We need banner for collective diversity
Collectives must be consentual not restrict others' rights
Please don't use your collective to derrogate treaty rights
@lisamarie1711
@scousepie
Disability inclusion is the antithesis of the medical model of disability
If a “clinical” guild, seems to be offering a carrot
Look out for the stick
They trade on exclusion, segregation, gatekeeping & blaming exclusion on impairment
trade in “normal”
@jboyded
@NoMoreStigmaMH
@finley_tobin
But Pell will continue to maintain his position, he is not a registered sex offender. He will have access to children. And the high court has lost the trust of a large number of people for playing mental gymnastics over the definition of "reasonable doubt".
@Pristine_tee
@MuslimThoughts1
No they have to be willing to listen.
If the person trying to communicate has to do all the work it's usually a lost cause, someone who really wants to understand will ask questions, clarify, try to understand what's being said.
@DrJessTaylor
Yeeeaaahhh...you might wanna have a few chats with the
#ActuallyAutistic
community before you go making assumptions on the complexity around neurodivergence/neurodiversity
@DrJessTaylor
Mind yr subcultures mate
Bless.
@MetisRebel
@megaholt
@packetogre
@JustSalu
It's worse than that often unfortunately. SA victims in UK have been having *their* phones confiscated so police can investigate *them* & try to discredit their reports. And in Aust let's not forget what came out at kids in care RC, for example, cops using kids to make porn. 😟
Yesterday, attacked by a group of random strangers for speaking about harm done to me by forced Psychiatry, restriction of support forced under medical model. Violence. Today intense feelings of pain & worthlessness. Why do people attack others & deny what they've been through?
@shhhimdead
@KTenpas
@ERnurse86
Sorry did I miss the part where somewhere along the line we all just decided that women cook for men again now - WTAF?
Why does the c word make his own f word spaghetti?
I don’t GAF whether he likes Nigerian or Italian learn to cook it’s not 1800
@ItbeginswithZ
@MeanderingPark
Ugh, I have heard a few different explanations from NTs :
1. “I was angry, people say things they don’t mean when they are angry”
2. “I was saying how I felt in the moment, but I said it to resolve the issue, not to make it come true for all time”
@aclientfirst
It's revational
DB is phenomenal
Being able to be fully yelled at like that, stay calm, stuck to the facts next to two, openly aggressive white women who are openly trying to intimidate her, while trying to sell "politicians don't lie"
@YouAreLobbyLud
This is dangerous nonsense they are peddling.
Israel opened its borders at 80% Vax on over 12s
& Then had to *shut them again and they are still shut with a local traffic light system for local lockdowns*
Making absurd decisions that kill people is not in public interest
@XonX78
The $33 bn includes Medicare and other shared benefits programs mate
It’s the 6% (33/521 bn) of annual SHARED funding that it was estimated Indigenous communities can access - meaning 94% of govt shared funding ONLY goes to nonIndigenous communities- hence “the gap”
@forestvanslyke
If the society was neurodiverse, and had advanced systems of discussion relating to what was genuinely design for universal inclusion: then they wouldn’t struggle, bc they would also be universally included.
If a new conformity of structural exclusion was established…
@DaveDavos2
@RightsLGBTI
So what is your problem with Dave?
Her charity Jiliya doesn’t get any public funds (not that it would matter if it did , plenty of charities do, just check ACNC website)
Seems you have a problem with Dr Westerman’s looks and the fact she’s Indigenous
& your own prejudices?
@MeGminor
But also: how can anyone recover from the after-effects of protracted, often systemically entrenched, traumatic circumstances when the circumstances remain unaddressed & constant re-traumatistion is occurring?
Therapy doesn’t address the behaviour of others or provide safety
@KateEmerson88
Ouch
No Kate that’s not it
It implodes in itself horribly
Maybe it’s more just a recognition that all humans can fall into the same pitfalls of evil?
Like killing pp on basis of race, religion, nationality etc? (Genocide)
It’s a human extremity of evil to avoid ?
@D_M_Clark_
@IndigoDaya
@AllenFrancesMD
I don't think he even realises that people are not burdens. He actually perceives that people are burdens and tells them to perceive themselves as such with zero awareness.
@AllenFrancesMD
's attitudes place a burden no person should have to carry. A human in distress is no burden
@jamesldowns
It’s allowed
Anything you find personally helpful is allowed
Accepting that other people do not find it helpful doesn’t require conforming to them
Everyone finds different things helpful or harmful
@ItbeginswithZ
@MeanderingPark
I guess I can see how those could factor into vagueness/feelings affecting logic so the apparently ckear words were actually ambiguous
But don’t understand whyblaming person who took words at face value, that part grates bc assumes “should have known” or “this treatment is fair”
@spacecadet629
kind of like a cloud that doesn't need all the cognitive abstraction and can just be without any drama
self awareness as cognition constantly peddling to understand the drama of dysregulation to negotiate or avert crisis after crisis is always exhausting
clouds have it easy
@thepetitioner
@MorrisonBeth
If it were not a disabled child you would surely call police? 😔🤨
The casual violence towards children and adults with Disabilities is not acceptable
Nor is the tacit acceptance of it
When will we see a true push against this?
@Strogg1959
Strogg, mate
Dr Westerman’s a highly accomplished PhD in psychology who built an institute from scratch with no funding to train more psychologists in a paradigm of trauma healing that she collaborated with lived experience to develop to make sure it meets real needs
@MetisRebel
@megaholt
@packetogre
@JustSalu
do agree with respect to ensuring crime is a crime. But when dealing w/ the reality of a culture such as ours has become, that's a seriously extensive task of unearthing & countering corruption 😟
@lisa63artist
@IndigoDaya
It's also termed as "managing risk"
By families/community
As well as staff
It all ties in together
Broken society that can't connect with emotion/pain/metaphor/
spirituality/complexity/panick etc
It tries to punish it away
Then denies that's what it's doing
@annamac987
@Kristal33924867
@TracyWesterman
‘Tony Abbott has shrugged off the decision to close 150 Western Australian remote Indigenous communities, saying the taxpayer should not have to fund people’s “lifestyle choices”.’
what’s your ‘source’ for Abbott “tried to understand how best to help”?
I wonder,if people were socialised to regard "psychosis" as a person who is immersed in own inner language, as in a dream, and needs to be safe and heard and understood, as opposed to being taught the person "delusional" or having "false beliefs" would that change things?
@ClearAutism
There was a whole thread where people talked about being told off for asking why
And there was mostly all people agreeing in how it messed them up
But one person who was determined to upset the entire thread by saying that kids should be taught it’s rude to ask why
@TracyWesterman
The violence of racism happens on so many levels. It’s systemic violence, emotional, physical, routine, systematic, carried out by a very large group.
It means most people in the large group never need to lift a finger in direct violence.
Violence is outsourced to institutions
@JDaviesPhD
That its a list of treatable disorders which need to be identified, & treated
I wonder what life would be like if we didn't look at distress as an individual flaw to be corrected, able to understand it in context? as community? feels like a different world, one I yearn for
@ibnShibShib
@MaxGoldsmith6
@aclientfirst
The DSM claims to be "etiology free" with some exceptions, eg, "PTSD".
However, in practice, it is not & it is based on the -arguably unsound- assumption that the way in which a person appears on the outside to a biased diagnostician will point to the best response
@AllenFrancesMD
That is an actual example of what not to say to persons feeling
#suicidal
. Actually in advice given. Look it up. People are *not* burdens to others, alive or dead. You just overtly reinforced the message "you are a burden" & the shame of that message, when it's not even true
@nzgirl15
@michaelhallida4
@JaneCaro
@inxanadudid
@GodlessApe_
Scientists are taught to take nothing on faith , that life is complex and beyond our meagre capacity ti understand do hold all theories and ideas lightly as they are only models at best not reality
A scientist never reads another’s work as fact always to follow the reasoning
@KleinRevd
@RonniSalt
@BillBillshaw
@stuartrobertmp
You just made my day
@RonniSalt
💜🙏
Will you have a department of narrative and high end comms?
I'm hoping to apply for an internship to learn about logical reasoning structure
or is planning for this to be an outsourced capability?
@ibnShibShib
@MaxGoldsmith6
@aclientfirst
Being sad, miserable, and feeling hopeless & despondent because of circumstances that are real & ongoing therefore does not really align with a medical ideology of "depression".
However, most people who are despondent usually do have good reasons to be so my personal view
@sheryl992
@MakMayek
@JanineBliss
Is not just police. Give anyone power without accountability and they become addicted to power. Its not like "drunk" its more like a physical drug dependency. They need you to do what they say and they will be violent if you do not. They also set narrative.
@MrMagoo92023
@Lyshrose
@jackmdavenport
I cant believe I am reading that there is draft legislation to protect sex offenders against “animosity”
🤯
WTAF?
Since when is animosity against sex offenders a bad thing ?
Do we need to worry about there being pedos & pedo sympathisers in parliament now 😞
@eco_evo_nerd
@MystiqueHoops
@AutisticCallum_
It's also not direct evidence of what they said: it's your account of what they said & they can deny it
People can misunderstabd emails too, but at least there's room to clarify
It's very frustrating not to have what they said in writing.
@ClinPsySussex
Why do we still think there is something bad or wrong about vulnerability/fragility?
Aren't all humans vulnerable & fragile?
Isn't that why some are so afraid of it & try to pretend they aren't?
When they are?
Because all humans are?
I thought that denial was the bigger problem..
@ProfLAppleby
Dear Mr Appleby,
I too am part of a bereaved family.
Many people are.
There isn't an "anti-medicine cult"
This is heartbreaking divide-and-conquer strategy.
There are people who have been harmed by drugs, you know that.
#UNCRPD
Article 12, General comment No. 1
@autisticats
Just like to point out that treating an abled person in that way would be considered a breach of their rights to bodily integrity.
Imagine a video of an abled person being treated exactly the same way while actively saying "no"
It would be recognised as abuse.
1/
@RonniSalt
the concern I have is that some injustice is bipartisan.
Fact checking isn't as simple as assuming academics can check.
Some things people can fact check themselves, like what was said in specific official, public domain documents or recordings
But most news is about people
@autisticats
People with disabilities are routinely treated as non human, subjected to things that violate rights abled people hold dear and inviolable to themselves. Are deprived of the means to uphold those rights. Then demonized for defending themselves. It is a vicious cycle. 2)2
@JulieThinx
@IndigoDaya
@NatsforDocs
But in need, surely of having the right to say what helps or not?
In need to be understood?
In need not to be told what they are thinking or detained and forced psychotropics?
@DrEvgenyLegedin
You want to keep your boot on someone else’s neck bc if you take it off there might be a boot on yours and no roof over your head and no food in your belly?
But you can’t just admit that bc you know it’s happening to lots of others so why should you be above that risk?
New coalition soon to be starting regarding human rights in Psychosocial Disability.
Thanks to the awesome
@_d_a_n_i_e_l__b
and
@PsychVictims
Really looking forward to this ♥️♥️
@nashbrown_17
@AmberlynWhite
Except, the description encompasses other neurodivergence as well, and also pp from other cultures sometimes, and well basically anyone. I didn’t have a definition for “neurotypical “ before, bc I don’t think there is one. This is describing the children I grew up around
@BifInMediasRes
'anti-stigma' indirectly promotes coercive and discriminatory practices, doesn't advance genuine equity, diversity and inclusion but further entrap all into a medical model - widening the gap between psychosocial and other disabilities
like 'anti-litter'
@EveSimmns
Wow
@EveSimmns
You just said that a documentary unpacking harms of anti-depressants harms you?
And is “irresponsible “
Bc you “rely” on them?
Do you mean you suffer from dependency and start experiencing withdrawal syndrome of you miss a dose, change or taper ?
@ibnShibShib
@MaxGoldsmith6
@aclientfirst
All of responses are based on idea of "intervention" to try to change a person individually, because it is assumed individual is "dysfunctional" & needs to be fixed. Even PTSD assumes the trauma is in the past & the individual is "dysfunctional" for being distressed in present
Going to try and ignore horror of conversation w/ outright abusive psychiatrist & be grateful for all the other lovely people around today.
Still hoping we find a way to unite, something has to be done about medical abuse.
Think themselves beyond accountability & it's terrifying.
@jaime_coy
@talk2spirit
@hennesseemusic
tried for years to tell frontline "Mental Health professionals" and ambulance staff & police that attend a callout first & most important principle need to learn is no matter what state of mind person is in, they need to present themselves so as that person *wants* their support
@YouAreLobbyLud
Nor is it in economic interests of populations going on at full steam with no sick days.
To send us into chaos.
If NSW getting inumbers down why not use a good thing better & get to zero? Don't tell me even mining not better off long term without disease in enclosed spaces 🙄
@anna_rebowska
I suspect bc “neurotypical” pp conform to nasty norms of “punching down” and “fawning up”
I don’t think neurotypical neurotype is naturally occurring
But an artefact of a deeply dysfunctional social cataclysm
In which wisdom of ages got wiped out by Ignorance & power-jostling
@HeadlessHenArts
@jessay
@Tarasauruswreck
@olireiv
@ScrimshawsFire
@DrJessTaylor
I think we we need to find a way stop letting these professions throw us around like footballs, gatekeep our access to support & accommodations & dictating what they are: based on "intervention" & not support & claims they are "experts" on us.
Enough we have a ratified Convention
@AlackaSpooner
@criprights
@karlinethegreat
I'm dumbfounded by this government, they keep advertising on the radio that type 1 diabetics will get their glaucometers subsidised (but not type 2) & saying "it's a standard of living many of them would never have felt possible" WTAF?
It's a necessary survival tool
@jaime_coy
@talk2spirit
@hennesseemusic
Very grateful for this thread, but how do we keep the conversation going. Once we all agree on the points made so far, how do we move forward with solutions?
I have been placed on innumerable "treatment orders" which mean forced drugging & internment, by violence if refused
@Jolanda04
@blakandblack
@Emperors_Tailor
for most pp on the boot side, not the neck it steps on side are all upheld by “that class of people would not do that” which is a short hop from “anyone who says they would it did is paranoid or lying”
@rwillowfish
So well said
Your eloquence makes my lack of it easier to bear
You say it so well and so true
Going back and forth with changing views is a huge part of processing trauma and adversity
We don't know how to make sense or move forward
Of course we wiggle as we find our way 💜
It’s not because everyone doesn’t matter
It’s because at the end of the day people have been living in dog eat dog
Kill or be killed
Be the boot not the neck
For thousands of years
only know how to try to survive that
@BoudicaThe
@looneyfox1
I am tired of this self justifying rhetoric
I never see these staff striking in refusal to continue because they are routinely mistreating those they purport to care for, only over their own pay.
It’s nonsense & Im not buying it now or ever. Go away.
Part of me keeps wondering- if Vienna hadn’t rejected Freud’s collaborative work with survivors- would psychiatry have gone down the detour it did into behaviourism & neo-krapelinian pseudo-medics or become legitimately helpful ?
@ausleaderindex
Still confused
When did we switch from "representatives" to "leaders"?
We still live in a democracy?
Don't we?
If not, could someone please explain?
😐
@Pristine_tee
@MuslimThoughts1
Else it's just privileging ppl who appeal to the listener. Listener's not aiming for comprehension & learning, just being pleased, convenience, only listening to ppl that look & talk like them etc
@Imani_Barbarin
Still happens
The only thing that closed was long term
Short term institutions are not any better except shorter
Friend allegedly raped by staff member tried to report denied rape kit not only one
Everything that happened in asylums still happens
@wendyburn
1. You have received abuse? That's terrible! Did they have large men hold you down, force you to take drugs that fogged your brain? Chase you, grab you, cover you in bruises to lock you in solitary confinement for hours where you had to poo in a paper potty in front of a camera?
@nebakke
@DamienEvans7
@isobelroe
WTF is going on with tweeps telling people to ignore their GPs advice & go to priceline or doctor shop?
Looks pretty appalling from where I'm standing. People allowed to take risks against advice if they wish to, but it's not something people should pressure them into on twitter
@nickchodgson
@fccwsurvivor
This hurts a great deal. Why RCP only interested in positive case studies? The attention is not given to the negative ones. Surely the conflict of interest in preserving the status quo is clear? Holistically, if we looked at the bigger picture in what was going on in each story
@harveymushman78
@sikals
@sesmith
@EatPrayBritney
It is good to know she has the right to challenge the decision again later but it's not a good decision for disability rights
Few are at the moment in psychosocial disability prejudice is deeply, deeply entrenched
@lacanta
@AnnMemmott
Because of autistic people have knowledge of themselves don't need gatekeepers anymore & gatekeepers aren't "experts on autism" but ablists exploiting a minority community
Gatekeepers do bad things to make sure that minority communities aren't seen as competent in self knowledge
@blakandblack
@the_sroth
It’s inspiring, and Thankyou for reminding of hope
I think deep down and in the best versions of everyone , what you have said is true
can be hard to access deep down best versions of everyone, especially when history, status quo & vested interests pushing for opposite
@AndraCa10169524
@otivar55
@ToryFibs
BC people are getting arrested for writing things on signs
Probably
There was someone who got told that if he wrote "not my king" on a sign he risked being arrested
BC "it might offend someone"
@KarenOnBelay
@j_ohn_h
@ErikaDNolte
@shoeleatherkate
@edyong209
@nytimes
The claim seems analogous to saying heart medicine should be viewed with skepticism because they are always coming up with new & improved procedures
But it's not really about the medicine it's about prejudice & fear of change/"the other"
No different from old anti-gay sentiment
“Information leaflets about ECT comply neither with National Institute of Clinical health and Excellence (NICE) recommendations nor the principle of informed consent. Patients are being misled about the risks they are taking and the limited nature of ECT’s benefits.”
@DrJessTaylor
You are so obsessed with your own narrative
You never **asked** any community what they wanted did you?
You shout trauma
You don't even *understand*
People who ID ADHD aren't interested in your label
They picked their own
& ND community is sick of being gatekept already!
#MentalHealthIsSilence
.
#MentalMeToo
#WhatReallyHappened
. To those who understand their experience as illness. I respect your choice. But it doesn't change that the way we are all told we have to say that we have illness whether we like it or not isn't silencing.
@DoddsMaz
@IndigoDaya
We have to be street smart
It's the only way to survive
Reduced to such indignity
So are drugs
Drugs can be freedom
Do psych nurses really not understand what they push people to?
It must be obvious we are caged rats?
@TracyWesterman
I am so sorry
I don’t fully understand why the denial of trauma happens I just know that it does happen and it seems to happen wherever there is wrongdoing
The denial of trauma seems to be about segregation and about common tropes justifying wrongdoing
I am here to raise awareness about Violence, abuse and exploitation in psychiatry
To work for implementation of
#UNCRPD
My concern is medicalised ideology is not honestly represented to recruits or prospective clients.
Will you join me in working for honesty in
#PsychSocTakeover
?
“for every $1 billion that the NDIS is under-funded, significant negative outcomes occur across the economy including:
A drop in employment of around 10,200 jobs, reducing the employment rate by 0.1%;
…
0.14% reduction in total GDP, or a 0.22% reduction in the services economy”
@elliemidds
The possibility of being autistic is new to me
Having others ask “why are you being like that” sounds more polite than anything I have faced for being different
Usually they go straight to calling me rude, insulting me, excluding me or even trying to punish me
@suicide_ken
@psychetrick
I see a great deal of clarity
Of the statement
And what it is that I hope the author intended
But a) wouldn't assume it's what others see
b) wouldn't assume it was what was intended
As there is no information to make intention explicit, why would you?
@JudithMunro11
If that’s the case why did you add “pretty weak statement” at the end of your question?
Why don’t people even look up who Dr Westerman is before they go attacking her based on assumptions?
Why do they not actually read what Dr Westerman’s been saying about Ms Prices comments?
@ReadReadj
Aggressive? In 140 characters or less? that's quite impressive.
@sameerjauhar
I tend to reserve the word for.. eg. six male nurses grabbing me & covering me in bruises as they drag me face down to a bed, throw me on it, pull my pants down and forcibly administer a drug that
To those who take drugs to handle distress, highlighting and probing into the corruption behind the pseudo-science of those drugs, the dependence they cause, the withdrawal, the fact that 'chemical imbalance' was a bogus hypthesis and fighting for other options isn't shaming you.
@Murphybear64
@abcnews
Ummm Palestine is a whole area dude. It’s not a pro-Hamas rally.
It’s a rally to support innocent people being mowed down in crimes against humanity/genocide
@Louthewarrior
@benzosarebad
The "low serotonin" hype is misleading - because it's not just about "serotonin levels" it's about functional neural circuits that may or may not use serotonin as the neurotransmitter to communicate between cells.
SSRIs artificially restrict reuptake of serotonin
@NeuroRebel
I was an exception
Got treated like it was completely ok to be different, by lots of good teachers
So much so don't know (or care) what brand of ND I wld be, cos got the luxury of being treated as it was cool for everyone to be unique
@peterkinderman
@iordananutarus1
@wendyburn
@JDaviesPhD
Why are we now reframing "mental health" as "productivity" and "functionality"?
For the same reasons we now talk about "economy" instead of "society"?
When I was growing up we didn't judge the quality of life & relationships by the rate of production at work 🙄
@ibnShibShib
@MaxGoldsmith6
@aclientfirst
Many survivours of MH systems have reported medicalisation of their distress was harmful & counterproductive.
Identifying with medical constructs thus carries a risk profile that is extremely personal, it's extremely personal choice how to construct or understand real distress