Bjerkley
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Gay lefty lawyer. Behaves well in department stores.
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@jk_rowling
Many other gay people feel the opposite. No one is redefining us and many of us object to our names being used in an ongoing campaign against our fellow brothers and sisters in our communities. We remember the toxic rhetoric used against us previously and do not support it now.
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@BramhamAlex
It's nothing to do with woke or cancel culture. Civil proceedings have never been allowed to involve religion. Why do you think you're the exception to this?
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@sacha_coward
I think "gaslighting" is sometimes used too lightly, but it's really something that straight people are lining up to say that there was never any issue, there wasn't much pushback or denying that exactly the same arguments were being made.
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@leftistlawyer
@sacha_coward
And pretending they were nothing but supportive. If I see one more mention about marching for our rights from those people...
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@ALLIANCELGB
And what about the T and Q? It held it self out as an LGBTQ club. Why can’t you acknowledge that even in the aftermath of an awful event?
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@SFWEastSussex
Imagine that's the hill to die on. Whinging you can't be rude to someone when Christmas shopping.
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@RossMcCaff
And effectively lets a "not in a good place" divorced man speak on behalf of his ex-wife and her reasons for leaving. Unthinkable most would usually give that the time of day.
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@guardian
Citing the census to stop people using queer as a term is pointless. No one identified as homosexual - are we to use that to stop anyone from doing so? The reality many of us have multiple words for our sexuality or identity.
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@lisaocarroll
I'm not sure why there's any sympathy for him. Even ignoring his toxic history, here's a man being given a significant platform to frame the reasons for his divorce in a way that is self-serving and for all we know entirely at odds with his ex-wife's reasons.
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@GBNEWS
No one was misrepresenting him. His bullying, toxic behaviour was and remains there for anyone to see. Even his peers were embarrassed by him. That you see fit to take him seriously just shows how unserious you are.
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@MForstater
LOL. Love that. "You can tell this isn't gender critical abuse because if it had been, they'd have also misgendered Robin too."
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@project_lesbian
@glosswitch
Perhaps then you could get a lesbian to write about it? Because the usual suspects lining up to praise it whilst focusing on trans stuff gives the slightest hint it’s about something else.
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@tomilo
@DocPhoenix
I also think it's an impossibility for it to be anything other than that. Who can regulate and enforce any other approach?
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@TimesRadio
@HadleyFreeman
@MattChorley
Why do we need two straight people weighing on Pride month and the rights of gay people? There's nothing relevant to be said by her about this.
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@john_boyne
It was a protest full of LGBT people. Why frame this as being straight people excluding him (someone who oppposes what the protest stood for anyway)?
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@TheMattWain
@LisaTMullin
The smugness with which they suggest this is really about good, neutral journalism, which just so happens to conveniently accord with the views they had in the first place.
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@GayTory
@KatyMontgomerie
Uncanny prescience then that she gave an earlier interview being explicit as to her support for LGBT people
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@ALLIANCELGB
Is it possible for you to say something relating to LGB people that isn't all taking issue with trans people?
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@MForstater
@scouts
These aren't adult agendas. LGBT children exist and have always existed. The idea that society is inclusive and accepting of them is nothing but a positive thing.
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@joannaccherry
@bindelj
Oh well. No more tedious than having lived through all the anti-gay rhetoric and seeing it used against trans people, just with "but this time it's actually true". Not least when it then leads the same ones to engage in anti-gay rhetoric (see the latest screed from the Baroness)
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@jk_rowling
And in irony of ironies, one of your fans has told me that I can't be a gay man because I would date a trans man (before blocking me, obviously). Care to speak out about that kind of redefinition?
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@SzMarsupial
As everyone knows, gay rights only happened when a sensible group of politicians decided it was time, with nothing whatsoever other than their sensible brilliance leading up to that point.
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@EyeEdinburgh
@soniasodha
@guardian
Or gay people who disagree with her. All the while talking about the importance of being able to debate, by which she means foghorn her bigotry without challenge.
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@TheresNoTimeFor
@KatyMontgomerie
Don't you know the term "everyone" is offensive to those with legally protected gender critical beliefs?
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@danielmgmoylan
You sit in an unelected chamber.
And god knows how you'd vote in respect of such ghoulish laws if they were attempted here.
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@guardian
Also, the reason why Brighton wasn’t the lesbian separatist utopia Stock wanted is because it’s a gay friendly city. But I guess given, as she has previously said, rainbows make her want to vomit, mixing with the GBT+ of us led her to miss out on what was on offer.
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@SarahSurviving
@project_lesbian
That's an old photo. It's called The Actors now.
And I suspect that was taken on Trans Pride day. Not all lesbians are transphobic after all.
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@brokenbottleboy
The irony is that Stock’s entire column output consists of saying how terrible it is that there are people on Twitter who don’t share her opinions.
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@setoacnna
@francesweetman
I was in a small room of about 30 people when I saw him do that routine. I had no idea how at risk some of us were.
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@agirlcalledlina
On the plus side, no they can’t get their money back, and I hope the man’s partner lives a long and happy life in that home (or whatever house she wants to purchase with the full proceeds).
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@richardaeden
Why are they expected to have the same views as the person who wrote the source material? This is a really bizarre demand.
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@TimesRadio
@timfarron
Well good luck being a Marxist and having a fair hearing in mainstream politics nowadays.
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@boodleoops
@OwenJones84
Where’s the entitlement? Co-parenting involved voluntarily and consensually raising a child together. Lots of gay men and lesbians do this together.
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@scottygb
Looking for "common ground" by way of a sympathetic focus on Dr Stock, someone for whom engaging in anything remotely approaching good faith is impossible. Righty-ho.
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@susiehawkes
@HJoyceGender
And the award for the most desperate stretch goes to....
Nudity on TV is not a sexual offence and it took place on a show after the watershed - boundaries.
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@keybehaviours
@billybragg
@Womans_Place_UK
@jk_rowling
Why can’t they express solidarity with trans and queer people though?
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@setoacnna
Fascinating to know, though, that the gender critical position is that people being punished for not conforming to gender stereotypes is no longer of relevance to their focus. Critical of what, exactly?
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@Baroness_Nichol
Why are you drawing an analogy between gay men, and paedophiles and terrorists?
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@ALLIANCELGB
If you genuinely misworded it (you said "with" not "as", and that's clearly to the exclusion of T and Q people) you can always delete the tweet rather than complain about misrepresentation.
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@carthach86
@CaiParryUK
It's pretty clear that he was referring to gay people, given that Brighton is known for the high proportion of gay people living there, rather than flags.
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@SocialistLwyr
Was quite something that many are saying AB is the most famous black lesbian. Stonewall’s thread was fairly conclusive that’s not true.
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@TimesRadio
@wesstreeting
@ayeshahazarika
So where’s the olive branch from Duffield? There isn’t going to be one. She’s got what she wanted, she will continue to demonise the LGBT community, and we’re supposed to “listen” to people who won’t begin to give us a fair hearing.
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@RightGeez
@KatyMontgomerie
It won't; it will likely result in a threatening letter which unless someone has significant resources will lead to backtracking, whether it's libelous or not, as we have some of the most oppressive libel laws and have routinely been abused by those with deep pockets.
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@Fox_Claire
@ALLIANCELGB
Not bad faith at all. We read the words they actually wrote, not the ones they’re now pretending to, and in the context of their long-standing hostility to trans and queer people.
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@BadWritingTakes
That line is staggering. It someone says they’re suicidal, they can’t mean it? And this in an article about being a good parent. She’s a danger.
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Absolutely wild that the Observer publishes an article purporting to be about the welfare of children, yet contains the claim that gestation is a natural form of safeguarding of children.
A child’s best interests, not the desires of adults, should be at the heart of surrogacy | Sonia Sodha
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@Fenrirodin11
@OwenJones84
The abuse referred to includes verbal harassment and physical violence.
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@guardian
She constantly calls for debate on the issue, but there are never comments allowed and she blocks people who disagree with her. What she seems to want, in fact, is just the ability for her views to be platformed everywhere.
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@Paigepilski
@scaredofbones
@K_IngalaSmith
@bindelj
But Karen is eliding the two in implying that the unwanted attention, i.e harassment, is something really wanted.
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@EHRC
Why didn't you respond to Ben Hunte's questions before the article was published? No good sniffing about misinformation if you're not bothered to engage.
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@OwenJones84
@HLeeHurley
Not the first time I've seen a gender critical gay person dismiss the views of those who grew up under and were directly affected by section 28.
I never thought, though, that gay people would see the tactics used against us and thought "great, will nick these".
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@PaulBrandITV
The division is overstated, though. We have one org, who do nothing for LGB people, given disproportionate attention, largely because the media like "balance" or play on division. The other aspect is that this org tells many of the right what they want to hear.
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I have no idea why GC people struggle with the issue of consent. That's what is rapey, the idea that being LGBT supportive means that no one has personal boundaries.
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@BBCWomansHour
@HadleyFreeman
@Emmabarnett
Sadly, we've all been able to see what she writes on trans issues when given the chance, and it doesn't seem like we were missing much.
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@Glitterbeard_
@meemalee
@keewa
Oh god, there's going to be an Observer column on Sunday about how bearded gays need to stop appropriating the holocaust and shut down debate.
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@meegrot
@LGBTConsortium
@TNLComFund
@ALLIANCELGB
The alliance are very popular with straight people with an axe to grind, but less so those actually interested in helping the LGBT community.
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@MForstater
Nothing of the kind. But what it says about those who object is that they dislike the reminder that LGBT people are part of society. Because it’s nothing short of weird and irrational.
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@guardian
It’s amusing that there’s a tacit admission that many lesbians won’t want to be represented by this project but the grift determines that Stock and Bindel must speak on their behalf, even when their work has demonstrated contempt for younger women.
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@robhind
@billybragg
It’s not being added though so to cite it as a reason not wanting to be involved with LGBT people is just to scaremonger.
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@Raindance_33
@sacha_coward
"how young is too young"
Exactly a question asked in respect of gay people, also presented as reasonable. This is Sacha's point. That the rhetoric is eerily similar for many of us who went through it. "This time it's justified" is unconvincing.
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@setoacnna
I'm the same age as her and that's definitely not my experience whatsoever - it's ridiculous to suggest that by the 90s there wasn't any embarrassment about being bigoted.
I see it's another "why won't the world agree with meee" article though.
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@OwenJones84
What's perhaps more notable was the awkward silence from GCs after the video circulated before they realised they could make this an "Owen Jones is a bully" issue
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@NeilThin
@piotralexb
@Glinner
I’m confused, as you say this below a tweet of your own which justifies calling David Tennant a groomer. There is nothing constructive going on there.
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@BioAndy2
@KatyMontgomerie
If it's always been important, then why is this never an obligation?
Katy is right. This does stem from bio essentialism borne of transphobia.
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@AllyFogg
They came for the fascists, and I did nothing.
They came for the TERFs, and I did nothing.
They came for Eamonn Holmes and I think I'm right in saying I applauded.
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@AllianceLGB
It’s not homophobic to allow trans men to use it, let alone discrimination. Perhaps find better uses of your time?
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@polblonde
I'm not convinced this obsession with Eddie Izzard is going to give you the public traction you are looking for. Singling her out in this way does rather come across as vindictive bullying.
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@AnnMSinnott
@bindelj
It’s not homophobic, but it’s telling that gay men and women get more focus on this issue despite the fact that it’s straight couples who primarily use surrogacy. This is predicated on the idea of who should and shouldn’t be having children, which is homophobic.
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@truesolicitor
@BenInLDN
Would it not also have the effect of obtaining a GRC more difficult, given the two year requirements? Not least the risk it would create to trans people in doing so.
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@speakoutsister
That’s interesting because there’s definitely that, but there also seems some satisfaction that many straight people have in calling gays and lesbians homophobes for being trans inclusive, weaponising our identities against us (or with the “not really gay”, erasing them)
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@vegangoth
@YorksMan82
@HJoyceGender
There are many, many, many TV shows that do not flag up when there's nudity on screen. By all means advocate for trigger warnings, but let's not embarrass ourselves by actually pretending this is a criminal offence.
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@BevJacksonAuth
You’re completely wrong on that. When was the last time you went to a Pride event?
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@SpeechUnion
Interesting see you you’ve dropped the free speech commitment. Just another turgid right wing movement (which we always knew)
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@BevJacksonAuth
Not going to happen as we’re not going to let you pretend that you represent most LGB people.
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@TrudePerkins
@_NatashaDevon
No, it's Bindel saying that, using Rebel Wilson as the story hook (she just had a child via surrogacy)
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@LozzaFox
Not totally convinced that someone who lost their deposit when standing could be credibly considered a political opponent of hers.
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@BevJacksonAuth
The thing is these bars, sites etc are run by people who have no issue with the Progress flag or trans people. They belong to the owners, not you.
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@guardian
Enough with this. Your reporting of the case is inflammatory and abysmal. You should be ashamed.
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@HebanMaja
@crystalwillseeu
Yeh it's weaponising homophobia to shut gay people up. It's rank.
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@setoacnna
This is co-ordinated bullying at this stage. They all seem to be proving LP right in what they’ve claimed.
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@BevJacksonAuth
No. Have your own organisations but don’t presume to speak for the rest of us who are fine with it.
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@OliverT39712041
@AyoCaesar
Many of which will restrict abortion. Which is why the likes of the GOP and Benton are cheering this.
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