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Enjoyer of Worlds. All opinions are speculative, truth finding is iterative, I am not a mouthpiece for the divine unless otherwise noted
Upstate New York
Joined January 2010
If you’re a smart person, one day if you pay close attention you’ll meet someone who is soooo much slower at thinking than you, but has superior metacognitive skills, a mastery of system 2 thinking, and it will completely change how you think about intelligence.
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The trouble is, skills like that are really difficult to teach and often require an exocortex(notes, excel, etc.) and extra time, but many of the people who make the world function as well as it does are like this. Don’t underestimate them.
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I’m using “system 2” loosely colloquially here to describe “taking your time and using chain of thought, often with external aids”, it’s emergent and not a literal different brain system folks.
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@luke_vassor I’m a fast thinker that was taught to “perform intelligence” instead of actually thinking correctly, but I got good enough at guessing that I don’t often have to fall back on good thinking. My partner takes 10x as long to come to the same conclusions, lots of error correction.
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The reason I say this is that a huge failure mode of relying on pattern recognition is mistaking the most common pattern for the whole of the distribution. Though this is also something you can build intuition for, you just have to actually realize it’s a thing.
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Seeing other people as soulless NPCs is a good indicator that you’re currently in one of the hell realms-your connection to the rest of the web of life is muted and you can see only your own light. Even hungry ghosts and asuras can at least see the glow in a few others.
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@nazo_embeddings Just try not to get impatient and you’ll be impressed. I often use her to check my conclusions.
@luke_vassor I’m a fast thinker that was taught to “perform intelligence” instead of actually thinking correctly, but I got good enough at guessing that I don’t often have to fall back on good thinking. My partner takes 10x as long to come to the same conclusions, lots of error correction.
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My most powerful mental move is something I call “let it dance” and basically instead of looking for patterns or trying to control sensory input you just watch it like you would fireflies or ripples on a lake and then patterns emerge on their own. What’s the official name for it?.
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Ash Ketchum is the anti-boddhisattva, having vowed to catch all beings rather than liberate them.
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I don’t want to entirely disparage performing intelligence. It’s really *really* useful if you’re trying to get hired or funded, but good to be able to recognize it for what it is.
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@BecomingCritter It reads as lacking conviction, which is seen as bad because in addition to other things it scans as unpredictable and therefore maybe dangerous.
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@chef_tian97 @luke_vassor Yeah I do fall back when it’s appropriate because I eventually had to learn how, it’s just amazing how far you can take it.
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@kenklippenstein Every time I hear the term "business-friendly state" I think "toxic waste" more than "low taxes".
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@goblinodds Without exception every pay increase I’ve experienced has come with less work, but with increased expectations for what I would need to accomplish very quickly in case of an emergency and a broadening of the definition of emergency.
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@sympatheticopp Truth. Mine does giant award-winning felt murals and has taken over one of the large rooms in the house for it.
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@briggityboppity We had to capture ours because it wasn’t yet cold at the time and we knew we only had a small window to get her socialized
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@sympatheticopp “Unable to model why other people would be terrible without an obvious motive” is an admirable character trait because it means you’re unlikely to be terrible to people unless given a good reason.
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@the_wilderless Pretty sure it’s a spectrum and more than 2%. the 2% are just the ones that enjoy being that way and have something else going on that makes them more likely to abuse it.
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@ExploreIGO @NSFVoyager2 @CassiniSaturn @NASANewHorizons @NASAJuno @NASAPersevere @IcyGiants Clearly The Uranus probe should be named “Pepper”, after the Butthole Surfers’ 1996 hit.
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I dislike that I apparently *have* to meditate for 30-90 minutes a day to maintain emotional regulation where I want it but it sure beats not being emotionally regulated. I’m not a wreck if I miss a day or anything but I can tell that things start to pile up again.
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@drethelin Strikes should probably be violent crime and not e.g. misdemeanor shoplifting, but I do hold the wildly unpopular opinion that prisons should be relatively comfortable, safe, humane environments that hold fewer, worse people for longer.
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@Caepio_Brutus Ironically I think most midwits rely on only system 1 because it makes them think they’re smart, and then consistently get outperformed by people that use system 2, let alone people that use both (I say this as a primarily system 1 thinker).
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@AL4M_1 Yeah those people are terrifying. I can do decent slow thinking but it takes effort.
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@GasFedBeef @CharlesWMcKinn2 This is, in fact, a surprisingly good analogy. The white supremacy and patriarchy of our ancestors forces us to live in a world of structural racism where perpetuating these systems is really hard not to do for the people that benefit from them. Still good to try though.
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@__femb0t Technically cats are sovereign citizens and can only be convicted by international courts, so all of their crimes are war crimes.
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“I” “am” “going” to “try” to “become” “enlightened”.
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@vexwerewolf Yeah I’m always surprised about high magic settings being Western European feudalism and not, like, The Culture but with orcs.
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@ctdonath @brian_noname @random_eddie Life incurs costs. Would you also advise people to "Stop Living" if they are unable to cover these costs?.
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@ChrisAlvino Huge part of it is also shitty chairs. A wfh job in a “gamer” chair messed me up pretty bad, switching to an actual ergonomic chair saw an improvement in weeks.
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@Lenniesaurus I appreciate the "mental illness has been struggling with me" phrasing as a rebrand as well. Very "I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me.".
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@owenbroadcast There was a flower shop down the road from where I lived in phoenix. Never saw anyone go in though there was traffic in the back parking lot. Went in one day and they had some plastic flowers and maybe 2 sad dying bouquets of roses. They did have a large garage out back though.
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I refuse to trust any spiritual guide type figure unwilling to admit they've had a psychotic break at some point if asked.
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@mushycrouton You know how cats freak out if you change their environment too much, but also crave novelty and require it for enrichment? Yeah.
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@latkedelrey Remember kids, if you have depression or mental illness you should isolate yourself until it’s all fixed so you aren’t inflicting your weird selfish bullshit on anyone. What’s that? Those issues are usually lifelong? Sorry, sucks to be you.
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@sonikudzu @thecaptain_nemo Yeah it’s almost like we have micronutrient feedback mechanisms.
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@Engineer_Psych @chef_tian97 @luke_vassor Nah, cybersecurity which is admittedly 90% bullshit and only 10% understanding systems to get them to do what I want at this point in my career, I miss the hacker days.
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@JesseLehrich @chick_in_kiev @Facebook It's also important to note that this doesn't even seem to have been a question of "censoring" disinformation, they could have just chosen to *not shove it in everyone's face* but decided that they cared more about that sweet controversy engagement than a few million human lives.
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A lot of meditative insights are infohazards when converted to language and transmitted without proper context.
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The most important reason to work a retail, food service, or phone support job at some point in your life is to learn that a huge number of people (many of them successful!)make their way through life via a combination of bullying, wishful thinking, and outright lying.
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@AskYatharth Gargle with zinc mouthwash. Knocks out the sore throat aspect of just about any sickness, doesn't necessarily prevent me from getting sick, just almost absolutely kills that symptom.
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@br___ian Accurate for meanings of “fumble” including awkwardness, not for demonstrating major character flaws.
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@JordanUhl @chick_in_kiev I dunno, this new bill kinda sounds like government-mandated ideological indoctrination. You could say it's almost. totalitarian.
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@BecomingCritter I mean yes that’s the reasonable thing to do but some people prefer the kind of certainty that can only really be given as a lie.
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@Aella_Girl Theoretically homeschooled but it turns out most of that was “teach me how to read and then throw me at a bunch of books without supervision” and it worked out surprisingly well.
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@AChillGhost Voynich manuscript bears a striking resemblance to AI-generated imagery of a manuscript.
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@TheGrandBlooms Half the time I think back and go “oh. So that’s what that meant, that’s almost the exact opposite of what I thought at the time “ and realize the futility of any attempt to pass on wisdom that doesn’t sound like a folksy platitude.
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@Authw8 That is a hazard and more common, even when somewhat corrected for it’s a part of why it takes so long.
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@goblinodds Honestly I think most of the reason telling a woman you love her too early results in ick so often is that it signals you might be one of those guys.
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So it turns out the secret to engagement is posting something relatable that points to something directionally undeniable yet controversial in the specifics on multiple levels. Who knew?.
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@chercher_ai @forshaper Higher agency over the external world often as an attempt to compensate for utter lack of agency over the inner world.
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@More_Kat_Moore I’m very very good at intuition and quick thinking, I’m always just shocked at how well it can be approximated or surpassed by chain of thought.
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@laurenancona My headcanon is that a lot of “lacking empathy” from autistic folks is in fact empathic overload from hypersensitive mirror neurons.
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I don’t want anyone getting the idea that I’m spiritually advanced or anything, the point is more that I have to spend a bunch of time on my practice to approximate a well-regulated being capable of enough self-discipline and executive function to fulfill my obligations.
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@forthrighter Yeah, they find (or create) internal consistency in a model and mistake it for reality.
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Sorry, I’m not into causal sex. If its origins can be traced and found to be the result of any actions or circumstances, then it’s not for me. Acausal sex only.
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Anyway I’m going to plug the sequences here-I’m not a rationalist but @ESYudkowsky has put a lot of thought into how to think better and it’s been formative to me, if mostly by osmosis (by the time I read them I was already doing most of these things)
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@IgorBrigadir Related:Forum rule 0, do not act in such a manner that we have to add new rules due to your behavior.
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Won’t you come join the rest of us? The door out is always open.
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@CJHandmer @MurrayJaneMary If the retvrn and redpill folks actually understood that most men died virgins in the premodern era they’d be a lot less enthusiastic about it.
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@thecaptain_nemo I have independently come to the dame conclusion about zinc even though I don’t put much stock in peatery.
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The older I get the more my self-image approaches the intersection of "I'm just some guy" and "'Just Some guy' is a state of being worthy of love and respect".
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@Thomasdvasto Literally the first thing that gets covered in HPMOR is “shit I don’t have a mechanism of action but I guess we gotta do an Empiricism here”.
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@Chinchillazllla What’s really interesting is the trailing off from comparatively high usage in the 18th century.
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Time to facedoxx myself sitting outside the house handing out candy
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@juhakall Yeah all the time. You can get really good results by integrating heuristics from slower reasoning into your intuition loop.
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@nvpkp This is like 50% of my role. The other half is stuff no one else is comfortable doing. Job security 🤞.
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@gabsmashh I remember the first time my grandmother showed me how to exploit a buffer overflow. The way her hands seemed so capable on her ergonomic keyboard.
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Uh, I am suddenly becoming aware of subtle tension *outside* my body. That’s weird. How do I relax something that’s not a muscle? Am I constantly tensing my aura for some reason and what the hell am I trying to do with that?.
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Everyone thinks I’m talking about myself but I’m actually just bragging about my partner. I on the other hand just access information directly from the akashic records.
If you’re a smart person, one day if you pay close attention you’ll meet someone who is soooo much slower at thinking than you, but has superior metacognitive skills, a mastery of system 2 thinking, and it will completely change how you think about intelligence.
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I mean it’s part mindfulness, but that’s just the start of it-it’s finding beauty and. not quite structure, in what happens at whatever scope it’s applied to, like pareidolia. It’s the same thing that makes me hear music in noise. Is it just schizo tendencies or is it more?.
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This is a perfect heuristic for how much personal wealth a person should be allowed to have. Why? Because (federal) taxes destroy money, and so the main purpose of taxing the wealthy is to limit the concentration of power. "Enough power to corrupt the system" is the correct limit.
The team start by observing that your effective rate of income tax *does* climb as your income does, but once you reach $29m, it plateaus - and then, it goes *down*, as extreme wealth unlocks access to tax evasion strategies that are beyond the reach of the merely rich. 25/.
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We have reached the “having to hold back from unskillful replies” phase, the part of my brain that generates snarky responses is still fully functional but it’s never been particularly useful.
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A number of people have pointed out that pairings between fast people and slow people are surprisingly common-I’m in one myself.
If you’re a smart person, one day if you pay close attention you’ll meet someone who is soooo much slower at thinking than you, but has superior metacognitive skills, a mastery of system 2 thinking, and it will completely change how you think about intelligence.
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@JuliusGoat @pookleblinky That guy's follow-up argument was literally "underpaying teachers keeps my taxes low, so it's important to me.".
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@chaosprime Expert mode: do the tasks ahead of time with heroic bursts of effort so you don't have to worry about them later, then beat yourself up because you're not performing dull consistency and are thus "not productive enough".
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@cunha_tristan @woke8yearold Nah it’s like getting promoted to fencing coach only half your team really wanted to be swimmers instead.
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There’s a certain strain of reply on here that amounts to “hah, I had that insight when I was a teenager, pathetic that you’re just realizing this, grow up already ”.
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@liminal_warmth Guys who speak Latin at you want you to know that they are smart and also that they might be a demon.
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You meditate to attain enlightenment. I meditate to work up the resolve to do the dishes. We are not the same. Seriously there are so many dishes why did I let them pile up for half a week.
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@__femb0t I’m going to be so mad if Medieval spontaneous generation theory turns out to be true.
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@Aella_Girl I don’t think A can exist outside of a bubble for very long unless they’re also utterly unwilling to interrogate their own beliefs, which is the real dealbreaker and a shared feature with B.
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@DRMacIver It does kind of make sense though-available nutrition during pregnancy and in the first few months seems to have a massive impact on infant health and mortality and likely personality (I suspect this is part of the reason birthsigns are a thing).
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@50FirstTates @chick_in_kiev This in AZ X10 - not only is no one else doing their part, but they're yanking your part of the work out of your hands, throwing it in a dumpster, and then lighting the whole thing on fire.
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Wait is the reason guys start podcasts just so they have an excuse to hang out and talk with other guys? It’s like a book club? This makes me feel way more favorably towards this impulse.
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Had a weird bump on my arm for about a month. Finally got it out-it was black and perfectly spherical and very hard, about the size of a chia seed. It barely bled on the way out. I feel really weird now.
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