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@tishasaroyan
@prashanthsun9
@JaipurDialogues
This is what Reich et al., 2023 paper says, update yourself.
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@tishasaroyan
@prashanthsun9
@JaipurDialogues
Shinde's Cell paper asserts a false premise that Steppe = Aryan, Maier's study refutes this assertion and considers an open possibility for IVC to have been IE, something which Narasimhan/Shinde assert with absolute confidence although 0 basis in their paper.
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@vicayana
Abe chutfuck Steppejeet bother to read the paper they literally vindicate SArc again as superior to Steppe inferior models.
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@Rtam86418021
Common sense shows Steppe as Indo-Iranic source is invalid. Common sense also shows BMAC is visibly Iranian, noted in Heggarty (2023)(means IVC is Indo-Iranian)
Common sense shows there is PIE ancestry in IVC, meaning IVC = IE possible and a case in point
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@Ugra___
Maier et al. 2023, co-authored by David Reich, overturned the conclusions of Shinde/Narasimhan 2019 and even went on to consider the "Southern Route" for IE arrival into India as outlined in Heggarty 2023.
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@hindookissinger
@mku57337323
"Most were over 90% Iran_N."
This is the actual cope lmfao every IVCp sample with less than 25% aasi is mixed with erstwhile Helmand or BMAC population wherever they are found. Core IVC was 28-33% AASI as those 3 IVC in Shahr sokhta and Rakhigarhi woman
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@OsoDanes
@bahatanadi1
Elamite is much more likely to be correlated with South Iraq PPNA like group, at least by genetics and archaeology. Elamite has also been proposed to be Para-Afroasiatic which anyday makes 10 times more sense than Elamo-Dravidian
Example, Blazek (1999) posits Elamite as a part of the larger Afro-Asiatic (which includes Semitic, Cushitic, Egyptian, Berber, Chadic) family. He also thinks that Sumerian (language isolate as per current consensus) had an Elamite substrate and that Sumerian was a later entrant.
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@Rtam86418021
Then give the source who provided those genomes. For stockplate data we know which paper it was. Claiming to have unreleased samples without anything to back it will be dealt with heavy skepticism, the second guy is a long time liar and agenda pusher not professional of any sort
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@Rtam86418021
Despite all your gymnastics about Indo-Iranian and Iran_N(we know how much you lovr Steppe rapists) PIE homeland is confidently located in West Asian highlands and nothing is stopping Indo-Iranian coming from here as noted in genetics paper Maier et al (2023)
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@Indo__Aryan
Kanglu dustbin couldve been choked if India took Khulna, Sylhet, Rangpur, Chakmaland years ago now it's a gone case , Kanglus and chuslims are becoming majority in West Bengal itself .
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@Rtam86418021
Yeah also check this new unpublished genomes:-
2 unreleased samples from Haryana, Bhagwanpura 1187-901 calbce, archaeologically dated to 1200-1000bce. One is 152K SNPs(12.3% cov). No Steppe, your sample is refuted, since it doesn't have AASI, some slave or trader. One is low cov
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@Rtam86418021
This is for Yaghnobis not Tajiks. Afgahnistan Tajiks in fact have some AASI probably because maybe they are in some parts Tajikised Dardic
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@Rtam86418021
70% Indus_Valley
22.5% Steppe_MLBA
3.5% Proto-Tibeto-Burman
3% AASI
1% Proto-Austroasiatic
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@Rtam86418021
@ahluwaliadisha
@maa_bhaishiiH
@MumukshuSavitri
@brhat_in
There's no chance general 33% AASI would give that result, you're with your agenda of making IVC as dark to appropriate it to Dravidians and also by bringing them as example for your fake reconstruction
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@Rtam86418021
This is why they preferred GAC women and didn't have total replacement when they left Steppe
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@assuwatama7
@Rtam86418021
Yeah looks like he relabelled some DashtiKosy indiv to PostHarappa, very impressive way to spread disinformation I must say....
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@vicayana
Muh Southern Farce saaar this paper vindicates Heggarty by proving Steppe_En having Caucasus_LN da same component shared by Anatolia_LC/EBA/AssyrianPeriod. Clinging on 1-4% ambiguous Steppe_En in Anatolian LC EBA samples as vector of Anatolian over Armenia_LN is lunacy.
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@arya_amsha
Proto-Indo-European is Steppe Eneolithic not Yamnaya, so that share will dip even lower, and haplogroups will be 0% as CLV had V1636 and very minor I2-L699, Q1a2/Q1b2, all of which die by the time of Corded Ware(0 in it, even M269 dies in Fatyanovo with Hunter-Gatherer R1a)
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@OsoDanes
@bahatanadi1
Elamo-Dravidian is a nonsense which has as much weight as Uralo-Dravidian and Dravido-Altaic, genetically it's an impossible scenario, Elamite itself is intrusive to Zagros
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@PrasunNagar
@SahilBh18031213
BB Lal dated hastinapur and other PGW sites extremely conservative stratigraphy for his time it's likely with thermo luminous and radiocarbon the dates of phases and periods of hastinapur turns out older than stratigraphic
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@Vyasonmukh
Occupation doesn't imply nativeness
Even under occupation people in Mumbai and around it probably have been Marathi since 1500-2000 years
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@Rtam86418021
Todas are still 45% AASI. Most or all of this is 45% is likely from Gujarat Mesolithic foragers and fishers. Closeness mean or provess nothing. Todas also have 25% Tulu Brahmin given they are 4% Steppe. In reality Todas have nothing to do with IVC(Early Mature Harppan) at all
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@IgnorantBoh
Pajits will contaminate this too, Rakhigarhi was itself sh!t quality and not much different from Shahr-i-Sokhta high quality samples.
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@tishasaroyan
@prashanthsun9
@JaipurDialogues
Maier's paper is all about questioning Narasimhan 2019 if you would've read a single sentence of its Shinde part. It proves that Hajji Firuz aka South of Caucasus(Proto-Indo-European) related ancestry impacted in the formation of IVC and entered from West Asia.
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@Rtam86418021
These are not Steppe wares kuzmina is a total liar when it comes to Indian archaeology. These are most probably Yaz culture material that shes forcefully appropriating to steppe(without even excavating anything in Turkmenistan)
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@R46265278
@faxxchecker
@feministevee
Dumbfuck then also look at swathes of states with more girls than boys, when sex ratio is tilted towards more males then you scream and cry when it's tilted towards as many females then you rejoice 🤣.
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@NamitArora0
@NeilHD108
@br_llm_lock
@aryaismm
@NirajRai3
@vikramghanekar
@tishasaroyan
@thehindumapper
@Rtam86418021
@Ugra___
@Nash_Siddiqui
@goyals_00
@arya_amsha
@yajnadevam
Neither of these papers are "peer-reviewed" and published in a reputed journal like Heggarty, seethe
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@KoshurHistorian
Target: Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_Gorakhpur_Pandey
Distance: 1.9010% / 0.01900966
35.6 Farmer
32.8 SAHG
31.6 Steppe
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@aryaismm
@yajnadevam
@Devasakha
@br_llm_lock
They can do anything and everything to save their theory. It's just worthless to even falsify as any falsification will be dodged anyhow. There is no way to disprove this propaganda as long as likes of Parpola and Witzel are standing.
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@hindookissinger
@mku57337323
3 IVC with 28-33% AASI (+1 Rakhigarhi woman)
2 IVC with 44% and 52% AASI (1 from Gonur 1 from Shahr Sokhta)
Only 3 IVC with 14%(Shahr-I-Sokhta), 19%, 20% AASI(both Gonur)
Anyone can interpret what core and actual IVC scored from above table
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@aryaismm
@yajnadevam
@Devasakha
@br_llm_lock
To laymen Kurganists this might sound good but by this reasoning there is literally no way to disprove AMT. They lecture us about shakiest of evidence and scientific approach and this is what their camp does in return.
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@tishasaroyan
@prashanthsun9
@JaipurDialogues
Left out a sentence:-
Narasimhan/Shinde assert IVC is NOT IE just because it lacks Steppe ancestry. This assertion was undone and IVC being IE is considered as a possibility by Maier/Reich et al., 2023.
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@kadian_anurag
Average of 80 samples from Swat Valley IronAge, Pakistan
PAK_Swat_IA
60 Farmer
20 Steppe
17 AASI
3 Tibetan
p .54
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@nrken19
There are no Andronovo petroglyphs in India lmfao, stop appropriating Sinauli to Andronovo,
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@br_llm_lock
@nrken19
It can equally be the source of IE in Steppe. Fool steppe supporters think Steppe remotely possible(based on 2% Steppe signal in Anatolia_LC} = All other homelands instantly invalid beyond doubt and party thrown
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@nrken19
What nope? This is from the supplement lmfao stop coping. They declare all 3 models as viable currently with Hypothesis B harmonizing the most and having no difficulty compared to Hypothesis A (East/Caucasus). Comprehend
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@PrasunNagar
@SahilBh18031213
Given ASI says Period I at Hastinapur is OCP I think it's safe to say Hastinapur II begins 1400 BCE as a terminus ante quen
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@cursedordinare
Sintashta and Andronovo have nothing to do with Indo-Iranians/Aryans, I don't get the cuckoldry, sucking up and forced propaganda.
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@AryanamVistarah
Target: Rajput_Rajasthan
Distance: 2.1020%
52.2 Farmer
25.4 SAHG
22.4 Steppe
Target: Sindhi
Distance: 1.6161%
53.4 Farmer
27.4 SAHG
19.2 Steppe
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@Rtam86418021
@ahluwaliadisha
@maa_bhaishiiH
@MumukshuSavitri
@brhat_in
Tone is dark brown here, genetic closeness of .05 means garbage, Toda Reddy Maniyani on average are far more AASI than this woman
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@Rtam86418021
@SaidBah91113877
Paniya actually can have Hoabinhian or either they have different Southern AASI you can't take them as absolute representative of all AASI everywhere
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@tishasaroyan
@prashanthsun9
@JaipurDialogues
Maier 2023 overturned and falsified Narasimhan's conclusions about absence of Anatolian ancestry in IVC.
In toto, Maier's study refutes the false assumption of Narasimhan that Steppe = Aryan and instead considers the possibility that IVC could be IE as shown in my reply.
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@Aatma_the_soul4
@akashdeep33
Chamar_UP is 12% Steppe
Brahmin_UP_East is 27% Steppe
Difference is percentage
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@Rtam86418021
Interestingly neither Alakul, Tazabagyab, Fedorovo , Vakhsh, Sintashta is associated with roller pottery and only final Andronovo offshoots like Sargary are associated with it, so it seems like cultural phenomenon moving from Yaz to Sargary and Late Srubnaya
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@homie_aryan
@Ugra___
CHG + IranN + ANF + PPNB(optional), LateNeolithic population of marked region broadly, Ashish had talked about it many times
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@Ricardo_Cd_Oliv
@nrken19
These pathetic Steppe theorists are a joke, now they're harping on like 2% Steppe_En elite dominance genetic impact which still passes when Steppe_En pushed into right
@iosif_lazaridis
@ElMoralRojo
It passes when Russia_Steppe_Eneol is pushed into right, should this not be chosen?
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@ShreeHistory
Rakhigarhi didn't change a single thing about AIT, literally nothing is affected by it
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@rocherferrero07
@TrueIndology
Even Sanskrit technically came out of a Proto-Indo-Aryan dialect, which was formalised by Panini to prevent evolution and changes. "Rigvedic Sanskrit" would actually be Prakrit, Vedic Sanskrit remained as elite and literary language while Prakrit of masses evolved.
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@BonarparteN
"Genetics proves AIT" Genetics only show AIT is possible in vaccuum, that is when you throw all other evidence especially archaeological in dustbin
"Genetics" also support the below route David Reich Lazaridis and their team is not everything, Gray Krause Haak side support below
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@GenesOfAncients
Kazakhstan_MLBA_OyDzhaylau is 90% Sintashta + Kumsay/Dali_EBA related. Nobody cares about how much Yamnaya it has. Indian steppe was not from Sintashta but Kazakhstan_MLBA aka Central Steppe MLBA
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