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Thread on the History and Demographics of Sindh at the time of the arrival of Islam with the Arab Umayyad invasions in the early 8th century.
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@Blaykesimps1 @shambhav15 One google search will tell you that 60% of IVC sites are in India. The historic revisionism they teach you over there is not "history".
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Illustrative DNA results of Tamil Brahmins🧵. Sample 1: Iyer. Iran_N: 33%.AASI: 41%.Steppe: 15%. Added HarrapaWorld results.
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Sindh was the first region in the Indian subcontinent that Muslims conquered, but it wasn't the first Indian region to face an Islamic invasion. The Rashidun Caliphate, another Islamic caliphate, before the Umayyad Caliphate, led the very first Muslim invasions into India🧵
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Illustrative DNA result of a Saryupareen Brahmin from Gorakhpur, eastern Uttar Pradesh. AASI = 34%.Iran_N = 24%.Steppe = 27%.Anatolian NF = 9%
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Illustrative DNA results of Punjabi Sikh Jatts 🧵. Sample 1: Majha Jatt. Iran_N: 41%.AASI: 22%.Steppe: 32%
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Hinduism was the predominant religion in Kashmir before the arrival of islam, not buddhism. Before islam, Kashmir was under Hindu rule for almost a millennium. Buddhism was already a declining religion in the 5th century CE, when Hinduism was reinserted as the majority faith.
Portraying Brahmin Pandits as uniquely indigenous to Kashmir is also amusing. Traditional Kashmiri texts admit that many Brahmins were imported from across South Asia into Kashmir, to strengthen the Hindu character of what was a predominantly Buddhist Kashmir (before Islam).
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Illustrative DNA results of Punjabi muslim jutts from pakistan🧵. Sample 1: Sarai Jutt from Lahore (Majha). Iran_N: 39%.AASI: 29%.Steppe: 20%.Anatolian NF: 6%. Also adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results.
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Illustrative DNA results of 4 Kashmiri muslim samples from pakistani Punjab🧵. Sample 1: Butt. Iran_N: 36%.AASI: 29%.Steppe: 19%.Anatolian NF: 7%. Also adding his HarappaWorld results
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@ISinghDilpreet Almost all of the sikh tales about Hindu betrayals are myths. Periodically, sikhs had very little, if any shared history with Hindus in Punjab until the British conquest, other than the Khatri gurus who created the sikh ethos.
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Illustrative DNA results of 3 Gujarati Nagar Brahmin samples 🧵. Sample 1. Iran_N: 37%.AASI: 25%.Steppe: 27%.Anatolian NF: 9%
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Illustrative DNA results of Punjabi Muslim Rajputs from pakistan🧵. Sample 1: Adrah Chauhan from Potohar. Iran_N: 43%.AASI: 27%.Steppe: 18%.Anatolian NF: 9%. Adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results as well.
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Sample 14: Malwa Jatt. Iran_N: 39%.AASI: 23%.Steppe: 36%
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@habib33446 >Most IVC sites today are in India, not pakistan. >The largest and oldest IVC sites lie in Haryana, India. >The single region with the maximum IVC sites is Gujarat, India. >The ethnic group that's genetically the closest to the IVC, the Toda people, live in Tamil Nadu, India.
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There have been multiple orientalist theories trying to guess the history and origins of the Kashmiri people. One of these theories proposes Kashmir once being a Zoroastrian nation. Historians reject this theory, describing it purely as an urban legend.
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Arabs, during the reign of the Umayyad Caliphate, invaded and conquered Sindh, the first region in the Indian subcontinent to be conquered by muslims. A thread on the events that led to the Umayyad invasion of Sindh🧵
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Umar, the 2nd caliph of the Rashidun Caliphate, sent 2 sets of naval fleets to invade coastal Indian towns. First, to capture Thane (near Mumbai, in Maharashtra) and Bharuch (in Gujarat). This failed. Second, to capture Dabul (near Karachi, in Sindh), which was successful.
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@SarangHassan @ArainGang His theory literally suggests that Jats in Punjab descend from gangetic migrants.
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@AviiOnX @CastePatroller @TheJackForge Aryans are not from the middle east. They're the furthest away from the middle east. The average peninsular arab has no Aryan ancestry whatsoever.
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@sarazi_amsha Indian Jats and pakistani jats are different genetically. Lack of caste endogamy in pakistan historically due to weak caste system + 'Jat' being merely a title, not caste (lineage) in pakistan. So muslim jutts score different from sikh jatts, despite both being ethnic Punjabis.
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During the Rashidun naval invasion ordered by Umar:. Thane and Bharuch, where the first set of fleet attacked, were both under the Badami Chalukya empire, a Telugu Hindu empire. However, Debul in Sindh, where the 2nd fleet attacked, was under the Rai empire, a buddhist empire.
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Illustrative DNA of a Haryanvi Hindu Jaat (Malik) sample. Iran_N = 30%.Steppe = 44%.AASI = 19%. Also adding his HarrapaWorld results.
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@hindookissinger Rushdie was already a citizen. He had lived in the UK for almost 25 years by that time .
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Illustrative Genetic results of 2 Bhumihar samples. 1st Sample:-.Iran_N = 27%.AASI = 34%.Steppe = 28%.Anatolian = 6%. 2nd Sample:-.Iran_N = 27%.AASI = 36%.Steppe = 26%.Anatolian = 6%. 1st sample is from Benares, UP and 2nd from Bihar. The two samples score very similar.
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It's Hodu that's mentioned in the bible, which translates to Punjab not Sindh. Not our fault most people don't know that a Punjab exists in pakistan as well.
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@pashtunmatter Indian Punjabis are genetically less-mixed and more western-eurasian shifted than pakistani Punjabis. The two are pretty different genetically and don't even share castes. I'd suggest not obsessing about a people you have nothing in common about.
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Illustrative and qpAdm genetic results of a Rajasthani Brahmin (Pareek) sample. Iran_N = 36%.AASI = 24%.Steppe = 31% (on Illustrative) and 32% (on qpAdm). Seems to be very similar to a Punjabi sikh Jat from Majha. @Bhau191919 @s1949_ @sudas1891 thoughts?
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Adding to this:. The first ever persecution of the Hindus was done by the Zoroastrians. King Xerxes I (486-65 CE) of the Achaemenid empire persecuted the Deva-worshippers (Hindus). This forced an exodus of some Punjabi Brahmins into neighbouring eastern territories.
The last pre-Islamic Empire of Iran, the Sasanians, ruthlessly persecuted non-Zoroastrian minority faiths, demolishing their idols, converting their holy places into Zoroastrian temples, and executing blasphemers. Excerpt from the Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan.
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The Rai dynasty were the last Buddhist rulers of Sindh. Chach or Aror, the Hindu Brahmin usurper, who formerly worked as an administrator for the Rais, took over Sindh via a coup. He then proceeded to marry Queen Suhanadi, the wife of Rai Sahasi II, the last Rai king.
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Buddhists in Sindh belonged to the anti-intellectual Sammitiyya sect, unlike the Mahayana Buddhists in other regions of India. Sammitiyism is an anti-Brahminical sect of Buddhism, known for its abhorrence of Hindu practices & Hinduized Buddhism and also burning Hindu scriptures.
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Sources:. 1) Islamic Civilization in South Asia by Burjor Avari. 2) The different aspects of Islamic culture- Volume 3 by Idris El Hareir and El Hadji Raven M'Baye
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@AKhlilji Not a single one of our achievements come from pakistan. Indus originates in China and flows through India first before flowing into pakistan. It's not a "pakistani river" in the slightest.
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The "kashmiri-pandit (reich)" sample on HW has always come across as EXTREMELY SKETCHY to me because everyone and everything seems to be scoring closest to it. Here's a gujjar sample from Rawalakot also picking it up despite having a very obviously distant admix breakdown.
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The Rashiduns however, didn't hold Debal for long and gave it up. Later, Umar led another invasion, this time at Balochistan, winning a major prize, conquering it all the way to the Makran coast. Balochistan, however, proved to be invaluable and a burden on the Arabs to patrol.
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Traditional outfits of ethnicities native to the Indus Valley
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The Chacha empire, a Sindhi Hindu empire, was the last pre-Islamic rulers of Sindh. This thread is about Sindh's demographics under them. The majority of Sindh's population practised Hinduism before the invasions, although a significant minority adhered to Buddhism as well.
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Sample 2: Janjua from Attock (Potohar). Iran_N: 42%.AASI: 28%.Steppe: 17%.Anatolian NF: 7%. Adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results as well.
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Bhumihars are a caste found mainly in the Bhojpur region, divided between eastern UP & western Bihar. Bhumihars claim to be Brahmin. However, this status has always been questioned/debated. I think these genetic results may resolve the issue and prove Bhumihars to be Brahmins.
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@frontierindica Teenage Savarnas over the past decade have been so heavily conditioned into dindutva that they would probably see this as a W.
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Sample 2: Jutt from Potohar. Iran_N: 44%.AASI: 26%.Steppe: 20%.Anatolian NF: 8%
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As for settling some non-native Brahmins from outside into Kashmir, Kalhana only mentions it happening under the First Gonandas. There's no contemporary source for the First Gonandas. Historians consider Kalhana's description of that timeline (written 600 years later) inaccurate
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Sample 7: Warraich from Gujrat (Majha). Iran_N: 42%.AASI: 23%.Steppe: 25%.Anatolian NF: 9%
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Moving forward into Medieval history:. Before the arrival of Islam, following modern regions:. >Sindh.>Kutch (Gujarat).>Thar region (Rajasthan).>Makran & Las Bela (Balochistan).>Seiraki region of West Punjab (upto Multan). were ruled by Chacha empire, with its capital at Aror.
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Sample 6: Bhatti Jutt from Gujrat (Majha). Iran_N: 37%.AASI: 26%.Steppe: 26%.Anatolian NF: 5%
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Without delving into Bronze or Iron age & starting with the Ancient period:. Buddhism arrived in Sindh in the 3rd century BCE under the reign of King Ashoka of the Mauryan empire. Prior to this, Hinduism and Jainism were the 2 recorded religions, with Hinduism being the oldest.
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Prior to the rule of the Chacha empire, ruled by Chacha dynasty; Sindh was under the control of the Rai empire, ruled by Rai dynasty. The Rai dynasty were Buddhist by religion (having previously converted from Hinduism) and Shudra by varna (caste).
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Sample 5: Sandhu from Lahore (Majha). Iran_N: 38%.AASI: 26%.Steppe: 19%.Anatolian NF: 8%
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@razor5edge @synszo Nihari originated in Lucknow, Biryani in Delhi. Haleem in Iraq. No one's ever heard of "Lala Musa dal". Chapli Kebab is the only known pakistani dish you named. Stop claiming our cuisine and get your own.
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This lot just won't go away.
Interesting comparison between the Kashmiris and the gujjar nomads.The gujjar is described as taller, straight nosed and bearded, overall a tougher breed of man which is likely y they r envied by the stouter ppl of the valley
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Buddhism was never the predominant religion in Sindh. Upper Sindh was almost entirely a Hindu majority. Whereas lower Sindh had an equal Hindu and Buddhist population during the Arab invasions.
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Sources:. Islam in South Asia by Jamal Malik. Religion and Society in Arab Sind by Derryl N. Maclean. The Decline of Buddhism in India- a Fresh Perspective by K.T.S. Sarao
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I've seen a bunch of Hindu Jat samples and while they all tend to be Steppe-shifted, this is perhaps the most Steppe-shifted and Western-Eurasian Jat sample I've seen so far. Only Indian Illustrative sample I've seen which picks up more EHG than ZNF on their HG&F breakdown.
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Sample 13: Iyengar. Iran_N: 38.AASI: 42%.Steppe: 16%
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Later, under the new Caliph, Uthman, the Arabs moved east, till the western Indus delta border, i.e., Lasbela, which were ruled by Raja Rasil, a Sindhi Hindu king. Rasil was 1st installed as a governor for the Rais. He retained power after the Chacha coup, by ruling as a proxy.
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During the Arab invasions, Sindh could be divided into two regions- Upper Sindh and Lower Sindh. Upper Sindh was entirely Hindu, whereas Buddhists were found in Lower Sindh (although they weren't an exclusive majority there).
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While his genetic results are typical for a UP Brahmin, he looks kinda atypical for an Uttar Pradeshi. Would fit in more as a Pahari in Uttarakhand.
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Sample 4: Sandhu from Gujrat (Majha). Iran_N: 41%.AASI: 26%.Steppe: 22%.Anatolian NF: 8%. Also adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results
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Sample 3: Jutt from Mianwali (Saraiki). Iran_N: 46%.AASI: 25%.Steppe: 24%.Anatolian NF: 8%. Also adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results.
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@Blaykesimps1 @shambhav15 You can't claim something you haven't discovered, i.e. something that doesn't exist.
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In around 644 CE, Raja Rasil, marched his troops to face the invading Rashidun army, led by governor Suhail & new Calpih, Uthman. The battle is known as the "Battle of Rasil". Rasil lost & escaped to Chacha-ruled Sind. Umar & Uthman both denied any further invasions into India.
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@hindookissinger @Suryakant_Waghm Never understood araingang's obsession with calling West Asian ancestry as middle eastern.
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@dasyu_amsha Brahmins aren't indigenous to Bengal. It's not a secret. "Kulin" in the name of Bengali Brahmins itself means they trace their ancestry back to Kannauj. Brahmins, however, are native to Bengal tho. They've been there for over 1500 years, which guarantees nativeness.
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Look at the comment section after the first 5 or so replies. ArainGang isn't even monetized, I wonder why he tolerates sanghis crashing his entire feed. .
In the late Vedic Period (1000-500BC) a non-Hindu Aryan tribe known as the Salva arrived from Punjab and conquered the Kuru kingdom. The resulting “dispersal of the Kurus from Kurukshetra" shifted the center of Hinduism from Haryana to UP. The Jats likely descend from the Salva
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Sample 4: Khichi from Sargodha (Bar). Iran_N: 42%.AASI: 26%.Steppe: 22%.Anatolian NF: 7%. Adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results as well.
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Pashupata Shaivism was the predominant denomination of Hinduism in Sindh before, during and after the Arab invasions.
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Sample 3: Majha Rajput with family from Lahore and Hafizabad.(no clan mentioned). Iran_N: 37%.AASI: 29%.Steppe: 24%.Anatolian NF: 11%. Adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results as well.
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Sample 2: Iyer. Iran_N: 37%.AASI: 40%.Steppe: 15%. Added HarrapaWorld results.
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Sample 2. Iran_N: 35%.AASI: 29%.Steppe: 29%.Anatolian NF: 8%. Also adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results
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@truss_83 @Champ4gnePaki 23% Steppe is pretty high for a pakistani but very low/outside range for a Gangetic Brahmin.
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Sample 12: Iyengar. Iran_N: 37%.AASI: 41%.Steppe: 17%. Added HarrapaWorld results.
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Avarnas aren't Hindu, let's get that clear with first, bhimster. You never were a Hindu. There can't be any "Hinduphobia" (whatever that it) directed at non-Hindus.
Nah…. Love marriage with a Baman…. But luckily still alive …… unlike many H!ndus who got mu₹d€₹€d by the sanskaari Banias-Bamans-Thakurs . Why do Banias-Bamans-Thakurs h@te H!ndus? . Why so much h!nduphobia among Banias-Bamans-Thakurs?.
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Sample 16: Majha Jatt.(pakistan origin from Sheikhpura, west Punjab). Iran_N: 41%.AASI: 26%.Stepe: 20%
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Sample 3: Doaba Jatt. Iran_N: 35%.AASI: 25%.Steppe: 29%. Added HarrapaWorld results.
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@Bhau191919 "UC Gangetics" here could be limited to the western Gangetic doab- Gaurs and Tyagis who themselves score quite similar to Kashmiris, hence the proximity. Kashmiri pheno is different from Pashtun pheno. It's hard to explain what's different, but it's just different.
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Sample 4: Mir. Iran_N: 37%.AASI: 29%.Steppe: 18%.Anatolian NF: 7%. Adding their HarappaWorld results as well.
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@baekartoot_ @XJatlandX @chaudharyrahuls Centuries of sexual selection as a result of environmental adaptations. Scorching heat across the Yamuna demands lots of melanin to survive.
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Sample 3: Lone . Iran_N: 36%.AASI: 25% (counting the Sub-Saharan, which got separated due to noise).Steppe: 18%.Anatolian NF: 7%
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Not at all. The Indo-Greek Kingdom proper had only conquered territory in the Indus Valley of Northwestern India. This isn't how Indus Valley residents looked like in the 2nd century BCE. Terrible attempt at mimicking Barbar's shitpost.
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Sample 3: Iyer. Iran_N: 41%.AASI: 39%.Steppe: 14%
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@gedrosian7 ArainGang did a thread explaining this. The Jats of pakistan have historically intermixed with other muslim Punjabi castes, whereas Jats of India haven't.
Why did these Western Bar Jats mix with these more Dravidian-Adivasi shifted arrivals, when Majha and East Punjab Jats did not?. Weaker caste endogamy taboos in West Punjab, especially outside of Majha, are the likely reason.
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However, Arains have the highest West Asian ancestry (Caucass + Anatolian) amongst all Punjabi castes. Arains also have some of the lowest AASI amongst all Punjabi castes, second to only Kambojs. This is why Arains are still decently West-Eurasian shifted.
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@NoahidicHindu Hear me out. The independence movement was a net L. It's single handedly responsible for most of the problems we're facing today.
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Sample 3. Iran_N: 39%.AASI: 28%.Steppe: 26%.Anatolian NF: 8%
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@casteexpert The average Baniya still has very high AASI (40-55%) and on average, Brahmins are much more Caucassoid-shifted than Baniyas. Also, UP Brahmins don't score 26% AASI.
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This has been my most controversial thread so far. Pretty surprising reaction. I didn't get such a reaction on any of my other IllustrativeDNA threads. Most people responding in the quote tweets and comments aren't even looking at any of the results, besides the first sample.
Illustrative DNA results of Punjabi muslim jutts from pakistan🧵. Sample 1: Sarai Jutt from Lahore (Majha). Iran_N: 39%.AASI: 29%.Steppe: 20%.Anatolian NF: 6%. Also adding their HarrapaWorld GED-Match results.
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Sample 19: No region mentioned. Iran_N: 42%.AASI: 25%.Stepe: 31%
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Sample 2: Malwa Jatt. Iran_N: 33%.AASI: 23%.Steppe: 32%. Added HarrapaWorld results.
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@dar_shak @LykosPagan All of academica disagrees with you on that. Hinduism was made in India by Brahmins, after Aryan migrants from Central Asia settled in the Indus Valley first.
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Sample 5: Half Doaba Half Puadh Jatt. Iran_N: 40%.AASI: 23%.Steppe: 31%
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Sample 4: Iyer. Iran_N: 40%.AASI: 40%.Steppe: 12%
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@BootaNeeka @SKSatpathi @FasihBangela Urdu was created in the Mughal camps in the Gangetic plains (Lucknow, UP). It's an Indian language that is simply borrowed/adopted by pakistanis.
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@I_amElegant @baekartoot_ @AaryanBhagat13 It literally says Hinduism was pre-dominant before buddhism as well. Buddhism was brought here from Magadh (Bihar) by the Mauryans. Also I debunk ArainGang's source in that thread. What sorta logic are you using to declare a completely indigenous group as settlers?.
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@Bhau191919 Nah. Kanyakubjas being from Kannauj (Central UP) makes a lot of sense. UP genetics changes completely as Braj ends. Gaurs and Tyagis score Iran_N as their biggest genetic component. Whereas Kanyakubjas score AASI as theirs. Also Kanyakubjas being more Steppe shifted than the 2.
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@KaeshurKingChak @FasihBangela Less than 30% of Indian Punjabis are dalits, same number as paki Punjab. Genetically the two are different however, that I agree.
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