@Dirtdragonmom
I'm gonna hafta go with turkeys.
Grew up on a farm and they used to jump up onto the roof and lurk. Something I didn't know about turkeys before we raised them- they're like magpies, they love shinies.
When I was a kid I had one of those iPod Minis that clip onto your pocket.
@WomnOfValor
I for one am deeply grateful for the massive work these no-effort fellows and red pill men have been putting in toward me making me look fantastic in comparison.
@DelaKram75
"This wasn’t the perfect puritan prayer"
In my experience God would rather receive a raw and honest prayer like yours than a hundred "perfect puritan prayers" that say all the church words but fail to touch the heart.
@WomnOfValor
@PlastiqSoldier
100% agree. I've noticed that even in their replies to my own comments that there is an assumption that any engagement a man has with a woman's content is with the motive of securing her attention for a "shot with her".
Quite a few men on both sides just seem completely
@WomnOfValor
"If women voted we wouldn't have a Christian nation within 50 years!"
Meanwhile the church is disproportionately attended by women who seem more sensitive to God's call than modern men at the moment.
@Cluffalo
If they feel bad and apologize the response from these men will be to call it manipulation.
For them the only purpose these women can possibly serve is to be publicly castigated as a warning to others not to stray from the redpill ideal.
@WomnOfValor
It seems like folks are gonna do their absolute best to drive her out of the church with their own ugliness, and if they succeed they'll say "See? She was never one of us."
@WomnOfValor
Huh. Well, my book tells me to behave like Christ toward a woman I would marry. I think I'll keep doing that over whatever the heck this is.
@WomnOfValor
Bodies age, change and wear out as they go. You can tell some things about a person by how well they care of their fitness, sure; but yes- marry a person, not their flesh.
@WomnOfValor
"Fear not the bear which can destroy but flesh alone; rather fear ye the yoga pants which can destroy both body and soul when lust leadeth thee into hellfire."
1 Theobro 10:28
@WomnOfValor
For me it's the "Shut up" part. If the post had read "The key to marital harmony is to hand your husband a steak", I'd have taken it as humorous.
Telling the wife she has to shut up communicates that her speaking is part of the problem, and effectively that her husband just
@crazypastor
I struggle to imagine a more loving act that encouraging people into a relationship with Jesus. He is after all the "Wonderful Counselor" to those who are grieving.
@Curi_Christian
Omnipotence is the ability to do anything that is logically possible to do. Not an even an omnipotent being can bring into reality a contradiction. Creating a "free" will that somehow isn't free to sin would be such.
@autocorrect2_0
Even in the best cases it is easy to envision scenarios in which a purely empathy-based ethic would lead to immoral actions unless bounded by other abstract moral principles, which brings the grounding problem right back into play.
@Cluffalo
Ironically many of these same men trying to blame their wives for their own porn addiction will also proudly declare themselves the heads of their marriages and households.
If you're the head, the buck stops with you, fellas. You bear all of the responsibility for disciplining
@WomnOfValor
Worship of logic and rationality to the exclusion of emotion and intuition seems very much to be a post-enlightenment thing. The men described in Scripture were passionate people. You can't read David and then turn around and try to tell me that only women are emotional.
@MACHINEHERALDIC
@WomnOfValor
Sir, we can see the "likes" on your page and they are full of anime porn. I don't think you have the standing to be commenting here.
@WomnOfValor
If we're lucky her work will also lead all of the people who ridiculed and doubted her to some serious self reflection about how their attitudes are at cross-purposes with Christ's Kingdom.
But more likely they'll just find something else to be mean about.
@Cluffalo
Well said. Anyone speaking with admiration of these men is in effect admitting that they would like to be doing the same.
At some point the one-woman family man was very effectively branded as "boring" in the public culture image, and that messaging has clearly sunk in deep.
@TheMuppetPastor
Speaking as a loan officer I would call the average closer to 30-40k, but 50 hasn't been uncommon. More if it's a truck. Trucks are crazy.
@MikeWingerii
There's also an error in the "leading people to Christ = credibility" implication. While all are to be engaged in the work of evangelism, not all are equally gifted in it. Some are called be teachers, shepherds, etc.
When you're discussing calling out false doctrine, you're
@WomnOfValor
When you consider that women are made as much in the image of God in their femininity as men are made in his image in their masculinity, it says a lot about the faith of some of these people. If you hate women, you hate God.
But for those who truly believe the church is too
@WomnOfValor
Burgers count, right?
If so, Five Guys, Duluth MN, 2012. Indescribable. My life has two sections: Before that burger, and after that burger.
I visited a Five Guys recently for the first time in years trying to recapture that experience. Didn't quite get me back there, but still
@autocorrect2_0
Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Seems like someone was feeling a little exposed.
@WomnOfValor
@milky_selena
I think it possibly relates to the answer pastors and teachers were trained at the time to give whenever young men in the congregation asked the "But why?" question.
"Why do I have to abstain from sex?" - Rather than appealing simply to God's standard, we had a habit of trying
@autocorrect2_0
Can confirm. We had professors trying to teach interpretations that were justified with logical errors a third grader could have spotted, in an effort to try to harmonize with secular scholarship.
Any attempt to actually engage with those views and their merits in the classroom
@WomnOfValor
I would honestly have never believed how bad it was before coming to twitter. As someone training to become a pastor the last few weeks have given me a lot to think about in terms of where church discipleship for men needs to be headed.
@_nomadic_soul
This isn't even just an every woman thing, it's a thing for everyone who has women in their life that they care about. If you have young sisters or a daughter, how safe do you feel for them when they go for a run alone in the evening, particularly in an urban area?
@WomnOfValor
It isn't as if we have accounts of Jesus encouraging women to sit and learn at his feet in the same manner Rabbinical students would or anything.
Oh, wait.
@MikeWingerii
I'd put forward that there is indication that God frowns on large government/excessive taxation, given that this is an argument he put forward against Israel raising up a king.
@WomnOfValor
Might have to send this to my brother in law and ask if this is actually him...
Cows can be pretty curious and playful. If you're in their space they'll often come over and check you out. If you run away from them while they're ambling over, they'll think it's a game and chase
@WomnOfValor
That there are Christians openly questioning this woman's sincerity rather than rejoicing and looking to support a new sister in any way possible is absolutely baffling to me.
@WomnOfValor
@itswendaytoday
Big thing here is that it really isn't for any of us on twitter to command her to do anything with the money. She has one Lord now, and it isn't any of us.
The Spirit may move her to do something with the money. He's already led her to give up some of the clothing and whatnot.
@jillianlovesjc
What you're experiencing is called enslavement to sin, my fellow.
It begins with any compromise with your flesh at all. "It's just porn; it isn't hurting anyone. It's in the privacy of my own home- and the women making it clearly like it, after all!" Who is hurt by that kind of
@jillianlovesjc
Had you asked me a year or two ago I would have said yes to both and argued both passionately.
These days I increasingly see people using politics as a savior-replacement and being genuinely led astray by it.
I'd still call it important but I would also more strongly urge
@Cluffalo
Or in my case she hits a tennis ball at me and I don't realize it until two years later as a shower thought. "Waitaminute-"
I'll get there someday, hopefully. 😅
@autocorrect2_0
America isn't the world, either. Christianity has slowed somewhat in the West, but is expanding rapidly in much of Asia and Africa. I've been there to see it firsthand.
God will achieve his purposes. Perhaps the West must decline for a time so that others can rise further.
@igarglewithfire
I wonder if she realized how readily we would embrace her if her conversion and embrace of Christ were genuine.
The depths of her obsession with Nala make me think that on some level she is deeply jealous of what Nala found.
@Cluffalo
I suspect that a not-insubstantial fraction of "female promiscuity" is ultimately done out of the hope or belief that succumbing to the pressure to sleep with the man they are with will eventually lead to a loving marriage. "Give him what he wants in order to get what I want."
@autocorrect2_0
It's worth noting too that this encounter and command with God did not happen in a vacuum for Abraham. This wasn't a schizophrenic voice in his head that he had no basis to trust. By this point in his story he had already had several face-to-face encounters with God and had
@igarglewithfire
I am increasingly convinced that the Spirit is actively using her to expose sin lurking in the hearts of many who call themselves believers.
He uses the weak to shame the strong; in the same way he'll use an ex-sex worker to shame our religious hypocrites. She has been much
@ChrisHohnholz
💯
It is strange how so many men on twitter seem to be under the impression that women on twitter are called to submit to them as if they were that woman's spiritual authority.
@DDanB21
Why would we ever expect her to "prove her salvation"?
In the event that she turns out to be deceptive regarding her conversion, she'll answer for it come the judgement.
In the meantime, unless she begins spreading some sort of false teaching, I see no reason we ought to be
@autocorrect2_0
Well explained, and a good reminder that when addressing sin questions we should make sure to wrap our answers back around into the gospel. If we stop our answers at "Yes this is a sin" and that is all we talk about, we contribute a bit to this confusion that law obedience is all
@MauroDias13
@crazypastor
If I did not believe I could show it to be true, I wouldn't preach it.
Given that I know it to be true, the most hateful thing I could possibly do is keep it to myself.
@katsandhearts
This is a really disturbing degree of Scripture-twisting. Imagine how utterly depraved your view of women has to be to call them non-image-bearing tools for your pleasure.
@YugoslavStoic
@NicholasZa73290
@Cluffalo
This question doesn't even necessarily have marriage in view. If you don't want to marry one of these women, don't.
That question that seems to be in view here is- what can these women do to be 'redeemed' from the constant onslaught of derogation from people like you.
You can
@autocorrect2_0
I admit I go back and forth on this. I am naturally a rather logic-oriented "Facts don't care about your feelings" sort of person, and my responses tend to reflect that- but I have been warned (by well-meaning friends) that I occasionally come off as lacking empathy when I am
@JimboPastoral
Their credit must be terrible. I'm a loan officer and our rates are 6-7% right now, and that is -horrible- compared to what they were back in 22.
But if they are talking about 'letting it be repossessed' as a way to get out of it, that'd explain it. 🙃
@LatestandNatest
@Blondes_tweets
When Jesus encountered the woman at the well (who was also in sexual sin), she went and proclaimed him before her entire town and led to the salvation of many. It is a fairly common response in Scripture.
We have a sort of knee-jerk reaction these days to "hide our sinners"
@autocorrect2_0
Take a look at the Biblical treatment of women side by side with the treatment of women in the surrounding cultures at the time, and you will begin to see the heart of God written in the stark contrast between the two.
@NicholasZa73290
@Cluffalo
What do you mean by owing them a better life, precisely?
What is it that you think people are trying to compel you to offer them?
The general thrust of my particular comment is that you do still owe them the basic respect and dignity you owe anybody else. If your definition of
@farmingandJesus
I think there's a small bit of worldly logic that creeps in to things like this.
Can a woman who has fornicated, gotten into debt, and is covered in tattoos be redeemed? Yes, of course!
Would have been better if she hadn't done those things while still knowing Jesus? Yes, of
@autocorrect2_0
We could’ve evolved to not see a certain color or spectrum of light and it could be everywhere but we just don’t process it.
This is already the case, even. Our eyes process only a portion of the light spectrum. There are animals that can see higher and lower bands than we can,
@Unmanageable22
@Nathan94217721
@autocorrect2_0
Even if we concede that homosexuality is indeed a result of nature and not some manner of nurture, what follows from that? Your nature forced you to sin, therefore you should be counted innocent?
We all have a sinful nature. "I was born this way" is true of every single one of
@autocorrect2_0
The practice of seeking the whole and harmonized counsel of Scripture has become something of a lost art in favor of this "verse-fu", yes.
@autocorrect2_0
The ability to submit- that is, to have the self-control to discipline yourself into obeying someone else even if you disagree, despite having the ability to do otherwise, and doing this voluntarily out of love, is a high virtue.
The person who can do this demonstrates a
@igarglewithfire
I would defend pretty much any opinion I hold this way, honestly. Appeals to the majority aren't persuasive to me. If someone wants to persuade me that I am wrong, it will need to be with reason.
@TheMuppetPastor
It is very easy when reading those stories to let your eyes gloss over all the patience and grace being shown and then sit up and pay attention when the flashy judgement happens, which leads to a sort of illusion that God in the Old Testament was only concerned with judgement.
@farmingandJesus
When I was on the mission field I ran into some cults and occasionally met with them and let them try to 'evangelize' me just so that I could see what tactics they were using, so that I could train Christians in countering it.
They'd often point to a slightly opaque passage and
@blonde_emk
Seriously. The heavens celebrated this woman's conversion.
All of the hate she's getting just sends the message to anyone else trapped in the porn industry but considering Jesus: 'If you come to Christ, we'll do this to you too'.
People advancing Satan's kingdom out here.
@mfaithfulx
@igarglewithfire
For real. This massive amount of attention and doubt-casting has to be terrifying for anyone else in the industry who has been feeling a call from Christ.
"If I come to Christ are they going to treat *me* like that?"
Feels like the Body is at odds with the Spirit right now.
@autocorrect2_0
"I'm sure the gazillions of Bible translations had nothing to do with that."
Someone needs to introduce this man to Voddie Baucham.
(Or, well- Jesus first. Then Voddie.)
@WomnOfValor
I wonder what it would look like if all of those who are skeptical about her made it their mission to show her the love of Christ to such a degree that what they believe to have been a "fake" conversion would become a real one.
That seems to me to be a more Biblical response.
@Derekjgreat
@Curi_Christian
You're trying to have your cake and eat it too there. By definition if the will is free, you are not able to bind it to specific outcomes. A will that is specifically designed to never exercise its freedom does not have freedom.
@Rothmus
It's because your car loan moved from the "open trade" portion of your credit score to the "closed trade" portion. All of the positive payment history and such is still considered in your score, but the closed trade section has a lower "weight" in your overall score than open
@onelousypetunia
@autocorrect2_0
Haha, I think a slightly younger me would have wanted that to be true! As I get a wee bit older (and hopefully just a tiny bit wiser, maybe) I try to consciously take a more balanced approach.
We certainly can't sacrifice our message for the sake of coddling- the truth remains
@WomnOfValor
Admittedly I also reflexively read "purity culture" as just "abstinence until marriage" until some of the engagement here caused me to dig deeper and figure out what was being referred to. Makes sense now!
@farmingandJesus
I view it as essentially the same as the "Can we eat meat that was offered to idols?" question that Paul deals with in the epistles.
Just like as you say that every pose is worship to a Hindu god, virtually every piece of meat sold in the markets of the Roman cities was from an
@1mistereddy
For real though. Folks seem to be forgetting that there are actual people on the other sides of these screens.
There are self-professed Christians on here insulting each other in ways that would absolutely mortify me if the words even popped into my head while thinking about
@Cluffalo
I sometimes get drawn into arguments that are very "out in the weeds", but I feel compelled to just in the off chance that it is being read by people who genuinely didn't know that Christianity has answers for some of this stuff.