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@XanFishman

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Husband of @KCassling - Father of 2 daughters - Senior Director, Energy Program @BPC_Bipartisan - Former @johndelaney Chief of Staff. Views my own

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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
7 initial thoughts on the bipartisan permitting bill. (I have plenty more reading and analysis to do, this is just for tonight). 1. Good bipartisan compromise bill. No one gets everything they want, but it’s good.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
I have a joke about clean energy permitting, but it takes too long to get to the punchline.
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Xan Fishman
3 months
2. The emissions benefits for permitting clean energy infrastructure clearly outweigh any increased emissions from the oil/gas provisions. It’s not even close. Big net win for reducing CO2.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
What’s in the Manchin permitting bill? Here’s a quick run-down:🧵👇 1/14
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
Huge bipartisan vote in favor of permitting reform!! 15-4. Passes out of ENR committee. This is a big deal. Congrats to all the Members, staff, and stakeholders that helped make this happen.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
There are 8 nights of Hanukah and 12 days of Christmas, but if it takes 8-12 years to site and permit interstate transmission lines, we’re all getting coal.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
3. Transmission provisions are a big deal. a. Much more straightforward backstop than current law. All FERC and no DOE which also has the benefit of making it less political.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
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I don’t know if the scientists that signed on didn’t actually read the letter or if they just didn’t bother to read the modeling that the letter criticizes. There are areas where reasonable people can have different opinions. But this letter is simply factually incorrect.
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Daniel M Kammen
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
5. Geothermal categorical exclusions and leasing is a no-brainer policy. Glad this is in there.
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Xan Fishman
3 months
3b. The interregional planning requirement for transmission and expedited permitting process is highly consequential. Will be great for reliability, affordability, and emissions.
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Xan Fishman
3 months
7. Not everything that I would want is in the bill. Some of that is outside of ENR committee jurisdiction (e.g. judicial review and NEPA changes) and some within (e.g. CO2 and H2 pipelines). Regardless, the bill is good and I refuse to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
Permitting nerds, this is your time to shine. Bipartisan permitting reform this Congress. Cheaper energy, reduced emissions, better quality of life. Let’s do this.
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Xan Fishman
3 months
3c. Cost allocation language for interregional transmission is very common sense. Just the core economic and reliability benefits are required, rather than the “climate-y” blue state stuff. But that’s really all you need to make it work in a bipartisan way.
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Xan Fishman
3 months
4. The LNG provisions are highly unlikely to increase emissions. A 90 day deadline to decide 👍or👎 to exports AFTER the completion of an EIS is common sense. And there are of course very good geopolitical & emissions arguments for U.S. LNG to displace coal & Russian gas abroad.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
As promised, here's an explainer on what's in the bipartisan permitting bill that Senate ENR Committee is voting on tomorrow. TLDR, It's a great compromise bill where no one will love each detail. Good for energy affordability, reliability, and climate.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
11 months
I don’t want a lot for Christmas There is just one thing I need Permitting reform for energy projects So that we can build with speed Look how much the costs have grown More emissions than are known Make my wish come true All I want is permitting reform round 2
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
7. Increases the authority of @FERC to site electric transmission lines and fairly allocate costs. Replaces corridors concept with determination of national interest for specific transmission lines. This is probably the most important component of the whole bill. 8/
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
Bill text is out! Here's permitting headers. Time to dig in!
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Xan Fishman
3 months
Will do more analysis in the coming days. For now if you haven't seen it, our Goldilocks report on permitting reform is helpful for seeing the spectrum of options under consideration.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
You shouldn't need to quest for years and years to build clean energy projects. We can have high enviro standards, meaningful public engagement, and an efficient permitting system. There's bipartisan support. The holy grail is right there if we're willing to accept it.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
Great conversation today about inflation. Here's my favorite quote from @JustinWolfers on why gas tax holidays are a bad idea.
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@BPC_Bipartisan
Bipartisan Policy Center
3 years
5️⃣ minute heads up! We're about to go live with @ShaiAkabas , @DennisCShea_ , @XanFishman , @DianeSwonk , and @JustinWolfers .
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Xan Fishman
3 years
I'm a sucker for a good map that conveys new information. @rorypjacobson @ugbaad_kosar and the team over at @carbon_180 made a really nice one on siting DAC hubs. kudos.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
10. On balance, I think this will be helpful. It’s not perfect; there’s more work to do. But it’s a step forward. Without a more efficient permitting system, our chances of achieving net-zero by 2050 are ~0%. We need to build a lot of clean energy, & there’s no time to waste. 11/
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
6a. Interesting solution to the Rosemont issue for ancillary mining activities. Rather than allowing ancillary activities on current mining claims, they create a separate path to use “mill sites” for that purpose with a reasonable process to permit those with the mining plans.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
6b. This solves the problem without opening the door for bad actors to take advantage, which is what opponents of a Rosemont “fix” feared.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
🚨Joint Statement from Sen. Manchin and Sen. Barrasso on Permitting Reform: “We are in agreement that we must act to accelerate our permitting system and are committed to reaching a bipartisan solution that prioritizes American energy security, reliability and affordability.”
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
8 months
We can do this. A bipartisan win for America is within our reach.
@thehill
The Hill
8 months
Sen. Joe Manchin said that lawmakers are “so close” to reaching a deal to reform the nation’s system for approving infrastructure projects.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
🎶Under the sea, under the sea, Ocean carbon removal, should it get approval? Let's study and see! Up on the land, there's DAC and trees Under the water, we have seaweed Fertilization, alkaline placement Under the sea🎶
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
9 months
Energy nerds, you don’t get the night off. There’s a whole energy title in the Immigration/Security bill. (Pages 24-29 in the bill text). Spoiler alert: nuclear.
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Xan Fishman
3 years
Grey H2: produced by senior citizens in new alternative energy jobs program Blue H2: Produced specifically in Michigan-not to be confused with Carolina Blue Hydrogen Green H2: The fuel you want, but cannot have. Your jealousy burns with the fury of a combustion engine
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
Yes. This is counterintuitive to some, but the crux of the issue is that electrification DOES NOT EQUAL decarbonization. If we electrify without a massive buildout of transmission lines, the result is more fossil fuel use because we won't be able to get renewables onto the grid.
@AlecStapp
Alec Stapp
2 years
"The analysis (by @JesseJenkins ) found that if the US builds out transmission lines at the pace of the past 10 years (a glacial 1% annually), it would result in more coal and natural-gas consumption in 2030 than if the green energy-focused Inflation Reduction Act hadn’t passed."
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
13 years of marriage with @kcassling . 5 stars. Strongly recommend. (For me. Not you. Back off. You have to find your own mate)
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Xan Fishman
2 years
“In essence, permitting reform is the missing piece, the sine qua non, of our national energy policy.” Check out my new oped on permitting reform in ⁦ @thehill ⁩ Permitting reform is bipartisan, crucially important, and possible. Let’s do it!
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Xan Fishman
3 months
Love to see the support for the bipartisan permitting bill continue to grow. We can make people’s lives better with cheaper, more reliable energy and reduce emissions at the same time. There’s a reason why Democrats and Republicans can work together on this.
@ChrisCoons
Senator Chris Coons
3 months
I was glad to see @Sen_JoeManchin & @SenJohnBarrasso advance their strong, bipartisan permitting reform bill out of committee last week. This bill is needed to accelerate American efforts to decarbonize our growing economy & strengthen our energy security and that of our allies.
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Xan Fishman
2 years
Great quote on permitting reform from @RepScottPeters at the @USChamber “No is the second best answer” Permitting reform is about having an efficient process to get to yes or no. It’s not about ramming through bad projects. We can have high standards and an efficient process.
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Xan Fishman
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Permitting reform is fun.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
If that special someone in your life loves the CBO *and* a price on carbon, this is the pdf for you. 🥰
@USCBO
U.S. CBO
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How Carbon Dioxide Emissions Would Respond to a Tax or Allowance Price: An Update: Working Paper 2021-16
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
8.Adds Hydrogen into the definition of “natural gas” in order to give @FERC clear regulatory authority of hydrogen pipelines. 9/
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Xan Fishman
3 years
carbon implies the existence of carboff. Shoutout to everyone on #energytwitter working their carboff today to get👏CO2👏OUT👏OF👏THE👏ATMOSPHERE👏
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
1. Basic Government Coordination: Codifying One Federal Decision, having a Lead Agency for reviews, basically giving energy the same coordination that transportation got in the IIJA. Also a dispute resolution mechanic so interagency disagreements don’t grind things to a halt. 2/
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
As House Republicans are holding hearings on permitting reform with the BUILDER Act from @RepGarretGraves , Sen. @ChrisCoons is here at BPC also talking about the importance of permitting reform. This is a bipartisan policy priority that we can and will get done.
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Xan Fishman
1 year
Agree with this 100%. We don't need legislative doomerism any more than we need climate doomerism. There's a clear bipartisan deal to be made for the rest of the permitting reforms we need. This is a must. Let's make it happen.
@Erb_Tom10
Tom Erb
1 year
It's not dead. We are just getting started.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
Bipartisan permitting reform is alive and well. ⁦⁦ @SenatorHick ⁩ ⁦ @RepJohnCurtis ⁩ ⁦ @thehill
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Xan Fishman
1 year
Who said talking about transmission permitting isn’t fun? @mariarobinsonMA @thehill @BobCusack
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Xan Fishman
1 year
I'll be speaking about permitting reform next week at the National Press Club. Should be a great event put on by @thehill featuring @SenatorHick @RepJohnCurtis and more! Register here:
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
Yesterday, House Republicans passed H.R. 1 which included permitting reform for energy projects. Today, Democrats @RepScottPeters & @SenAngusKing have an op-ed calling for permitting reform for energy projects. A bipartisan deal is possible and necessary!
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
5 months
How many times can I like this tweet? border carbon, permitting reform, bipartisan agreement. We're going to get this permitting reform deal done. Don't let typical D.C. pessimism hold sway. This is too important.
@JosephMajkut
Joseph Majkut
5 months
Sen Cassidy: We should be concerned with consuming high emissions Chinese electricity in manufactured goods. And we need permitting reform for pipelines and wires [paraphrase] Sen Manchin: "Right on Brother"
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
11 months
Beautiful day to walk to the Capitol to talk about bipartisan permitting reform with engaged Members.
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Xan Fishman
3 years
Has anyone considered simply going up one letter in the alphabet?
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
4 months
Really enjoyed chatting with these two leaders in the Climate & Trade space this week. Lots of momentum. Exciting! ⁦ @SenWhitehouse ⁩ ⁦ @SenBillCassidy ⁩ ⁦ @BPC_Bipartisan
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
2. Reasonable timelines for reviews and litigation: 2 year average for an EIS (currently over 4), 1 year average for Environmental Assessment. 150 day statute of limitation for court challenge. Annual reports from agencies on how they’re doing on meeting deadlines. 3/
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
3 Reasons why “Direct Pay” is crucial for Clean Energy Tax Policy [ 🧵with pictures!] Context: Clean energy developers usually do not have sufficient tax liability to use clean energy tax credits themselves, hindering them from deploying next generation energy technology. 1/7
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
4 months
And the bipartisan Climate and Trade hits keep on rolling this week. @RepJohnCurtis & @RepScottPeters just introduced the House version of the bipartisan Prove It Act. We'll have a fireside chat with them to discuss tomorrow at our Climate & Trade Summit.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
10 months
Big bipartisan vote in favor of Prove It Act. You love to see it. Congrats to @SenCoonsOffice and @SenKevinCramer
@SiegelScribe
Joshua Siegel
10 months
NOW: PROVE It Act easily advanced through @EPWCmte by a 14-5 vote, with handful of Republicans in support
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
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“If we’re not talking about policy that can pass, we’re merely a debating society” - @SenBillCassidy As the gen z kids say, So True.
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Xan Fishman
1 year
When Oppenheimer pushes for permitting reform…
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Xan Fishman
1 year
Upshot here is that “denying Manchin a win” is now gone as a barrier to bipartisan permitting reform, which increases the odds of getting it done.
@Sen_JoeManchin
Senator Joe Manchin
1 year
To the West Virginians who have put their trust in me and fought side by side to make our state better – it has been an honor of my life to serve you. Thank you. My statement on my political future:
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
Some ~professional~ news: I've joined the amazing team at the Bipartisan Policy Center as Director of Energy Policy & Carbon Management. Excited to be working on energy policy and fighting climate change with @JasonGrumet , @SashaMackler , Lesley Jantarasami, and the whole team.
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Xan Fishman
2 months
Great conversation yesterday on permitting reform with @RepBuddyCarter @RepScottPeters @RepHoulahan & @RepGarretGraves . I believe we can get a bipartisan permitting reform bill passed into law this year. Video in thread below if you missed the event. @imaginephotographydc
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
Check out this line on permitting from the Manchin press release!
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
The new Carbon Negative Shot program @ENERGY is worth celebrating. Investing in Carbon removal is crucial for Net-Zero. Help me celebrate with your own shot for Carbon Negative Shot.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
Those who oppose carbon dioxide removal and storage underground have a strange alternative climate strategy… ...continuing to store carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. Really don’t see how that works out well.
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Xan Fishman
2 years
Disappointed that Biden didn’t mention need for permitting reform in #SOTU last night. Lots of well-deserved hype for bipartisan infrastructure law, CHIPS+S, & clean energy tax credits. But w/o permitting reform, the climate and economic benefits will be less than advertised.
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Xan Fishman
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@DoctorVive @JesseJenkins @rff The key issue is that both of those potential emissions increases added together are less than the emissions benefits from the bipartisan permitting reform bill. That’s why if you care about climate change, it’s a deal worth taking.
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Xan Fishman
8 months
The perfect swan song for both Manchin and Barrasso leaving the helm of Energy & Natural Resources Committee? Bipartisan Permitting Reform.
@SiegelScribe
Joshua Siegel
8 months
Notably, Barrasso would still have to give up his top spot on the Energy Committee, if he were to win the No. 2 position in leadership
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
Took the day off to go hiking with ⁦ @kcassling ⁩ for our 12 year wedding anniversary. Good choice today. Even better choice 12 years ago.
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Xan Fishman
2 years
3. Encourages use of programmatic review (studying categories of actions/areas for certain actions to make subsequent review of specific projects faster. Encourages categorical exclusions (heads up we have a whitepaper coming out on categorical exclusions in very near future) 4/
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
6 months
You absolutely love to see it. DOE finalized 3 very common-sense categorical exclusions for transmission upgrades, solar, and battery/storage. This is good, let's do more!
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
7 months
Good news! We ranked this policy option as "promising" in our Goldilocks Permitting Reform report:
@Dr_A_Stein
Adam Stein
7 months
The NRC Commission voted to move forward with a Generic Environmental Impact Statement for advanced reactors. Importantly the decision moves forward with codification of the GEIS, instead of moving it to guidance. This is important for regulatory certainty.
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Xan Fishman
2 years
🚨Breaking!🚨 @ENERGY just released a Request For Information on revising and creating categorical exclusions. Exactly what our Smarter, Cleaner, Faster Infrastructure Task Force called for in the 3rd recommendation from our CE paper in Sept.
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Xan Fishman
3 years
I have to admit, #HotFERCsummer was fun, and I’m said to see it end. FERC and transmission infrastructure in general don’t get the love and attention they deserve. Kudos to @RepCasten for driving interest.
@RepCasten
Rep. Sean Casten
3 years
Who is excited for the official #HotFERCSummer album to drop?
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Xan Fishman
2 years
4. Establishes list of 25 projects of national importance for priority review. List has quotas for different types of energy projects. All-of-the-above approach. 5/
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
9 months
Cloudy, but beautiful. Writing policy reports: good Talking to Members and staff about them: even better Today’s topic? Permitting reform for energy projects.
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Xan Fishman
1 year
If this is a tactic to nudge Republicans to the negotiating table...fine...but as an actual tactic, it leaves a lot to be desired. We need LEGISLATION for policy certainty to launch infrastructure deployment at scale. FERC majorities can flip. Policy flip-flops stifle investment.
@kelseybrugger
Kelsey Brugger
1 year
lots of permitting talk on the hill tomorrow. @EnergyDems hearing on bipartisan package. but with Dems aghast at how much Rs are demanding, Schumer and others are turning to FERC & elsewhere. but FERC is tricky -- both politically and technically
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Xan Fishman
3 years
Here's to the Members and infrastructure staffers on both sides of the aisle who pushed for YEARS for a big infrastructure bill. This is a big deal. Just Amazing. THE BIF IS A BFD.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
7 months
Excited to hear about the White House’s new Climate and Trade Task Force. At @BPC_Bipartisan , we’ve been digging deep on this issue for the past several years. The issue is ripe and bipartisan. Looking forward to action.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
Speed matters. Categorical Exclusions are an important form of NEPA compliance, allowing agency staff to focus limited time and resources on complicated projects rather than on easily-understood projects with proven records. Recommendations here:
@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
1. Extend existing CEs to other relevant agencies:
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Xan Fishman
1 year
More momentum in the Climate-Trade space. Very happy to see @BillCassidy 's thought leadership in this space. Bipartisan progress is possible here.
@SiegelScribe
Joshua Siegel
1 year
SCOOP: Senate Republicans introduce a climate bill — aimed at China. Got an exclusive look at @BillCassidy 's long-awaited foreign pollution fee bill, which drops today and is the first GOP-led proposal to inject climate change policy into U.S. trade rules
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
Rise and Shine! It’s Permitting Day! Let’s do this!
@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 months
As promised, here's an explainer on what's in the bipartisan permitting bill that Senate ENR Committee is voting on tomorrow. TLDR, It's a great compromise bill where no one will love each detail. Good for energy affordability, reliability, and climate.
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Xan Fishman
4 months
Big week for Climate and Trade!! This Wednesday is our Climate and Trade Summit with an all-star cast. You should come! And today we're releasing a new report (described in next thread).
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
That this made it into @maxinejoselow ’s Climate 202 in the @washingtonpost is *chef’s kiss*
@JamesHewettDC
James Hewett
2 years
IRA implementation without transmission…
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
New report from BPC's Direct Air Capture Advisory Council on financing the full innovation life-cycle for DAC! Most reports on innovation lifecycle focus on each tech stage: lab, pilot, demo etc. We take a different approach and map out 4 different types of risk to overcome. 1/4
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
I would be lying if I didn't say I was sad at this news. When @JasonGrumet recruited me to join @BPC_Bipartisan 2 years ago, I was excited about working towards the vision of the organization. But I was just as excited about the chance to work with Jason 1/
@JasonGrumet
Jason Grumet
2 years
Over the last 15 years at @BPC_Bipartisan , I have had the time of my life engaging in good arguments, leading an incredible staff as they solve the nation’s toughest issues, and most importantly, keeping bipartisan collaboration alive in Washington, D.C.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
9 months
Extremely excited to share this new synthesis report on permitting reform "Finding the Goldilocks Zone for Permitting Reform." In the report we rank 70 options for permitting reform along two dimensions: effectiveness and controversy. 🧵1/x
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
Agree. When considering options for decarbonizing, the right answer is usually AND, not OR.
@JesseJenkins
Jesse D. Jenkins
3 years
Incredibly frustrating to see enviro groups who allegedly see climate change as a "crisis" regularly & actively opposing solutions. NY has 1 of most aggressive decarbonization timelines in the nation & this line is key to those plans. Offshore wind is supplement NOT alternative.
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Xan Fishman
3 years
It’s Carbon day! Let’s spread the holiday C-heer! In honor of the 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons in your standard Carbon-12 isotope (atomic mass ~12.01, i.e. why today 12/1 is Carbon day), I’m going to list 6 positive, 6 neutral, and 6 negative things about Carbon. 1/20
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
3 years
This is an exciting bill from @RepPaulTonko and @RepScottPeters . The IPCC report made clear that CDR is crucial for achieving climate goals. Leveraging federal procurement to drive investment, innovation, and scale is smart policy.
@RepPaulTonko
Paul Tonko
3 years
Today @RepScottPeters and I introduced the Federal CDR Leadership Act to jump-start carbon removal in the United States. Through this legislation, we can deploy innovative technologies, create good jobs & boost economic development all while combating the #ClimateCrisis !
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Xan Fishman
4 months
Getting ready for the big summit! #ClimateandTrade24 @BPC_Bipartisan ⁩ 1pm start time.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
2 years
My Takeaways: 1. Need to more than 2x pace of transmission buildout 2. If not, a) 80% of modelled IRA ghg reductions won't happen, and b) we !increase! domestic use of natural gas & coal Can't 2x under current policy. Need legislation to improve siting/permitting/cost allocation.
@JesseJenkins
Jesse D. Jenkins
2 years
NEW analysis out on the importance of electricity transmission expansion to unlock the full emissions reduction potential (& health benefits) of the #InflationReductionAct : Read on to learn why 100s of millions of tons are at stake.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
Great to see this new bill from @SenKevinCramer and @ChrisCoons . Linking climate and trade is an area of growing bipartisan interest, and it all starts with data. This is a space where policy and bipartisan politics align. Exciting!
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Maxine Joselow
1 year
New: @ChrisCoons and @SenKevinCramer will introduce a bipartisan bill today to lay the groundwork for America’s first carbon border tax.
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@XanFishman
Xan Fishman
1 year
Spent yesterday afternoon talking about permitting reform with the House Supply Chain Caucus. Great bipartisan leadership from @RepDavidRouzer @RepColinAllred @RepDustyJohnson and @RepAngieCraig
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Xan Fishman
2 years
Read my new oped in @thehill on Border Carbon Adjustments, and why I'm optimistic that there's a bipartisan path forward. Spoiler alert: China will be a key bipartisan motivator for action.
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Xan Fishman
2 years
“I do think there is the opportunity to get something bipartisan done on climate” - @SenBillCassidy #DACDay #BPCLIVE
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Xan Fishman
2 years
6yo and I discussing this morning that our last name would be significantly cooler if it started with Bat rather than Fish.
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