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A very much long and needed thread about NorryNator 🧵
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The antiblackness in the hellaverse fandom : a very much needed and long thread 🧵
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@zaethegaye
Ppl really got to stop treating vas like this. yall know damn well they can’t fight back or say they’re uncomfortable bc it’s their job and they don’t want to get into controversy.
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Yall realize ppl spent money on the merch, yall realize they could get sued right? Ppl aren’t mad over the email, they’re mad that spindlehorse / viv isn’t fucking taking it seriously lmao
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But of course none of us should be shocked because this fandom is pretty notorious for being antiblack.
Exhibit A
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The “hellaverse” refers to the two shows created by Spindlehorse Toons, led by Vivienne Medrano, also known as Vivziepop.
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Blackface isn’t some fandom discourse. It was something white people would do for entertainment. They’d paint their faces black, wear red lipstick and mock black people’s mannerisms.
It is an action built from antiblackness.
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The first show, Hazbin Hotel, had its pilot released in October 2019, with the fandom basically appearing overnight. And this year had its first season air on Amazon Prime, with three more seasons confirmed.
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Now that I’ve explained the plots of the shows, I’m sure you’re all wondering why I’m making this post in the first place.
More recently a prominent Hellaverse critic known as helluvareceipts was harassed off the platform because of all the racism they were facing from stans.
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“But how do we know that these ppl were being racist?” Welllll…
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To this I would say
1) This was literally on all social media platforms and there’s no way Viv didn’t know about it.
2) Blackface is far more serious then most of you realize.
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The majority of people who spoke out against it were on TikTok, Instagram, or from non-hellaverse fandoms
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As you can see from the picture above many people were celebrating it, and condoning the harassment they received.
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Hazbin Hotel follows Charlie Morningstar, the daughter of Lucifer and Lillith, trying to redeem sinners, to save them from Heaven’s exterminations. The main cast also consists of porn star Angel, her girlfriend Vaggie, and the shifty Alastor.
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At some point they basically started shipping a character HR had a pfp of (Bertha who was a black rape victim) with Valentino, a rapist.
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And when others did speak about it, they brushed it off saying “it’s only a few people” or “how was viv going to control it?”
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So the fact most people brushed it off and get mad when people bring it up proves the hellaverse stans don’t actually care. That reminds me…
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The second show, Helluva Boss, follows Blitzo (the o is silent) as he runs his own assassination business in Hell who kill humans on Earth.
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They later would admit they did this out of pure spite, with many people pointing out how petty and immature this was.
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Exhibit B
ChompChompZo
Zo is a relatively popular creator in this space, mostly posting about Zoophobia and Helluva Boss. However they were one of the very first people who have harassed helluvarecipts off the platform.
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I think a lot of you need to realize that 3D animation is a valid medium and isn’t just “cheaper and faster” not a top, more at the comments
"We want this to look and feel like 2D"
So....so do it in 2D. Why all this extra work?
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But I guess they are a glutton for punishment because they also said “coon” a slur for black people that meant “shifty”, comparing them to raccoons.
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This couldn’t be further from the truth, and has been debunked several times. Emmet was a teenager and a woman LIED saying that he whistled at her. And came out recently saying she lied.
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People of course called them out on this but they have shown no remorse. Zo you are not black so you can’t say this word, it doesn’t matter what the context is!
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When Norry isn’t teaching minors about BDSM, liking nsfw fanart of minors, defending Nazi cosplay, or making fun of S/A victims, she likes to lie about black history!
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Exhibit C
Norrynator
I could make a whole fucking thread on this piece of shit BUT honestly I’ve heard a video is already in the works about her so I’ll leave it at that.
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and no I do not think the entire fandom is racist but a very loud majority is.
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The first thing she lied about was Emmet Till, stating that he whistled at a white woman, getting him lynched.
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In this screenshot Norry tried to defend ghe killing of rapists by saying that it’s the same argument with black men. Norry why would you immediately go to black men about a conversation about rape 🤨🤨
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Also in case artsy comes in here, artsy leaked someone’s suicidal thoughts so yeah wouldn’t really listen to her when it comes to harassment
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Norry of course was called out and blocked any black person that disagreed with her, but then again she would later use this to defend her other deplorable actions.
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My moot explained this really well
Like yall saying HR defended a pedo when all I’m seeing is them saying that said person was horrible but that they were believing said persons story of abuse. Nowhere was I able to find HR defending someone being a pedophile.
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got an email about the Hazbin playbills yall!!
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@stxr_bliss
TLDR : some fans got mad because hr spoke against someone called Ang who draws shotacons and lolicons
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@piipstachio
@Pypixy
that’s the funny part, it doesn’t even matter bc all sinners end up in the pride ring no matter what
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Muting this in a few minutes but I love seeing this conversations and everyone’s opinions and thoughts ^^
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like I’m so deadass this whole Hazbin playbill situation is funny bc viv better be happy that no one has contacted their bank or credit card company. Like this is class action lawsuit shit.
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Also I’ve been seeing some ppl say “well maybe they’re having trouble making it” okay true but why the fuck are they making more merch then
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@nyltrix
Honestly I haven’t seen any proof of that, the only proof I’ve seen is people spewing a shit ton of slurs at them.
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not really gonna argue if Hazbin is a bad show or not but this is a very bad take because there have been far more popular shows this decade LMAO
“Why doesn’t the most popular cartoon in a decade get cancelled?” do y’all hear yourselves
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I think it’s funny bc the whole point of my thread is how some prominent members ignore and harass black creators for speaking out, and that’s literally what happened after I posted it. They didn’t even address my points they just were like “nuh uh”
A black hellaverse critic: I think these shows have major issues. I think the fans have major issues.
Black hellaverse fans: yeah I agree, I've seen some pretty bad racism here
White hellaverse fans:
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I fucking swear Val fans need to understand why ppl hate rapists so bad like why do yall struggle w this concept
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@Pypixy
@piipstachio
GOD YOURE SO REAL FOR THAT. It also doesn’t help that they also can’t leave pride (except for if they find cracks in the pride ring that supposedly leads to other rings).
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@Dracgayla
and someone else was saying we’re all a bunch of Karen’s?? like how dare we demand a product we paid for
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@soapybubblies
Viv is so fucking lucky that credit card companies haven’t gotten involved bc they would’ve sued her ass
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I think a lot of you need to actually watch the shit you criticize
Also aren’t you racist
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“Stir the pot” omg you guys cannot be this fucking dumb.
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@silverfloof424
Dude i preordered this and i still haven’t gotten it yet. It’s been several months and no updates.
Viv has also blocked anyone who asks about it. And clearly has no intention of addressing it. That’s a borderline scam.
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“You can’t refund for a delayed item” you absolutely can lmao. under the consumer contracts regulations you’re entitled to a refund for any late packages
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really weird how you guys are making fun of birdie in a video where he talks about his abusive family members, being groomed, and being harassed but go off ig
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And again Viv isn’t communicating and blocking anyone who asks about the status of the playbills. And no one is communicating with us what’s wrong at all.
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Something I’ve noticed about Norry is not only does she compare critics to actual rapists, but every time she can she also brings minorities into it. Like I’m 90% most of the shit she says is racism + not caring about actual victims
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@bigrowdydemon
There is a rumor that Hazbin actually had twelve episodes instead of eight but the voice actors were so expensive that they had to cut some of the episodes, which honestly would explain so much
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Make sure to do your daily click! And support Palestinian aid!
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@DearlyBearloved
I’ve literally got so many comments being like “how will I rp my fetishes??” LIKE OKAY?? GOOD TO KNOW IG??
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Also some ppl have said “you got most of it!”
Imagine you buy a computer online but like it’s only 3/4 of that. I mean yeah you got *most* of it but it’s still an incomplete product. Here’s a case of another company doing something similar.
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@Ghristopher1
@toastdotmp3
Vivziepop is trying to portray voodoo as evil when it is an actual religion.
And she can make him look mixed by not giving him pale ass skin and actual make his hair have more black features.
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I actually have but it is weird how you’re trying to justify the grooming of a child but you do you ig
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oh it’s the girl who sent her followers to harass me lmao
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Pack it up gang the stans found the post 😭😭.
I don’t know why yall wanna dick ride her so badly she’s a grown ass woman and she should face the consequences of her actions. And if she isn’t trying to scam she’ll make a statement.
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you called someone schizophrenic. y’all are just as bad as 4chan 😭😭
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Also you absolutely can get sued even if you give your customers most of the product bc you still didn’t get what was promised LMAO
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@Artiah669
I genuinely don’t know what the problem is w the redesign she just looks rlly realistic 😭😭
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I honestly can’t imagine making offensive art just to piss off a random person on the internet that you will never meet in real life and then talk over black voices 😭😭
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@lawldydawdy
the amount of ppl on this post that have like, basically said they only use them for smut… and it’s hard for them to find ppl that are into the same shit?? Like um,,, SIR
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Just want to let yall know that I wouldn’t listen to these ppl !! Idc how you feel about chai but chaiarchivee actively gets their sources from assholes. 🧵
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Same vibes
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@Dracgayla
not her bringing up emmet till… like get his name out of your stupid fucking mouth
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hellaverse fans never beating those racism allegations
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yall have got to stop reposting art. Even if you credit it. You are getting attention off someone’s hard work
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@HornetPawsDraws
@nyltrix
I meant more like I think HR was going to post evidence but they were harassed before they could make a conclusive post if that makes sense?
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@nyltrix
This was posted three days ago, and I know HR was kind of on a break, and they were also harassed off the internet before they could provide any more evidence.
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1) she’s a child
2) every time Stolas has tried to hang out with her he always brings his affair partner. In Loo Loo land he literally spent the whole time flirting with Blitzo and he didn’t even need a bodyguard and in Seeing Stars he broke his promise -
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The hellaverse fandom have shown how antiblack they are.
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@BeebZ_DonoZ
@Pypixy
@piipstachio
Yeah that’s what we call a plot hole. The point of hell is that it’s a terrible place to live for everyone. Rather than rehabilitation or literally fighting heaven it’d be much easier to get the other rings to open up.
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@Ghristopher1
@toastdotmp3
She literally portrays Alastor’s voodoo magic as evil. And Alastor himself is a serial cannibal.
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@ArrowErrorXx1
If I die at Disney world I want Minnie Mouse to tell them my ashes are being shipped soon
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@danyelle_frost
@ujivoice
They’re supposed to, the ppl who ran the panel should’ve stopped her, but I guess they didn’t enforce the rule 😭😭
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Also the way I’m getting harassed proves that you guys are proving the point of the thread LMAO
this fandom is once again showing how you guys are totally okay with harassing black people with no evidence or reason!!
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@Ghristopher1
@toastdotmp3
Also this person explains it better but she literally makes Voodoo magic look evil in the pilot.
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this is why hoyoverse literally will never change bc you guys will continue to play no matter what
if I uninstalled every game that grossly misrepresented me and my cultures, I would have almost no games to play.
it's actually very weird behavior to dismiss people who want better for the media they engage with.
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why are all Zionists pedophiles, like yall are already committing war crimes you don’t have to be worse than that
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like yall it isn’t fucking cheaper. if anything it’s way more complicated than 2D 😭😭 (not dissing 2D animation btw!! I think both mediums should exist)
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