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@RyanLEllis @AndrewFiggy Takeaways from the letter: Reiterates the church’s stance on welcoming immigrants (fair), along with an annoying reminder of the Pope’s at times poor/vague messaging on political issues, and his quick trigger to condemn conservatives
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@AndrewFiggy @RyanLEllis Ok, but if people immigrate illegally in massive quantities, some form of “mass deportation” would seem necessary to avoid effectively having an open border. But again, obviously a lot of competing interests at play. No easy solutions.
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@AndrewFiggy @RyanLEllis Agreed it’s very complicated. The Pope’s position, however, appears to be if someone wants to immigrate to the US, they should be able to, and the US can’t deport anyone that doesn’t commit further crimes while here Which seems both extreme and not supported by previous teaching
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@AndrewFiggy @RyanLEllis But this letter is clearly responding to Trump admin 2.0. More specifically, he more or less directly responds to Vance’s take on Ordo Amoris. If things are so bad that a letter to the Bishops is needed, it would be nice if the Pope got a little more specific on policy.
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@pjfahey @carleolson What is the Pope’s teaching on immigration? The letter says nations can’t privilege some immigrants while sacrificing others, and that illegally immigrating shouldn’t be associated with criminality So does everyone get to immigrate if they want, and no deportations are allowed?
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@RyanLEllis @AndrewFiggy It does seem the Pope believes grave injustices are occurring due to US immigration policy currently, but being quite vague on how specifically things are unjust.
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@ThyGeekdomCome @matthewpao1 That’s an extreme case that qualifies for asylum protection. What about the usual reason for immigration, which is general poverty, which is quite common worldwide? It’s not church teaching that everyone has a right to immigrate, and the US can’t deport anyone once they’re in.
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@getty_a96716 @sasso333 @KatiePMcGrady Well… overall a good Pope but his lack of clarity in public statements has unfortunately been somewhat consistent over his tenure.
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@getty_a96716 @sasso333 @KatiePMcGrady How does a nation have and enforce immigration laws, but not privilege some and “sacrifice” others, as the Pope wrote? Unless the immigration policy is that everyone gets in if they want to, I do not understand how privileging some and sacrificing others can be avoided.
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@Pontifex I am curious how a nation is to both: 1.) develop policy that regulates immigration. And 2.) Not privilege some and sacrifice others Don’t all immigration policies, at some level, privilege some at the sacrifice of others? Unless the policy is just everyone gets in.
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@justin_fenton @BaltimoreBanner Allegations from 2012 to 2016…. right after his worst year ever and the ravens owing him a lot of money….. A little fishy
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@BatmanStoops @soonersSauce @tjmoore305 You clearly didn’t watch a lot (or any) Wazzu ball this year. Elite athlete tho. Still should be solid for you
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@BWCACatholic @NigelChia92 @ryanburge The prudential teach is based on the Church’s determination that capital punishment in the West in the 21st century is unnecessary, and therefore, immoral. My point is, that determination made by the Church should not be completely dismissed as a meaningless opinion.
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@BWCACatholic @NigelChia92 @ryanburge The leaders of the Church don’t have the competence needed to determine what is and isn’t moral? If you believe this, I will just return to what I asked before… why be Catholic?
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@BWCACatholic @NigelChia92 @ryanburge I agree with your point that the death penalty is not in the same category as the other two. However, it seems you treat prudential teaching from the Church as a political proposal that one is free to outright reject if one disagrees. Teaching should hold more weight than that.
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