Carrie Eileen
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Former non-final-professed Roman Catholic religious Sister. Now a happy wife & homeschooling mom of six. Seeker of theosis. ☦️
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Some have claimed that my difficulties in the convent were simply my own personal flaws, rather than anything wrong with the convent itself. That maybe *I* couldn’t hack it, but that’s my own fault & doesn’t mean the convent itself had any problems.
A thread. 🧵
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@SimchaFisher
Sounds exactly like the escape plan for a woman in an abusive marriage. First thing I thought.
I know too many “Latin Mass Catholic” men that when I hear hoofbeats, I think horses.
Not all hyperdevout TLM Catholic men are like this, of course. But too many are.
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I did! Was in religious life for 5 years.
Ended up w/ religious trauma that I’m STILL processing with therapy 16 years later, but I’ve made a lot of progress, glory to God.
Religious life can be a beautiful life, don’t get me wrong. But it can also very much not be.
Just curious, how many people on Catholic Twitter have considered a vocation to Holy Orders or the religious life?
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Some ppl are saying, “similar thing happened to me, it hurt my ego, but it was what I needed to hear!”
Good for you! Truly. But also, some priests just actually SUCK at being confessors. Some are so horrible at it, they push people out of the Church. 1/
A priest called me Judas in the confessional here once LMAO
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The story about Fr. Mello is sadly familiar to me.
Why? Because I, too, was once a defender of such a priest.
When our priest at the time was accused, we all rallied behind him. He was such a good & faithful priest!
And then he showed up in the PA Grand Jury Report. 1/
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I remember seeing an account that posted a vid of a bride KNEELING before her groom when she said her vows.
I couldn’t help but juxtapose that with the Orthodox wedding crowns. To my mind, how much more beautiful, dignified, & properly ordered is the crowning ceremony?!?
Since the idea of true biblical submission to one’s husband is so offensive to even most Christian women, I have decided to word it differently. If you love your husband, you will want to please him. You will want to dress the way he likes, wear your hair the way he likes, fix
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What a horrific state of affairs when “it wasn’t a minor!” becomes a cause for relief.
I don’t think the horrifying implications of that are fully acknowledged by Catholic faithful. At all.
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But I talk about it because it wasn’t necessary for me to endure spiritual abuse in a convent at all. I don’t want it to happen to other women.
Discerners should be equipped with knowledge of red flags in communities, but communities should also hold themselves accountable./end
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Laypeople are usually completely oblivious to what can go on within a convent’s closed doors. The truth of the matter is that MANY convents are in need of reform.
I don’t advocate getting rid of asceticism. I advocate getting rid of spiritual ABUSE. They are not the same.
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to the allegations, in itself, can be quite revealing.
Church authorities have botched abuse investigations for decades. Laypeople can rise up & demand accountability. We can fix this!
But not if we aren’t willing to believe the truth, even when it’s uncomfortable. 6/6
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@PillarCatholic
Thank you for reporting on this. As a former Roman Catholic Sister myself, I’ve seen issues like these FAR too often, & the response being weak or nonexistent. God bless these Sisters for being brave enough to speak up about it. This is more common than people want to admit.
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If you think sex abuse cases are still brushed under the rug, imagine how many MORE cases of spiritual abuse aren’t even ACKNOWLEDGED.
We should acknowledge it happens. I’m not the only one, by far.
For many, a few simple fixes & accountability would be enough.
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Believe victims & stand with them. Be in the service of truth and justice. This is what God wants.
And the priest? His job is to be humble, obedient, & prayerful. If he’s innocent, it will eventually come to light, & God will bless his humble perseverance. But his response 5/
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Why is it so often the case that laypeople’s impulse is defense and denial instead of rallying behind the victims of abuse instead?
I can’t even explain my own impulse to this, except that I was still naive & blinded by my familiarity and bias regarding this priest. 3/
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Yes, your family member, friend, or priest could have been an abuser. People you know and love could turn out to have done horrible things that you never imagined they were capable of.
I know it’s hard to come to terms with that. But the answer isn’t to pile on injustices. 4/
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I was so angry I had allowed myself to be blinded by my own biases and emotional attachments.
I had so much regret over the fact that my defense of this priest is what makes it all the more agonizing for victims of abuse to come forward. It’s what helps abuse & sin fester. 2/
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Sometimes they simply realized they didn’t have a vocation to religious life.
…and sometimes they are leaving a toxic, unhealthy atmosphere. And many women are afraid to talk about their experiences for fear of “making the Church look bad.”
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I know “religious trauma” might seem trendy, but I assure you that the emotional, spiritual, psychological & even PHYSICAL consequences are very real.
For a while, I couldn’t even see the NAME of my former superior w/o having a panic attack. That’s how terrified of her I was.
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But some communities, even if they get lots of postulants, also get lots of Sisters leaving later on. That’s something to pause & consider.
The ideal is entering a community & then persevering. This SHOULD happen a good deal more often than not.
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That is the vocation directress’s JOB. The ppl guiding me in my discernment failed me.
I think they missed it, in large part, bc they think these vocations are desperately needed. So they were willing to overlook these glaring signs that I was not ready to enter a convent.
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Most bishops are completely unaware of what religious life entails. When they’re asked to host a new community in their diocese, they’re thrilled bc VOCATIONS!
But the nitty gritty of the life is pretty unknown to them. It’s how a lot of unhealthy stuff goes under the radar.
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There are countless examples of spiritual abuse that I experienced in the convent; some I’ve shared publicly and many more that I haven’t.
I won’t list them all here, but I hope you can at least see how “obedience” in religious life can be manipulated by Superiors.
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…even when, for example, they promote bizarre & “unapproved” Marian apparitions or devotions. (No Catholic is obligated to believe even the “approved” ones, by the way, but that’s a nuanced different discussion…)
You are encouraged to see your Superior’s will as God’s will.
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I’m really sad that there are people who think abuse cases in the Catholic Church are mostly a thing of the past, pre-2001.
I really thought we ALL knew better by now.
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Too often, Catholics idolize nuns/religious Sisters. They recognize there can be problems with priests & Bishops but Sisters are somehow exempt.
I’m that annoying & uncomfortable reminder that they’re not.
Many, MANY convents are in dire need of reform. Even the “good” ones.
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But it is a lot more common than laypeople want to believe. Even potentially within your favorite community.
I don’t want communities to be disbanded or suppressed. But I do want them to take some honest introspection and reform the practices that need to be reformed.
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If the ratio is disproportionate, that’s a clue something may need to change.
It’s not about those women being “tempted by the world” or “throwing away their vocation.” It’s not automatically that women “can’t handle” the asceticism.
Sure, maybe sometimes it is.
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I get that Catholics like to promote vocations in many different ways & want to make the life seem appealing to young people.
But look at the retention rate in some of these communities. It’s normal, even expected, for some women to discern out, yes. That’s not a bad thing!
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Many people just don’t have experience with religious life. They don’t know how strictly a Sister’s freedom can be restricted.
Yes, Catholic religious take a vow of obedience, along with poverty & chastity (& sometimes others in some communities). But this can be abused.
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Women who leave can often feel pressure to minimize the dysfunctional goings on in their former communities, or feel embarrassed and ashamed to speak on it at all.
NOT every woman who leaves has a bad experience, to be sure. And NOT every community is dysfunctional.
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@emzanotti
@SimchaFisher
So many “clues” like that in the whole story; that’s a good one.
People are like “how can you blindly take the side of the wife!”
Well … because I have a brain, and I see the clues. I could be wrong, but … it doesn’t look good, even WITH the biased guy telling the story.
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Yes, I am a flawed individual, even more so as a timid & easily-influenced 18 year old kid who had just graduated high school. I was NOT ready to enter religious life, even though I believed I was. There were plenty of signs I needed more time to mature & grow as a person.
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I get why people would be inclined to think this. After all, I am a very flawed human being & I was NOT perfect in the convent. My flaws were very apparent.
But I hope you might be open to hearing why it wasn’t simply that. There were a lot of dysfunctional things going on.
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Often the Sister isn’t quite sure where the limits lie, except in cases of sin. (“You can refuse to be obedient if your Superior tells you to rob a bank” is a common example.)
So you are encouraged, & feel bound under pain of sin, to obey your Superior in all things…
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@IacobRuthenicus
This is a major thing that has drawn me to Orthodoxy, not gonna lie. After literally being forced to promote & believe those sorts of visions & bizarre phenomena when I was in the (RC) convent, it’s a joyful serenity to discover those don’t exist the same way in Orthodoxy.
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I haven’t been on Twitter for very long, but this is HILARIOUS. Oh my gosh. Touché, little robot, touché. 😭
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@RCAnnaKate
@Megamom1985
This is sad, and honestly uncharitable. There is a very rich and meaningful purpose behind every single color, pose, etc. in an icon. There’s an important reason why they look the way they do. I’d recommend looking into it, icons are part of your faith heritage, too.
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Sure, sometimes we are admonished in a way that stings, but we realize that’s what our soul needed.
But sometimes that doesn’t happen, too. Sometimes priests are awful & give HORRIFIC advice. Or otherwise say things that are weird & hurtful with no benefit to the soul. 2/
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Had the amazing opportunity to be present for the exhumation of St. Raphael of Brooklyn, and the translation of his relics to a nearby chapel, yesterday. I really don’t even have words. It was an amazing day and I’m so humbled & grateful I was able to be there.
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When I see posts like this about “Biblical submission” & tradwives and all those things, I immediately go back to the wedding crowns. That beautiful, profound imagery tells me pretty much everything I need to know about the beauty, dignity, & duties of marriage. 🤷♀️
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@jennmorson
@HallowApp
It is the message. They don’t care.
What matters is money. Brand is popular in certain circles right now, and that means more clicks, more views, more app purchases…more money for Hallow.
I’m sick of pretending this isn’t true. It’s not what should be the case, but it is.
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Most will push on in faith anyway, but what’s with blaming the penitents for having a bad experience in confession?!
Priests aren’t infallible and sometimes they’re bad at their job. It is what it is. God is merciful anyway.
But maybe you should work on your empathy skills? 3/3
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This is appalling.
They NEVER LEARN. 😣 How is this difficult?! The Catholic hierarchy has had decades of knowing the proper thing to do & they STILL just won’t.
(And this is proof that it exists within Eastern Catholicism, as well, despite claims I’ve heard to the contrary).
Interesting that someone reported for "sexual impropriety" (the eparchy's words, not mine!) is allowed to be a spiritual director for a kids' camp!
The first year he served in this role, to my knowledge, was the year I reported him for his conduct toward me (as an adult).
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Because they DON’T care, simple as that.
A few outliers may. But most have CLEARLY & consistently shown us who they are, so why are we desperately trying to convince ourselves it isn’t true?
It looks bad because it is bad.
How can one look at
@VaticanNews
's continued use of a rapist's art and think "Rome is taking sexual abuse & abuse of power seriously" or "Church authorities care about victims"?
@paoloruffini2
defended this art in a despicable way and still hasn't restored justice.
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It wasn’t the use of “heir” in his original tweet. It wasn’t even this, if I grant you that it was “just a joke” (even if I think it’s a terrible one).
It’s the entire package. This guy is the worst of radical traditional Catholicism & his views aren’t worth defending.
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@Zo_bo_fo_sho
lol have you seen my walls?!? 🤣 This is nothing. Honestly it’s adorable.
Lord please help me be the kind of grandma who ADORES this stuff & treats it like a custom made masterpiece.
I’m sorry you had a rough night. Sending a virtual hug!
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@SimchaFisher
There are also stories of horrible injustice in cases like this, yes. They are tragic.
But I’ve seen too many people in these circles defend abusers by saying they are “faithful” and “good” and “innocent.” Call me a jaded cynic, I guess. 🤷♀️
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@SkepticallyDan
His response was to destroy it *AND NOT REPORT IT*?!?! In 2012?! If this isn’t evidence the culture within the Church is sick, I don’t know what is. 😞
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@FrHilderbrand
Yeah I hope they change their mind, when the time comes. Honestly, could be a potential fundraising idea: for a donation of $1, you get a swing with a hammer.
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@nicksterwixter
It literally went along with someone trying to confess to it - even giving a penance. That’s worth getting up in arms over.
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@MaterGarruli
And financial aid, at least what we were offered, was laughable. Did not even make it remotely affordable for us, simply the difference between “out of our reach” and “REALLY out of our reach.”
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@HannahPosted
I think it’s not necessarily overzealous, but that early intervention shows good outcomes. Not that w/out services they’d be “ruined,” but that WITH services they do better more quickly & experience less struggle/fewer problems resulting from the issue overall.
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-In 2012, priest finds child SA on computer, knowing it belonged to a past pastor
-Orders a deacon to destroy the hard drive with a blow torch
-Doesn’t report what he found for SIX years
-Original priest resigns in 2021 over a different issue
-Has never been convicted of a crime
Two of the most horrifying sentences I have ever read (cause/effect):
“Father Barry said at the time, he did not realize the repercussions of not revealing what they had found."
Cutcher was never charged with a crime.
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@catholiccom
Why does it need to be a *human* character? Why not do something more along the lines of Clippy; like a thurible or something, idk.
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@FrMatthewLC
@FLOTUS
@JoeBiden
@LeahLibresco
@firstthingsmag
This is INCREDIBLY common among a certain type of Catholic family. They are afraid of making the patient “afraid of being close to death” and so don’t want a priest present. I’ve seen it myself. It’s a very tragic misunderstanding, but it’s so incredibly common. 😞
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This is INSANE. Not surprising, though. So many dioceses are SO out of touch with reality.
They don’t care about the good of souls, which often requires creative & out-of-the-box solutions. They care about their bottom line. This is a gross temper tantrum to control people.
“Parish run schools and religious education programs are the primary means by which the Church accomplishes its teaching mission for children and young people.”
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This is absolutely infuriating.
The things Rupnik did to those Sisters were sick & degenerate. He abused his authority beyond any delusional hopes of rehabilitation.
“…but they weren’t minors, so…”
Aren’t priests held to a higher standard? The bar is on the FREAKING FLOOR.
“We’re not talking about abuse of minors,” said Dr. Paolo Ruffini, Prefect of the Dicastery for Communication of the Holy See, on Friday, 21st June 2024, in response to questions after an address given at the annual Catholic Media Conference.
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It’s helpful to remember that MOST religious edgelords and trolls on Twitter are literal children. Even more don’t have a fully developed prefrontal cortex yet.
So don’t imitate their methods & behavior. Be the example of maturity & grace you hope they grow into.
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@shagbark_hick
Some people have medical issues, even common ones, for which early knowledge of pregnancy is needed to help prevent miscarriage. Hypothyroidism being one of them.
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@RCAnnaKate
@Megamom1985
It’s ok if the art style of iconography isn’t your preference, but calling them “unsettling and creepy” betrays an ignorance about them, and is, at the very least, incredibly uncharitable to say. Why not just say “icons aren’t my preference,” instead you had to throw a dart.
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Hear me out. I know they wanted to go the route of “authoritative,” but I think a mascot-like Ai is more fitting. More memorable, less uncanny valley, less haughty-know-it-all or weird “my child” condescension.
Lean into the cringe. Make it fun.
@catholiccom
Why does it need to be a *human* character? Why not do something more along the lines of Clippy; like a thurible or something, idk.
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When you notice yourself making comments like this, even in your head, it’s time to log off. Read a book, go for a walk, enjoy nature. I get it; I’ve been there. Sometimes we get cranky about life. But you have to know when to seek proper perspective. This is an example of when.
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There should be a rule that for every tweet you make, you need to spend 2 hours volunteering in your neighborhood, at your church, at your kids’ activities, etc.
Social media can be a helpful tool but oh my gosh the bad takes and petty arguments people freely engage in…!
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Blessed feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos to those who celebrate today! ❤️☦️
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@emzanotti
Exactly.
It couldn’t compete with $8 Shein dresses. Unflattering cut, not a popular color, not great fabric, WAY overpriced.
They could have done a good job but it seems like they botched this every which way they could, and then had the nerve to blame US for that. 🙄
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@canonlawyered
Has he said anything since O’Malley sent that letter to the dicasteries? I was looking for an update on that but didn’t find anything.
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Ok but what if you’re a cat lady AND you have six kids?!
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@Stanley36278380
@USCatholic
“Liberal attitude”? Like patience, charity, compassion, generosity, longsuffering …
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Garbage disposal was working but wouldn’t drain, so I knew I had to clear the pipes of debris. It’s an annoying hassle but I knew what to do. I am my father’s daughter! 😄 (He started out as a plumber.)
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@Petrosity_19
@SifiReturned
Latins love to use Eastern Catholics as a prop when it benefits them, & then go back to denigrating us once the charade is up.
Also, not sure about “preserved”, considering the RAMPANT Latinizations that Eastern Catholics still refuse to get rid of.
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@SteveSkojec
Exactly. Any honest Catholic should see through this by now. Fr. Ripperger is a fraud.
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@emzanotti
Gonna add to the chorus saying ANYTHING BUT SAMSUNG. We have a Samsung fridge. It works ok, it has a bunch of features I genuinely enjoy. But something WILL break, and when it does, no one will know how to fix it, and it will take months for Samsung to respond.
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Also, when I used it, it required use of a microphone. You couldn’t type questions, it required you to vocally ask them. Why? That seems really bizarre.
Hello, can someone at
@catholiccom
please explain what technology utilized in your "Father Justin" AI requires an email address and "access code" in order to function? Is this simply a ploy to build your mailing list?
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I mean…for real, though. There really is nothing new under the sun, lol.
I think the internet needs to take this to heart more often. (And I’m talking to myself, especially.)
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@FrHilderbrand
Even just saying “Special thanks to our benefactor, Hallow, for providing the adoration chapel” would have been so much better than “sponsored by Hallow.” Our day & age requires more precise language bc of the implications & optics. An easy fix & the impression is a big one.
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@cecsquared
This.
The priest we knew, an abuser who was listed in the PA Grand Jury Report in horrifying detail, was never convicted of a crime, thanks to PA statute of limitations at the time.
That did NOT mean he didn’t commit the abuse. His actions were detailed by the freaking FBI.
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@RCAnnaKate
@Megamom1985
Plenty of *Catholics* have described the theological limitations of the development of Western sacred art. It’s a much-discussed topic. I understand your frustration at the fact that it was the catalyst for someone to choose Orthodoxy, but that’s no reason to throw darts.
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@mfjlewis
I cannot FATHOM how a priest, in 2012, would have destroyed the evidence and then *DID NOT REPORT IT.* It’s insanity that both of those were considered viable options to this priest. That, imo, is evidence of a very sick culture, that ESPECIALLY post-2001, it happened at all.
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@FrHilderbrand
Spiritual abuse is so often overlooked and brushed aside, but it can cause devastating lifelong harm. Thank you for posting on this.
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@SteveSkojec
I said this on the other thread but I’d rather say it here. All the quibbles about when a given Pope spoke on faith & morals, the mental gymnastics & revisionist history of Church history…yeah, it’s problematic, & I’m not afraid to say it anymore.
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Engagement farming makes ppl share some really disgusting takes. Those w/out shame have no inhibitions to share it, bc they only care about the money it makes them gain.
The problem is that they influence ppl to believe & agree w/ these trash opinions, which destroys the soul.
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Its analysis of who I am isn’t too far off, either. I’m holding onto that “30-something” for dear life, though! 🤣
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And in case I need to say it, this is coming from someone who is very religious, defends “tradition” vigorously, & lives a pretty “traditional” lifestyle herself as a homeschooling SAHM.
It’s more than just this set of tweets. Radtrad Catholic views can be horribly warped.
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@austeni
How you are failing to see the important difference here is beyond me.
Also his artwork is a soulless, warped parody of authentic Orthodox iconography, so there’s that.
Too many strikes against his work, even from the merit of the art itself. It should be taken down.
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@KatiePMcGrady
I think there are definitely valid criticisms of their decisions & business model. The people who criticize it (me included) are happy that it helps people pray! That’s a good thing. But that doesn’t mean other concerning aspects don’t exist, or aren’t worth discussing. IMO.
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Homegrown blackberries, finally! We’ve been waiting for them to ripen for so long. And there’s so much more where this came from! 😍
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Do not underestimate the importance of staying hydrated. For real.
Go drink some water, friends.
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@SteveSkojec
I’ll be honest, this has been a HUGE sticking point with me recently. There is so much Church history that has been “sanitized,” & “written by the victors,” so to speak, that I had NO real idea of the legitimate perspectives & realities I was missing out on.
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Recently went on a trip w/ my husband to the PA wilds. Wanted SO badly to see the wild elk (asked God for it!), but I knew it was a long shot & resigned myself to it not happening.
On the drive home, 10 mins before dark, I caught a shadow out of the corner of my eye & saw this:
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@jennmorson
I really don’t understand his perspective at all. I understand people who say “sinful artists can still produce beautiful sacred art” and I can agree with that …but in THIS case specifically, creating art as a facade & excuse for sexual assault?! How can anyone be ok with that?!
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@brandonh4real
@SteveSkojec
You can keep holy the Sabbath without being obligated to do so under pain of eternal torment. Orthodox & Eastern Catholics do it just fine. 🤷♀️ Roman Catholic praxis is how you get frantic posts in Catholic mom groups every Sunday, “Are we REALLY sick enough not to go?!”
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Bishops absolutely just wait for the next news cycle, when the story will be forgotten by most.
I don’t think we should give them that option anymore.
Keep talking about it.
The excommunication of Louisiana Deacon Scott Peyton has garnered national attention. Here's why:
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@SteveSkojec
He’s like the epitome of Catholic supernatural hysteria and spiritual delusions. It’s so jarring, & yet people vehemently defend him. Baffling, & yet not surprising when you’re familiar with certain circles of Catholics.
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I’m not against cosmetic procedures. I just think it’s really sad that women my age (or even younger!) have been led to believe that cosmetic procedures are, and should be, the norm, especially in an era where “body positivity!” is supposedly encouraged. 1/
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@emzanotti
This is SO common, it seems to be the default now. Maybe we need to reinforce this concept better in school. I have had people *vehemently* argue with me about how to write the plural of my own last name.
-Sincerely, Someone whose maiden name ends with a “z” 😖
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@Pallini1239143
@langluigi_
@InuConquistador
Please understand that your statement is not only horrifically uncharitable, it’s also completely misinformed.
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@SkepticallyDan
This, times a million. It’s how it starts. His behavior might have been completely innocent, but especially in a Cardinal, it’s wildly inappropriate. I CANNOT believe we are still having these conversations, & needing to defend the obvious (ie, DON’T TOUCH). It’s so wearying.
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@emzanotti
See?!? And they have the gall to be offended you could actually offer them VALUABLE advice?! Maybe they aren’t as ready for any of this as they imagined they were. 🤔
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