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Vader after faking his death and making people mourning him for absolutely no reason at all
This will be my final statement before permanently deactivating ( will be up for 1 day )
Ik what I have done is unforgivable and I deserve the hate but I still want to say sorry
I had a VC with Satal and
@Jada_Cookies
so they can verify everything I’m saying is true.
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Cherry when eren whines over a girl that he never showed any romantic love toward about not finding another man, after killing his mom and billions of innocents
14 year old edgelord when a teen wants to have a prolong and happy life with his lover
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Using your same logic mikasa is a psychopath as well
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Wow a genocidal nazi terrorist realizing his past mistakes after losing a war that he and his country started.
what a hero !
Their story is an example of a story that just writes itself
Isayama built such a cohesive world of powerful characters that "write the story" as it goes along we did not need to verbally connect dots
We already know who they are individually but together
The magic of humanity
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Eren putting his friends, family and people's lives in danger : that's okay
Eren possibly killing mikasa : well that's actually going too far
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He committed great evils because of how Isayama wrote the story by making the rumbling to be the only option
@gutscaismyluv
@aotfan574
A 19 year old relentless psychopath with emotions that result in him committing great evils with suffering from deep guilt and extreme self hatred but it doesn’t mean he is completely without kindness, care and love
It isn’t that hard 😭
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Isayama might as well write eren manipulating kid grisha to see the blimp so his aunt fay gets eaten by dogs so his past self can have an excuse to destroy the outside world and you will still absolutely defend it because you're nothing more than a sheep to the narrative
Been seeing discourse about this and idk call me whatever but I don't think it was an asspull. I don't think it ruined Eren's early motivations - a character's motivations can shift and change, and since young Eren was unaware of this, it actually doesn't even erase it imo
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"He ignored the possible reasons why titans existed"
why was he listening to hange's experiments then ? Why didn't he walk out of the the room or said he was simply disinterested because he was one track minded killing machine according to you ?
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The worst plot twist of all time
If this is not the most jaw dropping plot twist in history then idk what it is.
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>stop the rumbling
>Blew away the Marley port
>Lead the alliance
>Banged Annie
>Was one of the main pillar of war against Marley
>Refuse to participate in the facist plans of floch
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How ymir should've reacted to the shit-show in front of her
She really kissed his decapitated head with the poor slave character standing there watching, Ymir baby I am so fking sorry you waited 2000 years😭😭😭
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But she robbed a lot of families of their sons and daughters and she never gets confronted with that fact not even Levi at least tries to talk to her, you know anything would have been better than nothing
So sick of people suddenly turning into experts on morality when it comes to Annie, never even bothering to look into WHY she did things the way she did, nor what Isayama was trying to *intentionally* convey with her characterization.
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The face of somebody that wanted to kill people simply because they're existing
I try not to get triggered by these people but are you guys actually for real? Did you actually watch/read this animanga. Things cannot be subtly hinted at anymore you want things to be explicitly stated otherwise it's bad writing jfc
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Remember when ending haters, hated eren when he was crying and apologizing to ramzi for the sins that he's about to commit yeah me neither
I love it when an edgy fap dream dies because he is seeing every thematic thread since Chapter 1 fulfilled
"Oh no, my god has feelings for that pathetic female simp. Nooooo my chad"
At this point, not even that long essay this guy makes shows he actually reads lol
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You're using the post-timeskip redrawing of the scene that Isayama used to manipulate his audience into believing that eren has always been not normal to explore whatever fucked up philosophy he had
in the original scene eren wasn't stone cold face he was having tears in his eyes
If you don't understand Eren stabbing those sex traffickers when he was 9yo with stone cold face feeling absolutely nothing just pure anger and yearning for justice wasn't something normal for a child then idk what to tell you but that scene was here to show/prove smth about him.
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The same history the same mistakes again and again
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@emperor_youtube
you realize that marley which is a country that is similar to nazi Germany is considered to be the least racist country and the treatment of the eldians people is best there, but you simply blame the character rather than the author for his incompetent world building
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If the leaks were true
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Glad that you're conveniently dismissing the fact that he regrets thinking that, and then goes on to continue live his life with his friends.
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@goodguylegy
Glad that you're conveniently dismissing the fact that he regrets thinking that, and then goes on to continue live his life with his friends.
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Eremika's when they see a deranged picture of a mentally unstable woman kissing a decapitated head of her step-brother
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"Being willing to murder and repeatedly stab people as a child" completely ignoring the fact that the people that eren stabbed are human traffickers who killed a family and were about to sell a little girl to pedophiles and rapists
Being willing to murder and repeatedly stab people as a child, get civilians killed, and being willing to *genocide billions of people* ABSOLUTELY falls under the textbook definition of psychopathy lol
Eren was always a psychopath. 139 didn’t change anything.
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"If we kill them all, will we find freedom?" so are we just simply gonna ovesimplify this statement about a complex situation and take it literally Or should we take into account the tone the expression and the body language.+
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@AoT_Theories
No i don't like to think that it's him even tho I know it's him because mikasa in the entire story has never shown any romantic interest In him, and quite frankly there was zero build up to their relationship ending together especially from mikasa's POV.
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So eren wanting to kill humanoid giant naked creatures who killed so many scouts, innocent people, destroyed his hometown and killed his own mom is somehow equal to him killing billions of innocent people because they're existing
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A preview for peak fiction within the next few months
I know the significance change, they'll use Ashes on the Fire during this scene 😂
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@emperor_youtube
yes it is unrealistic but Isayama still wrote that line anyways, is it surprising that he never fully showed us countries from the rest of the world, it's because he wrote in that line and if he followed up on it he'll end up justifying the rumbling even more than he already had
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It's funny how most people only appreciated him retrospectively after they liked him more post-time skip and then they go on to pretend that they've always liked him
Imagine hating s1-3 Eren could never be me.
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How can you be so stupid to the point that you think that crying because horrible things happen to you is somehow equivalent to whining like a bitch over a girl not being with another man after killing your mom and billions of innocent people for absolutely no reason at all.
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Yeah humans indeed not literal nazis and the rest of the world stated to be much more hostile than marley
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Isayama has probably hoped that his audience are gullible idiots that will forget about that scene when he recontexualized to push a certain agenda he had in mind, and surprise surprise he wasn't wrong.
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Eren's dreams aren't coherent and consistent he goes from wanting freedom for his friends, family and innocent people to wanting freedom solely for himself even at the coast of billions of other innocent lives, his friends and his family
@maven_9000
Eren's dreams are extremely coherent and consistent, they're just not achievable. Those aren't the same thing.
You seem to be implying that because maybe Eren wouldn't have killed everyone in a world where humanity outside was peaceful and posed no threat to him, it means that
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@emperor_youtube
That was a rational assumption from a character that obviously understands that there should other organizations that fight for eldian right, but we never see any of them
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"What matters is his priorities" he was just pretending here guys he didn't care about humanity so much that he'll sacrifice his own ambitions, he was just acting.
Not understanding the Eremin bond truly rots your ability to understand timeskip Eren.
Thinking that because Eren is sympathetic and remorseful for people should mean he isn't capable of indiscriminant death is such a myopic way to view his character and also the world.
What
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Acting as if eren just woke one day took a knife and started to stab random people because he felt like it, completely stripping the scene of it's context to push on a certain narrative
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@emperor_youtube
When I said we never saw any, I meant ones that are advocates for Paradis island's rights not the eldians rights conference where they shift blame to Paradis, Paradis is the underdog in terms of who advocates for it's rights in the outside world
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You Annie haters are so weird can't you see how bad she feels, go on and tell that to her victims
You can feel guilt and remorse and still carry out the actions. Much like how Eren cries and apologizes to Ramzi but still does what he does. Annie was raised to think fighting and killing was okay but she still felt guilt. You Annie haters are so weird
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by saying this he didn't express any need will or desire to kill people. He asked this question with a depressed tone He's tired of killing conflicts the repeating chain of hatred.+
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One was well written because Walter white had other choices yet he still did it for himself meanwhile eren didn't have any other choices in the story and yet the narrative is pretending that he did everything for himself even though he had no other options
I love this resolution of characters. Finally letting go of excuses and justifications, finally admitting their inner selfishness. And at last, confess what was truly making them move forward.
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also how is killing human traffickers is somehow equivalent to him killing billions of innocent people ?
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He did not beg Historia to eat him for no reason. He was willing to give up his life and ambitions for the benefit of humanity, even if he was being manipulated and lied to, pre-time skip Eren is anything but selfish.
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Quantity over quality is what matters the most I guess
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Love the way you frame the scene as if eren woke up one day and saw two "dudes" (these two dudes are human traffickers by the way) and decided to kill them just because he wanted to, like are we forgetting the fact that a little girl about to sold to pedophiles and rapists
You guys really think a 9 year old boy bagging 2 dudes brutally is Normal?? Like not to mention he had like a loving family who care for him more than anything else if Zeke did it by any chance it could have make sense but not eren and you aot fandom should accept this shit
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@emperor_youtube
What ? we were literally talking about Paradis and how Isayama wrote the outside world to be comically racist, but I guess you're talking about the opressed eldians in the ghettos in marley and how are they gonna die during the rumbling right ? What's your argument
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Is it "Eren should have been a hero" or is it eren is an inconsistent mess of a character that his core values post-time skip contradicts his pre- time skip
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Of course we love when Eren has emotions that's why 131 is the best chapter 🥰😌
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"Foreshadowing" (gaslighting your audience into believing that a character was darker than it actually was to manufacture a pathetic excuse to justify your future narrative decisions and to push your own agenda) isn't a substitute for good development
AoT is the only fandom where a characters long foreshadowed descent into madness gets called out of character, while thousands nod in agreement that a character never had sex and stole her baby.
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"Eren, without hesitation, slaughtered them" you mean killed them, you're trying so hard to frame eren's actions in such a dark light acting as if stated dismembering them or something, he stabbed the first guy once and stabbed the other guy multiple times and that's it
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Reminder that Nazi Germany of the aot world is considered to be the least racist country
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My man is literally using a redrawing of a specific scene where Isayama was trying to twist it to manipulate the readers into believing that eren was unhinged and terrifying to justify him doing the rumbling.
here are the original panels for contrast
Kid Eren was more terrifying than those kidnappers from Mikasa pov ngl
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By asking this question, he literally asked "Do we really have to spill blood once again to feel free?"
Taking into account his previous established characterization of course and not the post-time skip mess that ruined his entire character .+
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@emperor_youtube
Because most of them are still racist and the opressed eldians in the outside world will die as an unintended consequences because the outside world's hatred runs so deep that they can't save every single innocent civilians and opressed eldians and then leave out the bad guys
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I will be writing a whole ass thread on Eren nature once my exams are over ngl
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Welp Isayama wanted that to happen, therefore eren, It doesn't matter if that contradicts eren's previous characterization, as long as I Isayama can satisfy his "nature" and "always been this way" fetish, it's all good apparently.
If Eren is supposed to represent "humanity's innate desire to seek violence" why is he only ever violent in response to others' violence/oppression or the threat of it? Why does HSC Eren not actually do anything to hurt anyone?
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Eren will turning into a cruel monster that kills innocent children, or people in general, goes against all of his 90+ chapters of character development .+
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@emperor_youtube
This is the worldview that the show provides, yes it's terrible but that's how it's written, how does the story disproves this ?
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@emperor_youtube
@gutscaismyluv
Wow taking the words of a guy that literally met eren less than a month literally even though that was exactly what eren was trying to prove the opposite to the survey Corps that he's not a rage fueled monster
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Yeah you mean the human traffickers who killed an innocent father and innocent mother and were about to sell a little girl to pedophiles and rapists ?
Eren only stabbed one of them multiple times, and he actually did reflex about that when he was training with reiner
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Don't you dare disrespect Mikasa’s amazing character development during the fumbling arc
What did the Mikasa character development make of this scene. Mikasa’s most outward display of cruelty.
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"That just hammers the fact that he was an incompetent person to handle the task that he was burdened with and he was just acknowledging that"
here's a compilation of eren being an incompetent person
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Why was he attempting to empathize with Annie then ? Was he pretending as well ?
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@emperor_youtube
The "cringevengers" are good idea but a bad execution, the problem is that Isayama has tried his hardest from chapter 91 to 123 to make the rumbling seem as reasonable as possible regardless of how awful it is, but then he's pretending that actually the rumbling was irrational
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If Isayama wrote Sasuke's character
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Comedy show at it's peak
@weepinbelll
It's so tiring. Eren hated titans before his mother died, just for existing. He hated them for denying him the a chance to see the world, because he believes he's entitled to an empty earth. The humans outside the walls do the exact same thing to him, regardless of his personal
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Yeah what does that have to do with anything, she still killed a grown man at the age of nine, something that you guys like to weaponize against eren
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Just because it's the story that the author created doesn't mean that the audience have no right to criticize it, the story is a product and as consumers of that product people have the right to criticize it however they like
“Push your own agenda” YOU MEAN WRITING THE STORY THAT HE CREATED?!?! 😭😭😭
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Wow behaving unnaturally in an unnatural circumstance so shocking
That doesn’t mean Eren Jaeger wasn’t behaving in an unnatural manner for a 9 year old… stop shifting the goalpost anytime someone tries to open your eyes to reality.
This shit is getting tiring bro I wasn’t made for this 💔
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Eren absolutely fills in this quota, he was hated for crying a lot after witnessing a lot of traumatic events, too bad that the only thing that people remember about him these days is that he is a genocidal maniac .+
“anime cry babies” and its characters who’s watched the people they love and care about get killed right in front of them, some die in the most horrific ways over and over again, some have their bones broken every time they fight.
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As if eren was never established as a character that acts in response to injustice, we're meant to believe that he's the one who creates external roadblocks because "he just wanted to"
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It was all floch's fault, even the women and the children fuck them too !!!!
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It doesn't matter what the author's intentions are, he was incompetent in relaying his message correctly.
Just when you thought the anime had made it more obvious to these 'so-called intellectuals,' they somehow fail to comprehend the primary message of the story.
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It's not even a competition
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"His primal desire for the empty plain was his PRIMARY GOAL. Ever since he was a kid" yeah you heard it folks eren wanted to murder billions of innocent people because he wanted a blank plain ever since he was a kid
@7pj4zjqzsh
@emperor_youtube
@GotBanned_lol
Dude
You do realize people have many goals. No one is saying he doesn't want to.
But that's not his obsession here. His primal desire for the empty plain was his PRIMARY GOAL. Ever since he was a kid
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@noctass
And they didn't know that humanity existed outside the walls you dumbass, what do you think that if the innocent people were swapped from outside the walls with the ones inside the walls he will just stop caring in that specific moment .+
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Yeah what eren did was abnormal but doing an abnormal thing in an abnormal dystopian setting isn't the biggest proof that there is something wrong with that person, what's wrong with him what does this proof or what does it mean he never does it again pre-time skip
Still doesn't change the fact that what Eren did was abnormal. No normal kid would have done what Eren did. You call it a strong sense of Justice. I call it the first sign of something wrong with that person.
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A Lot of people think that Eren is the best written MC
Here is Lelouch The indefinitely better written MC
Who actually succeeded in his goal
Eren is nothing but a failed version of Lelouch
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Name a character that never deserves to be forgiven, I’ll start:
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@noctass
Eren was willing to sacrifice himself for those people Because he shares the same struggle as them and because they were INNOCENT people something that you seem to be missing because it's inconvient to your agenda
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ED's methheads be like : but you're wrong eren carrying the Boulder just like atlas carrying the world on his shoulder and then throwing up that Boulder symbolizes him destroying the world, I guess you just didn't read this 4000 word thread about the symbolism of that scene.
“Eren was born evil” can’t stop thinking bout this funny take man 😂
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Yeah because having your main character committ genocide for absolutely no reason at all makes your series automatically better
These 2 clears the new season of VS pretty comfortably
Real ones jujutsu kaisen season 2 will be moving masse 🤭
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@noctass
or can we admit that he was retconned into self centered freedom fighter when in the previous seasons he was fighting for the freedom of everybody.
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So if a character that people like so much with it's own established characterization morals and motivations suddenly starts acting out of character according to your logic people don't have the right to be upset and be critical because the author created the character . +
He created the character AND the story bro, you don’t have to agree with his creative direction but saying he’s trying to gaslight his audience because you didn’t like the outcome of his story is insane 😭
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Some realistic writing right there
I just realized that Muller is actually the current leader of Marley after Willy Tybur's death
He is called Secretary or Chokan. He might even be Marley's Minister of Defense/War. Meaning he could be "officially" above Marshal Calvi, the highest ranked Marleyan
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And he was trying to save her especially after he saw her parents bodies in front of him and decided to act quickly before it's too late
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It's been already 1 month since Attack on Titan Anime ended and this scene got stuck in my mind, easily one of my favourite sequences ever
It's also very realistic, tbh i can see myself living in 2070-2080 in a world full of wars like today but just more technologically advanced
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@AgkAztro
Recontexualizing a scene to fit in with a certain narrative that your trying to push regardless of how much sense it makes = good writing apparently.
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Aot fans when they realize that people remember and appreciate eren for what he actually was instead of what the writer tries to gaslight his audience into believing he is (psycho).
You gotta love how Eren is yassified and babied day in and day out
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@noctass
Eren wants freedom for everyone inside the walls who are innocent people who did nothing wrong, him going from his sense of justice of accomplishing freedom for innocent people to him killing innocent people for solely his own personal freedom is a contradiction
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It's funny how the only reason that people remember this anymore is to point out how twisted/Unhinged eren was instead of looking at it for what it is which is Eren putting his life in danger to save a girl that he never meet before
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Just because an author wrote a story in a certain way that the audience didn't like doesn't mean that the audience don't have the right to criticize his writing because essentially aot is a product and fans have a right to criticize that product.
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Yeah I too cannot see a scene of a kid saving a little girl from human trafficker who killed her parents in a heroic light tottaly makes sense
@shabb003
I never saw this scene in a heroic light. Erens facial expression is disturbing asf especially from mikasas pov
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