Jeff Krantz
@jhkrantz
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Retired Episcopal Priest, Charismatic wannabe, grateful husband and father, Bible Geek and teacher, someone finally learning when to shut up. he/his
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@ZachWLambert
The "trouble" with grace is that it eats away, slowly but steadily, at the foundations of culture based on violence and domination. The more those foundations tremble, the more violent their supporters become, which only accelerates the decline.
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@TJSumpter
Let's be clear here. You're reframing this to be about spanking in general. We were appalled at spanking to elicit a certain emotional response. Apples and oranges.
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@DuckieLouise
I think that many people fail to recognize the difference between normal, reactive depression and clinical depression. Activity might work for the one, but not the other.
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@haymes_joshua
If "being a Christian" means that I have to act like you do, then I'll gladly stand outside the fence you've erected with Jesus and all the others He loves.
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@holytensionhub
I agree that guitars don't equal "liberal," but also, pipe organs and hymns are much more intellectually challenging/stimulating , something "liberal" churches tend to value.
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@DrMichaelLBrown
@NotForRent2Govt
Dr. Brown, it would help if you'd stop equating "questioning" the process with "attacking" the process. To those of us who have real institutional experience with this kind of investigation, there is much to question.
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@kevinmyoung
I am proud to say that LaHaye's Left Behind website once listed me among the top ten enemies of Christ!
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@TableJimmys
@thebobaemoji
@hcarolineking
Actually, a recent Harvard study indicated that home schooled students were 23 pct less likely to attend college.
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@joshua_boe
People who have lived hand to mouth do a better job of caring for other people who live that way. It's always been this way.
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@natgrace79
Somehow I don't think standards are any higher. It's just that women are secure enough not to "settle" for these guys.
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@Gramma_Barbie
@DuckieLouise
So let me get this straight. Your smile isn't genuine, it's manufactured to get a certain response. What if your grandchild learned to come to you joyfully because they just know you're overjoyed to see them and they revel in that joy? That's not training, it's relationship.
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@GShaneMorris
@Eric_Conn
@dieworkwear
So, some of us with functioning circulatory systems actually don't spend enough time looking at women in body paint to make that comparison. Or at women in yoga pants either. It's not difficult to look elsewhere, you know, if you're triggered.
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As a newcomer to the Twitterverse, I have decided that I am quite content replying to other people's tweets when I think I have something to add. This means I'll probably always have <20 followers. This is good. Twitter is too crazy for me.
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@TJSumpter
LOL. "Short answer." In other words, I can't answer it, so I'll write so much word salad that you'll give up before you read it all.
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@DuckieLouise
Great. Married, lives a 10 minute walk from us, now that we've moved to CO. A climber. Stronger than I am by a good margin.
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@hoopersnook
Funny thing about that word translated "all" in Romans 5:18. When you actually look at it, it means "all." (πάντασ)
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@kevinmyoung
One tiny edit? "Act humbly". Lots of folks act humble, but aren't. But one who acts humbly acts out of humility.
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@CJ_Cregg_Cook
@Resist_05
Um... Isn't the rise in autism more a function of our increased ability to diagnose it properly? And isn't neuro-diversity a good thing? (asking as the grandparent of two kids on the spectrum)
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@SarahECozart
Everybidy in our church in Cincy knew the pastor's 12 yo son as "Fee" because when he was little, Christopher came out as "huh-huh-fee." it just stuck.
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@_nomadic_soul
Something about the tilt of your head, the angle of your jaw says, "This woman is not okay." I remember that look from a woman I talked out of marrying her oppressive fiance.
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@pastherandie
Women threaten HIS gospel (of domination).
Women undermine HIS male dominated order.
Women threaten HIS spiritless church.
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This guy! It isn't difficult to understand why some Christians go after him with such vigor and enmity. His grasp of the Gospel and his manner of conveying it are SO compelling.
So in the last 24 hours I’ve received about a thousand “insults”
Half of them from strangers who deem me a heretic (the go-to invective for people who think they can contain an infinitely mysterious God within a domesticated theological frame)
From the other half,
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@destroytheweak
@janefortruth
@NurseTexas1
She did not vilify "the entire male sex." Learn to read. She asked men to help women make this stop.
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@kevinmyoung
Lol, I preached, recorded and put a sermon on my website declaring that the God of the Rapture is a monster, and debunking every scripture that is used to support it. Went kinda viral back in the early 90's.
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@bonhoefferchild
This is the question I don't hear nearly enough. IT'S REQUIRED BY LAW, for Pete's sake.
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@laurchas22
This feels like a much more complex conversation than the quoted tweet makes it sound.
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@getabass
@godlywomanhood
Building on your comment, getabass, "It's a perfect picture of what happens to a family in trouble when their heartless neighbors turn their backs on them."
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@TJSumpter
Before using words like "grooming" Toby, you might want to know that the behavior of silencing children and making them ultra-compliant is the *definition* of the word. Find some other word, like "freeing" or something. It'll be less ironic.
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Yes, I say please and thank you to Alexa. Because when the machines take over I want them to remember that I was polite when I didn't have to be.
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@2Denarius
@kevinmyoung
You know, Kevin almost never posts about the SBC specifically, but he does about churches that are devoid of Love or Spirit. So, yeah, if the shoe fits....
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@bozlawpa
Girard's "mimetic theory" speaks loudly to this. The creation of "myth" covers up the guilt of those who create and murder scapegoats, which preserves social order. And leaders/kings are those who should have been scapegoats but diverted that role onto another.
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@_nomadic_soul
Who'd have thought that something so simple and self-evident could provoke so much push back?
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#TwitterOfTime
Just finished my second read through. I feel like I've said goodbye to a good friend, but a needy friend, one who didn't leave me a lot of time for other friends. So there's sadness, but some relief.
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@RevJamesRiley
@kristenmcknight
Rev. Riley. This doesn't make me uncomfortable, it makes me laugh. And cry. I don't mind proclamation, but this is NOT proclamation. It's a temper tantrum.
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@kevinmyoung
The whole Left Behind book series had me so pissed off. Had to take it all on. My congregation was getting worried about it all.
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@JeremyWingert79
One of my proudest moments in ministry was when my sermon, "There's no such thing as the rapture" went viral in the 90's, before viral was a thing, and the Left Behind official website listed me among the "top ten enemies of Christ."
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@destroytheweak
@janefortruth
@NurseTexas1
It is not solely a problem with black culture. It simply isn't. It's a manifestation of male dominance that transcends race and culture.
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@bonhoefferchild
While I'd agree that there is no real, existential threat to Christianity, it's greatest weakness is surely "cultural and institutional Christianity's influence, power, and narcissistic belief it should and rule all."
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@destroytheweak
@janefortruth
@NurseTexas1
Hardly a surprise that a misogynist would also be racist.
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@itsMatthewCook
I severed relationship with my parents for a couple years in order to protect my wife from their abuse. You're doing the right thing.
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@laurchas22
What I don't understand is why he doesn't understand that everything the congregation doesn't get is his fault, at least to some degree. When I see preachers pointing at the failures of the church, I want to say, "Yeah, but that's on us, the pastors!"
#humility
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@JennMGreenberg
@sheilagregoire
Don't you ever wonder if guys like this just try to outdo one another in being misogynistic, like it's a contest or something? They're more like caricatures than real men.
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@ObsFromLife
@ZachWLambert
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@_nomadic_soul
Well, if Zach and "Nomadic" are gonna be on the same podcast with Kevin, I'll follow 'em.
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@laurchastain22
@PatrickKMiller_
He isn't really talking about cancel culture, but mimetic theory. But he has quite misunderstood who the makers of the scapegoat were. It was TGC that made Butler into the scapegoat rather than fix their system.
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Tyreek Hill is the latest victim of the dirtiest tackle in football, where the tackle collapses on the back of the ball carrier. It is DESIGNED to injure and it works.
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@kevinmyoung
@sohelpmejesseca
I once preached a sermon on the Rapture back in the 90's that got me on the top ten enemies of Christ list on the official Left Behind website. But I never got to number one. :(
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@_nomadic_soul
Wise and courageous words, Meg. I do hope that at some point you'll be able to see that any community you "lose" wasn't really community at all, if you lose it over this. But even the shattering of illusion can be the source of a lot of grief.
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@2Denarius
@kevinmyoung
I just look to the fruit, or its absence. Like in your tweet here. No fruit.
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@hoopersnook
Sometimes it's especially painful to read these posts. I'm married to a woman who pastored bigger churches than mine her whole career. I continue to be stunned to find out how far this is from the norm.
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@ZachWLambert
Astounding. As I scrolled through the comments I kept wondering, "Is there a website where theobros go to get profile photos?"
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@bethallisonbarr
I weep when I read that we must cling to "the plain meaning of the text historically understood." We only really cling to those "plain meanings" that perpetuate power imbalances.
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@JayRogers24
@roberts_je38066
@tyromper
@kevinmyoung
@johnpavlovitz
I am so grateful that you have met (even online) some Xians who are worth knowing.
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@thedrtimlittle
@sheilagregoire
Honestly, Tim. You give all of us who do pastoral counseling a black eye with counsel like this.
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Patrick Miller would like to invoke Rene Girard here, but he totally fails to understand Girard or the victimage mechanism. It was TGC who made Josh Butler into a scapegoat in order to mask their own culpability.
#ReneGirard
#mimetictheory
#scapegoat
🧵 The Lottery is a story about a town where the residents gather every June to select one person who will play a pivotal role in ensuring that year’s harvest.
The winner is stoned to death and thus the future is secured.
Last week, Christian Twitter pulled Josh Butler’s name.
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@AmyEBurdett1
A brilliant insight. I've always been taken by this progression -
SoS 2:16 - My beloved is mine, and I am his; he grazes among the lilies.
SoS 6:3 - I am my beloved’s and my beloved is mine; he grazes among the lilies.
SoS 7:10 - I am my beloved’s, and his desire is for me.
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#TwitterOfTime
Reading through the series the second time, and the scene where Nynaeve speaks to the Malkieri jewel trader and the other two jump up to join Lan... That scene alone makes the series worth the read.
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@storyofndblake
Graham Cooke once said in a message, "Even the devil can't help but do God's work. Every time he points out something that's wrong, all he does is show you the next thing God wants to work on with you!"
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@kevinmyoung
I have a different approach to "inerrancy." That is to say, I find that every word of the Bible is meant to be there, but not every word reveals God. Sometimes God uses the Bible to reveal what a mess we make of Him when we forget to view Him through the lens of Jesus.
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@pastherandie
When their wives can't find an Ob-Gyn, when their companies move production to blue states because no one will move to a state to work where health and education are under attack, then they'll face the cost of their decisions.
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@casa_valera
@madamspeaker
I think it's exceedingly likely that Prisca/Priscilla functioned in a pastoral role. That she is twice listed before her husband in Paul's letters (unheard of in Grego-Roman society) and hosted a church in her home strongly suggests she led that congregation.
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@NathanielJolly
Nathan, sometimes I try to imagine what it must be like for a non-believer to stumble into your posts, and they'd run screaming from anything that uses the name Jesus because you've made it so venomous, and I weep.
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@AmysMargin
@thepursuinglife
Not to mention that about 90% of the church in the US needs to be evangelized. (I mean real Good News, not evangelical pseudo-gospel.)
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@Frostinthepines
@realstewpeters
Reminds me of the time my daughter went to a new church for the first time. Preacher starts the message by asking, "Any preacher's kids here?" She hesitantly held up her hand. He laughed and said, "It's amazing you still love Jesus!" (amen)
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@claystaggs
The folks who have control/privilege are the last to recognize it. And if putting pronouns in my bio has contributed even in the least to the decline of patriarchal/dominion centered Christianity, I'm glad, though I doubt it did.
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@storyofndblake
Mine is that there are two streams of revelation in Scripture. In one, God reveals Godself. In the other God reveals the way that we distort God when not viewed through the lens of the Lamb. Both are important.
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@JoshuaLWatson
It's Lazarus. He's even described, when he's ill.. "The disciple whom you love is ill."
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@PastorBenMarsh
Let's see... I want to completely undermine my own party, so I'll propose an amendment that will NEVER pass that will anger an entire generation of voters. Yes, that'll do it!
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@bdk1521
@ask_aubry
Had my parishioner told me this tale, I'd have been sorely tempted to ask for his mother's phone #, and, well, you can guess the rest.
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@BenZeisloft
Which would be disastrous from your point of view, because truly virtuous Christian men would count on their example rather than politics (the threat of violence to change behavior) to achieve their ends.
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