Here we go again...
- Economic crisis in the '70s
- Walt gone, the company's money allocated mostly to 2 (soon to be 3) theme parks
- Director Wolfgang Reitherman personally enjoyed reusing animation
- It's still hard work to trace those exact movements and still look well-done
Customers destroyed the Ember piece at my theater, so now ‘Elemental’ looks like the sad story of a lonely guy who pretends he’s got a date. Garfield without Garfield energy.
Now that ‘Spider-Verse’ is out, here’s the next animated feature to get hyped up for, visually: Sergio Pablos’ ‘Klaus’, out next Christmas on Netflix. Somethin’ new, a 2D/CG feature.
‘COYOTE VS ACME’ is now expected to be shelved and deleted forever.
Warner Bros wanted $75M - $80M for the film and rejected offers from Netflix, Amazon & Paramount, refusing to let them counter-offer.
(Source: )
Put yourself in the shoes of animators and animated movie crew members for a second, if you’re for whatever reason celebrating the cancelling of the near-done ‘Scoob!’ follow up.
I guess that
Coyote vs. ACME
Scoob! Holiday Haunt
Salem’s Lot
Final Space
infinity Train
Batgirl
etc.
Don’t fit the bill of “pure storytelling”, eh David?
Deadline reports that studios are not marketing musicals as musicals because “test-audience focus groups generally hate musicals and the only way to get people into the theater with one is to trick [them].”
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Like, just google search, fellas. Instead of positing that your "childhood was a lie" or that Disney are all lazy bastards, read up a little bit on why Disney had to resort to recycling animation for some of their films. (There was even some recycling during the Walt years, too.)
Shame on the trades for taking Musker's actual words out of context, and trying to paint him - the fucking director of 'The Little Mermaid' and 'Moana' - as some anti-w0ke person.
John Musker, the animated filmmaker behind "The Little Mermaid," "Aladdin" and more, called out the Walt Disney Company for prioritizing political messaging over story in recent films.
“I think they need to do a course correction a bit in terms of putting the message secondary,
That "heading"... An appreciation post for Jorgen Klubien, who was the actual originator of 'Cars', not John Lasseter. Who pretty much stole it, almost wholesale, from Klubien. Then he fired Klubien from Pixar, Klubien subsequently got little compensation, and next to no credit.
@JeffMovieMan
Yes. For all their faults, Disney is more or less just adding nothing new or exciting to the menu and serving the same dishes at the restaurant.
WBD is taking the meal while you’re eating it, throwing it in the trash, and calling it a “tax write off”.
Amidst the 'Wish' discourse and people comparing it to 'Paperman'/'Feast', I'd actually like to see a WDAS movie where they channel the weirder and funkier character design of Leo Matsuda's short 'Inner Workings'.
Oh wait, twitter screamed those designs off the cliff one time.
This is my boomer moment: Go back to design and aesthetic that had identity and flare, not this bland corporate hollowness that calls itself “minimalist” or whatever.
All this Mickey/public domain stuff makes me think of the Soviet Winnie the Pooh cartoon made at Soyuzmultfilm in 1969...
Like, it shows what cool, creative, and dynamic things you can do with these kind of characters, other than just "hurr hurr what if they killed ppl???"
Feeling sorry for the crew that worked about 3 years on this one. Who knew the decisions they made on the movie a while ago would be up against circumstances beyond their control, and losers in the replies cheering on its losses.
Warner Bros could gain these film/TV rights if they merge with Paramount:
• Dora
• GI Joe
• TMNT
• Star Trek
• Terminator
• PAW Patrol
• SpongeBob
• Yellowstone
• Transformers
• The Godfather
• Mission Impossible
• Paranormal Activity
• Avatar The Last Airbender
Pixar will undergo significant layoffs in 2024.
As many as 20% of employees could be laid off but Pixar says the number is still to be determined.
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@ZakaZ96
Their enthusiasm to keep doing 2D features, from what I’ve heard, was dead a while before that. The production was born in part because of a weird whim - it being an attempt to reboot WTP - they were on at the time, and it ended up being a WDAS film.
'The Book of Life', on top of being a delightful and fun movie, was absolutely a big leap forward to the current exciting experimentation we're seeing in feature CG animation. It's on Disney+ now, and more people could be introduced to it! I really recommend it.
8 decades ago today...
In my book, one of the greatest films and an animation triumph, Walt Disney and his great artists at their apex, a grand experiment... Happy 80th Anniversary, ‘Fantasia’!
Hot take? In terms of the features, I'd say that 'One Hundred and One Dalmatians' was the closest Disney got to a UPA-style picture for the era, and I continue to adore its looser, contemporary style. Happy 60th Anniversary to this long-time favorite of mine:
A judge is allowing 9,000 women to sue Disney for pay disparity
"Disney has been gaslighting these women for four years. They love their jobs ... But they want to be respected and treated the way they should be in the workplace"
Oh wow, literally just learning right now that WBD cancelled 'Bye Bye Bunny' and the animators were laid off, and a belated 'Constantine' sequel is being announced, I guess to divert attention. Wow... they just keep javelin-spearing animation, don't they?
"I'm not seeing some cartoon Spider-Man."
Said by someone who likely paid to see the movie where Tom Hardy sits in a restaurant tank eating live lobsters.
Impossible. The movie's out in less than a year, typically the voice acting comes first, especially w/ animation as Herculean as this series. ATSV/Beyond started as a big epic, so I'd imagine most of her dialogue that's in Beyond was originally recorded for a much longer ATSV.
Regarding 'Inside Job'... At this point, it's clearer and clearer to me that some of these executives think that animation is done at the push of a key! And then when they realize it isn't, and they can't just crank it out like - say - Cocomelon, then they don't wanna know.
I have never worked on an animated feature before, but I'd be pretty hurt/miffed if I spent over a year contributing to something of that size. All that work, dedication, hours put in... Only to have it jettisoned for arbitrary reasons totally out of my or anyone else's control.
“Animation is art! Animation is a medium! Animation is cinema!
… Also, don’t go and see this mid movie. Screw everyone who worked on it and the roofs they have to keep over their heads, amirite???”
As I often parrot from other, more articulate folks... Star Wars ain't Marvel, you can't belt a ton of 'em at once at audiences, they need time to digest each movie. Spacing them out is a great idea, IMO.
Usually, movies made when a transition in leadership happens at a studio get some kind of short-end of the stick. Usually it's the movie being released w/o much fanfare, but at least it's STILL released in some form. Not the Zas, he just locks stuff away.
Loser behavior.
Guillermo del Toro's speech on animation, and the one he's been saying again and again this whole season, will **never** sway those who don't see animation as legitimate.
But it WILL influence many up-and-coming minds, future film nerds, and artists. So, glad he's saying it.
This is why it’s okay to get offended when people disrespect animation.
4 years, hundreds of artists pouring their heart and soul into these things, only for you to call it “just a cartoon” or “kiddie stuff” or say it’s inferior to live-action.
Cool that he said it, so bluntly at an awards show of this size. It's not gonna change anything in anyone over - say - 35, but it will reach a generation that is still open to seeing the medium as true cinema. It's all nice nonetheless.
Currently keeping busy despite all the moving-in anxieties.
I made an edit for 'Lightyear' that I always wanted to make since seeing the movie... For a movie within a movie '80s-style sci-fi pic, I thought I'd give it an opening to match!
I would argue that 'Ice Age' played an important part in innovation in computer animated films. I'll elaborate on that eventually, but I can trace a lot of progression back to that film - which was unique to Pixar and PDI's work in its embrace of cartoonier design and gags.
Chapek's aggressive pivot to streaming helped hurt these movies at the box office, but they seemed to live decent second lives on Disney+.
It's the tradition, in a weird way... Bomb in theaters, but find a new life and maybe be a prominent part of the library in some other way?
3/4-completed movies being scrapped, just. like. that... Millions of $ wasted... That's not an indicator of a functioning system and market. It doesn't make sense, and it never will, no matter how much mumbojumbo "reasoning" ya pelt at me. It's all complete hogwash.
Back in the 90's, The Simpsons made fun of America and the world. Did things that were out there because it's seem to fit the animated world.
Now 33 years later, the world is becoming to like The Simpsons
Now take it back. Sony never cancelled the Genndy Popeye movie in favor of Emoji. Genndy's vision of Popeye was put on ice many months before Tony Leondis shopped his emoji movie pitch around, which TWO OTHER studios - WB and Paramount - wanted to option before Sony won the bid.
Animation is cinema, animation can be anything- BUT it has to be a specific kind of cool that **I** personally like, or else I deem your film that took about 4 years to make "mid", and maybe your whole studio a failure for that matter while worshiping another one.
"You don’t have to exclude agendas, but you have to first create characters who you sympathize with and who are compelling."
That's what he said. He meant, just make the characters good first. "Message"/theme/political leanings have to be organically woven in.
Richard Williams’ dazzling and elaborate approach to animation has always excited me and it never fails to blow my mind, and what he has done for the medium will inspire generations. A legend has left the living. RIP...
I don’t know, I think calling the visuals in the original ‘Toy Story’ “bad” is harsh. That’s like saying 1995 SNES or early PS1 graphics are bad. Unlike hand drawn or hand painted imagery, CGI and graphics arguably inherently have an aging problem. Not the artists’ fault, at all.
Nah, not gonna do this "one gotta go" animation studios thing. They're all filled with talented folks, they always have potential, and I don't like the idea that an animation studio inherently doesn't make satisfactory films.
As long as the world remains unsafe and tons of people keep creating variants/mutations, each one worse than the last, this will keep happening. As will more cutting back of other fun things we used to go out and go do, pre-outbreak.
Ever think about how 'Lego Movie 2' just had this great message that said "being so crass and unpleasant doesn't make you mature or grown-up" and lots of people mostly avoided it?
It doesn't matter how good or bad 'Coyote vs. Acme' supposedly is. People worked years on that thing, it's harmless, and it shouldn't be locked away for good by people who didn't make it? How is this even remotely a debate?
@misterduby
I had thought of that a few times, was wondering if it'd be period-accurate (like 'Finding Dory', set in 2004, was) or would be more "whatever" in its timeline. Which is also okay with me.
I would hate to be an animator/artist working for Illumination… because if I had to open twitter and read that my past work is “effortless” or inherently bad or whatever, yeah, it’d hurt a bit.
Lol half of animation criticism on twitter is basically "All animated movies must be like [insert current popular beloved-by-all-of-filmtwitter movie here] or [insert past favorite here]"...
Almost beginning to think they want it to be... A GENRE.
When The Dark Knight Rises was coming out in summer 2012, RT disabled user comments on the individual reviews because of people being foaming a-holes.
With Captain Marvel arriving, RT disables pre-release user reviews. Same reason.
Comic book movies, mannnnnnn...
I don’t know if it’ll happen, but if this strike somehow reverses David Zaslav’s erasing of stuff like ‘Final Space’ and ‘Scoob! Holiday Haunt’ as “tax write offs”, that would be fantastic.
@Ranting_Trans
In a less terrible word, I put on a dress and happily think “yeah, this feels cool! It looks nice on me!”
And in this world, random people call for me to be killed or shoved back into “the closet”.
@TerryWatkinsJr1
I feel like most people on this bird-app are conditioned by T/rumpian-style politics, throw-the-punches "get shit done" nonsense, and for whatever reason want to see politics as a big entertaining fight and not the boring grueling slow work that it is.
One of these days, someone who worked on these logos will share some fun facts. Remember, Defunctland did a whole epic on the 4-second Disney Channel jingle, so anything’s possible?
This one’s packed every weekend, almost every day it seems, at the theater I work at. I see some people on here are bringing out the ol’ “Disney’s buying the tickets” chestnut from Captain Marvel times, but no, it really *is* doing that well. Legs mean it all to me.
Is
#Pixar
’s
#Elemental
morphing into
#PussInBoots
of SUMMER at US
#BoxOffice
?
Excellent 2.6M 5th FRI, just -13.1% drop from last FRI (vs
#Lightyear
’s 408k, -56.6%) for a 119.2M US cume,beating Lightyear as
#Disney
’s highest grossing toon Post-Covid.
Eyeing a 8.5M-10M 5th weekend
Wondering if this not only leads to a ton of video game movies, but also… more legacy character movies. As in, it kicks Disney’s arse into finally making a theatrical Mickey Mouse feature film. It’d be an easy billion for them.
“Will & Harper,” a heartfelt and heartbreaking documentary about Will Ferrell's cross-country road trip with his best friend Harper Steele, who recently came out as transgender, sold to Netflix after its Sundance Film Festival debut.
Financial terms of the pact were not
@BluDragonGal
I self published my webcomic, so that’s good to know that I made the right choice. Always felt iffy about posting to a platform like that right out of the gate.
The suggestion that Pixar is nothing without John Lasseter and the members of his “Brain Trust” I’m seeing in this thread and elsewhere is so absurd. That’d be like saying the filmmakers of the Disney Renaissance were insignificant because Walt & the Nine Old Men weren’t around.
#Nimona
! Has it all, really: it’s punk, it’s queer, really cool worldbuilding, gorgeous to look at, often a real riot, a finger in the eye to institutional garbage and misinformation- on top of capturing beautifully what it’s like to be othered. Caps off Pride with a bang.
An animated film entering development at WB is like entering a haunted house. You have the chance of getting out, so long as the monster lurking in the shadows doesn't get you!
Watch out, for the Zaslav might catch you. Make it out alive.
Bill Hader to Star in Warner Bros.’ Animated ‘The Cat in the Hat’: The new film, set to release in 2026, will also star Quinta Brunson, Bowen Yang, Xochitl Gomez, Matt Berry, and Paula Pell; DNEG will...
#WarnerBrosAnimation
#TheCatInTheHat
#BillHader
Klubien's cool, though. He worked on several Disney animated features, from 'Little Mermaid' to 'Lion King'. He also worked on 'Nightmare Before Christmas', several films at several others studios, and even was the lead singer of a rock band in his home country!
Apparently there have been huge cuts going on at DreamWorks including my entire former department?? Part of a push to outsource everything and avoid dealing with the union?
To a wonderful, absolutely limitless medium with limitless potential... My medium of choice, my path, one of my favorite things in the world...
#HappyWorldAnimationDay