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Finding unintentional comedy in paranoid lunatics. Co-host of The Conditional Release Program.

Sydney, Australia
Joined December 2008
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@krunchymoses
Joel Hill
2 months
Moving to BlueSky for chatter and basically only coming here to check notifications and DMs. Come say hi - @joelhill.bsky.social.
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3 years
@kymtje This sums it up nicely.
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3 years
Oh wow. So antivaxxers in Melbourne are protesting the salvation army because they want to be able to enter op shops. Op shops are often run by elderly and disabled volunteers. You know, the ones that die from covid. This is a new low even for them.
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Joel Hill
10 months
I love this. @purplepingers broke Topher. He claims he is a libertarian but the moment the 'current thing' is wanting squatters to be jailed be shows his true fascist colours. Very funny. So many libertarians on here are actually brownshirts.
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Topher Field
10 months
Hey @VictoriaPolice he's inciting people to trespass, break and enter, and steal. He's inciting ACTUAL criminal activity, on broadcast TV. Are you going to charge him just like you charged me with 2 counts of criminal incitement for calling for people to break the human rights.
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Joel Hill
2 years
So the Nazi rally went really badly. They got touched up and oc sprayed by cops - and likely get a few charges from their response. Cookers didn't really show up much so no new mates and their tyres were slashed leaving them stranded while everyone told them to fuck off.
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Joel Hill
10 months
A lot of terrible people in this place should be feeling very sheepish today and I guarantee you they won't. All you dickheads who made this incident about your pet culture war cause should be asbolutely ashamed of yourselves. You won't be though, ya fuckin' sociopaths.
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Joel Hill
1 year
Tina Arena is a vocal critic of lockdown measures during the pandemic and she's finally told the media why. She hates being around her kid. Amazing.
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Joel Hill
5 months
Monica just got owned with a 70% costs order. Minus everything else, I reckon it's about $150k. I think she's got an investment property. Claimed she had $100 in the bank in court. Either way, a very bad day for her.
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Joel Hill
2 years
@HumanHeadline I don't really understand the genderqueer/non binary thing. But I don't really have to. It doesn't matter. If someone has wishes that are respectful, I respect them. Why be weird about it? Just be a decent human being. So bizarre you think it's virtuous to be a jerk.
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Joel Hill
3 years
The freedom ball is cancelled. One of the funniest things to happen all year. They only sold 10 tickets. At $500 each. The others were given away to various cloutchasers. Almost certainly a stunt to solidify the UAP faction of influencers in the movement.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Unfortunately this is why we can't have a serious discussion about adverse events due to covid vaccines. Because antivaxxers lie. Check her hand at the start and the finish. No shakes! Quelle surprise. Her other hand? Still. They're all antivaxxers and they're all fake.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Canberra has basically turned into a giant Corey Worthington party. There's too many people. Not enough cops. Everyone's cooked.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Can't believe Shane Warne died at 52. It was a suspected heart attack. Warney was not a perfect man but damn near perfect bowler. It's gonna be a big day for antivaxxers blaming this on covid vaccines. If they don't I'll be genuinely impressed. They will though. Gonna be gross.
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Joel Hill
2 years
The support for Adem Somyurek in the cooker community shows that they don't care at all about corruption - they just like hearing people say edgy, awful things that they agree with politically. Can be as corrupt as you like if you enable their awful behaviour from high office.
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Joel Hill
2 years
7.30 is spicy with Darren Bergwerf struggling to answer whether the HOLOCAUST HAPPENED OR NOT. Amazing. He was quick to distance himself from Bosi and 'the high jump' but when it comes to the holocaust he can't quite get there. Astonishing.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Dan Andrews doing an absolute masterclass in how to avoid simping to billionaire tantrums. Gina Rinehart is a terrible person and absolutely worthy of disdain. Plenty of billionaires are decent human beings. She isn't one of them. Bravo Dandrews.
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Joel Hill
4 years
Pete Evans' terrible EVOLVE podcast featuring grifters and liars like Andrew Wakefield and RFK Jr. has been taken down from @Spotify. Good work guys, how instagram hasn't got the memo yet is beyond me. @camliveshere @KateJoh17915076 @jodadi_o @JacktheInsider
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Joel Hill
7 months
@Esqueer_ He's a genuinely bad person.
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Joel Hill
3 years
The idiots in Canberra think that the LRADs (that weren't even used) were actually radiation devices that fried them alive. How novel! .In reality, Pete Evans convinced you that sunscreen gives you cancer and you STOOD IN FRONT OF A GIANT REFLECTIVE BUILDING FOR HOURS IN THE SUN.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Avi Yemini just accidentally posted that the Victorian pandemic legislation is better that the state of emergency in NSW. Thanks Avi! We've been trying to tell you for ages.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Sucked in cookers. Get a new hobby.
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Joel Hill
2 years
The comments from Dr Kerryn Phelps about her experience don't make her a cooker. She's a smart person. Calls for transparency on vaccine adverse events are valid. Unfortunately antivaxxers are not good faith actors. They're going to use this to push bullshit and spin.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Some kid on telegram who got sprayed in the #TradieProtest thinks that pepper spray has 'the vaccine' in it. He is desperately trying to remove it from his system. He is considering drinking hot vinegar. It's very funny. Source: a cousin of mine who went to school with a cop.
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Joel Hill
3 years
They actually killed the book fair. Just amazing.
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Lifeline Canberra
3 years
Lifeline Canberra has made the decision to close the doors to the bookfair today, the situation at EPIC has changed overnight and Lifeline puts its patrons safety first and foremost. We will keep you posted on our opening hours for tomorrow later this evening once we know more.
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Joel Hill
2 years
According to various posts on telegram the 'concreter and entertainer' Dave 'Guru' Graham has been arrested on terrorism charges. Will post more details if they come to light but so far telegram is just cooked nonsense about various coloured hats and stuff about God.
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Joel Hill
2 years
@MRobertsQLD This meme is American. We have laws against this. You should know this as a senator but you're a bit of a special case.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Old mate @friendlyjordies just did a video platforming the Aussie Cossack and defending his awful behaviour in Reid to make a cheap point on a Liberal MP he doesn't like. I stopped watching his videos a while ago but it's pretty clear Jordies is an actual piece of shit.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Really happy to see the cossack getting the arse from YouTube. It's too little too late but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. Definitely a good thing. He's a prick.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Antivaxxers are saying she has severe mental health issues and should be sectioned. The same people that are scared of clouds. Scared of the moon. Scared of pensioner freemasons. Think everyone is a paedophile. Terrified of needles. That Bill Gates is going to eat their babies. .
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Joel Hill
2 years
Has anyone done a proper dive into who started the whole 'drag queens are groomers' bullshit? . Gays against groomers seems to have a bunch of dark money behind it. I feel like this needs to be fleshed out but I'm guessing someone (who is paid to) has done this already.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Due to a sustained campaign of pointless bullying and harassment from a select group of terrible human beings I'm locking tweets for a bit. It's fine - I'm here for all you lovely people, my little circle is enough :-P.
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Joel Hill
3 years
For all the cookers trying to downplay covid as 'just a flu' - does anyone remember the year that EVERYONE got the flu? In summer, no less? I don't. This thing is crazy contagious. Makes the flu look like a joke. The parallels just are not there.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Most of the outlets on Uber Eats are showing 'no delivery partners available'. I'm guessing they all have covid. Yeah, lockdowns are bad. But did Perrotet forget that the economy also kinda needs workers?.
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Joel Hill
10 months
@KobieThatcher Got the attention you wanted off the back of a tragedy. Despicable sounds about right.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Seems like the Canberra insurrection turned out to just be another really long pointless walk. Speeches were pretty alarming but this is pretty boring.
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Joel Hill
2 years
So called freedom movement made it incredibly clear today that they're cool with Nazis. Shit, half of them are in agreement after watching Europa. Absolutely no dignity in those ranks. Only true scum left behind. Hopefully all the trans folks are okay today. Rough one. Mental.
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Joel Hill
3 years
To the surprise of absolutely nobody the money has gone missing from the Canberra Convoy. Was reported by 'The Rural Rebel' that thousands had vanished and someone on telegram thinks it may well have been Guru. I mean, he does have expensive habits.
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Joel Hill
3 years
This is exactly why Joe Rogan is a dangerous idiot.
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KnowNothing
3 years
joe rogan having a normal one (watch until the end)
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Joel Hill
3 years
The events at Parliament House are one of the most intense examples of astroturfing I've ever seen. The people backing this are also platforming One Nation. This is 100% about sovcits and antivaxxers trying (bizarrely) to use indigenous sovereignty for their weird cooked cause.
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Joel Hill
2 years
We made number 8 in the Apple podcasts politics charts this week! Amazing! Cracking the top ten is always a result. Oh wait. Hold on. What's that up there @SOS149 and @sunnysandeel ???. I bloody knew you'd run rings around us!
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Joel Hill
1 year
This is wild. They are upset that the eSafety commissioner is cracking down on Elon because of child porn. They are pro child porn now? Because they would rather be Elon simps than against child exploitation material?!? . What? These people yell at buildings for much less.
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Rukshan Fernando
1 year
Breaking: Australian eSafety Commissioner initiates civil penalty proceedings against X Corp. / cc: @elonmusk . "eSafety has today commenced civil penalty proceedings in the Federal Court against X Corp. for its alleged failure to comply with a non-periodic reporting notice (a
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Joel Hill
2 years
@DoctorKarl Yeah, this is a thing. They have a wild idea of numbers because they live in a fictitious universe and bigger numbers give them a bigger feeling of righteousness in their fight against made up enemies. Never let people get bored.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Avi Yemini thinks he's very important and Jacinda Ardern deals with it perfectly - he's not important. It's not on her plate. That's what departments are for. Good luck with the appeal Avi! Instead of the high court where you can't take this you could ask Judge Judy for a go.
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Vaxatious Litigant 💉⚖️👨‍⚖️
2 years
“A YouTuber from Australia” - a REAL journalist referring to Avi Yemini at a press conference with Jacinda Ardern 😂
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Joel Hill
3 years
This is incredible. Been saying that RDA is losing relevance from the vibe but holy shit she's openly discussing it. That means it's bad.
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Vaxatious Litigant 💉⚖️👨‍⚖️
3 years
Reignite Democracy Australia is losing supporters left, right & centre & Monica is freaking out
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Joel Hill
3 years
@tom_tanuki Old Todd's been pretty quiet tonight. Even if this gets pulled, as they say - they'll still make a song and dance of releasing the footage. Amazingly bad work here. Way to make yourself complete poison to chase edgy clout.
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Joel Hill
3 years
IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID IT'S COVID.
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Reptilian Overlord 🦎
3 years
Looks like some folk are going to be moving around to different camps with their ‘Chemtrail’ poisoning… *facepalm*
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Joel Hill
2 years
@therealrukshan Hold on, so you're a monarchist? And you're down with King Charles?? You know his stance on climate change and his partnership with the WEF, right?.
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Joel Hill
3 years
People on telegram are already saying that the Melbourne earthquake is indeed the white hats blowing up the tunnels afer saving the children. I'm waiting for this to be tied to the tradies. Just leaping right over the shark - an MS paint collage.
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Joel Hill
3 years
So has anyone in the movement publicly distanced themselves from the Nazis that attend their protests?. Just checking.
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Joel Hill
3 years
I've never seen a pile on like antivaxxers on Chantel Fox, the girl involved in the traffic incident. They're furious. They absolutely hate losing. The idea that someone got one on them is making their brains melt. Has gone global. They want blood.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Cookers on telegram are suggesting that Andrew Symonds died due to a heart attack from a covid-19 vaccine. I mean I see it coming every time but it doesn't stop being incredibly offensive. These people are such pieces of shit. This is why you aren't invited to Christmas, idiots.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Possibly the best summary of zippy Babet I've seen so far. Beautiful.
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the rural juror
2 years
@ShiannonC @vicmbitt great Babet snippet in @australian 🙌🏼
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Joel Hill
3 years
I wonder how Monica Smit is gonna scream about election fraud after this wipeout.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Ouch that ratio is rough.
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Joel Hill
4 months
People keep saying that Trump is doing great with Latino voters but I just saw the univision town hall and I've never seen such a trainwreck. They detest him.
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Joel Hill
3 years
The Convoy to Canberra failed to hang ANY politicians or install Bosi as the forever dear leader. Possibly the worst music festival ever which culminated in a huge anticlimax. Yet another protest - but this one had more pink eye and poo. FREEDOMMMM! .
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Joel Hill
2 years
The most cooked comments section I've seen in some time. Anyone know where this got posted? . Proper cookerfest. AEC handling them with the respect they command :-P.
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AEC ✏️
2 years
Referendum disclosure requirements are now in effect. If you are active in campaigning, receiving donations or making donations for a referendum, you may have an obligation to disclose that information. Website: Media release:
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Joel Hill
1 year
CRAIG KELLY SAYS HE'S CHANGING PASSPORTS BECAUSE HE RETWEETED PORN BAHAHAHAHA.
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Joel Hill
2 years
@therealrukshan Ah yes, Rukshan doing cooker maths. Tiny group. Real small. Notice the umbrellas. People showed up in the rain. That means something. Why are you like this bruv?
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Joel Hill
5 months
I'm sure it will surprise nobody that Elle MacPherson is the founder of a supplement company. I didn't know this before, but the moment she started doing this whole 'cure cancer naturally' thing, it wasn't a hard guess. They're always making money from this shit. Always.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Got a response from @b105_brisbane on facebook messenger. It's pathetic. Guru isn't a sovereign citizen, you chuds. He is a violent conspiracy theorist. He believes that nurses and doctors should be hung from the neck until they are dead. That the Trains were good people.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Very happy to learn that we are beating Candace Owens on the political podcast charts.
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Joel Hill
3 months
It's not over. But it's fucking close. The worst people on the planet are going to have a great week. Whatever happens, the American empire is over.
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Joel Hill
2 years
@AdemSomyurek Ah, so you have given favours to people that gave you donations in the past. I see. Because you owed them. Got it. Not everyone is bent as you are mate. But it's cool that you casually admitted that's how you operate. Well done that man! Tell us more!.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Locking the account and deleting the app. Blocking blue checks isn't the answer - this place has gone to the dogs. It's just incredibly frustrating to hang out in a pub with your mates that's otherwise full of shit people. I'll be back. And yes it's not an airport etc. etc.
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Joel Hill
1 year
@jonkudelka Ah shit.
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Joel Hill
6 months
@rustyrockets Tell ya what is weird - becoming a right wing Christian to avoid having to accept responsiblity for being a massive piece of shit over your career. That is weird. I mean, who does that? Fuckin' weirdos.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Oh wow. Happy Karen Brewer Day guys - your present is. Monica Smit being arrested for incitement. Wow.
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Joel Hill
3 years
@JaneCaro You're getting my 1st pref in the senate. Would be wild if you got up.
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Joel Hill
2 years
Been waiting so long.
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Ben Pobjie
2 years
Finally
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Joel Hill
2 years
When vaccine rates got to 90%~ we thought that antivaxxers would struggle to justify their beliefs. Instead, they decided to make every death 'vaccine related'. It's worked incredibly well. It's very dumb, but also very clever. I would imagine vaccine hesitancy is huge.
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2 years
@ExposingNV This cannot be real. It just can't be. How do you get to this point? . Here I am struggling through law school and this absolute unit is admitted. Good lord.
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Joel Hill
7 months
Yeah so someone tried to kill Trump and now he's gonna absolutely win the election. Great. Maga chuds are going to be insufferable. Cookers are gonna be busy making very dumb stories about this. Last thing we needed. Accelerationist nonsense.
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Joel Hill
3 years
@MarkusMannheim The shadow pandemic is suicide. But we don't care about the people that are working for nothing to prevent it.
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Joel Hill
1 year
I had a chat with @BrentLeeSDCIC about our former lives as conspiracy theorists. I used to be pilled but WOW - Brent really ran down some rabbit holes I never even knew existed!.We run through a batshit list (thanks @Schreiberland) and it's worth a listen.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Did Pete Evans send himself fan mail? There's a whole bunch of similarities between these three e-mails he posted on his telegram. The . space between elipses and the use of parentheses is common through each one. They are STRIKINGLY SIMILAR. If so, this is very very cooked.
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Joel Hill
3 years
I got polled last night. It was a robot and I pressed numbers to respond. Went all the way to the end - almost 10 minutes! . A lot about the TURQUOISE independents. They had 'statements' which I would agree or disagree. Talked about @simonahac and had some very 'push poll' vibes.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Something happened mate - they deleted your post. They delete all dissenting opinions. They talk a hard game about free speech, but they are the absolute kings of censorship. Fragile egos that can't handle criticism and silence those that disagree with them. The RDA way.
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Joel Hill
2 years
If Albo actually got Julian Assange home cookers would have absolutely no idea what to do with themselves.
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Joel Hill
3 years
For anyone concerned about our recently vaccinated friend from the pepper foam at the protests, he has had two litres of vinegar and is feeling much better now. Oh, bless.
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Joel Hill
3 years
This absolutely sums it up. Good on you mate, shall you live long past this pandemic and don't take guff from idiots.
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celerysorbet
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A real Ken Behren sounds off
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Joel Hill
4 years
@byronkaye If you have to lie to maintain your beliefs they might have a few flaws. Antivaxxers are constantly lying but they think it's for a greater good. It's not.
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Joel Hill
7 months
This is really really really bad. Like, this man has serious problems.
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beanieflower ✩🌱 🏳️‍⚧️
7 months
Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Just got word from a mate that a cooker convoy is heading through Ourimbah right now with their toddlers. Don't bring toddlers. There's no toilets. The bloke said he was joining 500k people in canberra to overthrow the government. Disinformation is WILD.
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Joel Hill
2 years
This is genuinely pathetic. An interesting thread to see how desperate they are to believe they're not aligned with Nazis. They'll make up wild stories about Dan, police and antifascists before simply saying Nazis are bad and removing them from your rally. Pathetic.
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2 years
Thoughts on the neo-nazi / trans protest in Melb?. Some are saying it's Antifa, but they don't look characteristically dishevelled and bonkers. Looks staged, but leader Thomas Sewell is legit NN. Their sign 'destroy paedo freaks' seems too childish to be real. Dunno aye 😑
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Joel Hill
2 years
Holy shit. Whatever you think of Jordan there's nothing about this that is okay.
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XD LAW
2 years
We confirm that Jordan Shank’s home was firebombed last night.He is safe. We hope that every possible police resource is dedicated today to securing evidence and intel. It might even warrant a Strike Force focused upon terrorism and attempted homicide rather than dangerous jokes.
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Joel Hill
2 years
@60Mins @9Now lol can't believe you guys didn't google her before having her on the show. She's a cooker and you guys are idiots for taking her seriously.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Dave Oneegs has covid but thinks it's due to the LRAD. Yeah, that's not how it works champ. But this is definitely how getting covid when you're unvaccinated works. Rest up mate. The paedos aren't gonna arrest themselves. H/T to @SmilingTAssasin for the news.
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2 years
@b105_brisbane So you guys are about to platform a conspiracy theorist who thinks the Wieambilla shooting was a false flag attack? The man who believes that politicians, doctors and nurses should be hung by the neck until they are dead? . Are you guys serious? For what, a bit of attention?.
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Joel Hill
3 years
The cookers out in Canberra have all these signs and writing on tshirts and NONE of it is funny. Or even creative. The far right just has no sense of humour. At climate marches you see Simpsons jokes and cheeky puns. At cooker rallies, it's just all about fictitious dead kids.
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Joel Hill
2 years
I'm not back on twitter but Simeon Boikov is on a conditional release program lol.
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Joel Hill
2 years
This guy paid for me to see this tweet. Wow.
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Joel Hill
2 years
All these chuds cheerleading for this 'debate between RFK Jr and Hotez can no longer say 'I'm not an antivaxxer it's just ths covid vaccine' blah blah blah. You're antivaxxers. RFK Jr. was antivax way before covid. If RFK Jr is your man YOU ARE AN ANTIVAXXER.
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Joel Hill
4 months
It looks like the October surprise is a multi million dollar disinformation campaign by Elon Musk. He's an actual villain.
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Joel Hill
2 years
@theluckylance Drag queens wear crazy clothing and are covered in glitter. They're basically cartoon characters. It's fun for kids to have the larger than life character encouraging them to read books and making the idea of books and libraries a fun thing for kids. Not adult at all.
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Joel Hill
10 months
@Leo_Puglisi6 @6NewsAU You're alright mate. Didn't do anything MSM didn't do. People hold you up to a very weird standard. At least you aren't channel 7 right now ;-).
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Joel Hill
8 months
A whole lot of conservatives who obsess over family values don't seem to be talking about how Trump cheats on his wife. Is that cool now that Trump does it?.
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Joel Hill
2 years
This is an absolute disgrace - she's a selfish narcissist getting a puff piece profile because the Herald Sun has decided that they want cookers to buy their paper. Proper Fox News strategy here. Gross.
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Herald Sun
2 years
Actor Isabel Lucas has opened up about why she put her career on the line to speak out about the Covid vaccine, in a tell-all exclusive >
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Joel Hill
3 months
Not deleting account but I'm gonna put it on ice. Losing the election sucks and losing a shitload of money is truly a dogshit chaser. Just gonna get to work - I was hoping the little windfall would give me time to focus on the pod. Oh well. I'll rebuild. Will still check DMs.
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Joel Hill
2 years
If you were Catherine Cumming you'd be super annoyed that after years of people threatening Dan Andrews with death you're the one who finally gets in trouble. So unfair!.
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Joel Hill
3 years
Can we get TISM trending? Who cares about Speers and Bevan? Old news. TISM is everything.
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