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He who Devon Tracey has avoided debating since April 6, 2018. If you wanna talk, go to Discord, I don't text debate:
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People will claim to have strong values but the second the slightest bit of effort is required to actually live by those values, it's clear they're full of shit.
#vegan
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Not sure if this post is real. If so, I'd still like to have a conversation about metaethics. You seemed to take issue with my view, but I'm not actually clear that there is anything we disagree over. My interest is to find out if we have a disagreement, not to humiliate you.
Starting today, I'm considering all prior issues with everyone resolved. Everyone's on a clean slate going forward.
Good luck, internet friendos. (:
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I'm happy to sit down for a debate if you think vegans are wrong about something. Many confidently talk shit about vegans but have absolutely nothing once you press them. Maybe our mutual friend
@paleochristcon
can organize something. Would you be down to defend your claim?
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@PresidentSunday
I think you should debate a vegan, instead of just saying negative things about them. It's important to talk to those who you're critical of, we don't want to create a culture of posturing while refusing to engage (not sure if this is what's happening here, sorta seems so.)
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"That is an unrealistic hypothetical." is understood by everyone with a brain in the debate community to be equivalent to saying "I have been wrecked, I have no reply.". There is no point in uttering this anymore except maybe to sophist normies. Just give it up, looks pathetic.
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Be vegan, be unpredictable.
You can predict 99% of human behavior if you just assume people will act selfishly with absolutely zero consideration for anything outside of their immediate wants.
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stating the obvious here.. shoe can't actually defend her view. she'll never talk to a competent vegan like myself or
@AviBittMD
. i know she looks up to vaush, let's have a moment of silence for that dude after how badly i clapped him: happy to chat.
gonna spite eat some turkey today even though i hate it in honor of this freak
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I think
@CosmicSkeptic
is evading discussion with me for fear of deconstruction of his views. Might be time to change channel to CosmicDogmatist. Still trying to get a response (I know he reads these, we've communicated here before). Is evasion of competent critics skepticism?
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@Rich_Cooper
I don't think I've ever heard a vegan say they won't eat eggs because they are baby chicks. In fact large amount of vegans don't even take issue with the consumption of eggs in of itself, but instead because of the abuse associated with obtaining them under typical circumstances.
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@joerogan
: FYI, this is the guy who coached
@lightningwilks
for what you yourself acknowledge to be an absolute beatdown of
@chriskresser
on your platform. Bring on the guy behind one of the worst beatdowns ever to occur on your platform, then you'll see what real debating is.
Hi
@joerogan
. After carefully going through the podcast with
@RobertKennedyJr
in full, I am more than confident to debate him on the claims he made and I am offering to take
@PeterHotez
's place to do so.
Me vs RFKjr. Your show. No time limit. Let's do it?
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I'd be happy to discuss veganism with you. You should engage with a vegan who actually knows philosophy, formal logic, etc. I'm sure our conversation could be more productive than the time I spoke with Vaush (he was cornered by a formal argument and fled):
"Embrace vegan diets"--soon, or else. Just try that, you vegetarian fascists.
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@piersmorgan
: What's true of animals that if true of humans would justify holocausting them then meming on anti-holocaust advocates by posting about adding potatoes to a plate of massacre victims?
As gesture of goodwill to all my vegan friends, I added some potatoes to my dinner last night.
@CambiodTercio
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It's impossible for humans to exist before the formation livable atmospheres, so why are there humans now?
I'd wager carnivore diet is correlated with lower IQ. Soon enough I'll accidentally reply to a meme account, these people traversed the Poe's law event horizon long ago.
It's impossible for our ancestors to be Vegan, they couldn't survive without meat.
So why are there Vegans now?
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sure, generally speaking, but both are sufficiently valuable to not holocaust. similarly 20$ is more than 10$ but both are enough to buy a soda. if animals are sufficiently value-lacking to justify holocaust, what's the relevant moral difference?
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Would you accept this (trash tier) reasoning if delivered by an alien species that wanted to holocaust humans for food? Oh my lord, I wish JP would talk to a philosophically competent vegan. So cringe to tweet this stuff without actually showing you can dumpster vegans in convo.
If animals don't want to be eaten why are they made out of food?
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If you ask them, virtually all parents will tell you that they hope to raise a morally upstanding child, Yet if they succeed in this goal, some significant % of parents will shame, mock and trivialize the values of their child.
#vegan
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hey
@SamHarrisOrg
, i get you don't to irresponsibly platform covid stuff. so how about platforming dr.
@AviBittMD
destroying
@BretWeinstein
? he'll demolish bret live with medicine/formal logic/stats/etc. Bret dodges him (like in linked tweet) for a reason:
Hi
@BretWeinstein
, since the Strongyloides hypothesis is my hypothesis and not
@slatestarcodex
's, how about you discuss it with me if you think it's "ad hoc" or that it "crashes and burns"?
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@TheOmniLiberal
, i was sent clip of you talking about my metaethics. you said you don't like language like "with respect to x". i'd like to talk to you about this. i'm not sure we disagree. maybe I explain, you reproduce, then ask any q's you have?
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Lol. This entails it's ethical to holocaust the disabled so long as they're sufficiently meaty and tasty.
Cows are stupid, they provide lots of meat and they taste good!
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@shoe0nhead
@AviBittMD
u can refuse to engage with vegans. but I think many ppl share my sentiment: it's weak to promote ideas then cop out of any duty to examine them. there is a thing, it is a can of chickpeas, and it can be all urs if you open your mind a little and engage with the other side.
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@TeamYouTube
- I got a strike and rejected appeal on a vid of a medical professional debunking a holocaust denier. Surely debunking holocaust denial is a GOOD thing. Same doctor (
@AviBittMD
) who's covid conspiracy debunks keep getting wrongly taken down and reinstated. Plz fix.
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Sounds like a more overt version of what Alex himself did when he returned to supporting the holocaust and philosophically competent vegans who actually intended to press the point reached out to him repeatedly to defend his view. 🙄
Peter Hitchens just stormed out of our podcast recording, but not before telling me:
“I don’t like you … I really don’t like you. I really have decided in the past hour I really do not like you at all. I had no opinions of you before, and now I actively dislike you.”
This
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Probably much longer than it would take a society of Shawn Bakers trapped on a dessert island where the only way off is to debate Dr.
@AviBittMD
.
If a society of vegans were trapped on an island and forced to grow their own food without animal products or pesticide usage, how long would it take for them to resort to cannibalism?
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@CarnivoreSapien
Having trouble pissing, shitting, and ejaculating? Just have someone cum on their own feces then you can eat it and wash it down with their piss.
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If you're a prolific debater in 2024 and a significant portion of your debates aren't turning into explanations of basic logic, you're doing something wrong. It's like people don't realize that there is another way to fuck up an argument than giving false premises, which is by
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For the record, I don't care that much about trans issues, I'd like trans people to be happy, and gender metaphysics is mildly interesting I guess. But the only reason I touch the topic with any regularity is out of bewilderment with the sheer level of retardation on both sides.
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What's true of animas such that if true of humans you'd take the same nonchalant attitude towards supporting a human holocaust? (Props for pointing out the hypocrisy typical of carnism, but I'm curious if you yourself are a hypocrite or just bite some insane bullet).
Nah at the end of the day we don’t care about the animal. You got to admit it folks.
If we put them in an industry where we pump in all sorts of shit in them to make them bigger for us to eat and then kill them. it’s probably as bad of an experience to an animal than any sort
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lol nobody engages in the "pushy" advocacy non-vegans complain about like non-vegans themselves. just tell them you wanna stab to death and eat a dog or a lion or something and suddenly you'll find yourself speaking with a militant activist :p
Yet another voicemail from a militant vegan. 😡
We love our animals. We love our customers. We love this lifestyle. Support your local family farm:
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Like you chicken out of debating
@AviBittMD
?
I really don't get how people take themselves seriously while dodging the strongest opponents. Love James, but he'll be the first to tell you that Avi is a much stronger debater. 🤷♂️
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Carnists who say drinking water is equivalent to destroying a fish's house were likely dropped on their heads as children. Best reply is to take a deep breath of air and ask if they are now homeless.
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I haven't really been following the Olympics thing, but to my understanding there is zero evidence they're trans. Sorry to be the boring civility guy but seriously, if a significant amount of people just called some random chick a dude, told her she has a cock and stuff, aren't
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If she were posing beside a massacred pig or cow would he still find this depraved? If not, why? Lol.
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you know what actually retard, even though i don't like to go back on my word when i tell someone to go through the unban procedure, you've successfully annoyed me enough, good job. i'll solo you and deacon whenever, come by the server. bring more ppl if you want backup.
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@TeamYouTube
That seems pretty insane. If someone debunks a hitler speech, is that a violation of your policy?
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@TateTheTalisman
Dude, can we please get some engagement with vegans who actually know philosophy? Joey is a yellow belt at best and Ramms is a deranged ideologue. Talk to me or
@AviBittMD
if you'd like an actual challenge. *Waits for radio silence*.
@itsdavidramms
You cut off the end of my sentence.
I stand by it, with 8 billion people on earth I believe it’s a miracle that any city I go to on any continent on the planet I can find a steak, chicken breast or some bacon.
The global food supply chain is a miracle.
Cutting peoples points
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If you think we're wrong about something then feel free to uncuck from the shadows, and debate it. But watch out, might wanna fix that whack epistemology first, where you can't justify belief in the earth's sphericity without personally having travelled to outer space. Lol.
I love being so rich that I dont talk with, do business with, or even acknowledge the existence of anybody who I do not like.
I make arbitrary rules, which are probably completely unfair and I love it.
There are many such rules, but let me give an example of one.
I believe
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Good ol' cowardly quote tweet from the shadows of cuckery in response to debate request. Lemme know if your diet ever raises your testosterone high enough or whatever to make you willing to defend your views. 🤡
'Philosophically competent vegans'
Weird flex, and a little implausible when the vegan diet is tightly linked with psychiatric disorders.
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It's cowardly to only be willing to engage with the aspects of a problem that have no implication for you. Carnists often love rambling about any aspect of veganism other than whether they should be vegan.
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@TateTheTalisman
: Please stop whining about vegan meme pages, etc when philosophically competent vegans have asked you to engage repeatedly. Only a coward targets low hanging fruit and flees the strong opponents. Cucking intellectually is no better than cucking physically.
When arguing with some vegan online they sent me a fake website that sells dog meat. Bacon made from pugs etc, clearly a joke.
I DMd the website asking if they ship to Europe and sent the vegan a screenshot.
Twitter fun right?
Vegans have taken the screenshot and are telling
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One of the worst inferences I've seen in a while.
If red meat was the cause of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and obesity, the human race wouldn't exist.
We evolved over millions of years by eating the megafauna.
AKA, we ate almost nothing but red meat.
It has had more than enough opportunities to wipe us out by now.
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Lol,
@itsdavidramms
got stomped by
@AviBittMD
in a public room. Seems likely he's now maliciously privacy striking my vid since he looked dumb. He doesn't deny it and blocks/vagueposts at people who call him out. Hopefully
@TeamYouTube
helps with this false strike. I've appealed.
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the premises are true your interlocutor has no recourse. So for anyone pushing this silliness I have a simple argument for you. Good luck refuting it:
P1. Italy exists.
P2. Some people like apple juice.
C. We should normalize criticizing argument form rather than just content.
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Interesting claim. Would he be a better planner if 1 less jew were gassed to death in the holocaust? If not then why would the world with more holocaust deaths be better? If so, then he lacks at least one of the omni-properties, and so if they are essential to him, doesn't exist.
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So many people talk massive shit then refuse to debate and continue spouting nonsense from their echo chamber. How long is it gonna take until we get a proper social norm against this behaviour? I really hope over time this can become seen as shameful and result in mockery.
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Much cope from
@cmuratori
fans after I proved his view entails holocausting minds identical to his loved ones (lol, carnism). Instead of safely shit-talking from the shadows, explain my error to me on VC. EZ to backseat-drive Casey, but those making such comments won't do better.
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2/2 and here's a clip of destiny perfectly describing (unintentionally) the real reason he won't engage me:
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@TeamYouTube
You're being evasive. Please actually read and reply to what I'm saying, I'll use caps for emphasis:
WHERE IN THE VIDEO is the privacy violation?
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Best to stick to memes, good call. We've all seen how far your reasoning skills got you when you tried talking to
@TheNutrivore
. ..And of course mandatory mention that you're still running like a little bitch from
@AviBittMD
. IDK what compels someone to cuck out so heavily.
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@BasedBeffJezos
: You're not using the term in the sense used in Hume's original formulation or in contemporary philosophy. You oUgHt to concede on the semantics that are and always have been standard in the field WRT this, you haven't solved the problem. Happy to debate this.
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@TeamYouTube
- This wasn't a rhetorical question, I'm actually asking if debunking Hitler speeches violates your policy.
@TeamYouTube
That seems pretty insane. If someone debunks a hitler speech, is that a violation of your policy?
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At this point it's unclear to me that 'autistic' (the slang term, not the cognitive condition) is even an insult anymore. Nowadays I think it's more commonly used as a compliment when someone puts an inordinate amount of time/rigor into something.
Next step: retard.
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My quest to get an answer to this simple question from
@TeamYouTube
continues.. Can we just get some clarity on your policy please? Is it against policy to do debunks of Hitler videos? I don't know why they won't answer this.
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@TeamYouTube
There is no violation of the privacy policy in the video. The plantiff didn't even provide a real timestamp for the ostensible privacy violation, it was 1 second from the end of the video. Could you help get this legitimate recording of a public conversation re-instated?
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Is it just me or is it really obnoxious to be encouraged to accept God's existence from people whose religiosity is debatable and who don't seem to have any argument?
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Lol, I know Destiny thinks the logic people are like out to ambush him or something, but FYI to the extent that Destiny does come up when I talk to
@AviBittMD
for ex, this is the kind of flavour the conversation actually has. First message there is me.
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This would be a great discussion.
@garylfrancione
, I hope you'll accept his challenge,
@AviBittMD
is one of the top vegan debaters, and it's important we engage critically with other vegans (in a productive manner).
@garylfrancione
As an ethical vegan who celebrated KFC Beyond Meat nuggets and would do so again, Id be happy to chat with you about it.
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Vegans often express frustration when carnists drive a wedge into their friendship by continuing to support the holocaust after being made aware. I'm not sure who needs to hear this, but if your buddy is gonna sacrifice your friendship for cheese, they aren't really your buddy.
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@TeamYouTube
- Is there a reason you won't answer this question?
.
@TeamYouTube
- This wasn't a rhetorical question, I'm actually asking if debunking Hitler speeches violates your policy.
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If you think someone is a huge piece of shit, and you were confident you could wreck them, you'd want to debate them. This is cope. Quit hiding from the strongest proponents of the view you critique. Coward.
Why I have no interest in a debate with
@AviBittMD
Below is an exchange in good faith I had with him last year about cardiovascular risk in an attempt to have a cordial discussion
Unfortunately, subsequent to this exchange he went on later to start claiming I was on steroids
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I wonder what
@TateTheTalisman
thinks is true of animals, that if true of humans would justify this same attitude towards a human holocaust. Really wish
@JoeyCarbstrong
had actually pushed him on this (I don't think I'm alone here..).
@SBakerMD
I don’t get it?
Yes the animals are murdered.
Do they think we didn’t know?
Who gives a shit?
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@HenchHerbivore
maybe let
@AviBittMD
or
@VeganDominion
come at you instead of posting "come at me" then refusing to engage your best critics.
@VeganDominion
put a vid out with a nutri masters student and you still won't engage her. yet you have the gall to say "come at me" while hiding, 😂 wtf
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Good on you for improving personally, but.. How does atheism logically entail any of these things? Additionally what's the argument against the possibility of a man being pregnant or for theism (let alone Christianity)? Happy to debate any of these topics..
This is the exact kind of mug that people who believe men can get pregnant drink from.
The irony.
I’m so ashamed I was ever an atheist. How embarrassing.
I’m far less ashamed I ran a webcam studio, bragged about how many women I slept with or engaged in fights for 50 dollars a
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PS's claim is false. Avi was always willing to have this conversation. The false claim could be explained by PS's confusion over what "dip" meant. He has plausible deniability. Last time they talked Avi got concession 2 of PS's critiques failed at least. 🤷♂️
TIL leaving a group chat conversation a week before a debate = leaving a debate 🤡. I showed up to the agreed upon location at the agreed upon time, you did not.
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@Rich_Cooper
"Consumption of a carrot doesn't determine hunger, so why eat a carrot at all?" Umm to be less hungry?? I really think this Cooper guy is braindead, so many bad takes, won't defend any of them in debate. Very cowardly/pathetic.
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you know what's shameful af? posturing like you'll debate anyone while preying exclusively on lower belts and dodging real challengers. you know who actually will debate anyone? myself. worst case is you're a banned user who has to go through the unban hoop to get a debate.
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A big fail from both sides of the trans debate is developing such deranged attachment to words like "woman" that they refuse to interpret the other side according to their own semantics and see if there is substantive disagreement (which is needed to resolve the dispute).
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Happy to join.
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messing up the FORM. There's a widespread view that it's inappropriate or pedantic to press people on the form of their argument. But do those pushing this norm understand the world they're asking for? Under such a norm, you can give any demented argument you want, and as long as
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Much trans discourse is morons screeching tautologies at each other and refusing to engage meaningfully with the idea it may be a semantic dispute. Many who say they'll engage opposition, will only engage opposition who accept the assumption that the dispute is substantive. 🤡🚨
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Hey
@TeamYouTube
, I still haven't heard back. Is this still under review? When will I find out if this bogus claim has been dismissed? Thanks.
Lol,
@itsdavidramms
got stomped by
@AviBittMD
in a public room. Seems likely he's now maliciously privacy striking my vid since he looked dumb. He doesn't deny it and blocks/vagueposts at people who call him out. Hopefully
@TeamYouTube
helps with this false strike. I've appealed.
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@pearlythingz
: I suspect if you actually ask Andrew about me he'll tell you that I'm a much stronger debater than the people you're used to like Destiny, Fuentes, Rollo, F&F, etc. And additionally that I'm good faith.
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Lol, let's remember what happened last time TJ was tweeting nonsense bout the animal holocaust. Agreed to defend his view (maybe to save face?) then never showed up.
96% of people in America eat meat. 80% of the global population eats meat. Eating meat is the norm in every human civilization.
I’m not saying this makes meat-eating right. I’m just saying leave me alone about it, you whiney vegan dipshits.
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Something tells me you would not, however, be happy to die hanging upside-down in a slaughterhouse.
Grain-finished beef tastes better than grass-finished beef, and I'm happy to die on this hill.
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By doing whatever the vast majority of men are doing the vast majority of the time when interacting with women?
How can a man interact with a woman and not face a legal consequence?
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I truly don't think anyone can surpass Gad at virtue signalling about protecting animals while paying for them to be holocuasted. He just doesn't stop haha. And he will not allow anyone to press him on his views. It's amazing.
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It's funny when people want to generate thoughts and be super confident about them, yet at the same time resist any examination of them.
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@CosmicSkeptic
Here's a critique vid I made of his metaethics, he also never defended any of this (which was a red flag):
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@SBakerMD
"wish Shawn Baker would defend his view in a verbal debate vs. Dr. Avi instead of hiding."
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Video from yesterday at Plated Expo where Vegan Gains challenged
@nutrition_facts
. Very shameful that Greger won't actually sit down and deal with any serious intra-vegan criticism in long form, realtime. Still flee Dr.
@AviBittMD
on like 50 topics, lol:
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IDK why care. It's not like he can defend his view. Just show them the vid where I corner him into saying that its fine to cause infinite suffering for a single bite of meat. He had me muted and still flees debate to this day. Happy to break
@VaushV
with same formal arg anytime.
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they supposed to, you know, say sorry? Please consider this outside the context of deranged politics, and have some human decency. If your kids teacher phoned to tell you your kid had been calling some little girl on the playground a boy, and saying she has a dick and stuff,
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I don't personally see any norm according to which it's wrong to enter a debate agnostic. If someone makes wild claims they can't defend, but that I can't falsify, I'd go in agnostic on that debate and see if they can justify their claim (they had the BOP, not me). That said,
Please stop saying this. The burden of proof rests on someone making a claim. There were supposed to be two competing claims here - J6 was an insurrection vs J6 wasn’t an insurrection. Deciding to play ultimate skeptic on one side and then not taking a position doesn’t mean you
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fucking lol at the take that fucking a kid makes you a pedo. if someone is forced at gunpoint to rape a child, feels no attraction to them, has to take viagra to do it, are they are a pedo? let's see a contradiction deduced from "x fucked a kid" and "x isn't a pedo". good luck 🤦
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wouldn't you tell your child that they're going to apologize to that little girl tomorrow at school? This seems very basic. Yet apparently a lot of conservatives don't hold themselves to the standards they'd hold a literal child to. Very cool.
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1/2 yet again i wake up to some weird trash talk from
@TheOmniLiberal
. here's a reminder of the kind of RESPECTFUL disagreement i have with those who are capable of respectful disagreement: ..
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Demented people on my timeline.
5 things I don't like about Carnivore.
1. People's stupid opinion
2. The price of meat
3. My doctor's statin recommendation
4. The guy next to smerking at me eating sardines
5. The smell of boiled eggs on the airplane.
You?
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@TeamYouTube
Thanks, appreciate that. Thanks also for info about appeal status (though it's frustrating). I've been making vids for years, playing by rules, very few strikes. All I want is to know where the privacy violation occured (I don't think there is one) or for my vid to be reinstated.
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Learn the shape of the earth through personal experience.
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..ppl do realize getting ratio'd may very well be an indicator of having the correct view in any case where the general opinion on twitter is wrong, right? and that's not exactly infrequent..
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@TeamYouTube
Thanks for the reply, but I think there must be some confusion here. The video does not violate privacy at all, and the privacy complaint was timestamped to the final second of the video (obvious a frivilous complaint). Can you clarify what the privacy violation is?
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Btw, in case anybody is unaware. When people say "AY community is toxic" that typically means "ay community raises the bar for debate and I would rather complain about the higher standard than meet it." They also typically think shaming obvious bad faith behaviour is toxic. 🧠
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