguable. A joke.
But it's a predator's 1st move.
#ihopkc
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Another survivor of Bob Hartley's predation. Thank you, Ruth, for bravely sharing your story to shed the light of accountability & to inspire courage in other victims.
Notice the themes, patterns, & wording matches Mike Bickle's.
#ihopkc
is a network to protect wolves.
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Sadly, it's possible that Tammy was not even Mike Bickle's first victim. A lifetime pattern of predatory behavior like this likely started before the age of 25.
🎭 Plus, Mike seemed to have his game down pat by 1980.
#ihopkc
We now have three victims that were basically back to back. He got tired of one and moved onto the next. We’ve made it up to the early 2000s. How many more are there?
#ihopkc
#MikeBickle
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@ihopkc
Too bad there wasn't a 24x7 live webstream all these years in Mike's office & the rooms at FC late at night.
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@seanfeucht
@Diddy
Mike Bickle is still in Kansas City running IHOPKC behind the scenes.... maybe we could focus on getting a known predator right within our own circle?
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@starcazm
"I don't feel safe [going to the person alone] that's code for about 5 other things." Ummm yeah maybe things like abuse?? Maybe bc it's actually UNsafe?
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@ihopkc
Vibes I'm getting here- like the abusive husband whose wife has finally left the house to stay with friends & threatened divorce. And now he has to give her some semblance of words that sound contrite & convince her (remaining staff) to give him one more chance.
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@reachjulieroys
@mistydedwards
@dkpooler
Julie, thank you so much for taking the time to dig deep into this situation with IHOPKC. This discussion was excellent & so needed. Also, your heart comes thru here & it's clear that you've agonized over this on a personal level, wanting to take care & do your job well. 🙏
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@dkpooler
@reachjulieroys
Major kudos to Rachael
@Rbailey_99
for sharing her experience when no one wanted to hear these stories, much less take them seriously. 🧡
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For those who are confused about the infamous "list of victims" supposedly made by the AG- that story was fabricated by
#ihopkc
ELT. It was a tactic to spin a narrative, create confusion, & give these women smthg they could come out to refute, making the whole case look dubious.
@mistydedwards
Sounds like the very group being targeted by Misty's post today does not exist. It seems Misty and company see themselves as victims when in fact they are just dealing with the fallout of Mike's failures playing out in the public square.
@mikebickle
needs to own this. All of it.
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An account appeared briefly last night & said to screen shot all posts. These are the ones I grabbed.
@DarrenHibbs
shared that what was posted here aligns with stories he has come to know are true, although he did not know who was behind this account. We'll see...
#ihopkc
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Please realize that a true independent third party investigation is NEVER going to happen.
Time for the tell-all media blitz & lawsuits to commence.
These are the only avenues left *due to* how
#ihopkc
&
#mikebickle
have chosen to handle this.
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@kvministries
What about the women & girls whose lives are being bulldozed by predators with mega ministry platforms? Those who continue to abuse bc other big leaders stay silent? How about coming out strongly against them & actively working for their many victims? 🗣 Mike Bickle?
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@EricVolz
@mistydedwards
Please don’t conflate those who have reported being sexually victimized with those claiming to have been “victimized” by a process IHOPKC unilaterally created and then piously assumed everyone would embrace.
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@bennettisaac
@Jedidiahhartley
So glad you met with Jed. However, the sentiment expressed in this post is absolutely at odds with the ACTIONS being taken by you & the other ihopkc leaders. If this is truly your heart, you must break ranks with current ldrshp & stand with a true 3rd party indep. investigation
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"I am not betraying you in this letter because the covering I once offered to you was given to a man who in actuality never existed."
Thank you, Tammy, for your bravery!
#ihopkc
A woman came forward last week with her story, accusing
@IHOPKC
Founder
@MikeBickle
of sexually abusing her, beginning at age 14
Now, that woman, identified by maiden name Tammy Woods, has released an open letter addressed to Mike (and Diane) Bickle. 1/2
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Warning: somewhat graphic. I would just like to say ⁉️WHAT THE WHAT⁉️ has been going on in the
#ihopkc
community?! This was during my time at ihop.
I mean- WHAT.... 😵😰
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This is what it looks like for the "old guard" to stand boldly & sound a clarion call worth heeding. 📣
Thank you, Jack Deere!
#ihopkc
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Is it any wonder that Bill Johnson & Kris Vallotton are standing by Mike Bickle? They've known about Bob Hartley & continue to protect his place within their own community, leaving women & children as vulnerable prey.
#ihopkc
#bethel
I alluded to this in a previous posts, but to make it explicitly clear: My father is not just a grifter but a predator. He is actively using the authority he has garnered as a “prophet” to sexually prey on women.
Bethel leadership knows about this but is doing nothing!
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And for what it's worth, then he said "...and Bethel is dealing with the same thing right now. Bethel is next."
I didn't ask for any further elaboration on that.
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Sadly, I don't think Eric was ever just the spokesperson. I think he's part of the core team that answers to Mike & he's playing various roles according to what's needed. This is the next "softer" phase of crisis mgmt & Eric likely is still on payroll. Just my opinion obv
#ihopkc
Why would anyone care about what the PR guy thinks? In all my reporting, I’ve never seen anything quite like this. Usually PR guys try to remain invisible. After all, they’re just the conduits. But this guy seems to revel in making it about himself. He’s a study in what not to do
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📰 News flash: Misty is no longer ELT.
Why is it pulling teeth with these guys to get the most basic questions answered?
Info that is readily available on any corporate or non-profit website is for some reason shrouded in secrecy at
#ihopkc
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The more stories that are shared, the more others realize the true nature of what they experienced & that it was not trivial, not joking, & not ok. More heartbreaking & shocking by the day... THIS is the
#ihopkc
culture that was right under our noses. 💔
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For those wondering why advocates for victims of Bob Hartley didn't do more sooner (go to the police etc.), I thought this was helpful insight from Johnny Enlow. He is one of the advocates behind the scenes.
#ihopkc
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STILL harping on the evils of social media. What these old gatekeepers just hate is that they've lost control of the narrative & can't hide.
Social media has been the PRIMARY/ONLY avenue for many abuse victims of various religious institutions to be heard & responded to.
#ihopkc
@NathanBroo33288
Actually, my position re: social media remains the same. There has been an intake portal for several months now through Boz where victims could come forward and there have been leaders ready to help. Just posting opinions online has not been helpful. But getting the truth out --
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@EricVolz
You're telling us that Mike Bickle, the ONE man this investigation was about, couldn't be bothered to sit down in person with the lawyer? He answered some questions in EMAIL?! Wow, extensive. Maybe next time Mike can just do an X live Q&A. 🥴
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At this point, you have to wonder: who is the real Misty Edwards? Likely, it's complex. (Does even she know, being formed by MB since 19?) And it's sad any way you look at it.
If you've seen The Vow (NXIVM), I think of Misty like Lauren Salzman, both victim & perpetrator.
#ihopkc
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⛔️ Must read🧵: Mike Bickle believed & privately taught the power of fake crying in order to make a message have greater impact.
This man is a calculating master deceiver, a fraud, & disturbing psychopath.
#ihopkc
@jessie_thinker
MB spoke of the power of fake crying to a Jane Doe. Watching this now makes my stomach literally churn.
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Sliker couldn't handle comment load? Didn't see this one coming? He's pulling a Lenny & wants you to dm him instead of engaging in public commentary. I guess there were too many "good people w honest questions." Killer "public apology" to an international audience, Dave🤥
#ihopkc
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Another survivor with a heartbreaking story.
#ihopkc
is NOT a safe place for anyone, let alone teens & children. It is a community where s€xual abusers & predators of all kinds are protected & enabled. Shut it down.
We stand with you
@therainfreesme
💔
This is me at 15. This is the year I lost my innocence when a youth leader at IHOP molested me. He was a friend of my uncle Jim Hartley's and an employee of my uncle Bob Hartley's.
#ihopkc
#MikeBickle
#metoo
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@WillCab8
Those at bethel & Morningstar should start paying attention to anything like staff or org structure changes, who leaves quietly, etc. This exposure is moving to their camps next & likely their leaders are watching ihop & adjusting accordingly.
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@DrMichaelLBrown
@NathanBroo33288
The truth is getting out....... in large part thru your "unapproved" means of social media. The collective public conversation is what has given many people courage to come forward & is what has shed light to even realize their similar event was abusive in nature.
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Core cult beliefs:
👉"We are going to save the world."
👉"Our group is going about it in the best way."
I'm going thru one documentary after another, religious & non-religious, & these are common denominators.
A moment of reflection...
#ihopkc
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Too bad Ernie Gruen is not alive to see this day at
#ihopkc
Little did we all know
#mikebickle
was triangulating people & orchestrating every move for his image & empire. Ernie saw it, exposed it, & became another body behind the bus.
Raniere was the enemy all along!
@RickAlanRoss
WTF is on my Mind?! ‘The Antidote’ Clip 2 of 3
#podcast
#nxivm
#cult
#raniere
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Yet another heartbreaking Bob Hartley story of prophetic & s€xual abuse. 💔 He is a dangerous predator.
And ministries like
#ihopkc
@morningstarm
@BethelRedding
knew the truth for years & allowed him to continue abusing women.
They have blood on their hands.
TW: SA
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"Though Prefix was never owned or managed by IHOP KC, we have decided to remove both our coffee shops from the organization’s property to protect the overall well-being of our staff and customers in the community and to restore the vitality of our business,” ☕️
#ihopkc
As IHOPKC scandals mount, Kansas City coffee shop says it will close two locations
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This is the most obviously guilty group of people engaged in the sloppiest, most demeaning cover-up.
#ihopkc
Tracey Bickle’s website is gone 🤔🧐 … and so quickly after her sermon last Sunday at FRC.
#ihopkc
#mikebickle
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@IamRickJoyner
You called it! The accusations against pedophile Mike Bickle turned out to be a nothingburger! 🍔 Waiting on your apology for covering for him all these years & calling IHOPKC to open their books to a full independent investigation.
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@IamRickJoyner
These "dreams & visions" are getting SO old when meanwhile, you're covering for & advocating for serial sexual predators to remain in ministry. How about addressing the raging evil within your house & the houses of your friends?
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Mike Bickle is a con artist. 👤
This script only further proves that if his beloved Prophetic History falls apart,
#ihopkc
has no foundation to exist.
Just hours before Tammy Woods’ interview with the KC Star, Mike Bickle sent her this “script” that he was preparing to use in a video to be made with his wife Diane on January 30th.
🚩 He refuses contact with outside leaders but has no problem running his ideas by one of his
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@EricVolz
@rachaelannsteel
The reason everyone is assuming is because it's nearly impossible to get a straight answer on the most basic questions from you guys. It's like pulling teeth. For 3 months we've been asking who is ELT & who is on the board.
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Or maybe
#ihopkc
is having trouble filling the prayer room & keeping sets running bc staff are seeing the horrific truth of its ped0phile founder.
📽 Is that why the cameras are going off? To keep up the public image under the guise of a false spirituality?
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@BrentDetwiler
@reachjulieroys
@mistydedwards
@dkpooler
Brent, I hope you'll take time to listen to the podcast & learn about adult CSA, coercion, & cult dynamics.
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Excellent & worth the 9 min watch ⬇️
💵What
#ihopkc
REALLY doesn't want exposed are its finances & biz dealings. If they can keep the circus contained to s€xual abuse, they might survive, but if the BOOKS get opened... it's game over.
Start looking into things like this
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Meanwhile, 🦗🦗🦗 from Lou Engle. These guys loudly proclaim justice as long as it's not for the ones preyed upon by their network of ministries.
#ihopkc
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So it's even worse... MB was using Jane Doe's birth date as a veiled threat for 20+ years.
How many other dates & details in the Prophetic History are code language or threats?
#ihopkc
@natecdrums
@allenshood
@dwaynearoberts
@mikebickle
@ihopkc
It has been brought to our attention that the birthdate of Jane Doe
#1
was first used in Mike’s teaching in the first session of the Prophetic History given in 2002 and was subsequently used in the context of that story a number of times in subsequent years. This was not known
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According to Dr. Brown, WE on social media are responsible for the lack of a proper investigation into
#ihopkc
.
Umm, no, Dr. Brown!
The ball has been in IHOPKC's court for 4 months, but they decided from day one they would
"NEVER" (🗨 Stuart)
let that happen.
@TheYouNoWhos
Not a chance. In fact, without lots of social media distractions, the investigations would likely have been completely properly by now. In point of fact, the great majority of accusers have NOT come forward yet and are awaiting the formal investigation.
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Latest
#ihopkc
update: they're going to implement leadership development programs.
So- the org that is currently steeped in lies, half-truths, obfuscation, victim blaming, & gaslighting is going to do this...before they have even taken step 1 to come clean in humility & sorrow?
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@abele_amy95291
I remember feeling so undisciplined when Mike told us about scheduling his life in 15 min increments & how he didn't own a cell phone (pager only) so he wouldn't be distracted. As if there weren't enough mental, emotional, & physical demands put on us already 🙄💩💩💩
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Now I understand Mike Bickle's crying/praying Psalm 51 repentance routine with his victims. I completely understand why they believed his sincerity.
#ihopkc
No one drank Mike Bickle’s KoolAid
more than Mike Bickle.
But no tears left for Jane Does…
#ihopkc
#mikebickle
#churchtoo
#cult
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Kris Vallotton is grateful that
#ihopkc
handled things with grace & transparency.
Maybe Bethel would like to start talking to Eric V. Lineiro now, just in case?
Yeah bro I hate to break it to ya but you’re part of the problem
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It's not Mike Bickle- it's Joseph Smith! When he began ramping up polygamy he introduced a teaching abt sin that said: no accuser, no sin.
This game is so old. Spiritual leaders don't want to get outed & silence followers thru church doctrine. Sound familiar?
#ihopkc
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Re: "uncovering" abuse publicly 👀
Mike Bickle to JD's husband: "That would constitute the greatest betrayal of my life..."
Bob Hartley to Ruth: "This is the worst betrayal of my life."
These guys shared a theology & a playbook. 📚
#ihopkc
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I wonder if the great "transfer of wealth" was really just to Mike Bickle's bank account?
Seriously- WHERE did all that money go? They barely have staffing expenses. 😐
#ihopkc
Remember when
#mikebickle
assured us his billionaire friends would fund us if we came to
#ihopkc
? We didn’t need to worry about the details, just our level of commitment. Remember how the money never came so we were left to conclude that our lack of commitment was the problem?
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@jonochall
These are the tactics of malignant narcissists, to keep you rehearsing the smallest details of "what really happened," knowing you have integrity & will work to defend truth. But it's just to keep everyone around them spinning, exhausted, & confused while they wreak havoc.
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@bozlawpa
Thank you, Boz. Thank you to every Jane Doe, Tammy, & the ones yet to come forward. We believe you.
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I'm going to be honest here.
We are almost 15 weeks in. That's nearly 4 MONTHS.
Lou is one of the highest public figures who is most closely associated with Mike Bickle.
I genuinely do not understand being silent for 4 months in a scandal this big.
Just my feelings. 😔
#ihopkc
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@Jedidiahhartley
Thank you, Jed. This is heartbreaking on many levels & I'm sorry you were put in this position. I can't imagine what it was like to see all of this & carry the secrets for years. We're listening to what you want us to know.
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Reminder that Mike Bickle learned the ways of the mafia not only from his biological father, but also from his spiritual father Paul Cain, who recorded every phone conversation so he could later use the tapes as blackmail if anyone threatened to expose him.
#ihopkc
#mikebickle
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There has been too much covered by too many for too long.
You want to stand back quietly & claim that
#ihopkc
is not your circus, but guess what? The family tree is not that large, & pretty incestuous. 🪵🪵🪵
📣 Hey
@BethelRedding
@morningstarmin
I'm betting you're next.
@WillCab8
Those at bethel & Morningstar should start paying attention to anything like staff or org structure changes, who leaves quietly, etc. This exposure is moving to their camps next & likely their leaders are watching ihop & adjusting accordingly.
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A final note: the exposure of corruption & abuse in mega ministries is only going to increase in the days ahead. It is in everyone's best intest to get educated on CSA & narcissistic abuse so that you respond well at home, & to other connected ministries. Thx for listening. 🙏 /9
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@starcazm
Someone should count up the total number of "encounters" Mike claims he had over the years. He always wants to qualify them by saying they're not that common, but it seems like he backs up every sermon with an encounter. 😒
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When you listen to cult/abuse survivors, you hear how the internet changed everything for them. Pre-web, you had little hope of help/going public. But with chat rooms, blogs, & now social media, institutions/perpetrators who could once silence victims have lost their hold.
#ihopkc
@jessie_thinker
Agreed. Until one has been a victim who has lost their agency, voice, and consent at the hands of another, I don’t think they can possibly understand the value of finding your voice and using it again (in whatever way feels right for each individual), nor do they have any right
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#mikebickle
Jane Doe (that we have record of thus far) was in 1983. Mike was 28.
He had not yet est. international fame & an org that ensured a steady stream of young women & unchecked power.
#ihopkc
Abuse, unchecked, only increases in frequency and severity over time.
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@johnnarae
Great episodes with Kat- I just listened. What a toxic mess! With the way YWAM is structured, I would imagine there are thousands of victims.
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