trandrea dworkin, dangerous misandrist
@madtranny
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anthro turned dv worker turned organizer; studied trauma, memory & epistemological politics of psych dx; twt abt disability, psych, sts, csa, abuse; she/her
occupied očhéthi šakówiŋ land
Joined August 2022
"the truth is complicated". lmao she made some very basic and milquetoast criticisms of games and got absolutely crucified for it. it's not all that complicated actually.
Over a decade ago Anita Sarkeesian became the most despised woman on the Internet with the rise of her YouTube show Feminist Frequency. but was the hate justified?. The truth is complicated, so after countless hours of research I made a 90 minute video detailing my findings.
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speaking as someone who grew up in a fundamentalist evangelical home, i think most leftists not familiar with that culture absolutely don't understand how incredibly horny (in all the grossest ways) purity culture actually is.
"Purity culture" isn't just being "anti-sex." It's about reifying women as existing for male sexual use, and then privatizing and regulating that access. It's about enforcing heterosexuality and maintaining a male supremacist society where husbands have utter control over wives.
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the "woman" was a pregnant 18yo in a profoundly conservative and patriarchal culture you shameless fucking ghoul.
The woman who died in Texas came from an anti-choice family and was supposedly pro-abortion ban herself. After her avoidable death, her mother is quoted as asking “why didn’t they help the miscarriage along?” . They never think the leopards are going to eat their face.
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this is literally just old school mra anti-feminism. a woman being leader of a patriarchal institution does not magically render that institution no longer patriarchal, anymore than the presidency of barak obama magically rendered the u.s. government no longer racist.
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i am absolutely begging people who post this shit to do just a basic ass overview of what *actual* male-male sexuality looked like in greco-roman cultures. to the extent this represents actual sex people were actually having, the guy in the middle would be either a slave or child.
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but i thought our rape laws were super carceral? i thought there was a war on sex offenders???.
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i've spent a lot of my life pretty lonely and yet i've never sexually assaulted anyone. loneliness doesn't cause sexual violence, rapists and abusers do. really tired of sexual violence being framed as secondary to some deeper issue (loneliness, poverty, etc).
i would like to add that this is a cyclical problem. fascism will create loneliness, creating more predators, and in this case, more predators will make more violence. your quick and violence fueled dopamine hits arent worth making the situation worse.
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“sex work is the oldest trade in the world!”. psst! would you like to take a guess at what the oldest form of oppression in the world is?.
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"rape is caused by sex-negativity" jfc 💀.
This was what the BBC documentary had to say about Bill Cosby. The tiptoeing around the Gaiman thing reminded me of it.
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feminism is when women make choices, the more choices the more feminism it is.
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it is genuinely terrifying that a supposed expert in sex could misunderstand sexual violence this badly.
This was what the BBC documentary had to say about Bill Cosby. The tiptoeing around the Gaiman thing reminded me of it.
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me: fuck the pigs! . the left: hell yeah! . me: punch nazis!. the left: right on!. me: more dead ceos please!. the left: *thunderous cheering*. me: fuck pedos! . the left: woah hold up there lady! you can't just say such inflammatory things you know?? very reactionary of u rly 😕.
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"believes fiction affects reality". genuinely what is this bizzaro metaphysics in which "reality" and "fiction" represent two absolutely separate domains with zero relation to each other?.
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these men weren't "queer" and roman-greco cultures weren't more "sexually liberated". they were proto-fascist patriarchies run by extremely sexually violent child rapists. that they were really into "porn" too is not making the argument you think it is!!!.
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people act like feminism has this simplistic "woman inherently good, man inherently bad" analysis but actually a huge part of feminism is literally just asking "how do we criticize shitty patriarchal women without falling into the many misogynistic traps inherent to such a Q?".
“He's not a rapist": at the Pelicot trial, these women have come to support their accused husbands:.
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"have you ever noticed that oppressed people spend a lot of time talking about their oppression?? hmmmmmm really makes you think!".
Radfems will claim they have “decentered” men in their lives then spend their days crying about how much they dislike men on twitter. Tell me, who is really obsessed with men?.
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the amount of himpathy y’all have for teen boys sexually exploiting girls is fucking wild.
Arresting 13 and 14 year olds for "deep fakes," labeling them sex offenders for life, throwing them out as irredeemable trash while they are still children, and ruining their remaining decades on this earth will not address the problem. But it will ruin a lot more lives.
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can we talk about how fucked it is that “don’t reveal your trauma when dating” is probably the most common advice i see in csa survivor support groups?.
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neither. the “putiteen” is largely a figment of my fellow millennials’ imagination and to the extent that it indexes anything at all it is an entirely understandable frustration with the sex-positive feminism of my generation and its total failure to confront sexual violence.
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@RiotLinguist like my dad loved nothing more than to make uncomfortable jokes about how "sexy" my mom was in front of us.
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like yeah guys! the proto-fascist patriarchy upon which our own fascist patriarchy was modeled also produced tons of material culture documenting and reinforcing the violent sexual subjugation of marginalized genders!.
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@latkedelrey my favorite part is when the adhd'er then gets blamed for the nt's misinterpretation lol.
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@vivtheTgirl @darth_helga @catalystcomett ok. greco-roman men were very into raping little boys and socially subjugated males (slaves, non-citizens). they very much were not "gay" or "queer", they saw being penetrated as the worse possible fate and this is evidence of how much they loved all the rape they were doing.
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sexual violence is far and away the most underreported form of crime, when it is reported police frequently side with the rapist and if they actually do pursue your case it is still one of the hardest crimes to get an actual conviction for.
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masculinity is inherently violent. and no, i am not interested in abstract, idealist hypotheticals about a "healthy masculinity" in some post-patriarchy (where apparently the gender binary still exists??). such a thing has never existed and there is no reason to believe it could.
@adathelearner If you think men are inherently violent you arguably never started being a feminist.
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i was going to do a bit about how obviously manual laborers also sell their bodies, but honestly can we talk about this insistence that there is literally no analytically important distinction between the experiences of doing manual labor and sex work?.
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“eVeRyBoDy HaTeS pEdOs!! cHiLd SeXuAl AbUsE iS uNiVeRsAlY tHe MoSt HaTeD cRiMe EvEr!!!!!”.
@carolinekwan Okay, First I am not condoning Steven, however the facts are that he was 19, the 12 year old repeatedly stated she was 16, which was the legal age of consent in the UK, and he admitted AND served his sentence for. Yes it was a bad situation but we should all move on??.
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@peachwoon that's what i keep thinking! like coming from an anthro background i know what she's talking about and being skeptical towards academics is good, but like. has the english lit phd with the dissertation on smell done anything to suggest she's doing that kind of research?.
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proshippers: fiction doesn't affect reality! fapping it to cartoon ch*ld p*rn doesn't affect how you view and treat children in any way! . also proshippers: *proceeds to treat anyone they perceive as a minor with the utmost contempt and arrogance to "put them in their place"*.
@gaptoothsupreme @_x_Silas_x_ You are a minor interacting with adults in adult spaces that you willingly interact with and them blames the adults you interact with from putting you on your place. Yeah I'm sure the dumb one lmao.
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@benzostraydogs @queersocialism you're literally doing the thing where pointing out an oppressive situation (women *are* treated as only good for sex & reproductive) is framed as somehow creating and/or supporting that oppressive situation.
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"young people who think my generation is creepy for constantly sexually pursuing them are basically like fascists".
Zoomers are such a doomed generation. Half of them are incel MAGA degenerates who want to repeal the 19th amendment, and the other half think a 30 year old dating a 25 year old is predatory.
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describing the patterns of behavior through which men have historically constructed and maintained a violent gender hierarchy is not bioessentialism actually 🙄.
@sandhimafia People would rather scream and cry bioessentialist reasons why men are inherently evil and women are inherently not instead of doing any real thinking about any societal factors and how we can progress.
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omg did sophie lewis seriously write an essay about how misandry is real?
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the "patriarchy has no oppressor class and only serves to divide workers and reproduce capitalism" crowd really need to grapple with the several millennia of patriarchy that existed prior to - and in fact helped enable! - the rise of capitalism.
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"we can't punish rapists bc reactionaries call all queer people rapists" is such a tired & ridiculous take. queer ppl r disproportionately *victimized* by sexual predators. acting like people hating rapists, or even saying they should be castrated, is reactionary doesn't help us.
additionally — and i am far from the first person to point this out — in an era where all LGBTQ people are being portrayed by the far right as sexual predators by default, what do you think the end result of giving the gov’t full reign to limitless punishment would be.
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@thrasherxy this is some “my poor son brock won’t even eat his favorite sacks anymore 😭” ass shit.
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"'whites are inherently bad' is a horrific view to have, by the way. also, thinking like this means that it's never going to get better. thinking that anti-racism is pointless.".
“Men are inherently bad” is a horrific view to have, by the way. Also, thinking like this means that it’s never getting better. Thinking that feminism is pointless.
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"oh you think it's weird that i regularly dress up as a confederate soldier and play civil war? how belittling, i guess you think i'm too stupid to distinguish reality from fantasy".
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i suspect a lot of gay men who regularly bottom have experienced more sexual violence than they realize. in fact it seems to me that part of the function of a certain kind of gay anti-feminism is to obfuscate this fact.
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retribution is good actually. a society in which it’s clear that abusing, raping, stalking, etc is likely to get you an ass beating is good actually. the problem with prisons is not that they’re punitive but that they control and structure retribution in oppressive ways.
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don’t know much about this salem person but his defenders sure are telling me a lot
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“um akshually all the stats are wrong and both the oppressed and the oppressor are subject to this form of systemic violence in roughly equal measure” is such a wild fucking take. we ain’t never getting free 😭.
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this is one of the cornerstones of lefty abuse apologia and it’s rife in academic discourse. to recognize someone as victimized is, supposedly, to “rob them of their agency” and infantilize them.
Very telling how "infantilization" is brought up whenever anyone points out power imbalances, even in situations where allegations of sexual abuse are present. You can say you didn't consent, and people will still take offense on your behalf at the idea that you didn't consent.
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it really cannot be stressed enough how similar "rapid onset gender dysphoria" & "false memory syndrome" are. parents claiming their child has been the victim of a "social contagion" in order to override that child's epistemic authority and reassert their own and regain control.
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i've seen this "punishing rapists is bad because it will discourage survivors from outing their abusers" take a lot recently and its such a wild stretch.
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500,000 children are sexually abused a year. 1/4 girls will be sexually assaulted before 18. why then are we surprised when young people are increasingly dissatisfied with an approach to sexuality that has had little to say about this violence except to call it a moral panic?.
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the idea that "what about the murderers & rapists?" is some inherently bad faith argument only ever brought up by ppl who never intended to seriously consider abolitionist politics in the first place is so fucking absurd and demonstrates a total disconnect from survivor politics.
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this is so critical to discussions about purity culture. it is not, in fact, "anti-sex". it is pro patriarchal sex, it is pro abuse, it is pro sexual assault. the entire point of "purity" is not to be "anti-sex" but to fetishize innocence and youth.
Because it’s not sexy. The whole purity culture movement is based on the fetishization of youth, girlishness, virginity, etc. A sixteen year old who knows she’s supposed to do what the pastor says but not why he’s doing it is hotter to said pastor. That’s why it happens.
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quite frankly my fellow millennials need to stfu about how the kids are all puritans these days and *actually listen* to what younger people are trying to tell us about their lives and experiences.
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yeah no sexualizing nuns is a totally liberatory attack on fundamentalist religion and not at all reproducing the patriarchal ideology of the very religious institution you claim to be opposing 🙄.
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the idea that it's somehow racist or colonialist to suggest that humanity first learned how to dominate on the bodies of women represents a disturbing erasure of actual indigenous and global south feminisms.
@madtranny @zanyfen @dead_berserker @kayteterry @dasmeff Oh no, you're actually inclined to defend the (blatantly eurocentric) assertion that slavers enslaved their wives first. Well, I think we're done here. A pleasure, as ever, trandrea. Goodnight.
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the pornography industry is the propaganda arm of cishetero-patriarchy.
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you'll notice that radfems are very often women who fit conventionally "feminine" standards of beauty, and because they haven't had to experience being put down for not looking "woman" enough by the general public they don't understand why trans people aid in dismantling misogyny.
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one of the things working with dv survivors has made me realize is that when a lot of supposed “anti-racists” talk about poc what they actually mean is men of color. women of color, or the idea they may have divergent interests from men of color, simply do not register to them.
okay im going to stop getting in arguments, but this whole “indian men are racialized so we cant acknowledge the institutional harm they inflict on their women” thing is absolutely mind numbing and frankly u people dont see women from the global south as actual people.
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it is absolutely fucking wild the way witch-hunt, a concept based on a history of violent patriarchal attacks against women, has come to almost exclusively refer to anytime women accuse men of sexual exploitation or violence.
@AGramuglia No one is principled at a witch burning.
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i mean hey at least we're admitting that the essay does in fact engage in victim blaming. now we're to the "but victim blaming is good actually" phase. or maybe it's the "no see this is social analytic victim blaming, totally different and ok!" phase?.
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shockingly enough a “feminist” analysis and ethics of sex built on a foundation shot through with abuse apologia has been unable to meaningfully confront the pervasive, systemic sexual violence of patriarchy.
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omg i finally read the full bill AND IT DOESN’T EVEN CRIMINALIZE ANYTHING. this is literally a perfect example of a “non-reformist reform” - it gives survivors power instead of cops - and IT’S STILL BEING FRAMED AS CARCERAL!
Arresting 13 and 14 year olds for "deep fakes," labeling them sex offenders for life, throwing them out as irredeemable trash while they are still children, and ruining their remaining decades on this earth will not address the problem. But it will ruin a lot more lives.
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this is genuinely so so sad to me. one of the most powerful and politically defining experiences for me as a survivor was learning that i am not only allowed to feel hate and anger towards my abusers, but also that those feelings are in fact trustworthy.
@virgil_30 The hardest thing traumatized people must learn is that sometimes the anger from our trauma causes us to think and do things that are antisocial, unhelpful, and wrong, and our trauma does not absolve us of this.
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"teenage girls are women with aGeNcY and that's why she deserved it". yeah man not beating the creep allegations.
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we don't talk enough about how violently colonial the whole "in the archaic past of pre-history we were all sexually liberated" bit is. like the entire thing is built on ethnographic work that treats contemporary indigenous peoples as archaic holdovers, glimpses into the past.
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looks like sophie from mars is trying to quietly return to being a youtuber after last year's abuse allegations 🙄
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this is patently bullshit and relies on ignoring the reality that the vast majority of sexual violence goes unreported.
The funniest part is, on the whole, things are much better in terms of men not feeling entitled to women's bodies. Rape & sexual violence is down, sexual harassment is down, work place sexual harassment is no longer normalized, etc.
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my generation, particularly my generation of queers, is soooo fucking convinced we Fixed Sex and we get absolutely irate when those damned PURITEENS aren't sufficiently grateful to us.
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y'all get your daily wire checks yet? mine usually comes along with that soros check.
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"anarcho-feminist" lmao
@ayy_maddie @lesbiayen little micro aggressions created by misandry can really add up, it can widen the gender divide to treat men like predator animals and not individual humans, i knew a guy who was once attacked at a party by two women, the justification was he was a man so they didnt trust him.
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i mean vintage porn collections frequently have literal child sexual abuse material in them because it was basically legal until the 80s but sure.
guys who are really into vintage pornography are i think one of the few truly noble expressions of male sexuality left in the world today.
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Genuinely don’t know if we’ll ever recover from the rot that dworkin and her brood have caused.
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"women actively choosing to divest from heteropatriarchy is the real rape culture" 🤡🤡🤡.
the way you guys talk about sex strikes is deeply concerning to me. sex is not something only men enjoy. and it is certainly not (or shouldn’t be!) something that happens to women. please find a new angle preferably one that is not baked in rape culture. maybe an actual strike!.
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"i'm for the GOOD imperialists!" is one of the biggest red flag statements i've ever heard.
"I'm against ALL imperialism, not just Western" is one of the biggest red flag statements I've ever heard. This is coming from someone who once believed that this was a viable kind of politics.
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this is bad actually and no longer supported by dv focused organizations.
Women’s homeless shelters often do not allow teenage boys over the age over 13-14 years old inside. Guess why that is.
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@ohtheperipheryy yup, this. it’s unfortunate, but a lot of people - particularly men - will use that information to exploit survivors of abuse generally.
@ohtheperipheryy @madtranny I would think because predators will exploit it as a vulnerability. But that's just a sign that they are a piece of shit and you shouldn't date them. Give them the "ammo", if they use it then you know what you need to know about them imo.
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i dunno, literally every time i’ve been called a puritan it was for shit like saying “hey maybe don’t produce, distribute and consume cartoon csam?” so that word has become pretty meaningless to me lol.
whenever u point out something is a deeply puritan belief you get hundreds of people going like "im not a puritan i just believe in Common Sense, Everyone thinks this is Weird and needs to be Hidden from the Public" with absolutely zero self reflection.
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never ever ever believe the lie that reactionary "anti-pedo" rhetoric somehow indicates a general cultural hatred for child sexual abuse and the men who commit it.
Where I went to school in a working class area in the mid 90’s it was fairly common for 13/14 year old girls in my year to have boyfriends in their late teens and early 20’s. Some ended up with kids as a result. Few people seemed to me to really bat an eyelid?
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are "queer kids" really doing anti-folsom hate crimes or is my generation just doing another "the kids these days!" freakout about teens and twenty-somethings supposedly not being sexually liberated enough?.
Queer kids on here being so scandalized by Folsom and calling everyone sex fiend pedos again. It’s a decades old historic queer event that takes place on a closed off street you absolute losers.
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i believe survivors have every right to do whatever the fuck we would like to our rapists and abusers. but i understand this radical stance offends the liberal sensibilities of many faux-radicals.
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@RedFrontTweeter engels himself acknowledges that property and the origin of class emerge from the initial, patriarchal transformation of women and children into property.
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refuse to call jkr a terf because liberal feminists absolutely do not get to pawn one of their own off on us lmao. like y'all, she one of yours and you should probably reflect on that!.
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mom come pick me up the girls are naturalizing culturally and historically contingent forms of desire as "sexual instinct" again.
mom come pick me up the girls are pathologizing their normal, instinctual sexual impulses again.
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and here it is, the fundamental disagreement. i, like most feminists who have tried to develop post-enlightenment/post-humanist conceptions of agency, reject any approach that would advocate the ethical nihilism of a world in which no one is responsible for violence & oppression.
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truly an evergreen tweet
If you actually paid attention to the puriteens, you'd have realized this description is spot on.
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@chorizanthe @TurnedOnByMarx you're an academic so i think you can probably put two and two together here. and no, it is not heteronormative to recognize language which itself is obviously already gendered in heteronormative ways. that's some "pointing out racism is the real racism" shit 🙄.
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you can make many valid criticisms of the fossil fuel industry but if the conclusion you draw from that is “fossil fuels shouldn’t exist” i’m gonna assume you just hate coal miners.
You can make many valid criticisms of the porn industry but if the conclusion you draw from that is “porn shouldn’t exist” and not “workers need more protection” I’m gonna assume you’re a Christofascist.
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anarchists, for some fucking reason: you can’t do violence to rapists without Official Permission!!! that’s vigilante mob violence!!!!!😭😭. me and the girls: the fuck you gonna do about it cowards? call the fucking cops like a lib?? 😂🤣.
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not even the most annoyingly strident and reductive radfems - the few people who actually approximate the caricature - have ever suggested "sa narratives shouldn't be allowed", genuinely where do people get this from???.
yes this also applies to themes you feel are distasteful. sorry. also: when you say “SA narratives shouldn’t be allowed” you’re also kind of saying “SA victim voices shouldn’t be heard”.
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this is so incredibly gross. beyond even the typical hamfisted psychoanalyzing common in humanities work, this is straight up "i looked into her soul and saw her shame" like genuinely wtf???
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"white people invented childhood, there was no hyper sentimentality towards babies before the victorians" is such a wild fucking take and i cannot believe that it has been such a standard of critical childhood studies for so long.
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the number of people stumbling their way into defending “straight pride” in the replies to this wild.
Any woman who outright "celebrates" being attracted to men is lesbophobic, there's nothing neutral about doing this in a society where *lack* of attraction to men is punished, and there's something very wrong if bisexual positivity takes the form of leaning into lesbophobia.
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the “political views” are of course allen ginsberg telling andrea dworkin that he would like to fuck her friend’s eight and twelve year old children, and her responding she’d like to put a bullet in his head. the monstering of dworkin has been genuinely disastrous.
@AdversAerialOne @moonbeeaam Casually recommending capital punishment for political views isn't something that moves me to sympathy. But I overstated. Allen had a lot of decent qualities.
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“but that’s vigilante justice!”. yeah man, i’m an actual fucking anarchist! and i’d really love to know what this institution is that survivors are supposed to get permission from, that is supposed prevent “mob violence” by controlling the social use of violence. sounds familiar!.
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"women politically organizing to divest from all the labor of reproducing cisheteropatriarchy strikes me, a man, as having some deeply violent implications". jfc queer men really need to work on the rampant misogyny and anti-feminism in their communities.
@benzostraydogs !!!! deep violent implications but it is trotted out unironically like it can actually be mobilized as a political tactic. bizarre lol.
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@ionfwliars *sigh*. it is well known, even among academics who romanticize these cultures, that greco-roman men considered it the highest dishonor to be penetrated. to be penetrated was to quite literally be made into a woman or non-man. you could have your citizenship stripped from you.
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feminist legal scholars have long pointed out that in the specific context of sexual violence the enactment of "defendants rights" turns the survivor into the one presumed guilty, i.e. of lying, and in need of defending herself.
"the problem with the american legal system is that we give defendants too many rights".
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solanas is a great feminist simply for the fact that she's still freaking misogynists out to this day lmao.
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