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A lot of ppl don't know this bc it's from an interview with a French magazine, but Mark Hamill says he was on the phone talking with George Lucas about TFA and TLJ during the period he was making all those comments about Luke's character and lamenting Lucas's absence from the ST
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A lot of people just have a really poorly calibrated sense of how self-aware George Lucas is. Like, I guarantee you he knows "Elan Sleazebaggano" is a stupidly on-the-nose name. That's why he gave it to a throwaway character whose entire role in the movie is a joke.
No, George Lucas didn't seriously suggest calling the protagonist of The Force Unleashed "Darth Icky."
Here's Sam Witwer giving his account of the incident, where it's abundantly clear Lucas is, in his usual dry manner, messing with the dev team:
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Burn Notice from 2007 is an example of a show that's severely underrated because it was an old-style procedural with primarily self-contained episodes, in an era where long-from prestige storytelling was becoming more valued. But its execution of its format is endlessly creative.
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No, George Lucas didn't seriously suggest calling the protagonist of The Force Unleashed "Darth Icky."
Here's Sam Witwer giving his account of the incident, where it's abundantly clear Lucas is, in his usual dry manner, messing with the dev team:
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This is the problem with the ancient Jedi texts in The Last Jedi being paper books. It establishes Star Wars as existing in the future of a technological environment that resembled ours. Star Wars is outside of time. Even their primitive texts should utilize exotic technology.
Someone told me once that there's no paper in Star Wars and that sounds ridiculous but I can't remember any paper in those movies
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Remember that the sequel trilogy was the result of one of the world's largest multinational conglomerates embarking on its own version of the Apollo program, mobilizing all its resources, & recruiting all the top talent in the industry in an attempt to match the power of this guy
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"George Lucas just got lucky that he was surrounded by so many talented people"
How do you think he got all those talented people to congregate around him? Talent attracts talent
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You can tell how confident Lucas is in his grasp of the principles of editing from the way he will sometimes intentionally "break the rules" to mess with the audience, like here where he briefly tricks us into thinking Padme got melted:
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He named the fat Star Wars pilot Porkins and then brought the same actor back for Raiders and named him Major Eatin'
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This is the big defining character moment for Indiana Jones in Dial of Destiny, the choice his entire arc in the film--nay, the series--has been leading up to: He weakly begs Helena to leave him in the past to die. Then Helena slugs him, comically knocking him out. Powerful!
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull ending:
"Life doesn't just take things away. It still has things to give."
Dial of Destiny ending:
"Please don't kill yourself."
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I like this scene because Mace is trying to reassure Anakin by telling him that his trust in him will be imminently restored, but Anakin's just hearing that Mace still doesn't trust him. It's a true misunderstanding of intentions that doesn't rely on anyone being flagrantly dense
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We've now had multiple examples of practical clones in Star Wars media so we know this isn't true. They look like cosplayers stumbling around in plastic costumes. Most of the clone shots in the prequels actually look better.
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Rolling Stone's review of The Acolyte repeats the common claim that The Last Jedi "democratize[d]" the Force by showing Force-sensitive characters who don't come from "noble bloodlines."
If only Anakin had been shown with a broom in his hand in The Phantom Menace.
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@retneysholocron
There's obviously some really cool choreography here that was cut out, but the intensity level is basically at the same level as the final Mustafar duel, which is a bit problematic for the start of the movie.
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One of the things Lucas seems most consistently miffed about is the way the sequels handled the Force
"The force, nobody understood the force (...) A lot of those ideas got lost" (when he sold the company)
George Lucas today at Cannes Film Festival 2024
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The argument was never that you can't collide with an object in hyperspace. In fact it is established by Han Solo in the first movie that great care must be taken NOT to collide with objects. Thus it makes no sense to say it can be weaponized to destroy entire fleets.
It's honestly so funny how fans say the Holdo Maneuver "breaks lore cause we'd see it more often" meanwhile Anakin literally did it within the first 4 episodes of the Clone Wars like cmon guys
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The problem with the ending to Dial of Destiny is that it's just him rekindling his relationship with Marion for the third time, only now he's a 70-year-old man and his only child is dead. Not only is it a huge bummer, it retroactively makes the ending to Crystal Skull a bummer.
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For some reason, many don't seem to notice that the prequel Jedi outfits are very similar to what Luke is wearing at the beginning of Return of the Jedi, which was intended to represent the look of the Jedi in their prime.
@derpo377
@punishedgummies
But it's not the exact same. Obi-Wan is wearing a kimono and his robes have billowy sleeves to signal that he's a cross between a samurai and a wizard. That's why this had already become the standard Jedi look by The Empire Strikes Back (Yoda is wearing a small version of it)
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People always say, "Oh, the sequel designs are boring? What about Kylo Ren's shuttle? Didn't that look cool?"
But here's the thing: This is all in the first seven minutes of The Phantom Menace. And the film isn't front-loaded with great designs, the whole thing is like this.
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The original source of the story was one of the dev team members Lucas was messing with, quoted in a 2015 Game Informer article. For some reason everybody decided to just take this story at face value, instead of picking up on the obvious subtext that this guy simply got trolled.
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Slavery is illegal in every part of the galaxy under the control of the Republic, which according to Lucas only exists because of the efforts of the Jedi. The Jedi are good and noble. If The Acolyte is meant to undermine that impression, it is not in line with the prequels.
So nobody paid attention to the prequel trilogy, in which George Lucas painted the Jedi as hopelessly out of touch, living on pedestals in an ivory tower, who do literally nothing about systemic evils like slavery, and get easily manipulated into becoming weapons of fascism?
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Fun fact:
"Jedi Rocks" was composed by Jerry Hey, a 6-time Grammy Award winner & celebrated jazz musician who's collaborated with a laundry list of top artists ranging from Michael Jackson to Toto to Quincy Jones
“Can George Lucas come back to save us from these crappy Disney Shows with dumb witch chants”
An entirely original and 100% George Lucas Idea:
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These are four different environments in The Rise of Skywalker. I love how the color-coding gives each location a distinct mood and feel.
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"He never even said 'just kidding'! Wow, he was really serious!"
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When he was nine years old, Indiana Jones put his beloved dog in a hot air balloon in an attempt to make him "the first dog on the moon."
At the age of 70, Indiana Jones feels threatened and resentful towards children excited about the moon landing.
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Scene developing the relationship between Mutt and Indy. Notice how the two of them have a normal, civil conversation where they share things about themselves, realize things they have in common, Mutt reveals sympathetic qualities without having to boast, and Indy shares advice.
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Apart from anything else, obviously Lucas wouldn't have seriously endorsed the idea of giving a "Darth" name to someone outside the Rule of Two. Clearly, he succeeded in shutting that idea down.
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The political scenes in The Phantom Menace are a showcase for Ian McDiarmid as the ultimate slimy, scheming, manipulative politician. How did it become the received wisdom that this bored everyone to tears?
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If you were making all six films in order, and you got to ROTJ and said to yourself, "Clearly Anakin can't appear as a crippled burn victim. So how should he appear?" the obvious answer would be, "As his former self."
This really isn't the brain twister people make it out to be
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It's underappreciated how much more mature Hayden makes Anakin seem in ROTS than in AOTC by deepening his voice and evolving his mannerisms.
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@derpo377
This has nothing to do with shooting digitally. It's an impressive shot incorporating a real, miniature set, and it's quite convincing in the film. OTOH, I bet you'd fawn over this obvious matte shot from The Empire Strikes Back, simply because it uses "traditional" methods.
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@derpo377
@punishedgummies
But it's not the exact same. Obi-Wan is wearing a kimono and his robes have billowy sleeves to signal that he's a cross between a samurai and a wizard. That's why this had already become the standard Jedi look by The Empire Strikes Back (Yoda is wearing a small version of it)
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@NoahPasternak
By my count Watto has been variously accused of being Jewish, Arab, Italian, Greek, and Turkish. At that point doesn't it just make him vaguely Mediterranean? Rookie mistake honestly, if he had just doubled down on Italian no one would have complained.
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This is the whole idea behind lightsabers. Lightsabers are ancient weapons in the Star Wars universe. There can't be evidence of a medieval period like ours in the Star Wars universe, because they had their own version of it. It's our world put through a filter.
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It's meant to be a mirror of the moment the mercenary places the fedora on young Indy's head in Last Crusade, transitioning to the grown Indy grinning defiantly in the face of his captors before being punched in the face. One of these moments sums up Indiana Jones as a character.
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Here's what I like about the Battle of Geonosis. It's not *just* CG spectacle. There's stories within stories being told. In less than 2 minutes, you have the dramatic arrival of the rescuers, the sudden resumption of mayhem, and then just as quickly an eerie silence is restored.
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The core appeal of the show, aside from the likeable characters and breezy humor, is seeing how Michael uses his ex-spy skills to creatively solve the problems that are thrown at him from week-to-week. That's where the artistry lies, and it excels at it.
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Comparing this to the dull, muddy, artless eel scene in Dial of Destiny serves as an excellent illustration of what makes Kingdom of the Crystal Skull a much better action adventure film
“INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL” was released on this day 16 years ago.
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It's an Indiana Jones film where Indiana Jones spends the entire adventure a broken, surly, depressed, defeated man. It isn't an escape, it isn't fun, it isn't energizing. It makes you feel old and tired like Indy, like you're just slogging through it all out of obligation.
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A huge point is made in the very next scene that Rey just pulled off an incredible maneuver despite having no training and minimal experience.
FINN: "How did you do that?"
REY: "I don't know!"
FINN: "No one trained you?"
Answer: The hate Rey gets for flying the Falcon to escape in TFA is absolute nonsense, and everyone saying “ugh, she’s an expert pilot from the jump” watched a different movie than I did (or a YouTuber who whines about her piloting and parroted it).
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Everyone rightfully dumps on J.J. Abrams for creating a dull character with no plan for an interesting payoff, but for some reason Rian Johnson gets full credit for killing him off near the end of his movie so he didn't have to introduce any new ideas either. Convenient!
this is probably the funniest thing that ever happened in star wars
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Before we've hit the 15-minute mark of The Phantom Menace, we've travelled from the hold of the Trade Federation battlecruiser in outer space, to the verdant paradise of Naboo, to the ethereal underwater city of the Gungans.
And again, the movie just keeps on like this.
People always say, "Oh, the sequel designs are boring? What about Kylo Ren's shuttle? Didn't that look cool?"
But here's the thing: This is all in the first seven minutes of The Phantom Menace. And the film isn't front-loaded with great designs, the whole thing is like this.
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Some people are too young to remember what the Lucas hate was like in the 00's. Sure, Rian Johnson gets a lot of hate online. But imagine if every mainstream critic in the country was on those fans' side and engaging in comparable behavior. That's what Lucas dealt with.
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“Part of the fun of Threepio is he has no soul."
--George Lucas
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What people are missing is that The Force Awakens was hailed as the second coming by virtually everyone when it came out. Is it really plausible that its reputation will IMPROVE in 20 years? What's there for the next generation to reclaim? "Hey, *I* thought Kylo Ren was cool!"
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The walkers in the original six Star Wars films are designed to vaguely suggest familiar forms without being able to be exactly pinned down as any one thing we know on Earth. The walker in The Last Jedi is designed to make you go, "Lmao, that's a gorilla Gorilla arms, bro!"
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Here's a transcript of George Lucas discussing Darth Vader w/ novelization ghostwriter Alan Dean Foster in July 1976. They talk about how Tarkin thinks he's using Vader, but Vader really has much larger designs that go beyond the bureaucracy of the Empire. "He is the Antichrist."
The best thing about watching the original Star Wars for the first time in decades was seeing Darth Vader be a glorified goon: he's insulted by Leia, his coworkers all think he's a religious nut, Tarkin is his only friend. He's a small part of a bigger world, not the center of it
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I agree that asking why Anakin would program a Sith language restriction into Threepio is a silly question, but why would his eyes turn red and his voice get all evil-sounding
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"We've never had a murder mystery in Star Wars before."
Does the name "Uncle Ono" mean nothing to you??
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I think most people already agree the "Ruminations" scene from Revenge of the Sith is transcendent in its excellence, but this series of shots here in particular blow me away. Every editorial choice is perfect. There's complete control of emotional tone.
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@fellawhomstdve
You're confusing "grimdark" for "interesting"
It would be out of character. The whole point is that Luke continues to believe in the good in his father in ROTJ the same way Padme does in ROTS. His mother's love for his father survives in him.
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The exception to this of course is Stone Age-style weapons and technology like the Ewoks have. The caveman is in natural stylistic alliance with the spaceman so it's okay. Just trust me.
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J.J. Abrams was really fixated on imagery of iconic designs from the OT existing as monumental wrecks looming on the horizon. Nothing horribly wrong with the idea in itself, but these became the defining features of these planets--a hollowed out wreck of the OT as an identity.
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The idea that the duels in A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back weren't representative of Jedi fighting at full capacity wasn't totally invented for the prequels. By Return of the Jedi the dueling has already become noticeably more fast-paced and athletic.
Not sure if this is a hot or cold take but I prefer the slower, more deliberate lightsaber duels of the OT over the much faster and spinny prequel style duels.
Lightsabers are incredibly dangerous weapons and they really felt like it in the OT.
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Remember, George Lucas decided to have Hayden Christensen appear shirtless in both of his films for purely story reasons
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Different strokes for different folks, but I have a hard time understanding how you can be a Star Wars fan while believing the Jedi Knights are nothing but villainous assholes, rotten to the core, and always have been. It all seems very sour and miserable. A sickly thing.
BREAKING NEWS:
Fan promedio de Star Wars se entera que los Jedi son unos culeros!!!!1!!1
INSÓLITO!
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It's an incredible misfire that can be laid almost entirely at the feet of the director, who clearly wasn't a good fit for the character.
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Once, just once, I want a Last Jedi fan to be able to tell me, in concrete terms, what the movie was actually about
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Mr. Plinkett can't think of a reason Lucas would prefer Mace Windu to maintain his composure & move with deliberation to confront Palpatine, rather than run frantically thru the Temple hallways yelling while the camera careens around, as in the maestro J.J. Abrams' Star Trek 2009
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@derpo377
@punishedgummies
As you can see, the farmers in Seven Samurai are also wearing clothes that superficially resemble those of the samurai protecting them, but are not the same
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"that's why the Jedi use blades"
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The realization that Star Wars is just a worse version of Dune is actually depressing me. I’ll just be sitting here and then realize “that’s why Luke grew up on a desert planet” or “that’s why the Jedi use blades” or “Darth Maul is just Feyd Rautha” or “the ‘Emperor’ huh?”
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George Lucas went on camera and called the Walt Disney Company "white slavers" because they discarded his story ideas so they could make a more commercial movie. But I'm sure the response to the latest Star Wars streaming series in 2024 weighs heavily on his mind here.
I completely understand why he wouldn’t want to come back but it does make me sad that he has the opportunity and he chooses not to. Can’t say I blame him and after the backlash of the acolyte I’m sure he REALLY doesn’t want to come back. I hope he’s living his best life 🤍
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The problem is it's not very funny. It's yet another Joss Whedon-y sort of metajoke. It's the epitome of "Um, so THAT just happened." Characters in this fantasy universe shouldn't be so gobsmacked that soldiers are using jetpacks. What's funny is that the situation got worse.
Still so stupid that people get bothered by this scene.
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I'm tired of all the toxic negativity toward Ki-Adi-Mundi for ordering those Geonosians to be torched with flamethrowers. They were giant ugly termites and they deserved it. If you can't understand that, you don't belong in this fandom--period.
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Another point:
99% of Anakin's and Obi-Wan's interactions in The Clone Wars are them bickering just like they do in Attack of the Clones. You know why? Because it's funny, just like it is in AOTC!
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Return of the Jedi spends a great deal of screentime showing how Luke is pushed further and further past his limit and convincing the audience he could come to want to kill his evil father. The Last Jedi has a V.O. narrated flashback and says, "Hey, remember that other movie?"
"Luke would never be momentarily tempted by the dark side" shows a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of Star Wars and more fundamentally of those inside of Star Wars with Skywalker blood.
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The other hijacks the emotional resonance of a scene from another film in an attempt to trick you into thinking it's saying something meaningful about the character. But in this moment, instead of becoming powerful, Indy dons the hat and then gives up. Helena chooses for him.
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The things that get accused of being "overexplanations" in the prequels are mostly just there because Lucas found an idea fun or humorous. The post-Lucas stuff about Han Solo's last name or the Death Star exhaust port all reflect anxiety about "plot holes"
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First few episodes of The Clone Wars seemed to very deliberately be driving home the point that the Jedi valued the clones' lives. By this time the EU had gone off the rails in an extremely anti-Jedi direction on this issue.
This was when Clone Wars was a cartoon network show and it's not even a funny clip. It's just something that fills me with hope.
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It's funny to recall when the story came out that J.J. Abrams had a meeting with George Lucas before production on TROS, and it was reported as if wacky George just started rambling about midi-chlorians for no reason. Turns out, he was probably trying to explain something!
@Kit_fist_flow
PALPATINE WAS NEVER ACTUALLY TRYING TO CHEAT DEATH IN THE PREQUELS! IT WAS A SUBTERFUGE TO CONVERT ANAKIN!
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I think it's good that Mission: Impossible chooses to be unabashedly about the power of friendship
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Of course there's no evidence anyone "told" George Lucas this, but there's also nothing all that ridiculous about Han Solo starting out as a grizzled alien space pirate. That's a reasonable character idea for a space opera. And the Han we know wouldn't exist without this idea.
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Even fans of the films will often incorrectly describe the dialogue as "campy." But camp isn't intended seriously, it's meant to be funny. Lucas's dialogue is *corny* and he knows it, but it's meant in earnest.
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What's interesting is Lucas actually addresses this viewpoint in the film itself with the main child character. Anakin thinks Qui-Gon must have come to free the slaves, because he had a dream *he* was a Jedi and that's what he did. He also thinks it's impossible to kill a Jedi.
One of the most peculiar heroes in modern pop culture. Passive stoic who is nominally devoted to justice but only helps anyone out of extreme reluctance or self interest. He doesn't really seem to like anybody but he's not a curmudgeon either. Vancouver-style aloof Zen guy
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I feel like this kind of thing is almost a lost art these days. There was some of that old spirit in Breaking Bad and then Better Call Saul, but diluted in a prestige drama delivery format. They won't let you go full MacGyver anymore.
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I've seen people criticize this as confusing editing, even though Lucas clearly knew what he was doing and put a "gotcha" shot showing Padme alive immediately afterward
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I love the replies to this where people are posting things like, "If I were Padme, I would have called the cops." It's such a complete and perfect misunderstanding of the essence of the Western genre. I have no other notes.
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George Lucas:
"There's a thematic issue going on here of concentric circles. They're kind of in heaven, only when they fight they're in this...red hell in the middle of this capsule. A world within a world within a world, rings of worlds..."
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@MattZeitlin
It's a logical mirror to this shot from Return of the Jedi where Luke is tempted in a similar way but ultimately rejects the dark side, but it's not really what's most interesting about the presentation of the scene
A fantastic moment during the anointing scene in Revenge of the Sith:
Notice the way Anakin sinks down and seems to crawl toward Sidious like a man dying of thirst in the desert being offered water. He's desperate and willing to debase himself if that's what it takes.
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"Even the Jedi are there, but the Jedi aren't really allowed to be involved in the political process. They're there, but they can't suddenly step in and say, 'No no, you can't do that' and stuff. They have to let the political process go."
--George Lucas, Episode II commentary
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@zei_squirrel
What ppl are missing by pointing out that Lucas himself became rich off SW is that he had to struggle to get it made bc the studio didn't think it would make money, and he only secured creative control bc he was lucky and got the studio to sign a bad contract.
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@i_zzzzzz
He's just stating a fact. The Jedi have no power on Tatooine because it's not a part of the Republic. He got diverted there while fleeing with a dignitary who's being hunted to prevent her from saving her planet from an occupation. He didn't come there to emancipate slaves.
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@jenheddle
Darth isn't a title. It's a first name. It always has been and it still is. In an early AOTC draft, Yoda refers to it as a "forename," which means first name:
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On the same theme, Darth Sidious predicts he can control the Queen because she is "young and naive." She becomes disillusioned with the virtuous Valorum, her most loyal ally, because she perceives his powerlessness against the system. And so she replaces him with someone strong.
What's interesting is Lucas actually addresses this viewpoint in the film itself with the main child character. Anakin thinks Qui-Gon must have come to free the slaves, because he had a dream *he* was a Jedi and that's what he did. He also thinks it's impossible to kill a Jedi.
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This is one of those photos that seems like it's going to become more and more iconic
George Lucas and Ian McDiarmid behind the scenes of 'Revenge of the Sith' (2005)
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A detail which some have noted is that Revenge of the Sith ends with the newborn Leia awake and aware, and the newborn Luke asleep and dreaming. This is not only appropriate to their natures, but accounts for Leia retaining a memory of her mother where Luke does not.
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There's a lot of focus on the way Anakin's demeanor changes to become colder and more Vader-like after the scene in Palpatine's office. But the moment Padme realizes he's changed is when he's acting very cheerful and Anakin-like *while* imploring her to rule the galaxy with him.
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Good writing: Mutt says something annoying (but which derives from his major character flaws) and Indy, annoyed along with the viewer, responds appropriately. Mutt, properly chastised, internalizes the criticism and takes action to win Indy's approval, growing as a character.
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It's undeniable that Indy is a weak, sad character in this film. It's not a place where he starts off and then gradually finds his way out. This is the choice he makes at the pivotal moment: to give up, to surrender. This is followed by an abrupt, tacked-on, bittersweet ending.
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@lukeisamazing
But the key factor here is that there actually was a generation that grew up watching and loving the prequels. I'm skeptical that The Last Jedi, a film that unlike the prequels was warmly embraced by the adult media class, was actually a sleeper phenomenon with 12-year-olds.
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Mr. Plinkett had a big problem with Obi-Wan saying, "This weapon is your life." But yes, I imagine a knightly order of sword-wielding warriors might place great importance in their swords. That's kind of why tossing it aside is such a meaningful gesture, wouldn't you think?
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"The romantic dialogue in Attack of the Clones is terrible. You expect me to believe Anakin could woo Padme while complaining about sand and advocating for benevolent despotism?"
Ben-Hur, one of the greatest movies ever made:
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Obi-Wan's first meeting with Jango is a tense scene that works very well, thanks in large part to its blocking and skillful use of shot/reverse shot.
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At the time ROTJ was made, "As his former self" meant taking the actor who played him unmasked and making him look a normal, healthy person. But in the context of the prequels, there was now obviously a much more intuitive option for how a pre-Vader Anakin should appear.
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@NathanA46398880
I honestly think holocrons are what ancient texts look like. The question had already been answered.
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"[T]he overarching theme of the Jedi being their worst enemies"
I love how these takes just keep getting further and further away from anything that is actually in the films or the TV series
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Here's Ewan McGregor on a talk show back in 2011, when anti-prequel sentiment was still strong, telling one of his horror stories about green screen that makes Lucas sound quite hapless. But the story is about the final scene of Revenge of the Sith, which turned out beautifully!
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The cantina actually has a bunch of really well-designed aliens. This is because Lucas wasn't satisfied with the low-budget feel of a lot of the initial designs, so he secured funding to design better monsters and insert them into the scene via reshoots.
It’s like in Star Wars when they go to the cantina, kind of my platonic ideal world building scene but you look at the background and it’s like guys in random Halloween costumes. A werewolf, some sorta Devil
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One of the reasons The Last Jedi is such a deep movie is because Luke gives a synopsis of the plot of the prequels
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