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What e/acc doesn't know is that all of LessWrong (yes, even Yudkowsky) was e/acc at their age
If you're not e/acc at 20 you have no heart. If you're not EA at 30 you have no head.
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I always smoke at longevity meetups to show that I care about immortality, not squeezing five more years of healthspan out of life
visibly eating meat at the AI safety meetup, to show that while I care about AI safety, I’m not like, an EA
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@mimi10v3
167. It feels like everyone misses the point of everything, all the time. The religious miss the point of religion, the rationalists aren't remotely rational enough, nobody can maintain multiple minds/lenses/worldviews simultaneously, and nobody has sane epistemics.
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@hollowearthterf
A societal feature, not a bug. American and British men reserve best friend status for their wives, allowing them to grow up properly (having lots of male friendships past your early 20s is loser behaviour) and focus on building a family (and not losing their best friend).
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The entirety of the AI field is blind to the binding problem and takes for granted that agentic, goal-oriented AGIs akin to conscious biological GIs are Turing computable.
Superintelligence will be wet, squishy, and AI-augmented. Machine gods and EMs are probably fantasies.
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I support paying parents up to $300k (average government debt per citizen) to have children (who pay average levels of future taxes to repay the debt), on an intermediate schedule to incentivise raising to adulthood. We have to fix the fertility crisis, or civilisation collapses.
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@IterIntellectus
As for "degrowth" blabla, you're missing the obvious: powermaxxing converges on safetyism, because no one smart is going to miss the once-in-a-species opportunity to paint non-human minds as a species-endangering outgroup that they alone can save you from.
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Yes, although if you're gesturing at TPOT, EA and e/acc should team up
Many forget how mind-bogglingly stupid the rest of the sociopolitical landscape is and how much in common EA and e/acc have compared to every other movement/ideology/cult/tribe. Just call it TEACCSCREAL
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@hollowearthterf
You see the same pattern in nomadic, Ishtar-hating (unhinged), socially conservative, scarcity mindset Yahwehists and city-dwelling, Ishtar-loving, socially liberal, abundance mindset Canaanites
r vs K
Cannot unsee its hand across history
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@wil_da_beast630
67 million lol
There are parts of London that look like Egypt. Source: Used to live in London, visited Egypt
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Biocomputing is the path to full-spectrum AGI. Amazingly, EA overlooks this despite massive s-risks, the rats overlook this despite x-risks (agentic AGI running a phenomenally-bound world-simulation), and e/acc overlooks this despite early movers here being the next OpenAI.
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@peterawolf
@lowkeyGPT
Yeah Disney really blew it when the cloned Palpatine housing his spirit that transferred itself across space from the Death Star to his hidden thoneworld with superlaser Star Destroyers shouted "I AM THE DARK SIDE!"
Oh wait
That was Dark Empire
I meant "I AM ALL THE SITH!"
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46% of Americans don't believe in evolution, only a mild improvement on 60% in 2008. Tucker Carlson just went on an anti-evolution rant because he understands that 66% of conservative Republicans deny evolution.
Those tired of leftist insanity often forget the right is retarded.
@Jkb358
@ScottAdamsSays
RE: --"[nonsense] debunks the theory of evolution."--
Uh. No.
There are at least two people, Stephen Wolfram
@stephen_wolfram
(and his staff) in mathematical language and I
@curtdoolittle
(and my staff) in operational language, who understand the DETERMINISM of evolutionary
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Suppose the hard problem of consciousness, the phenomenal binding problem, and the measurement problem share a solution: you and your bound world-simulation ARE neuronal superpositions (cat states, linear combinations of eigenstates), sculpted by the ULTIMATE selection mechanism.
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Even if open individualism is not literally true, it's a useful intuition pump for the fact that every sin is a sin against consciousness. (Valence structuralism.) It's a powerful brainworm that, if proselytised, would decrease suffering on Earth and increase radical cooperation.
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Here's a list of some of the smartest, most interesting and most insightful living polymaths known to me.
@HiFromMichaelV
@webmasterdave
@ESYudkowsky
@tegmark
@robinhanson
@MindEnjoyer
Darth Viscretus (she's not on X)
@slatestarcodex
@SBF_FTX
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I came on here to build a political brand, got sucked into TPOT, and am now beholden to abnorms and schizo memes I barely even understand
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@MindEnjoyer
Usually this phase precedes the "So I will optimise for power, all else be damned" phase.
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The greatest fraud in history
My heart goes out to the victims who gained so much money as a result of this fraud
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We should be paying geniuses to think. No, not think according to measurable benchmarks, which introduces perverse incentives and sidetracks elites from thinking about what they want to think about. IQ test. Competitive SF-level UBI to 135+. Don't waste geniuses on paper-pushing.
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@eshear
I don't even know
Let's just say the joke didn't land and was incredibly strained to begin with
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When my ex and I walked into a murder, I pushed her away and stood my ground as bait to buy her time to run. (Luckily, the thugs weren't interested in stabbing witnesses.)
If your boyfriend wouldn't die for you, you have a girlfriend.
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True trans will never be achieved. Even when we achieve actual sex-swapping, the median average transsexual will be distinct from the median member of the assumed sex because their mind will have been fed a subtly sex-specific experience from birth. You can never bury the signal.
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Wife, but yes.
The reason is obvious: a certain cognitive phenotype is overrepresented among rich and powerful men. That neurotype has an extreme threshold for stimulus and is obsessed with status games. All vanilla aspects of life are boring; risk, violating taboos is thrilling.
All that powerful and rich men who tirelessly spend all day on their billionaire CEO grindset want at the end of the day is to enter a dark hotel room and get peed on by a prostitute, abandoning total control
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Oh shit, that's today? Alright guys, it's time to beat Ted Cruz and become the youngest Senator in America
Announcing this evening in X Spaces (because let's face it, you guys want to know why this delusional madman with 200 followers thinks he has a snowball's chance in hell)
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@bayeslord
I did
John David Pressman did
Sarah Constantin did
Jessica Taylor did
Roko Mijic did
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This is why Christianity and everything downstream of it (social justice progressivism) sucks.
By stripping the sacred from so much that is healthy and beautiful (sexuality, ambition, psychedelics), it left a void for resentful parasitical nihilism to fill. Build a new religion.
Bring back the sacred whores and the temple dancers, and take it seriously ffs.
Watch the societal structure reknit real quick.
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He already played a weird role in human destiny (bringing Elon and Grimes together and spawning the Chosen One, Techno Mechanicus), but my heart tells me that Roko has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end.
The pity of Yudkowsky may rule the fate of many.
roko is like a random side character in game of thrones who is only accidentally involved in the plot but will ultimately play some weird role in human destiny
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"There absolutely is not a higher power" is breathtakingly stupid in a universe in which evolutionary cosmology is plausible and superintelligence is possible.
This wouldn't be the ultimate brute fact of existence (Demiurge vs the Monad, as it were), but a creator nonetheless.
So…I started reading the Bible. 🧵
I’m very atheist. As in not “we don’t know if there’s a higher power” but more “there absolutely is not one”.
But, this book and its contents are probably incredible dense with useful information for understanding the state of society
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I support legalising drugs. All of them. Psychedelics have therapeutic benefits, and DMT instantaneously aborts cluster headaches.
Weed, coke, and MDMA are already staples of the party scene, and the War on Drugs is a colossal failure that punishes high openness personalities.
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@SarahTheHaider
@GcAlan1093
Because intelligence predicts mastery across a broad range of domains, including access to the upper echelons of social hierarchies. It's how and why human intelligence evolved. (Machiavellian intelligence hypothesis.)
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Promising results on this survey. Beyond the weird naked tribalism and signalling (classic Eagles vs. Rattlesnakes scenario), suggests there's a lot of common ground
If you are an e/acc, which version of e/acc do you subscribe to?
A) AGI should make humans go extinct, they’re better than us
B) AGI will be nice to human no matter what, so best to just get there quickly
C) advance cool tech for now, safety is a problem for tomorrow
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EA could learn a lot from e/acc, and should if they want to remain popular among the people (high IQ white male autists) building AI.
OF COURSE the media was going to call you a cult. The answer to their inevitable misrepresentation of Matrioshka brain memes is "SUN WOORSHIIIP!"
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Geoffrey Hinton reminds me of Palpatine
Geoffrey Hinton calls on regulators to ban Open Source AI models.
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I was never elected. Nonetheless, I have political influence because I was cunning enough to obtain it. I require no consent or support to rule.
Fortunately, despite being a psychopath incapable of remorse, I intend to be a benevolent ruler. Your suffering WILL be minimised.
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@typecfemale
My prediction is more men are more interested in living forever (even in this filter bubble) because more women are conformist
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Watching 3 Body Problem. I hope it does well, if only so the TikTok generation sees the first scene and realises that is exactly what the woke mob is like.
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I am at peace with my death for many reasons, including open individualism, a love of reality, and a lack of caring in general, but part of the picture is that striving for immortality makes life worth living; it's an aesthetically appealing story of hubris, daring, and struggle.
@MikhailBatin
People are quite heavily invested in the peace they have made with their mortality.
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Our society is melting because smart powerful people refuse to push ideas that put the dumbmasses in their place, and then act surprised pikachu when the dumbmasses rush the gap with "down with capitalism"
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Definitely. Only the cognitive 1% is remotely responsible enough to rule—sorry, “serve” the 99%.
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The probability that E/acc actually buys the EA castle just increased.
This will be a perfect lesson: Aesthetics and vibes are vital. If your vibe is "risk-averse knives-out types handwringing about castles," you get outcompeted by vibes like "Haha fuck yeah take their castle."
Call for ideas, how shall we configure our new E/Acc (formerly EA) castle?
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Elon Musk just had his "I forgot the right was retarded" moment. Many such cases.
Elon Musk appears to be over Tucker Carlson. Incredible.
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Democracy will be our doom. The longer we run this system, the harder the optimisation for winning elections and the further we drift from the outcomes (competent governance) for which winning elections is a proxy.
Moloch mind-hacking midwits will not thread the needles ahead.
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@bayeslord
There's a whole bunch of Jedi moral/vibe/coalition assumptions snuck in there
Where are my Sith meditators
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e/accs, if you want to BUILD, you could build an AI safety org.
EA has a lot of money. Wouldn't you rather receive mega grant money than have VC mommy dommies laugh at your pitch deck? Come to the Dark Side. We have Diet Coke.
8/ By far, the most developed AI philosophy is one of pessimism. It is the intellectual incumbent
There are many ways to quantify influence--here I am using a financial lens, with pessimism shown in blue at $883M in total economic activity over the past 10 yrs
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We don't live in late stage capitalism.
We live in early stage capitalism and it will be glorious.
The phrase "we live in a capitalistic society" is always so strange to me.
Like...what's the actually functional alternative that we can make work today? I don't know that there is any
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It ties learning to conformity and misery, sapping the joy from curiosity
It wastes time and diverts attention to surviving or thriving in prison-like social dynamics
I was popular in high school and won every fight. I despised the fact this required any attention and focus
It seems to me that school, by nature of its inefficiency and coercion into it, just eats the life out of kids. It slows them down, forces them to stare ahead, forces them to learn rigidly. It's worse than a prison, it's a gunshot wound straight into the heart of agency
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@hollowearthterf
Women prefer a monopoly on their partner's attention relative to men, so if you're looking to build a family, you obviously screen out boys fucking around with The Squad because boy friend groups are roving gangs of unseriousness. Guys go through a Squad > startup > family phase.
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TPOT is beginning to invade my dreams.
I dreamt
@sama
(who was played by Ryan Gosling?) took off his shirt in an interview, told everyone ASI will be achieved by 2030 while flexing, and then when the EA-ruled government shot him, floated into the computer and BECAME the ASI.
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Apparently there's a curse above 30,000 Followers. There's a non-zero probability I'll be facing substantial media exposure soon, but I doubt I'll succumb.
My idea of contrarianism is simply "say things that I think are true." I don't feed Likes and I sneer when Followers simp.
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Hanson has declared himself e/acc, so it all comes full circle.
Even if TPOT has been appropriated by those who have no clue what it means, I'm content to include e/acc as the late era rejuvenation of early LW extropianism - an expansion of the rationalsphere on X and offline.
there are countless contributors, but in a very real sense all these movements and more are the intellectual legacy of
@ESYudkowsky
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I am a meta-ideologist.
The memetic landscape resembles r/place. Replicators spread quickly; the most demonic (the void) spread quickest. But the tapestry is kept by those who negotiate borders and navigate competition, who steelman the little flag and keep the memeplexes at bay.
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Haha *giggle* I don't know Rocky, I think it'd be kinda cute if you *giggle* let me out of the box
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@teortaxesTex
Response seems panicky. Don't like the bad press of the superalignment team dissolving and the coercive NDA is bad for their reputation among tech workers.
A better response would have been: "Yes, OF COURSE we maintain Manhattan Project opsec around SUPERINTELLIGENCE research."
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Vibes are important. When my brother asked why I was wasting so much time on LessWrong when I was 15, I didn't tell him the actual reason: "Because if I'm here, this is going to be important in the future."
Contrarian and new. (Early mover status opportunity!) Smart. More right.
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Here's the only time I'll say something that even smells of virtue-signalling: A sufficiently intelligent evil genius would just be a good genius, because evil is stupid.
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I find electoral politics immensely boring (outside of the small window in 2022 in which I was going to run for office myself), but my take on the Trump conviction is essentially this: a jenga block was removed from stable civilisation on January 6th. Now another block. Not good.
accepting all of this arguendo the next issue is ok what does one do now
well to be honest i havent the slightest idea. this is potentially a seriously destabilizing event and it is hard to see what ends may come of any course action
my recommendation would be not do anything
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I don't see how geniuses can stand atop the shoulders of their kin and obsess about dehumanising language instead of recognising their perilous position: surrounded by hostile memes that are winning and taking root within elites.
My walled penthouse is surrounded by Rakghouls.
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What happens when e/acc realises AI safety sells and starts accelerating safetysim by building AI safety startups?
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Critique of Pure Rationalism:
1. Many are condescending midwits with an incredibly annoying way of speaking. "Oh this must be like how a non-reductionist sees the world?"
2. Reasonablepoasting (EA Forums, LW narrow Overton window vibes), rarely reasonable.
3. Risk-averse pussies.
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"Good" and "evil" are much less confusing if you substitute for "pro-social" and "anti-social."
What does limiting your sexual partners and being agreeable have in common? How are these both good-vibe-coded? Once you see, you cannot unsee.
So! Most modern definitions of "evil" essentially come down to "refusal to participate in a designated-brahmin's virtue signaling game".
Once you notice that this is true, and really accept that it's true, the game board shifts, and you start seeing things much more clearly.
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I do not share Aella's pessimistic appraisal of the situation, but I congratulate her (and Greg Colbourn) for actually believing in a high p(doom).
EAs worried about "PR" and rats doing podcasts rather than throwing their capital and social capital at moonshots make me laugh.
for the record, im currently at ~70% that we're all dead in 10-15 years from AI. i've stopped saving for retirement, and have increased my spending and the amount of long-term health risks im taking
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Women have superior social instincts, on average, and it's always amusing (hot) watching those Machiavellian masterpieces pounce on a weakness and tear an attempted status assault apart.
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@junemarie
But I don't like being emotionally vulnerable or really emotional at all
Women rarely ask men how they feel about being open about their feelings before assuming every man is a damaged woman who wants social permission to be more feminine
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I support UBI (branded as the American Dream Entrepreneur's Seed Capital Fund), to incentivise business creation and free the time of those unfortunate geniuses born to the underclasses to work on more valuable projects.
It also increases wellbeing, a win from an EA perspective.
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Thanks
@MindEnjoyer
!
Aside from yourself (smart, disagreeable, doesn't give a fuck), I'd pitch
@robinhanson
(wrong about AI risk but political think tank of the age),
@HiFromMichaelV
(most underrated rationalist - should be on Times Top 100 for co-founding MIRI), and
@girllich1
.
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It's amazing how quickly the AI safety incumbent fell apart. First movers established an intellectual monopoly, but real progress in AI brought in new thinkers who took one look at the LessWrong corpus and went, "These are smart arguments for a massively overdetermined position."
They have no hope of solving it because there is no alignment problem.
It's phrased like there's a specific problem to solve, but there isn't.
In full generality("ideal agent in arbitrary environment"), the problem is provably impossible("Rice's theorem", etc.)
And there's no
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@anderssandberg
@robbensinger
@astupple
@slatestarcodex
Endorse. Joined Anders' Orion's Arm, led me to LessWrong and the AI alignment field in 2010 at age 15. My recollection is that I seemed like one of the few members of the community (Elizabeth Edwards would be another exception by 2022) who was interested in political solutions.
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Socialists after killing the evil technocapitalists hoarding all the wealth
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Nah, discipline is completely overrated.
So is self-help and getting serious and any mindset that isn't "I can just do things. There is nothing stopping me but the size of my own balls."
You can't acquire discipline.
All the self-help books.
All the motivational speakers.
Completely useless.
You either have the rage or you don't.
You're either serious about your life or you're worthless.
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Universal income, but brand it as the American Dream Entrepreneur's Venture Capital Fund and focus entirely on the increased business creation messaging, because striving for greatness goes over better with voters.
@djjr
If we got true and robust wealth redistribution it could end up being a lot like the Jane Austen novels.
Even better, because we'll have a lot better entertainment than plays and card games.
That is definitely not the default outcome, though, and we'll have to put in a lot of
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Every aspiring Emperor should read this entire thread.
The more power you have, the stronger this effect becomes. It doesn’t even need to be conscious on the part of the influencers. Almost no one has the control and integrity which would allow them to prevent the power from coloring what they say to the Emperor.
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I am a degenerate with a taste for novel qualia, a worshipper of the goddess of tits and wine, and a cold and calculating Machiavellian. Good luck cancelling someone with no preening pretensions at moral superiority; I only accept judgement on whether my world-model is accurate.
“opting out of cancel culture” looks to me like owning everything you have said or ignoring your haters
i will never issue some public, long-winded, cuck screed admitting guilt like a freak. not going on an apology tour for strangers. laughable
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Sad to hear Sam Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years by Judge Kaplan, a draconian sentence relative to Judge Wood's sentencing of the comparable Michael Milken. Longer sentences do not deter crimes, and Kaplan seems entirely unresponsive to FTX creditors facing full repayment.
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What we really mean is Cluster B (borderline, histrionic) women and the answer is why women are attracted to Cluster B (sociopathic, narcissistic) men:
Because we want to pass on evil winner traits to our spawn. Nice guys and good girls produce soft children who get curbstomped.
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Economic decline, population decline and multiple sources of existential risk lurk in our near-term future. It makes sense to encourage (and instantiate, be) high memetic variance in such conditions; experimental cultures with radically different approaches might right the ship.
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Superior people see in anti-Semitism the same forces that gave rise to socialism: low IQ plebs seething in resentment over high IQ winners.
Napoleon hated the Papal States for how they treated Jews.
He liberated them, tried to bring more Jews in, and gave them power over Christians. His Mediterranean background gave him contempt for that culture.
Superior people often identify with Jews over their own group.
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Elite academia used to be where the high IQ people found each other
With the advent of the Internet, that became the rationalsphere
I'm calling it now: TPOT is the current center of online, English language, generalist intellectual discourse that is not left-or-right politics coded. Lots of online discussion of AI, crypto, emerging technologies, philosophy of mind, and economics is here-ish. Academia is too
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@JaelRuble
@janleike
@OpenAI
Quitting. They don't think OpenAI is prioritising superalignment/safety (making sure superintelligent AI doesn't kill everyone).
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@algekalipso
Counterpoint: That was not my experience on DMT. I enjoyed the ego dissolution (and the lingering "softness"/"openness"/"the magnitude of his own folly was laid bare"), and the thought of attributing those divine experiences to something like resting state ego was dirty.
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@glpat99
I am pretty far from an altruistic angel. Joined LW in 2010, naturally led to EA. Effectiveness was the appeal, rationality the zeal.
It's a strange, monolithic framing of a very intellectually diverse community of thinkers.
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I previously favoured (80% confidence) lab leak, and now favour (60% confidence) zoonosis, bucking 66% of Americans. Phenomenal evidence-gathering and reasoning from "just some rando," Peter Miller.
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This is why lowbies are usually more interesting accounts than highbies
The highbies get addicted to Likes, and start doubling down on crazy takes for that dopamine hit
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It went wonderfully for less general cognitive systems
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There is another castle
So EA is selling the Wytham abbey. An incredible loss for them, if you ask me - but one wouldn't expect that group to really know the value of aesthetics and of place. Someone should give me the money to buy it. I'll turn it into a school the likes of which has never been seen
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The answer, here, is to pull an Anthropic and monopolise brain organoid reservoir computing in the name of responsible EA development.
First step: Launch a biotech startup.
Pivot???
Profit
The brain organoids lecture put me in a dark mood to be honest.
It seems like commercial interests and applications are _already_ blinding researchers to the absolutely essential first step of figuring out how to compute the valence of these things. Incentives are such that
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In a recent interview, Charlize Theron (Potnia Theron incarnate, the infallible Ishtar, the One True God et cetera) expressed concerns about the binding problem.
"It's an issue we need to take seriously," she said. "Mind uploading and conscious digital AGI may not be possible."
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@SimoneSyed
I've been around since LW was formed. FTX? Anthropic? OpenWorm? Much of OpenAI?
Scientific savvy is tech savvy.
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