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I don’t even know what to say today about
#ihopkc
(or
#sbc
et al). Except for this: it shouldn’t be this hard.
Is it too much to ask as a woman (or a child or *anyone*) to want to feel safe? Is it really too much to want to be free from harassment, abuse, assault, and violence?
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Dear Church: can we please put a permanent moratorium on calling women “witches” and “Jezebels” from the platform? It is really offensive and dishonoring of women, and quite honestly, it makes many of us feel unsafe and unloved in the church.
So please, sincerely, let’s STOP
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@EricVolz
@Rpanozzo88
Except their stories are exactly the same and you know it 🤦🏻♀️ You owe Jane Doe — and all the Jane Does known or unknown — an apology
@EricVolz
. A huge apology. Not the mention the AG and the body of Christ.
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@Joel7Richardson
@dsvandeutekom
@seanfeucht
Speaking as someone who was, in fact, born with a skeletal dysplasia and who is also a survivor of abuse, I found Sean’s post extremely hurtful and patronizing. I don’t think anyone is elevating these things over the Cross just to begin with, but the issue is that it seems like,
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So disheartening how
@ihopkc
continues to walk this out. Allen & others have gone above & beyond in kindness, humility, & godliness while these men (who no one even knows) try to drag the corporate body into the weeds while still ignoring the gravity of the real issue at hand.
Today is a sad day for me. From the very beginning of this crisis, I have been working towards a peaceful solution to an agreed-upon, third-party investigation.
Major General (Ret.) Kurt Fuller’s video last night was a new low-point in this heartbreaking situation. Kurt’s
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I will likely have more to say in the days ahead — it’s all too much right now. Tonight, I just want to publicly thank Jane Doe and Tammy and honor the enormity of their courage and sacrifice in coming forward as they have. I don’t even have words to express how I feel about both
I believe and stand with Tammy.
It is abundantly clear that Mike Bickle is a pedophile and a sexual predator.
And IHOPKC's "response" has made a mockery of Jesus and his precious gospel.
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@bennettisaac
Isaac I appreciate this post. I truly do. It’s a step in the right direction. But please reach out to Jane Doe directly. None of you have done that yet, and honestly, I think that should’ve come first. After all the accusations leveled against her both privately and publicly…
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@Rbailey_99
@starcazm
Just to say, there was a season a long time ago when he gave me a private email address and told me to only use that one to correspond with him “because too many people had access to his computer.” And I know of a handful of others who he had that same setup with (young women,
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This👇🏼 Whole. Entire. Families… groomed, divided (some even torn apart), so that he could isolate and abuse young women, including a 14 and 19 year old, all while using (and ultimately defaming) the name of Jesus to do so 🤢😡
If there’s anyone left who has any questions as
#mikebickle
groomed whole families in order to abuse teenagers. Worked his way in to woo siblings & parents so he had access without raising 🚩.
Do you see the similarities between Jane Doe & Tammy’s story?
Then he made teens carry the weight of his sin.
#ihopkc
#shewas14
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“An authentic apology, especially when it is offered in response to significant and long-term harm, will be so clearly distinct from every prior experience that it will be unquestionably received. It will appear like a flash of light in a darkened room, like an exploding clap of
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And here is the truth (see the 🧵) behind all the misdirection of the last few days… ihopkc was never going to do anything but try to sweep all the abuse under the rug and make it go away.
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Love this post. As someone living with a degenerative illness who spends most of my time limited to a very small space that I require lots of help to manage, I have spent a lot of my adult life untangling myself from the burdens in much of the church and our culture for
No more "movements". No more "mandates". No more predatory leaders drawing a following promising revivals, renewals, or elite status in the Kingdom. Find a community committed to mutual love, humility, and authenticity. Serve Jesus in the normal rhythms, enjoy his presence, enjoy
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@jessie_thinker
Agreed. Until one has been a victim who has lost their agency, voice, and consent at the hands of another, I don’t think they can possibly understand the value of finding your voice and using it again (in whatever way feels right for each individual), nor do they have any right
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I literally cannot wrap my mind around anyone, ever, saying this sentence out loud, or even thinking it for that matter. What could possibly be the justification for such a horrific philosophy? There is none. And I’m sorry, but this, like so many other things that have come to
Pay attention to the men that Mike Bickle surrounded himself with. It wasn’t accidental.“Elizabeth, IHOPU will never have a policy against hiring someone with sexual predation or offense in their background. Never.” Dave Sliker....🤡
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Pain has to be reckoned with. One of the things that has been excruciating to many of us who know Jane Doe and have been walking with her for the last many months is that while we are grateful for the potential internal shift that has come from the brave disclosures of Tammy and
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@jburn
@realprophetguy
I mean… absolutely disgusting. 🤢 He should’ve been removed from any kind of ministry a long, long time ago. And I feel like we can probably guess that whoever it was who kept restoring him to ministry used phrases like “he just made a mistake”, “nobody’s perfect”, “everyone
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I mean what in the actual world is happening here? The rest of the quote in the video in the post below… “the Holy Spirit cares more about divisiveness than molestation and abuse”? Are you freaking kidding me with this insanity? 🤢😡 Sorry, just me over here losing my mind.
Seriously. This is a real quote from a *senior leader* at
#IHOPKC
. Get your kids out of
#IHOPU
and mission base - whatever’s left of it.
#disqualified
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Wow. This letter… 💔
Just wow. 😭
“You don’t have to silence those who do speak up.
You don’t have to be silent.
It doesn’t have to be like this.
You can quit any time you want.
Until He Comes,
The Church”
An open letter to the Southern Baptist Convention:
Dear SBC, you don’t have to be this way.
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This.
I believe the last sentence is true. And quite frankly, imho, that those leaders know that and are still pushing these women into the spotlight is one of the most duplicitous and wicked twists in all that has unfolded in the last week.
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Right now, in this moment, I’m not sure there’s anyone in the Church I respect more than
@BethMooreLPM
for her discernment and courage to say what Christian leaders should be shouting from every pulpit in our nation. Jesus is our only God and King. Everything else is idolatry.
I concur. Thank you
@BethMooreLPM
for the spiritual clarity and courage. This is the time to fix our eyes on Christ Jesus and Him alone. He is the only Savior of the Church and the only King who will bring deliverance to the nations.
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Our affections were made to be directed entirely toward Jesus, governed by Him, consumed with Him, & discharged upon Him
@stephenvenable
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@jburn
@BingeMovies
The deception and betrayal of it all is beyond comprehension. So many truly sincere people just trying to love Jesus and as Joanna said - pouring themselves out in exhaustion and sacrificing so, so much. And the lies, the manipulation, the hypocrisy… it’s just unreal.
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Absolutely undone. Truly. 🥹
We are so profoundly grateful for all the love and generosity during this difficult time 😭 So close to the finish line now!
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@DunningAwen
@realprophetguy
@kvministries
@BethelRedding
I agree. It’s a misappropriation of Scripture to imply that restoration before the Lord (when there’s real repentance) should also mean these individuals should be restored to full time ministry and leadership positions. All sin may be similar in the way that it separates us from
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This whole thread is so important and worth reading, not just for ihopkc or sbc but for anyone in the Body of Christ.
🧵Hey
#ihopkc
- let’s talk about clergy s*xual abuse.
1. What is it?
Clergy s*xual abuse occurs when a member of clergy uses his or her position and power to exploit, harm and sexually abuse a member of their congregation.
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If you are following the ongoing saga concerning ihopkc and you are struggling to discern what is true, I would start here with what Dwayne is saying.
I have been on Social Media very little in these last months, but I felt that I would like to respond to recent posts which
@EricVolz
has been releasing, and this statement might help bring some clarity:
Statement from Dwayne Roberts about the “50-Page Working Document”
Recent
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Yes, please. And while we’re at it, let’s revise most of the statutes of limitations for sex crimes and put an end to that clergy loophole.
How can good come from this whole disaster? One way is for Missouri to pass Clergy SA laws.
Let Mike Bickle forever be the face of sexual abuse in the state of Missouri. Let his name be synonymous with legal punishment for spiritual predation.
#ihopkc
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@JulieAMeyer
Love you Julie. Thank you for your love and kindness here 🥹❤️🩹
And I’m so, so sorry you experienced all of that at ihop and with Mike. It’s absolutely horrible. Manipulative and abusive. And there’s no excuse for any of it.
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Humility is not thinking less of yourself but thinking of yourself less. -C.S. Lewis
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Incredibly grateful for this and for the dearest, kindest friends. ❤️🩹 Words cannot convey.
Please consider helping relieve the financial burden of this most precious family as they prepare for upcoming medical costs.
@venablefour
is a unique treasure of a soul and I hope we can give back even a little of the love that she has poured out.
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@ChadNichols_
Yes.
But in hindsight, with the fog now lifted and with age and wisdom, I think we were actually standing in a field of red flags.
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This is beautiful. ❤️🩹😭
As all of this has unfolded, I've had two persistent thoughts that keep coming back—so I'm gonna throw them out there:
1. Empowered communities bring so much life
2. True leadership isn't positional. It's choosing to empower others through the sacrifice of courageous
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This is a very important part of the conversation.
Thank you
@bozlawpa
for sharing this. I wholeheartedly affirm that we need to do a better job of “welcoming and affirming” victims of sexual abuse who step forward.
While I’m in agreement with other Advocate Group members that these victims are persons of character with
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It’s troubling to see commentary by some in the church, particularly men, that can’t discern the difference between sexual immorality and capital P Predatory behavior (sexual abuse & criminality). This man had a whole business plan set up for his abuse.
Here’s a dissertation on how to avoid repeating Ravi’s actions:
actually don’t abuse people.
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Agree. And this doesn’t just apply to podcasts. We really need to be listening to women’s voices right now (and always).
If you're a man thinking of making a podcast about the abuse of women, try listening to women. We've been speaking for decades. If there's not a single woman speaking, you're part of the problem.
The marginalization of women is why this got as far as it did.
The white blood
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@zhuangcorp
@stephenvenable
Just to be clear Stephen is not and never was on the ELT… I can’t totally discern if that’s what people think or are saying here or not?? And we left ihopkc ten years ago.
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I’m not crying… you’re crying 😭
In case you didn’t get to see it, here is the full video of Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs singing “Fast Car” at the Grammys
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@starcazm
Same. SO many thoughts and feelings - none of them good and too much to unpack here. This clip (which I have never seen before) was particularly hard to watch for me on so many levels. But what you wrote above, Austin, is really insightful.
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This. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
There’s a reason so many churches are railing against the “woke agenda of the
#metoo
movement.”
It’s not because they’re afraid that “any woman anywhere can just make up an accusation and ruin a man’s reputation.” We know false reports are insanely rare.
If 975/1000 of ACTUAL
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There is only One Love that never dies, Whose flower never fades. Holy, holy… crucified… Jesus is alive.
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@DunningAwen
@realprophetguy
@kvministries
@BethelRedding
Exactly. It’s so disheartening and disgusting. There is no excuse.
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And fellow Christians, we are either all in with Jesus or we aren’t in at all. We need to stop with the lukewarm, lazy, loveless faith, pick up our Bibles, learn to read & study them, add that to a vibrant, fiery prayer life & learn what it means to be true disciples of Christ.
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This.
Advocacy is a part of healing.
When people want you to be quiet and move on from harm, they don’t realize a big part of healing is being a part of the change in making sure no one else gets harmed again. It’s regaining the voice that you once needed.
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Stating the obvious right now: Shepherds in the Church, you cannot keep ignoring the issues of Biblical illiteracy, problematic discipleship, & prayerlessness within your flocks. The Body of Christ is mess, and leaders, the Lord entrusted them to you. What are you gonna do?
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So grateful for the Lord's heart & worth spoken of by
@DailyFrancis
at
#onething2013
tonight. Jesus is so unfathomably kind to us.
#provoked
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And this.
Forgiveness may be one part of healing for people but it’s not the only part. So is accountability, so is ownership, validation of the harm and justice. These are all just as important parts of healing and recovery in the face of harm. Let’s tell the whole story.
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Have I, like Paul, learned to be content in any situation, whether I am brought low or abound, because God's glory beauty & worth is enough?
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Oh man... Twitter is on fire tonight. I’m here for all of it. The trending British Twitter tweets might be the best thing I’ve read all year. 😂🤣
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Go Chiefs!!!!!!!
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In the waiting rooms of this age, our greatest consolation is not in the answer we hope for, but in the Person we most long for Ps 73:25-26
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@natehagerty
@iwonabednarzpl
I was actually on what was called the Management Team for a little while around the time when I was Director of Communications 🥴 Marci was the only other woman on Management Team back then.
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God writes the gospel not in the Bible alone, but on trees, and flowers, and clouds, and stars. (Martin Luther)
http://t.co/3kC5MqrNkd
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@realprophetguy
Thank you for the vulnerability and beauty of these words, Susan. Feel them deeply too.
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Love this short exhortation from John Piper on the Bridegroom & on marriage:
http://tinyurl.com/theBridegroom
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I want to stand in His Counsel, and value His thoughts & opinions & emotions more than my own or anyone else's. Lord, let it be so.
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@kristenscoggan
Kristen this is absolutely terrible. I am so, so sorry. You did deserve better. And you are right - we really weren’t safe, and nothing about that is okay.
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From the waiting room: It is here in this very room that Jesus can be found & adored, for He alone is worth the wait.
http://t.co/PE8afw839D
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@PrincessSLinkey
This is horrific. And when you were a teenager — and their own son too? What in the world!? 🤢 I am so very sorry this happened to you.
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Empty political evangelicalism and therapeutic preaching just aren’t gonna cut it anymore.
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@jburn
As someone with enormous experience in the surgical department, having had more than 20 in my life (I’ve lost count tbh), I can testify to the fact that my two c-sections were without a doubt “major” surgeries. I can’t even believe anyone would say otherwise. You use your core
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"Behold the malady
Of love is incurable
Except in Your presence
and before Your face."
- John of the Cross
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Amen. Thank you
@KyleJamesHoward
. “Connecting the refrain “it could’ve been me” with the abuser rather than with the victim is a massive red flag to the vulnerable and is a profoundly unhealthy outlook on the part of those with power.”
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@realprophetguy
Wow Susan. This dream. I’ve really been feeling the reality of this… the carnage, all those who have been wounded. I actually just posted something similar earlier in the week. All of this pain has to reckoned with; it simply can’t be ignored. It’s too much. It’s just too much.
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Today it was the story of the trees and the branches that brought me to my knees. Jesus-the Righteous Branch
http://t.co/eWooAx9f49
#advent
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@davidsliker
@BethMooreLPM
I’m also not sure that the platform ministries of today with popular personalities who have huge followings, bound up in large financial stakes, was what the NT writers nor the Holy Spirit had in mind when setting forth the principles for us to relate to leaders within the Body.
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Spent the morning watching The Dream of a King & weeping. Everyone should see this. Such a witness.
http://t.co/umjZF3hF
@aaforerunner
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“If Christ is not all to you, He is nothing to you. He will never go into partnership as a part Savior of men. If He be something, He must be everything; and if He be not everything, He is nothing to you.” Charles Spurgeon
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RT
@_the_wall
: Available Now Stephen Venable's Sessions on Foundations of Night and Day Prayer & Worship at
http://tinyurl.com/28tkrv5
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Something about these photos and the simple act of a Congressman on his knees cleaning up trash and debris after the events of Weds really touches my heart. He did this for hours, in the rotunda and the adjacent rooms, before the vote that night.
“It’s a room that I love so much — it’s the heart of the Capitol, literally the heart of this country. It pained me so much to see it in this kind of condition.”
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@susannarey313
You are a very easy person to love and I’m so thankful for our friendship these last years and right in this moment too. 🥹❤️🩹
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Will I make much of Jesus when I am pressed from every side and in times of prosperity? Will I rejoice in His glory more than my comfort?
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@AlyssaDegraff
@bethkiraly_
I’ve actually received emails about this from ihopkc, and they’ve always made me feel a little icky, tbh. I know it’s a common practice with ministries and nonprofits, but it feels weird to aggressively market it versus having it set up as an option, *if* an individual or donor
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The source of the included image with the quote from Gracia is .
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"True valor lies, not in what the world calls success, but in the dogged going on when everything in the man says Stop" (Amy Carmichael)
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Christianity is not primarily about issues in American politics...it's about the worth of Jesus. Seems there may be some confusion there...
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If the beauty of Jesus doesn't move you, no exhortation to pray, fast, & worship until we see His face will move you, let alone keep you.
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The question isn't whether Jesus is near to me in my weakness, His compassion is proven & unyielding - it's whether I will draw near to Him.
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@bethkiraly_
Incredible response. Thank you for taking the time to communicate all of this so thoughtfully.
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