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Pastor Foster, I am under no illusions that such folks "already existed" before you & Bnonn published *It's Good to Be a Man* and prior to East River Church. My gist -- do you ever sit back and reflect how you might have contributed to the growth of the Christian dissident right?
Accounts like this either don’t understand or are unwilling to believe that these folks already existed.
This is not an issue in our church and it never has been because, just like in my book, we’ve been quick to address sinful anger.
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This is what happens when you quote their words back to them, and to the general public —
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Joel Webbon eased into the 4th of July with a discussion yesterday afternoon about statism. Near the end, he moved into the area of national policy prescriptions. Not *descriptions* as Webbon often emphasizes when cornered, but *prescriptions* A 🧵 of quotes (1/7):
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Leaving California in December 2020, Joel Webbon *moved into* a part of Texas with a decade-long settled, sizable South Asian population. And, really, where he actually lives -- and where his church meets -- the South Asian population is comparably *lower* than other local spots
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Jack Posobiec’s real feelings about transracial adoption —
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This is what happens when they can't answer back.
This is what happens when you quote their words back to them, and to the general public —
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All to say, Webbon chose to "fight by flight [from California]" but he chose to fly into a set of neighborhoods that, by the national average, have been much more South Asian than most - some by far. And for some time. He moved into their existing space; they didn't "invade" his.
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On the church (not) assisting those at-risk women and children (5/7) --
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Read through
@megbasham
chapter on immigration. Too much trying to make Russell Moore the main villain. Not nearly enough on Richard Land’s responsibility, Land’s long-lasting participation, and Land’s years-long relationship with Matthew Soerens and Jenny Yang.
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.
@rightresponsem
,
@Eric_Conn
, and Joel Webbon's co-host, Wesley Todd, are talking about racism today. Webbon started the podcast by reading an article by Wesley Todd. After that, Webbon didn't waste any time, tying race into how he goes about choosing medical doctors --
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@megbasham
Megan -- this is way too *ad hominem* for a book review that, while very biting in places, wasn't vitriolic or spiteful in content, tone, or approach -- at least from my reading of the review.
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Bringing it all together -- it's just about repentance. This, Webbon says, is what [inserts verbal scare quotes] "scary" Christian nationalism is all about. We'll "see an America [we've] only dreamed about." "And we should go back there." (7/7)
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On handling the question of homosexuality (2/7) --
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Instead, Webbon's about getting lazy men to step up to help their at-risk women and children, but he believes the "state" and welfare gives perverse incentives, primarily to young, black men (6/7) --
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@harmonizedgrace
You *might* need SSRIs in conjunction with what you’ve listed. You *might* not, but there are certainly some situations in which they’re a godsend.
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So, the guy who publishes Raw Egg Nationalist's Man's World (see screenshots below) is now going to publish old Hardy Boys books. What could possibly go wrong? This is simply transmission belt publishing to get younger boys on board.
The Hardy Boys books have been significantly revised from their original form. The earliest books in the series are now in public domain and they will (very) soon be brought back to market by
@PassagePress
, with stunning new art from
@AlexWisnerArt
.
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Blake Callens -- who is about to spend a year or so digging into the intellectual, social, and political history of American nativism, American anti-immigration movements, etc. -- is starting a walk through Stephen Wolfe's New Christendom conference talk.
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.
@jonharris1989
was on
@rightresponsem
this afternoon re: slavery, US history, the Confederacy, etc. I'm cleaning up the transcript. Here is Harris on how the "postwar consensus" view re: the Holocaust plays into current perceptions:
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@PastorBenMarsh
Note the caveat “formally”
Spare me the asinine “Evangelicals for Harris” garbage. Same goes if any “Evangelicals for Trump” thing formally emerges.
You should not vote for a party by attaching evangelical hopes to one or the other.
You vote for leaders and the platform who best execute justice, moral
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Apologies: “…tying *his own comparative assessment of professionalism to what he believes is a statistically ‘true’ distinction that unfortunately correlates with race* into how he goes about choosing medical doctors.”
.
@rightresponsem
,
@Eric_Conn
, and Joel Webbon's co-host, Wesley Todd, are talking about racism today. Webbon started the podcast by reading an article by Wesley Todd. After that, Webbon didn't waste any time, tying race into how he goes about choosing medical doctors --
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If you are screaming about a Sikh prayer at the RNC but gladly spoke at NatCon 2024 and couldn’t raise a public whisper about platforming India’s BJP, you can sit this one out.
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Well, we have yet another right-wing, so-called "Reformed" micro-press offering a 1937 book championing German Positive Christianity (positives Christentum) -- Cody Justice's Sacra Press.
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I want to make sure this doesn't get lost in the fray.
It's *really* important that conservative Christians become familiar with these outlets.
And especially after today's post, I'm going to add
@spanglermt
@pactuminstitute
. Michael Spangler today on interracial marriage:
Fellow Christian, if your go-to conservative Reformed online influencer is busy pumping or positively recommending any of the mini publishing houses listed below, you should be [a] publicly asking them "why?"; and [b] quickly reconsidering their wisdom and judgment --
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Fellow Christian, if your go-to conservative Reformed online influencer is busy pumping or positively recommending any of the mini publishing houses listed below, you should be [a] publicly asking them "why?"; and [b] quickly reconsidering their wisdom and judgment --
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Keep in mind all their comments these last few weeks on immigration, neighborhood homogeneity, and what is “natural,” and what’s “heritage,” and then go back and read the adoption tweets.
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Twenty-five years ago, Valdis Krebs published a white paper, *The Social Life of Books* In it, he "wanted wanted to see the network in which my book of interest was embedded," and "the 'network neighborhood' surrounding this book."
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“I don’t even know what country I’m in, in my own neighborhood,” complained Webbon. “At the end of the day, if things get rough, I don’t know if my Hindu neighbor is going to fight to save the lives of my children."
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Here's a "Gone Fishing" sign for week or two.
I thought I'd use MacIntyre's post as a springboard for a lengthy book recommendation list. Secondary histories about 1917 to early 30s -- the *before* of his *despised* "postwar consensus." The years of Auron's "real politics,"
History isn't over, real politics have returned from their banishment after the postwar consensus
You don't need to be for or against that but if you operate under obsolete models you'll get crushed
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Cedar Park and Avery Ranch have been South Asian neighborhoods for some time. The Sri Shirdi Sai Baba Temple in Cedar Park opened in September *2012*
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I’m totally in for
@jonharris1989
fatherly love and pride. But for a second, imagine the online response if
@DavidAFrench
or
@NancyAFrench
posted a picture of their adopted Ethiopian daughter with Harris’s same statement, “My political philosophy is whatever is good for her.”
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For all of my conservative (inc Christian) brothers who gave ad space & promoted Gold River Trading Co in 2021 and 2022, this is who you helped in the end —
@jonharris1989
@JoshDaws
@jchasedavis
@ssharmaUS
@CrossPolitic
@ConceptualJames
Something that bears repeating: Raw Egg Nationalist has never claimed that his Nazism is playacting "edginess." That's always been a line from his business associates and their friends who want to maintain mainstream cred. He's now trying to claim he's a racially pure Briton.
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Two of the largest employers in Ogden are Hill AFB and the IRS's Office of the Inspector General. How many of Refuge Church's tithe dollars originate with that "alien/demon-riddled" US federal government? What do US government workers in his church think about stuff like this?
It would surprise me precisely 0% to learn that the US government was in direct contact with demons in the guise of “aliens.”
Actually it would explain a few things.
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Again,
@megbasham
’s chapter isn’t really a Russell Moore story. Let’s go through some **pre-Evangelical Immigration Table** SBC statements and work on immigration. Here’s the 2006 Resolution —
Read through
@megbasham
chapter on immigration. Too much trying to make Russell Moore the main villain. Not nearly enough on Richard Land’s responsibility, Land’s long-lasting participation, and Land’s years-long relationship with Matthew Soerens and Jenny Yang.
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Helpful AAPI zip code demographic maps of note (and in this area, Asian = South Asian). The red square = Avery Ranch, which, as you'll see, is the largest South Asian population. So I'm not accused of doxxing, somewhere in blue square is Webbon's neighborhood and his church.
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Let's go to his actual words, then. You mean this talk? --
I wish we had the kind of Christian discourse that could discuss this important talk by
@PerfInjust
instead of expressing concern about past tweets and associations.
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Witness, today, The Prudentialist on how foreign adoption in her immediate family has made Amy Coney Barrett "politically unreliable." Joel Webbon said the *exact* thing about ACB back in January after the 5-4 decision re: razor wire removal on the US-Mexico border in Texas.
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I didn’t see anything in the chapter about Sojourners’ Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CCIR), which kicked off late 00s. Or Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CfCIR) (Juan Hernandez and Robert Gittelson’s organization)?
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Sojourners’ CCIR was already in existence, so Evangelical Immigration Table’s creation in mid-2012 was really about getting additional, more “conservative,” evangelical groups on board — particularly folks like Richard Land, the ERLC, and the SBC.
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National Immigration Forum’s “Forging Consensus” campaign in 2011-2012 used CCIR & CfCIR and crafted an umbrella messaging campaign (“Bibles, Badges and Business”) and Evangelical Immigration Table. After the creation of EIT and the BBB campaign, CCIR & CfCIR went by the wayside.
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@CuratorPunished
Race is a huge part of how Webbon tells the story about why he left Acts 29 --
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In multiple places, Stephen Wolfe highlights German Romantic-period philosophers Johann Herder and Johann Fichte. They are foundational for the national inclusionary/exclusionary definitions of *volk,* *volkisch,* *heimat,* *nationalgeist,* and, subsequently, "volksgemeinschaft*
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As I mentioned,
@realJeremyCarl
is load-bearing here. If you’re a Christian and you haven’t read *Unprotected Class* and Caldwell’s *Age of Entitlement*, they’re the Urim and Thummim re: current push for an explicitly white identity politics.
@AlsoACarpenter
For the next few months, be prepared to be inundated with citations of Christopher Caldwell's *Age of Entitlement* and interviews/excerpts of Jeremy Carl's *The Unprotected Class*
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HT:
@HasBrainCanRead
My sermon from last Sunday, an exposition of Ephesians 6:5–9 concerning slaves and masters:
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Look at how even the *softest* of critical reviews of Basham's book have been treated by the "Bashamites": "Nuance bro" "physiognomy check," "he doesn't know the time," "regimevangelicals" "Big Eva desperate to hold power," "fake and ghey." This is intentional moderate-shaming.
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Timon Cline would have everyone believe that hosting Karen Swallow Prior is the moral and Christian equivalent of pumping race realists like Steve Sailer. Don’t fall for it.
Personally, I think this is fantastic! Really great to see…
@AmReformer
is now officially safe from taking any flack for anyone it has on the pod, ever. I love the marketplace of ideas!
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Am going through this and I think it will be one of the most important source texts for understanding the language and approach of the new right in the American church
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The Sri Venkateswara Temple was subsequently constructed on the same grounds, and was consecrated in mid-June *2014*
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Krebs saw this behavior early in non-evangelical settings - very early indeed. And it may be that it *always* was this way, but we lacked Amazon data to discern it. Unfortunately for evangelicalism, I see nothing but an increased use of books (and book reviews) as tribal markers
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@John_Barach
@zugzwanged
@KSPrior
also highlighted this piece in the inaugural Dispatch Faith newsletter a few weeks ago —
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In addition to
@Evangels4Harris
, there is also
@VoteCommon
. Doug Pagitt (
@pagitt
) is the Executive Director and is the co-chair with Samir Selmanović. Vote Common Good has been forefront in the critique of Christian Nationalism, and will have an active presence at the DNC.
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha — he’s gonna block me for it, but this is a deeply unserious and unschooled man. The scholarship on Christianity & Third Reich is voluminous, heavily archived based, and readily accessible
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@CopybookHeads
What about Webbon’s description makes you use the — obviously pointed — “clearly unassimilated?”
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And here's Jon summarizing the war itself --
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The Apostles would have rebuked this behavior. In fact, James did.
I just heard another small example of how Catholics do a great job in cultivating higher profile converts.
An evangelical theologian I know converted to Catholicism. The church made sure his confirmation occurred at the cathedral with the bishop personally.
Those are the sorts
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The origin of Evangelical Immigration Table isn’t simply “George Soros dark $$ got Russ Moore’s ERLC to support ‘liberal/Democratic immigration policies.’” There was a substantial effort underway by *Richard Land’s* ERLC **years** before Moore took ERLC’s helm.
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@Brian_Sauve
It wasn’t an AI transcript. I watched, and listened, and if it was a joke — which I’m not convinced it was — you have a peculiar way of joking in a sermon.
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What about the zip codes contiguous to Webbon? You can see demographic maps for two of them here. The percentages drop the further east and north you get.
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First, thanks - though I'm deducting 💪points as you still have me blocked. Second, what kind of evidence would prove a specific med-mal *incident* had been the result/consequence of an "affirmative action MD hire?" Comparative cohort MCATs? Comparing shelf scores by race?
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Regardless of how careful one is, how many of one's own receipts one brings, how specific the criticism, any pushback against Basham's book is friend/enemy marker. Indeed, as
@William_E_Wolfe
put it, you're automatically a liberal if you criticize it. There are to be no moderates
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@drantbradley
Dr. Bradley — Garris has also published the South African scholar Adi Schlebusch, who used to write for the now-defunct Faith and Heritage site, and who presently pushed “ethnic complementarianism” through his org, the Pactum Institute.
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@Janet_Mefferd
@RScottClark
Garris blocked me when I asked him about his publishing of the Pactum Institute’s Adi Schlebusch, who used to write for Faith and Heritage, and whether he [Garris] held to Schlebusch’s “ethnic complementarianism.”
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Let’s play a game. Let’s all suggest Brit/Aussie-accented guys that
@jchasedavis
has zero problem accepting “truth” from? I’ll start — Charles Cornish-Dale (aka Raw Egg Nationalist).
This was a good exhortation from a CREC minister on a growing issue in the online "Reformed" evangelical world. While I'm grateful to see it coming from within the CREC, I also think influential CREC pastors like
@douglaswils
helped to promote and equip some of the renegades who
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Jon Harris: "So you don't see anything about slavery, for example, in Virginia's secession declaration."
Survey says --
And here's Jon summarizing the war itself --
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By posting this, there are some who will say, "I'm gonna read these folks even harder."
So be it.
But if it gets a few to pause, ponder, and think about it, it's worth the risk.
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@HasBrainCanRead
@___brig___
Another of interest & note. Here are Webbon and AD Robles, a week ago, starting about 12 minutes into the podcast. Remember -- "describing/not prescribing" -
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And, oh boy, here we go. We're all about to hear a bunch of conspiratorial stories about Israel Zangwill, the author of the 1908-1909 play, *The Melting Pot*. Stephen Wolfe (L) addressed it in his talk in Ogden, and Webbon (R) says "[we're] not ready for that rabbit hole."
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A new Atlantic article that connects well with my thread from yesterday —
As I mentioned,
@realJeremyCarl
is load-bearing here. If you’re a Christian and you haven’t read *Unprotected Class* and Caldwell’s *Age of Entitlement*, they’re the Urim and Thummim re: current push for an explicitly white identity politics.
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This is an excellent “summary,” “lesson learned,” and “rule of thumb” coming out of Megan Basham’s book. I’d only add that you should do this when taking money from secular right-wing sources, too.
If you are a church or Christian organization taking money from aggressively secular or progressive sources you better make clear the limits of their influence and the distinction between your vision and theirs.
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@contramordor
Don't you live in, like, Placer County or Grass Valley or somewhere around there? Has it really become *that* bad? What's your "crisis" yardstick here?
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And be careful before claiming, "Yep! Plundering the Egyptians and all that." That could lead in a number of directions --
Congregant: "If it's 'demonic,' should I find a new job?"
Refuge Church: "Nah, let that 'demon' keep funding your child's classical Christian education."
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@HwsEleutheroi
@Evangels4Harris
This sounds a bit different from how you've described it. What sources are you using?
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And why would Stephen Wolfe emphasize Jack London's *Valley of the Moon*? Oh.
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If you, as a Christian, see these folks recommending you max out on “retrieval” fiction or non-fiction projects and/or historical personalities —especially late 19th and early 20th century— it doesn’t take much digging to figure out why.
Stephen Wolfe highlighted Henry Cabot Lodge a few times in his New Christendom Press conference talk.
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And what are
@rightresponsem
thoughts to all of this?
@blakecallens
On the other hand, this critical sermon by CREC pastor Steve Jeffery is a ray of hope for Christian maturity and sanity.
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Other examples of what might be called intention “inoculation” against people applying “racist” or “racism” to challenge the growth of white identity/grievance politics into conservative Christians circles. /END
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Since April *2015*, the online forum Indusladies[dot]com has had a page devoted to the best Austin neighborhoods for Indian families. Top of the list was (and is still) Avery Ranch, with Ranch @ Brushy Creek (just north of Avery Ranch) coming in second -- again, in 2015.
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I expect, 30 years hence, that we'll all see the extent to which early 21st century American conservative evangelicalism was already so internally brittle that all it took to push it into tribal warfare was a conference reflecting on the 50th anniversary of MLK's assassination.
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Vote Common Good has a multi-part curriculum on Christian Nationalism involving a number of key academics, authors, and speakers --(including
@profsamperry
@ndrewwhitehead
@AmandaTylerBJC
@kathsstewart
and
@kkdumez
)
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If you read Jeremy Carl’s acknowledgments, it’s a pretty decent ecosystem roadmap —
@blakecallens
@realJeremyCarl
But, Blake, he had *so much* help with his white grievance politics. Michael Anton, and SACR's Scott Yenor. Guys from IM1776, L0m3z (oh, and true name, Keeperman -- *before* the Guardian ident). Hanania, Haywood, Yarvin, Sailer, Rufo, Nate Fischer, William Wolfe, Nate Hochman --
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For more details to read in conjunction with
@megbasham
Shepherds for Hire’s chapter on immigration, you should pick up the following —
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Hochman sees himself as one of the “moderates,” mind you.
@blakecallens
@realJeremyCarl
Here's Nate Hochman, just yesterday, talking to C Jay Engel on the Chronicles Magazine podcast -- according to him, Jeremy Carl and the like are the "moderates"
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In the same episode on racism with
@Eric_Conn
, the two of them reiterated their expectations for our "post-Constitution" America -- "Red Caesarism," (
@rightresponsem
says monarchy), and/or a new techno-Franco to finally decide the exception and eradicate all those woke commies.
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Doesn’t repeat, but, man, sometimes it certainly does rhyme.
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NOTE: I'm not anti-Evangelicals for Harris. But I am a strong proponent of being as transparent -- especially with respect to American evangelicalism. Moreover, as I've made known, I don't agree with everything
@megbasham
has written, but I do appreciate facts and digging.
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Deracination - Zeisloft wants everyone to see and adopt that word. For folks unfamiliar, see Kruptos below. It is ostensibly what happens *to* a local, particular culture *by* [a] the actions of the "liberal" "regime" and/or [b] mass immigration by those not of the same locale.
All I see here is a small town which was probably filled with down-to-earth Christians in generations past but is now producing Hawk Tuah girls after decades of deracination. Nothing to celebrate. Plenty to mourn.
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The question, ISTM, is whether
@ryancduff
&
@ostrachan
are, indeed, per
@BenZeisloft
and
@Eric_Conn
, making category errors. I think it best to let the readers see
@rightresponsem
references to “enemies” for themselves.
@BenZeisloft
@ostrachan
Here is the part of the transcript above + where he talks about "enemies" near the conclusion of his talk. I think one does see some eliding between so-called *political* and so-called *theological/church* "enemies" in this. Don't you?
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I was just speaking with a friend at church on Sunday morning re NT Wright’s assertion that if a person, steeped in Roman culture, only had Philemon to work from, that person would still realize that something utterly transformative had taken place
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@megbasham
@bobsmietana
I’m still not sure there’s as much daylight between the two ERLC heads. Land was explicitly praising Obama’s “statesmanship” on immigration in 2010, and EIT’s late 2012 open letter to Obama used Land’s Baptist Press language re principles from 2010.
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In August, "People that already support Obama are reading this positive book. The anti-Obama books -- *The Obama Nation* and *The Case against Barack Obama* are mostly being read by people who are already against Obama."
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@the_blind_guide
@tompawnbadil
As I asked Joel himself after he commented on my TL --
First, thanks - though I'm deducting 💪points as you still have me blocked. Second, what kind of evidence would prove a specific med-mal *incident* had been the result/consequence of an "affirmative action MD hire?" Comparative cohort MCATs? Comparing shelf scores by race?
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