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Just someone who gushes about things I love and vents about things that are close to being good but miss the mark.
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@literallydarnel
The email was from January FYI, but since it's been radio silence since and they had the playbill at a staff member's table at Megacon that makes it worse.
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Good there's finally consequences for Neil Gaiman being a shitty rapist. And to all those worried about Good Omens, don't be. If Rick and Morty can survive its predatory showrunner being kicked off and still continue, Good Omens can too. Just get a different showrunner.
'Good Omens': Production Paused On Amazon Drama From Neil Gaiman
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@ArteiceTB
Found an update—the Hazbin playbill has been done since February and a staff member had them at a con. I emailed A24 this morning and they said "the playbill has been delayed" and it's "nearing completion". "Nearing completion" my ass, they've been done for months!
#HazbinHotel
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@KnightessTTV
@FurretTophat
1. A playbill is given at Broadway shows that has info about the cast, and Viv claimed hers would have "a lot of goodies", and really hyped it up. People paid over $70 for it.
2. This is from January, it's been radio silent since. No one has the item they paid for. That's why.
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@NightfallGazer
@s3tok41b4
That's actually the one from January. They haven't sent any other message out since aside from replying to people's inquiries with "the playbill has been delayed" despite it being done since February at least since they were at MegaCon.
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@QueenMomichan
1. That's no excuse. 2. He literally just ran out, it takes time for effects on being off your meds to happen.
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@Sunnifungai
@s3tok41b4
Heck, I made an "in-character as Husk" one in 2 minutes and it works better:
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@AnghelA74731153
@Baix0_
While I do adore Hazbin, Vivziepop blocks people for everything. Blocked people for making lighthearted jokes about the swearing, for this, for mentioning any criticism, for asking where the Hazbin playbill is that people paid for months ago and no one got...
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@lindsaykatai
Question since you were in the board pitch for art/fic purposes, is the Power on the left supposed to be Wanda and the Throne/ophanim on the right Cosmo? I assumed as such due to the order they went in but someone pointed out it looks like the ophanim has eyelashes.
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@ujivoice
Please also share Ken's document too! That proves that Viv actually didn't write most of the Hazbin pilot, Ken did, they only got "additional writing" as a credit, and when they wanted proper credit Vivziepop ruined their reputation.
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@saggingarts
Even if people "barely know her" her shaming a minor for being sexually harassed by a person on her team who rapeships ValAngel and storyboarded Poison isn't a good thing.
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@ElgersmaJoseph
@TheCartoonBase
1. It's messy and rushed, and the animation is stiff. I have things I love about it but it's no Blue-Eye Samurai.
2. Look at FlitxPatron yourself, it's not actually 1 worldwide there at all. It's not even in the Top 10.
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@MCHINGUNPOEMDLL
Also please mention that she failed to credit Ken for writing most of the pilot (not just jokes, but coming up with the news scene and Al staying at the hotel which is the driving force of the premise), failed to credit them, then slandered them.
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@HazelMo85612028
@forever_gf618
Probably the nightmare page that implies...
SPOILERS
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The reason Dipper and Mabel's parents sent them to Gravity Falls in the first place was because the parents were fighting, and that's why Dipper accepted Ford's offer so readily and why Mabel did what she did.
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@AGramuglia
Even if NG didn't SA those women and it was all consensual, the fact he had sexual relations with them, decades his junior, is a huge power imbalance, esp since one was his employee, the other was a fan, and one he was having sex with while he was married.
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@EricPellinen
@DiscussingFilm
Toph could "see" just fine with earthbending. Hence people forgetting she's blind half the time.
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@VivziePop
@saggingarts
"Limited budget"
Maybe you could have kept at least some of the pilot voices rather than hiring expensive Broadway talent that blew the animation budget?
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@Showtoonz123
While in isolation that could just mean she doesn't want strangers prying into her personal life, it's worth noting that she also hearted this comment, indicating yes, the experience was negative.
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@DevilMurdock1
@s3tok41b4
They shared this with the same person before the Queen Bee episode came out:
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@WolfWraithPress
Let's say they're lying and Neil didn't SA them. However, at the minimum he had age-gap sexual relations with much younger women, an employee and a fan, one of whom he was with while he was still married to Amanda Palmer.
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@SlayQueenArt
@ind1estar
Especially after she outright admitted it, then claimed "they're an SA survivor", only for it to be proven they weren't an SA survivor so either she didn't know or she was lying.
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@literallydarnel
They went from saying "they'll ship late July, top of August" in mid-July to now saying the design isn't even done.
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@orangesareicky
@JenrelLouis
@ChappellTracker
@VoteJaybird2020
@alexroussx
And why should we listen to the person who can't use the right spelling of "your"?
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@art_dweeeb
People do work really hard on shows, yes, but if something isn't working it deserves to be critiqued, especially if it's an easy fix. Author's Saving Throw is a trope for a reason.
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@Zhane_Star
In this case, Viv constantly underpays her staff (her HR person who's a friend of hers even practically bragging about it), and she slanders people who want credit for their work when she fails to give it to them. It's not just disliking someone for the sake of disliking them.
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@ArteiceTB
Replying to my own post to show the uncropped version of the table so you can clearly see the playbills. Would have included it before but Twitter only allows 4 pics.
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@ArteiceTB
Showing the other two uncropped pics as well. If Amir knew, and that Spindlehorse member knew, safe to say Viv knows, especially since she was at Megacon where all this was. So people can stop with that "Viv probably doesn't know the status" bull. She knew.
#HazbinHotel
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@shardai_smithh
Okay, I was pretty sure the allegations were true given some past posts I had seen from years ago, but now this seems to clinch it. If there was nothing to them then PHR wouldn't be wiping his name from copy and his blurbs from reprints, would they?
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@QueenMomichan
If you think it's not an excuse, you really could have worded the tweet better. The wording comes off like "Stolas treating Blitzo the way he did was totally okay because he was off his meds". You may not have intended to come off that way, but the wording had that implication.
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@WolfWraithPress
@MichaelMaiello
You act like adults can't have power imbalances over each other.
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@strwblitzy
That's not the argument anyone's making. Plenty of people say villains can be likable—look at the lieks of Hades. The problem in this case is that Viv downplays Val's actions (calling him "Bubbles-coded") while Stella detractors act like she's as bad as Val. She's barely there.
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@koinkydoinky
Even worse. Friend asked for clarification considering the "mid-July, top of august" claim earlier...
AND THE DESIGN ISN'T DONE.
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@CooperGal24
@vivziereceipts
Posting proof of someone being a terrible person to the people they claimed to care about is not harassment, it's attempting to get justice for the victims she's hurt in the past and continues to hurt.
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@KhanDoormanMD
@ID0NTSUPPORTVIV
Everything outlined here, for starters.
The ever-evolving master🧵of everything Vivienne Medrano, AKA Vivziepop, has done that doesn't involve fictional characters, personal kinks, or stuff from 10 years ago:
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@MEdwardsVA
Regarding the "can't publicly share" thing, thought I'd share a tidbit that I saw during the Neil Gaiman stuff:
NDAs are voided if they cover up crimes.
Just passing that info along.
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So less than 24 hours after Poison was released, we get proof of just how poisonous Viv is. And she had the gall to claim the voice actors didn't blow the budget. Paying your animators $35 per second, let alone for the series finale, is slave wages. Spread this.
#HazbinHotel
Green light to send this around has been given, and you'd better believe I'm gonna do just that.
Proof, straight from Adam himself, of Spindlehorse paying Hazbin animators $35 per second. That is fucking /slave wages./
This is abuse.
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@buffskierights
@BenoitBlancFan
True, but they have Neil Gaiman's rebuttals, and even if that's all they have that confirms bare minimum the sketchy age gap with speaks of a significant power imbalance at minimum.
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@Patbacknitro
@s3tok41b4
That was actually from January, but considering it's been radio silence since then that actually makes it kind of worse.
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@fearfulnhungry
Additionally, Gabriel responded to this matter in the replies of this post, and am I the only one who thinks it still sounds sketchy?
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@hellsbest_tv
@Minigmaenigma
Amazon didn't want it. The fact that Brandon of all people is Katie Killjoy shows any and all casting decisions were Viv's and Viv's alone.
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@MichaelMaiello
@WolfWraithPress
Even disregarding the age-gap, one was an employee and the other was the other was a fan. Especially with the former, there's an automatic power imbalance in the relationship, especially since Neil was apparently sexual with the former within hours of employing her.
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@SUPER_UN_STABLE
@Celezticuh
Playbills are free pamphlets at Broadway shows that give info about the cast and songs. The Hazbin ones were the main selling point of the top-tier pre-order package which cost $70.
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@Christhezombie8
Heads up to anyone believing this, read the rest of the article that they conveniently left out.
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Claimed I didn't respond due to being "too afraid to reply". No, I just have life outside of you, Vivziepop, though you likely won't see this since you blocked me. You hired celeb voices for the cast, and those cost more.
#HazbinHotel
#vivziepop
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To everyone following the Neil Gaiman allegations discourse, I just saw this on Reddit. Seems more people are going to be coming out with their stories soon. My heart hurts.
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@MildChow
@Sunnifungai
@s3tok41b4
It doesn't insult the paying customers and doesn't insert fucks where it makes no sense. Of course it is.
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@cheryllynneaton
Same. First I thought "Oh, Neil Gaiman's trending because of The Sandman, Good Omens, Coraline's 15th anniversary, or a new book, right?" Yeah, my heart shattered once I clicked. Power-imbalnced relationships at best, a SA-er at worst.
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@ind1estar
Viv, claims the person who did the boards is also a SA survivor.
Person who did the boards: I respectfully disagree
@ChompChompsZo
@AbashedHound
@ammomancer
@Glamrockfoxybro
Don’t lie about it, they say they aren’t a victim
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@oldschoolfrisby
@ujivoice
Someone who's been in the animation industry for decades says otherwise:
Frank did great work at Warner Animation for decades. If there were ever an authority on this subject, it's him.
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@hellsbest_tv
@Minigmaenigma
Amazon had literrally no involvement until the summer it was supposed to come out, long after the show was done. It was finished in February. Amazon wasn't the distruibutor until the summer.
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@s3tok41b4
People: Don't trust anything Chai says about Viv because he likes dragons!
Meanwhile, Viv's likes:
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@CreativeSpoonie
Or at the very least him being removed.
Rick and Morty survived its predator showrunner being kicked. Good Omens can too.
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@viralcosmos
@radostmar
@s3tok41b4
A playbill is a small pamphlet they give out at Broadway shows, detailing the cast and song order.
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@Snooty1244
@KnightessTTV
@FurretTophat
Also:
1. Even if that person got blocked for some other reason (Viv has even blocked people who never said anything) the fact of the matter is Viv is ignoring the playbill issue for months and people still lack them
2. That mail was from January and it's been radio silence since
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Wrong. Michael Kovach said multiple times that Taft-Harley agreements could have easily let non-union actors on. A24 lets creators do what they want, and there's no way Brandon Rogers being Katie was an A24 decision. All Viv. And of course you're a coward preventing replies.
@Crowmere2
@Spastry45
@Hotlegs101_art
She didn't kick everyone invloved A24 did. You guys love blaming her for everything. A24 has a strict policy when it comes to their contracts. The only person who didn't conflict in contract with A24 productions was Edward Bosco but he left to play Striker in Helluva Boss.
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@potatopoptart04
Reminder to everyone that the pilot cast were fired all because they were friends with someone Viv didn't like.
Also Jill Harris wasn't paid for her role as Charlie. (1:11 mark)
Reminder that these people...
- Basically signed on as volunteers.
- Were apparently let go because they were friends with someone Viv didn't like.
- Have no beef with the new VAs, but they were done extremely dirty by Viv, and there's lingering hurt to this day.
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@aster42513060
@KnightessTTV
@FurretTophat
Even worse is that the message is from January. It's been radio silence since.
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@Christhezombie8
@ROTTING_RUCKACE
@chris_moliere
They should be called out too, but that doesn't mean Viv gets a pass because someone pays worse. Hold people accountable no matter how much you like the show. Period.
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@QueenMomichan
Nah, looking at the wording you said "I think needs to be said again since people think Stolas was being intentionally manipulative. He wasn’t on his antidepressants." That outright sounds like you're saying "he wasn't intentionally manipulative, he was off his meds, you guys!"
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@FizzyFrogCam
@VivziePop
A new show being searched more for a single day than a show that's been running for over two decades isn't the gotcha you think it is.
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Reminder that even despite Viv now trying to use her likes for damage control, Viv commented on an even younger Hazbin fan with Brandon being "cute".
alex is 100% right at the end, absolute shame on the parents dear GOD this is BAFFLING
cast must have felt so embarrassed, i cannot believe there are parents letting their 9 YEAR OLD CHILDREN watch and say these things, wtf man 😭
cons gotta put age restrictions for these panels
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@internetintell2
@SoftFurSunlight
It's per second of animation. They're getting paid $1.45 per frame, with 24 frames per second of animation. They'd make more money at McDonalds.
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@hellsbest_tv
@Minigmaenigma
It was not, at all. As Michael said, Taft-Harvey agreements allow non SAG actors in union projects all the damn time, It takes 5 minutes and costs a fee.
Viv was dishonest and kicked the cast to the curb because they were friends with her old friend. Quit defending her.
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@iHateCogsci
Hey
@iHateCogsci
, did you see this? Seems even Penguin House Publishing is starting to scrub Neil Gaiman's name and blurbs in some divisions.
For those following the Neil Gaiman situation
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@Zhane_Star
People would stop if she stopped hurting people. She keeps hurting people. Ergo, people will keep talking.
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@themiutoo
@saggingarts
Indie creators are supposed to be above the exploitations of the industry. I feel it's worth calling out when some bows to abusive practices to get fame.
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@AnghelA74731153
@Baix0_
Oh, she has in the shows themselves. Sir Pentious is a dig at one of her old friends who she made fun of for liking steampunk (and if I recall she called his suicide attempt "karma"), Fizz's stalker is a dig at both this one guy who stalked her and people who are critical, etc.
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@KnightessTTV
@Snooty1244
@FurretTophat
Honestly even if the block wasn't for that (people who've interacted with her have been), the fact of the matter is Viv hasn't said a peep about the playbills despite them being at a con months ago she was at. Even a simple "There's a delay, I'll say more when I can" would help.
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@JessIsNotADrYet
@VivziePop
@saggingarts
Michael specifically moved to LA at the time to be close to Hazbin, assuming he was going to return. If "the VA change was always going to happen", for everyone, that should have been made clear at the start.
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@MegaChanRevival
You deleting it just means the narcissistic asshole wins. She's infamous for being unable to take criticism.
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@GUSUG_
@VivaDaRevo
You're not retarded! I think what you're thinking is that it's per second of work, but it's actually per second of completed animation. Basically getting paid $1.45 a frame.
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@Domo54530900
@helluvareceipts
That was what shocked me most. It would be questionable enough if it were on her dead account and we could chalk it up to her being a questionable teen. But the fact that she updated it in November is just nauseating.
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@asbesttos
@fearfulnhungry
Viv is a bad person, but honestly I highly doubt she knew. Claire and Gabe got engaged in 2021, several years after the pilot released, let alone was recorded. I don't like Viv either, but I'm 99% sure she had no idea.
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@Luisch_95
@CryptidAftrDarq
In those shows it was treated with tact and respect. Viv makes a sex joke in reference to that scene and has someone on her team who ships ValAngel as a rape ship and Viv herself wanted a pin where Angel's chained to Val. Viv borderline festishizes it.
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@magentamantiz
@s3tok41b4
She ended up blocking me before I could respond. I was thinking over what to say and she goes and claims I'm "too afraid".
Unlike herm I like to actually think about what I want to say before I say it.
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@HarunoSakura
@vivziereceipts
There's no indication they're fake, and there's plenty of stuff that's more recent and provable true, you dickrider.
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Dan Schneider of course, but also Vivziepop, especially after finding out how terribly she treated the people who helped her and continues to treat her employees.
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@Pistat_NIO
@ArteiceTB
Honestly I don't think that's really an issue the FBI can solve. They have more important things to deal with. If the playbills don't deliver I feel Viv could be sued for scamming/false advertising though, especially since they were done in February.
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@TheOne_n_only00
@Showtoonz123
While I do agree that people shouldn't be prying into her personal life, her TickTok indicates that her experience with Viv and Spindlehorse was very negative, judgiung by her hearting this.
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@sadaoru
So Octavia is self-centered because she's a kid whose dad pays attention to the guy he cheated on more than her?
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@ArteiceTB
Also wanted to clarify, the latter two images from Amir apparently could be a fan-made playbill given the different cover. The pic with the playbills on the table are the legit ones though.
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@squiderdoodle
Let me guess, they didn't credit you again?
Dang, I can't wait for your NDA to expire.
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@LordMarukio
I'm honestly surprised I don't see English Twitter talking more about it. A lot of the posts I find are in Spanish.
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@Christhezombie8
@averylazygirl
And yet you didn't dig enough to even read the rest of the damn article.
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@Bronze_Noon
@literallydarnel
It's insane how you ignore noty only the workers who have come out about low pay, but Adam Neylan, the head of Helluva, how proudly admitted it himself.
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@AbbyBubbls
Rolland being crap didn't stop Rick and Morty. If they can get a new showrunner Good Omens should be fine.
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@TsukiHimesenpai
@thecartooncrave
That was one of the proposed styles back when their intent for G5 was to make the main cast be retooled versions of the Mane 6 (Twilight being an earth pony, Applejack being a "bad girl", etc.). Then they decided to go with an entirely new cast instead.
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@hooded_raire
@Minigmaenigma
They had the option to reaudition, but she literally sent the info out to them the last minute so they'd have less chance.
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@Sakura_5123
@saggingarts
You do realize that kind of thing is disgusting to say to anyone, minor or not, right? Quit being a bootlicker.
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@Technical2905
@KaztielCS118
@wer0crOw731
Can't say for sure about the SVA stuff, but she did provably trace Ken's design for Cherri and never credited them, so I wouldn't doubt it.
@Kittendowo
@KaztielCS118
@sillybrngartist
Here's more context, it was a sketch request - she never credited me and ended up tracing my art for Cherri's official character art.
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@Kobshua
@OC_Defense
@s3tok41b4
That's not normal. Most jobs do. The fact that not only do they not mention pay, but they have an extremely high turnover rate with how often they have calls for animators... lot of red flags.
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