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@SHANERAVENSFAN
You had the same amount of stops vs mahomes in one half as Allen’s defense has had vs mahomes in 3 matchups buddy 💀
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@DP_NFL
@JBaileyNFL
we’re gonna act like Allen isn’t the best scrambler of all time statistically, and doesn’t have less carries within the 5, 5-10, 5-15, 5-20, and outside, with less carries in every category? He finds the endzone infinitely more than Lamar and has better epa than every rusher 💀
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@MikMcDaniel
If you have any literacy what so ever you’ll see the nuance of the discussion is giving a game changer who’s carried his team for years dangerous weapons outside himself: frightening scenario for any other team
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@NewEraZach
Allen: only player to hit 4k+ 750+ and done it x2.
Second all time rushing TD (will be first in 35+ less games)
Rush TD szn record
Pass+rush TD game szn record
Ranks higher in epa per rush and play, higher positive play % (lead all rushers in both)
JA scrambler+power > LJ
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@EliteTua
@GregVorse
The bills have 8 outside Allen. Only 6 of Allen’s 13 are even within the 5 yard line. Also, tua has 198 redzone yards. Allen has 370. It just shows value
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@SHANERAVENSFAN
Why does that matter if they don’t have the personnel, look, or play that way in the PS. Your defense shut mahomes out for an entire half and got the same amount of stops as Josh’s did OVER 3 GAMES. He has one of if not the WORST performing playoff defense of all time. Google it
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@myacorr
Lamar fans think just cuz their qb is obviously the best player on their team and finally played a full season he carries more than mahomes or Allen and is better than them 💀. Top 3 ain’t bad but he ain’t 2 or 1
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@theshanehood27
@NFLonCBS
He has sat 2 games in this span lol. Didn’t realize he was averaging 13 touchdowns a game to makeup that difference.
Additionally, last 20 games:
Josh: 5500 yards, 52 TD, 20 TO (15 INT)
Pat: 5500 yards, 33 TD, 22 TO (19 INT)
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@_chandler_____
“Historically bad wr room”. Damn crazy how mahomes had 61% YAC this season and in the playoff game had almost 150 yards of busted coverage to kelce 💀. Actin like Andy Reid and kelce aren’t the best help you can get
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@TheUltLineup_
@AndrewDunigan1
@TJDMCR
Bro had one of the worst OCs in football and a TORN UCL against CIN. Against KC he had an 11% drop rate and his defense forced 4 third downs in 30 Defensive series 💀
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@Yuri_Ravens
1. Kincaid is not better than andrews, but he could be.
2. Vs burrow Allen had a severe injury and Dalton Kincaid was playing for Utah lmfao
3. The reason Allen didn’t beat mahomes in 21 was an awful defense and in 23 was an 11% drop rate and a defense that forced 4 third down
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@Witwickee
@DaveMyersBIB
So josh Allen playing with the corpses of Cole Beasley and John brown and a 7.2% drop rate making the postseaosn and have more touchdowns and less turnovers than 2023 mahomes and the exact same amount as MVP lamar is bad? So diggs saved his career? Make it make sense 💀
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@EliteMarino
@_bbrandonn_
He rushed 13 yards thru 5 defenders to secure a late game first down on 3rd down 💀. He also had ~94% of our teams total yards lmaoooo
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@NewEraZach
Why Zach. Let’s discuss? One is better at scoring on the ground from all areas of the field with less carries in each area. That one is also the best scrambler OAT in all metrics. He also is a significantly better passer and has better dual threat seasons (21-23)
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@PhinsUncensored
@17For6
No… it’s not. Total turnovers are used. Allen touches the ball more and is called on more by his team to make plays, it makes perfect sense to include everything from each team
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@TeebsMcGeebs
@PFF
Taking out the extreme outlier, Allen and cam average the same number of yards per rushing TD in their record breaking seaosns (5.33)
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@SHANERAVENSFAN
KC owns them cuz their defense sucks. BUF v BAL had ~60 MPH winds. I was there. Your team lost cuz Lamar threw an AWFUL pick and scored 3 points in 3 quarters. Meanwhile allen has 3/4 interceptions in the same PS he had a TORN UCL and still has the lowest PS int% all time
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@jaylegone
Wait till they see his record and stats against top 5 defenses (it’s one of the best ever)
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@RatedRacer
Me when I’m unaware how help works. Me when josh Allen’s last 2 games have had a higher pressure% than any in Lamar’s career and a higher drop% than most of Lamar’s career. Yet Allen is still dominating the league in epa/DB over expected.
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@WhoGotACharger
@NFLonCBS
In the last 20 games Allen has 52 touchdowns to 20 TO (15 INT) and mahomes had 33 TD to 22 TO (19 INT). Since 2020 mahomes has 59 TO to Allen’s 77. It is 50 INTs to 57 in that span.
Friendly reminder that 11 of Allen’s turnovers came with a severe arm injury as well.
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@VBSofficial_
Ramsey is perfect for Miami. Talks a lot of crap and is owned by JA17. These stats were against better defenses then yours too 😭
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@JoeCoolStan
“The bengals will lose to the chiefs in a close game and beat the bills in the regular season, the fans will talk immense crap on Twitter. Shortly thereafter the bengals will lose at home in the playoffs to the bills” is a more likely scenario.
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@danorlovsky7
@BuffaloBills
Building on concepts and formations throughout the game is something Dorsey rarely did. He also didn’t give Josh many outs if any in his scheme. Joe Brady’s ability to compound on prior success and allow his qb to have the options so he’s not creating every play creates greatness
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@chiefs_Alpha
@Tommy_Dangles72
So the fact he had more TD from the 5-10 10-15 and 15-20 than any rb or qb in the league this year is a OL stat. Also if that’s a blocking stat does that mean we can take all of mahomes screen passes away? (He leads the league in Screen TD, YAC, and EPA by a mile every year)
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@AjayCybulski
It ain’t on josh Allen that’s for sure. 1 bad play. The whole game. Cook gave up 2 drives, gabe gave up 1, Kincaid drop, Murray/diggs drop, and then 2 drives that stalled out. I don’t understand on those two how we’re only sending 2 WR out. Or on that 4th and 3 there’s nothing…
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@TheCouchCoachJC
@_bbrandonn_
@NewEraZach
Josh does this as well…he literally leads the nfl every single year in epa under pressure…on top of that he also is top 3 every year in pressure to sack percent.
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@SHANERAVENSFAN
Me when I don’t have reading comprehension and can’t look at play. They’ve also been rated one of the worst playoff defenses every year consistently and are one of the worst all time. Google is free 😭
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@NFLsAnalyst
Definitely gonna “regress” next year. Say in quotes because he’ll still be good they’ll just actually call stuff on him. Not to mention these man stats are funny because the jets DONT PLAY MAN
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@HoodieRamey
I mean it’s a great throw. A 60 yard dot. But like…THATS the best throw? An uninterrupted 60 yarder? Ok bro 💀
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@mibpj2
I wouldn’t pay attention to this guy much. Guy with a ravens handle and pfp only as a distraction cuz he’s actually a massive fins fan, so he hates Herbert cuz he’s jealous of what he could’ve had.
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@GhostOfAdamGase
@PFF_Fantasy
Imagine using team accolades to justify who’s a good QB 😂😂. We ain’t talking career. Only semi important thing here to bring QB2 is MVP, and his stats last year with an arm injury are > both mvp cam and Lamar
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@TheGoatMahomes
@_bbrandonn_
He fumbled on a dumb play and played elite the rest of the game. Only settled for 3 cuz the drive was 120 yards long cuz of penalties our idiotic line kept having
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@chris_ferland
@_MLFootball
@WKBW
@NateGearySports
@Kimmick86
@BradleyGelber
@lisaunger_716
@buffalobillsbae
@wufosports
@AjayCybulski
@KingOfPhinland
@B_Shousejr
@houtz
As a bills fan nah. We got better fans overall but Steelers nation always show up. We show up to our division rivalries better but steelers fans are at every game in force. Never seen so many opposing fans at a bills game before.
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@ChiefsMomentum
@UberHansen
You can’t switch up tho. You still have a better and more consistent offense the last few years 💀. Dominate in YAC, dominate in protection, better run game, less drops every year. Most of these points still stick this year. Mahomes has always had more and Allen always has less
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@bwaryeofblake
@Lj_era8
Weird framing cuz 250 100 has been done 16 different times (by multiple QBs in the league rn, 2 by Allen, 1 by taysom, etc). If you wanna talk about there’s so much more you could do with that too. Like 300 and 75, which Allen has done 4 times and Lamar has done once
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@CancelhimI
@LUCKYY10P
L. If you don’t want hard content you don’t have to do it. Wait 48 hours for an easier raid. It shows how GOOD they’re treating us that they take community feedback to heart and make ONE thing in the game hard
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@pottercm
@Espngreeny
@GetUpESPN
Please let’s. Josh Allen has generated less negative epa from turnovers than Patrick mahomes, Jalen hurts, the same as tua, dak. So please: talk to me about timing
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@FinsOrDie
As a bills fan I’d like to apologize for flaming y’all about the loss. I thought the flags were a fluke. Watching the chiefs game then this…it’s ridiculous. Phantom and minor holds on us and then slay clamps sherfield a second early on a crucial down and NOTHING
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@phintastic3788
@jaylegone
This is a true statement. Because it implies the team has finally developed a run game…it’s not a dock on josh Allen, who has done EVERYTHING for his team for years
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@phintastic3788
@jaylegone
4/5 on the last drive to clutch the win is “taking the ball out of his hands” 💀
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@Dolphins7051
@TJDMCR
“Leading in TO and nothing else” leads in Yards, TDs, and adjusted completion % but it’s ok I phins fans can’t use google so I won’t fault you for not knowing!
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@BruceExclusive
I mean the bills just held the offense that put 34 up on the broncos and then ran the clock out to 0 effective points. I wouldn’t use the chargers and broncos defense as metrics of success 💀
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@ZbotTweets
To be fair to him this time around. He’s actually being really fair. We haven’t played strong defenses yet and haven’t really been tested offensively. I think we’ll be elite but I don’t blame a bills critic for being reserved in his praise lmao. The mountain on the other hand…
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@brooklyndude70
@BeerlyFootball
Bruce smith, Thurman Thomas, and josh Allen are murderers? On the field I guess
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@Fvshion4L
@NewEraZach
750 rush yards is a lot of rush yards. Less than 30 PLAYERS did that last year. It’s around 30ish every year. So to do it in less attempts and while passing for 4k is significant. Significant enough that no one in history has done it besides josh 😂
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@KeithMcclendo55
He made Stefon diggs an all pro, pro bowler, top 5 reciever. He made Shakir relevant. He made gabe Davis look good enough to get 17m a year which is an insane feat 💀. He gave the corpses of John brown and Cole Beasley career highs. But ok bro
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@ElTravadore
@Tommy_Dangles72
You have it confused. A touchdown is a touchdown. He did not specify passing lmfao
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@TheCouchCoachJC
@NewEraZach
Ah now the narrative is “my qb has a better coach, defense, team, line, run game outside of myself so we can’t blame him for being needed less and not actually carrying his team”. That’s fine. Odd mvp to get behind tho lmao
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@PFF
Josh Allen has the most impressive arm talent but mahomes is close. Allen has made further and more impressive throws in the field, and he does it at a higher rate than either of the other 2. 120 big play throws since 20, most itl. Mahomes with 40 less.
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@moneymarlo44
Yall worried about wins even tho wins aren’t a team stat. We not faulting Lamar for losing we faulting him for playing like ass 💀
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@TheGoatMahomes
7 INTs plus fumbles in one playoff run is generationally great defense. Surprised Anaroumo didn’t get a HC job after this or 22. Not to mention the AFC chip where his defense played better than the 28-3 pats
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@ransupreme
@NewEraZach
What…first off a 2 TD:INT ratio is not bad at all. Second, he has a 2.83 overall ratio and it’s 2.2 for TD:TO. Third, he has more snaps and is the only qb that has started every game in that span. His TO% is much lower in the league and his epa lost on turnovers is WAY lower.
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@RyGuy94122
@UberHansen
Wins is a bad argument. With the exception of his CIN loss bc he had Dorsey and a UCL tear (an injury that takes 99% of athletes out ~ 9 months) he has played better in the Div than any other qb, win or loss, against mahomes. LJ let’s his team down but JA is let down by team.
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@stone_2x
You are comparing a 45 yard pass with room to spare that’s not even cross body and didn’t make it to the receiver to a 42 yard pass within a yard of the sideline cross body in stride. This ball is good but is not close to what Allen did 💀. 6/7 with 120 yard and a TD vs 1/16
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@Dolphins7051
@TJDMCR
This screams “I don’t watch bills games and don’t understand what a dual threat is / does for the team”. Most QBs would not have made the playoffs 19-23 with this bills team. Maybe 5 in the league
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@AllenBogarty
@TJDMCR
@danorlovsky7
1. You’re cherry-picking intervals to favor mahomes. Allen beat him out in 2021, 2023, was neck and neck with him in 2022 pre severe injury as well. So splitting p2s% in the past 4 seasons plus beating him in epa under pressure for 3/4 of those seasons, yeah I’d give Allen edge
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@LA600_Fansonly
@TJDMCR
How? Surely you don’t mean 2022 when he had a TORN UCL and a bottom 5 OC in football? Or in 2023 when he had a shoulder injury and a bottom 5 OC in football 💀. Or maybe you mean the 2021 season where Allen performed better in the regular season and the postseason?
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@chiefs_Alpha
@Tommy_Dangles72
I have no idea where this narrative came from. If you take the cowboys outlier out, pre-OC change Allen averaged: 40 attempts per game. Post-OC change he averaged: 45 attempts per game. How did they take the ball out of his hands? 💀
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@seanf730
@KevinCole___
@SharpClarkeNFL
My question. When the ravens recievers+TEs have more seperation, YAC, and less drop% than josh Allen’s, what makes their offense worse? Oh also a top 2 line and elite run game
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@BeerlyFootball
Only 1 QB in history has passed for 4k+ and rushed for 750+ in a season and he’s done it twice. He also holds the rushing TD record, pass+rush TD in a game record, and is the only player in nfl history top 75 in both pass and rush TD. He’s not mentioned here.
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@mavseventeen76
@ShakirBetta
Healthy Samuel has the potential to do that. Check his 2020 route tree
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@NewEraZach
@marty41143
You can go per year bro lol. 2020 Allen hard clears, 23 Allen clears. 21 and 22 are better than any Lamar season and close to 19 Lamar lol
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@Deuce1042
just stat picking. What about 300/75…Allen wins that one. What about 2 pass 2 rush TD games, Allen tied for first there too, 2nd all time in rush TD, single szn rush record, single szn pass+rush record, only szn even with 4k+ 750+ and has done it x2. Best scrambler OAT too
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@TheCouchCoachJC
@NewEraZach
Way to not address anything else either. especially the fact Allen is a better scrambler and power rusher. Or the epa stuff, or the countless records
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@bigredclearsog
Mahomes did everything he had to do and more. Eagles fans think bigger number = better play 💀. Don’t forget he had a COSTLY turnover too. Also neither were objectively as good other QB Super Bowl play so…
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@Freshh_LA
@JAFORMVP17
@NewEraZach
Yes Lamar is a better pure rusher. But he is not close as a passer. Meanwhile allen has the best scrambling stats of all time and finds the endzone more both in and out of the 20, 10, and 5, than Lamar does with LESS carries.
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@stone_2x
It’s so easy to tell who doesn’t watch other games or understand basic pressure packages. Your qb has a career pressure rate of <20% and gets hurried 2.4 times a game 💀. Compare to another elite mobile qb like Allen who has a 22.4% rate and 3.73 hurries a game.
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@hannahhraeann
This is embarrassing for our fanbase but I assure you NO ONE is scared of Lamar in any serious circumstances, especially in January. Pretty much just the regular season NFC 😭
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@DiggsPacc
@SamoanSn1per
@_MLFootball
This is wrong…how do you not know your own states geography. Miami and Miami Gardens are two different things 💀
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@Sonkbud
@_hashtagsports
2019 josh (15 games) vs 2023 mahomes. Allen has more TD, less TO, a better record, with worse talent at every position offense and defense AND the same exact drop rate or 7.2% 💀
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@BUFSportsTalk
I was like what in gods name could be better than the 360 kick tuddy and then I remembered. One of the most goated safety INTs of all time
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@NewEraZach
Me when I don’t understand context. 3 all pros out temporarily in the exact position of the field yall exploit, vs offensive growing pains for BUF. BUF is still 3-1 and Allen still leads the league or is second in most advanced metrics
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@HoodieRamey
We do. Easily QB3, not a debate, and the second most entertaining (sometimes most entertaining) qb to watch in the nfl. Also one of 4 QBs in the league that is a HOF lock if they retired today
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@EliteMarino
@_bbrandonn_
He literally has a perfect passer rating dominant game against you THIS HEAR. Another almost perfect rating in 2020, and the literal only ever nfl perfect game of all time against a top 2 defense in the league in poor weather. Oh also the highest rated postseason ever 💀
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@JaMarrMVP_
I think it’s very easy to go back and say that narrative is don’t go their cuz they ruin QBs, like the bears as well. If you don’t think green (even washed), tee (not known at the time but clear now), and Boyd aren’t an elite core, you’re just diminishing your guys to boost Brrr
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@Bdown2clown17
@17For6
That’s my point 💀. No one, anywhere, ever, counts recovered fumbles as a turnover. And a recovered fumble can be a botched lateral or hand off or anything. So if you WANT to count recovered fumbles, start counting turnover worthy plays. Or don’t be an idiot
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@PatCareySports
They gave him 2 years of elite chances before he and the gang had to get paid. He couldn’t make those chances count even tho they had a GENERATIONAL defensive run and another very strong one
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@phintastic3788
@jaylegone
Yes…because they were trying to cook clock. Lost 2 possessions to cook and hardy TO. He threw the only possessions they scored on 💀. 71.5% comp
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@Yeeeboi1998
@UberHansen
@Broadhurst34521
It helps when Luke keuchley has as many touchdowns as you have passing touchdowns in your postseason run 💀
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@Dontcallmycelly
Both of those things can be true. He literally has the highest epa/DB over expected itl by a lot. He’s doing the most with the worst. Amari is gonna help so much.
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@DezBryant
How so dez? Josh Allen is doing EXACTLY what Lamar is with a worse line, worse passing options, and a worse defense. His game vs the cowboys is just every game for Lamar magnified. Make a few clutch throws and let the run game and D do the rest, story of the ravens season
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@uncle_julien
@minakimes
You don’t know what DVOA is. Also ironic that a ravens fan is talking when Lamar has had more offensive help (yac%, drop%, pressure%, separation) every single year of his career and has the highest epa outside qb by a MILE since 2018
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@JimmyGraps
@billsmafiatampa
What is a “choker” to you. Allen puts them in positions to win games. Did he “choke” the 2021 divisional round away? How about the 2023 one where he put them in position to tie despite an 11% that ended multiple drives and stopped their ability to have last possession.
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@BradyCarried
Yeah poor Brady (his offense is unironically better than josh Allen’s but who cares yk). Top oline, 1 elite reciever, and a top 2 TE all time is a very good offense. Not to mention the defense lol 💀
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@phintastic3788
@jaylegone
Why would you pass in that situation? You just don’t know how to play football I guess. Also 4 of Allen’s passes were dropped that game, including another tuddy. Literally no need to risk passing in a pouring rain environment when they can’t stop you at all
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@Freshh_LA
@NewEraZach
4500 420, 37 8
4400 760, 36 6
4300 760, 35 7
4300 520, 29 15
Lamar could never. Let alone the best scrambling stats OAT
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@demcowboysfan
Contacts with arms on a qb leaning forward as a RUNNER IN PLAY. Shouldn’t have even been a flag. Dak didn’t get down or foot lead, he made a move forward, gotta prevent the first down
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@DavidFischer_71
If you weren’t deaf he literally said prior to this game. He also now leads the league in TD passes and total touchdowns. So yeah.
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@chiefs_outsider
This is a mahomes stat, but it’s far more an Andy Reid stat. The crux of the issue is they’re OPEN. He didn’t make a single tight throw that game. Take out kelce and Allen’s cast looks much the same but they’re so much worse advanced analytically
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@Mike_Coop20
@JBaileyNFL
50 mph winds; lamar and his rush scheme had every advantage but he was so bad in the passing game it negated it. Meanwhile Allen played decent and safe in poor conditions and pulled out the win
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@MIK3MCDANIEL
It’s insane how Twitter has weaponized this false narrative. Him against 1-5 seeds is still significantly better than most of history overall, and is far better than Burrow and Lamar overall. Only on Twitter will people tell you 377 YPG, 2.6 TDPG, and .4 INTPG is mid 💀
@LA600_Fansonly
@JaLbJ23
@17For6
@marty41143
@Lullaby77LFC
@bodaciousben1
JA17 vs 1-5: Adj. comp% of 67.4, pressure rate of 22%, 377.4 YPG, 2.6TDPG, .4 INT.
JB9 PS stats: Adj. comp% of 71.3%, pressure rate of 25.9%, 275.3 YPG, 1.4TDPG, .6 INT.
Allen has two insanely bad situation games via severe injury and record winds, and yet still dominates JB
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