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If you want to see leftists be dismissive of racism, just check the comments
The Left wants us to forget the real Southern Strategy of the Democratic Party:
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Democrats will look at maps like 1972 and say “well, yeah the southern strategy…”
The Party Switch Myth is a COPE
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RE: party switch myth, if you’re told to trust leftist historians, here is but one example of their standards.
They take a Goldwater quote, distort it to mean the opposite, some even insert a half line from a diff occasion. And they all thoughtlessly repeat it. Peak mediocrity
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Democrats will look at maps like 1972 and say “well, yeah the southern strategy…”
The Party Switch Myth is a COPE
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This trend is a good illustration that the vast majority of people don’t conform to the narrative presented by the party switch myth (or people don’t vote ideologically). I’m not suggesting that our views of past figures 100% proves what their ideology was in reality, but isn’t
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@peepohigh
@Ajamarie80
@KariLakeWarRoom
I’d suggest reading a little deeper than a Wikipedia entry. For example Goldwater was a lifetime supporter of racial equality and campaigned on it in 1964, as Republicans would continue to do. The South changed its values and came around to the Republican Party voting on the
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@dunicae1969
@davisre28
@loribet15502835
@its_The_Dr
People get Nixon exactly wrong on civil rights. He didn’t play on people’s racism, he played a huge role in bringing the South on board. He brought the country together out of chaos. Easily one of the most effective Presidents on CR. Far out balances any private comments he made
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@RealPizzaPepe
The two most important context when the left talks about Republicans “southern strategy”:
1. Throughout the ‘60s-‘70s the Democrats had a far more nefarious “southern strategy” to pander to segregationists.
2. Democrats also had a strategy kind of like a “racism red-scare”
The Truth about the 1988 Election and Willie Horton. Which campaign used race in a destructive desperate attempt to instigate fear and hatred? There is a clear verdict:
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@Copernicium1473
@SLICKFlood
@miresjs
@IAmSophiaNelson
My bad, that was actually the Democratic candidate
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@amarchism
You mean people who don’t know how the Dixiecrats became defunct in the ‘50s, in part because the democrats put a segregationist on their ticket in ‘52? Or do you mean the later southern strategy by democrats which was always worse than the Republicans?
The Left wants us to forget the real Southern Strategy of the Democratic Party:
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@The_Antipodean_
@its_The_Dr
@Seablackhorse
Then segregationists got behind George Wallace, who returned to the Democrats
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@Sevronosaurus
@sfsmith17
@Columbus2382
@AlbertSTartagl1
@ByronDonalds
@JoeBiden
@RepJeffries
@harrisonjaime
@DerrickNAACP
The Democratic front runners, even in the liberal wing, constantly allied with segregationists and gave them concessions. The thing you falsely accuse Nixon of, is what the democrats actually did
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@seamusasfuch
@BodhisattvaKat
@southernmsgurl
@plasticcloud13
@jerrieskid
Yup! There’s a reason I said he “returned” to the democrats. (You can see this stated in the google clipping you posted.) Wallace continued to be the last hold-out for segregationists. He was less than 2% behind McGovern by popular vote in the Democratic primaries of ‘72, got 3rd
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Do you think the left would consider this a “dog whistle”
The Left wants us to forget the real Southern Strategy of the Democratic Party:
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@SamRayburnDem
The purpose of me posting the ad was to show he was campaigning to blacks. The “your vote” is talking about the black vote.
But I think you should give more credit to Nixon. Nixon pushed for these things in his bridge to human dignity theme, and directly asked for more spending
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@Jonatha35842279
@TheChoochNation
@jps56789
@colorfullstory
Goldwater didnt run on a platform of segregation. How did he win the South? Many democrats probably voted for him out of protest, many more because they believed the lies LBJ told about Goldwater, which you apparently still believe. Here is a more honest ad from the south:
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@tbark
@ReadTheScore
According to his daughter’s book, she believes he would have continued to support democrats
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@Kenneybrock
I’m guessing you didn’t read the post about your Atwater quote then. In short, Atwater said the opposite of what you think he said, that Reagan’s campaign was “devoid of any kind of racism, any kind of reference.” That quote was Atwater speaking hypothetically.
The Wikipedia
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@StormbornMcGee
@GBNT1952
@ScottPresler
The thread is filled with primary sources. You don’t have to listen to “right wing opinion,” just read the source. I thought you wanted us to learn history
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@squirellfan
@GhostOfPr0nounP
@SomeHeckle
@rebel_rem
@DreamLeaf5
Evidence? The earliest Gallup polls show that the south, while being the most supportive of Jim Crow, also leaned liberal, while Republicans considered themselves conservative. The South changed its values, not the parties. Republican presidents continued to push for racial
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@Kenneybrock
@carolmswain
It is pure narrative
Lee Atwater's infamous quote serves to confirm the left’s self-anointed position atop their beloved American moral hierarchy—it also serves to absolve Democrats of the inheritance of racial politics—there’s just one problem:
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The Truth about the 1988 Election and Willie Horton. How the Left gets everything wrong:
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Democrats will look at maps like 1972 and say “well, yeah the southern strategy…”
The Party Switch Myth is a COPE
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@Wyrmeye
@its_The_Dr
How come people always say it’s very well documented and then you ask for the documentation and it’s just like the drunk ramblings of Lee Atwater
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@Sevronosaurus
@sfsmith17
@Columbus2382
@AlbertSTartagl1
@ByronDonalds
@JoeBiden
@RepJeffries
@harrisonjaime
@DerrickNAACP
No that didn’t happen. Nixon didn’t promise to delay integration, and more importantly that’s not what he did as president. Does this look like delaying integration?
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@johndoespectre
@its_The_Dr
No, they didn’t. What happened to George Wallace? He’s the last real hold-out leader for segregation. He stayed a Democrat and eventually changed his mind. Segregation died with the democrats
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@FrenchGirlColo
@msaristotle
Here is an example of her standards, from the beginning of her book.
She takes a Goldwater quote out of context to mean the opposite of what he actually said. Even more shamelessly she strings together a line (the part about hunting ducks—also out of context) from a totally
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@Erik_Naught_6
@RTSintern
@ReadTheScore
@yourbestam
Also just totally wrong. The Republican Party was the conservative party when the democrats openly supported Jim Crow
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@Kenneybrock
I provided a pretty thorough rebuttal to your Atwater misquote, and Willie Horton should be self-evidently absurd, but we can get into it more if you’re really that much of a masochist.
To answer your question, a “southern strategy” (if you mean pandering to
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@Kenneybrock
Your examples are perfect for my argument: that Democrats string together absurd narratives so that people fear Republican “racism.” The Willie Horton ad being “racist,” along with completely misrepresenting Atwater’s quote, you keep making my case
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@jukejoint77
@JayVTheGreat
@keithboykin
Jesse Helms was the last to leave in ‘72? George Wallace finished a close third in the Democratic presidential primaries in 1972, and got 3rd again in 1976
The attempted assassination of Wallace left him paralyzed. This ended his '72 campaign after strong showings in the early Democratic primaries.
Wallace finished third in the tight 1972 Democratic Presidential primary, winning 7 contests and 3.7 million votes, 23% of the total.
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@Half_86
@BumpstockBarbie
“Republicans should adhere to the principles of the party of Lincoln. They should leave it to the George Wallaces and the Lester Hills to squeeze the last ounces of political juice from the rotting fruit of racial injustice.” -Richard Nixon
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@PhDsciencenerd
@bonham_jay
@scarychickennu1
@TruthHammer4EVA
@LibertyCappy
100 years ago Calvin Coolidge was president, conservative icon
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@DoktorCat
@zadokq244514
@elonmusk
Atwater wasn’t saying that was the Republican approach. In fact he said the opposite if you listen to just a little more of that same interview. He said “don’t quote me on this” because he wasn’t giving his perspective. He was answering a hypothetical
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@beeljo
@BillyJoeEdwards
@JDunlap1974
Dang you got the out-of-context Atwater AND quoting Ehrlichman? It’s like the ultimate double whammy of sinking your own credibility
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The Left wants us to forget the real Southern Strategy of the Democratic Party:
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@MountainDogMa
@BasedMikeLee
This southern strategy?
Throughout 1970 Carter embarked on a deliberate campaign of openly attempting to align himself with George Wallace and Lester Maddox. Carter borrowed campaign symbols like Wallace's well-known slogan, "Our kind of man," in prominent TV advertising and print.
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@SamRayburnDem
@JYotal30810
@HenryHebert16
@DaddyWri
@acnewsitics
I think it's more accurate to say FDR hated anyone who didn't show complete obedience. You can see this creepy "100% New-dealer" pledge by candidates, and even people like Walter George who supported almost everything FDR did, and called him "the greatest leader among
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@IntrepidKeith
@NudgeNudge77
@JayVTheGreat
@derrickvanorden
1968 doesn’t show that at all. If you’re primarily voting on segregation, you’d vote for Wallace, who returned to the democrats and even almost got the nomination in 1972. Nixon had a good civil rights record and campaigned on racial equality. From polls it even appears a lot of
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@riogirl9909
@PluckyRamblers
@JoeWhit30367397
Hey we gave a shoutout to this book in our most recent article!
Upside-Down History: The Mythology of Barry Goldwater.
Part 1: A cornerstone of the Party Switch Myth relies on a provably false quotation.
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@beeljo
@RTSintern
@apathetic_NY
@YETMO33
If you ever want to announce that you’re willing to believe absolutely anything that fits your bias, this Ehrlichman quote is the perfect way to do it. You couldn’t dream up a less credible account
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@veryrealbatman
@ReadTheScore
Of course it changes the quote. Goldwater did not say he was going after whites when he said he would “go hunting where the ducks are.” It’s a complete distortion, but that doesn’t seem to bother you, just as Carters past doesn’t seem to bother you. Very revealing
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@MountainDogMa
@mhinson12
@BasedMikeLee
Why would you be talking about voters? Do you vote for a politician or do you vote for the other people voting? Democrat politicians were always much more heavily involved in the Klan than Republicans ever were
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@keenanwalke89
@goodstructure
@DecodingFoxNews
@az_mountai49832
Goldwater’s own words from tCoaC, like this: “I believe it is both wise and just for Negro children to attend the same schools as whites, and to deny them this opportunity carries with it strong implications of inferiority.”
He disagreed on methods, not goal
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@BornStrummer
@TruthWins52
@DrSmithPhD
It is not false. Do you mean segregationists giving Goldwater a protest vote in states that Republicans would go on to lose the following years, or barely win in years that were complete landslides
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We should stop pretending Lee Atwater's infamous Abstraction means what Democrats want it to mean. It objectively doesn’t:
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@peepohigh
@Ajamarie80
@KariLakeWarRoom
She talked about how democrats use fear, and you’ve given perfect examples. The accusation of the southern strategy is meant to create fear around people like Nixon, who oversaw more school desegregation in the south than any other president. Democrats have always used this
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Lee Atwater's infamous quote serves to confirm the left’s self-anointed position atop their beloved American moral hierarchy—it also serves to absolve Democrats of the inheritance of racial politics—there’s just one problem:
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@BornStrummer
@TruthWins52
@DrSmithPhD
What happened was segregationists eventually got behind George Wallace, who was the last major hold-out as far as segregationist leaders. Wallace continued as a Democrat and eventually changed his views on segregation. Segregation died with the democrats
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@peepohigh
@Ajamarie80
@KariLakeWarRoom
You haven’t shown any proof of a major switch over. You’ve just said the phrase “southern strategy,” one of the main tools of the left to create McCarthyism-type fear around Republican racism
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@profofprop
@TheCombatantEc1
@prageru
You’re revealing yourself. Is that the criteria you use to “prove” the party switch myth? The existence of ANY racist Republicans? I never said there were no racists Republicans, in fact there were a portion of racists since the beginning of the party, yet the party as a whole
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@MountainDogMa
@mhinson12
@BasedMikeLee
Why would you be talking about voters? Do you vote for a politician or do you vote for the other people voting? Democrat politicians were always much more heavily involved in the Klan than Republicans ever were
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@profofprop
@TheCombatantEc1
@prageru
You have it completely upside down. On the issue of race, Democrats were far more pandering to segregationists in the ‘60s-‘70s, and on issues of national defense and the economy, the Republicans were seen as (and were in actuality) far stronger
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@chriscano2603
@SkorchVoluntary
@PrimePosted
@Batfamilystan
A few basic problems:
1. His opening premise is that the South of the 1950s was conservative, just as the South of the 1990s. Setting aside how conservatism can mean different things in different eras, it’s also just plainly false based on polls. The South leaned liberal, was one
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@RedMoment0
@JayVTheGreat
@MyDickInYoMouth
@SwaeLee
What’s an example of Goldwater’s anti-black propaganda? He fought for racial equality his whole life
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@Utusprig
@tbierly
@Larue7718
@WolfSha77087420
@ErinSpksLoudr
@TheDamaniFelder
I like the way Nixon explained states rights:
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@AlienJorin
@SkorchVoluntary
@chriscano2603
@PrimePosted
@Batfamilystan
Here are some examples of Goldwater's and Nixon's actual strategies (not just out-of-context analysis from staff). You'd also have to ignore what followed. Ford, someone who supported every civil rights bill, went up against Carter, a former segregationist.
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@KAMA52
@ReadTheScore
It is an enormous stretch to say that school integration had jumped by 70% in some places due to black relocation in a 2 year period solely because of the Fair Housing Act (although I’m not saying it had no effect).
The Supreme Court decision was a huge catalyst, but like many
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@veryrealbatman
@ReadTheScore
Your “cherry picking” point is silly. You’re reading part 3 of a series. The attached pic was said in part 1. The point isn’t to smear Carter, it’s to show the clear double standards and that Democrats always had a much more nefarious southern strategy
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@plasticcloud13
@seamusasfuch
@BodhisattvaKat
@southernmsgurl
@jerrieskid
Right, part of the Democratic strategy to is imagine innocuous positions as innately racist, as part of the racism-red-scare. “Law and order” is another great example (you’re really helping me out a lot). For example, all the candidates in 1968 wanted law and order. It was a
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@DisneyKid1955
@ReadTheScore
It should be easy to imagine someone supporting racial equality, but finding fault in CRA64, or having other methods/strategies. After all, most modern democrats don’t actually support it. Affirmative action and DEI are explicitly against CRA64
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@La_DahliaNoire
@ChrisTigani
@Bryan36krun
@acnewsitics
This is what Nixon actually said about states rights
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@keenanwalke89
@goodstructure
@DecodingFoxNews
@az_mountai49832
The southern strategy was real, far more on the side of the Democrats. I also suggest reading about Goldwater and Nixon, but make sure it’s true
Upside-Down History: The Mythology of Barry Goldwater.
Part 1: A cornerstone of the Party Switch Myth relies on a provably false quotation.
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@Christo23090010
@_GodIsNotDead_
Goldwater personally made proposals that were adopted in the 1957 and 1960 civil rights acts, which attempted to deal with voting rights. He believed existing law (such as 14th/15th amendments) needed to be enforced, but weren’t. He believed in empowering the attorney general if
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@Erik_Naught_6
@RTSintern
@ReadTheScore
@yourbestam
Backlash is one of the reasons to oppose racial discrimination. It worsens race relations, undermines real achievement with minorities. You don’t have to agree, all you have to do is acknowledge that there are people who hold this position to see the party switch is a myth
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@La_DahliaNoire
@ChrisTigani
@Bryan36krun
@acnewsitics
You said Nixon was trying to appeal to anti-black sentiments with what he said. You used the example of him saying “states rights.” Now it doesn’t matter what he said?
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@rterwilliger123
@Atroe_Cious
@its_The_Dr
The GOP never embraced segregation at the highest levels. I didn’t free any slaves, but ideologically I much more identify with past Republicans. If you want to fight for a colorblind society you would vote R in every generation
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@SamRayburnDem
@ReadTheScore
@RTS_Dan
The article is about how people twist Atwater’s 1981 interview, and I don’t see your examples as contradicting that
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@lakecountydem
@Aloha1776alohA
@SteveKrak
Like I said, segs mostly either changed their minds, or died and their kids didn’t believe the same as them (also massive migration took place, so to a large degree it’s not even the descendants). The South changed its values. They were liberal-leaning New-Dealers in the ‘30s-40s
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@MTB757
@TommVR
@JamesPleickhar2
I’m conservative and I find myself ideologically identifying more with Republicans of the past. If I went back in time I would vote for Lincoln, Coolidge, Dewey, etc. You’re trying to say that I don’t actually think what I think I do?
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@hayate_hiryu
@Zizzlebuzzle
@einsteinscomb
@BigEWill624
@OldeWorldOrder
@uncleDavid2
When I debunk you, it doesn't matter. Why are you still pushing the Karl Mundt stuff?
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@profofprop
@TheCombatantEc1
@prageru
That’s true though. The left has had an ongoing well-documented strategy to create red-scare type fear around Republican racism, while trying to absolve themselves. It’s why all the “evidence” for the Republicans’ “southern strategy” is so desperate and far-fetched
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@DannyYoungGOAT
@cubsbetter
Nah you made the right choice. Goldwater pledged to uphold civil rights act of 1964
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@MattMMPLS
@TheaGuinness
@sjpersonal1
@chefdrewfrancis
@Angry_Staffer
Sure, the actual Southern Strategy was the Democrats ongoing effort to pander to segregationists up until the very end, or as Nixon put it, Democrats “squeezed the last ounce of political juice from the rotting fruit of racial injustice.”
The Left wants us to forget the real Southern Strategy of the Democratic Party:
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@BSSchu66
@TONYxTWO
If you’ve read the text then you know Atwater said this: “[Republicans can]...create a legitimate black middle class and upper middle class. That voter, in my judgment, will be more likely to vote with his economic interest than he will anything else. And that is the voter that I
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@LovesMorons
@B1TuckerCarlson
@AndreCrabtreeIV
@LqLana
No, the south leaned liberal while pushing jim crow
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@plasticcloud13
@BodhisattvaKat
@southernmsgurl
@seamusasfuch
@jerrieskid
Reagan’s 1980 campaign launch was mostly centered around appealing to the black vote. The attempt to paint his brief stop in Mississippi as some kind of indictment of racism more demonstrates the democrats ongoing strategy to grasp for absolutely anything to create red-scare type
The Party Switch Myth claims Reagan's "states' rights" speech was part of a "Southern Strategy."
This allegation was a transparently cynical racial tactic from a desperate campaign, a tactic they subsequently repudiated:
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@BornStrummer
@TruthWins52
@DrSmithPhD
I explained the shift. If you have some point, go ahead and make it
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@MountainDogMa
@mhinson12
@BasedMikeLee
Or, if you’re not talking about the Klan, who’s “southern strategy” are you talking about? The voters’ strategy? No, the politicians’ strategies
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@unStunned
@Far_Left_Logic
@ResisterSis20
Wallace went back to the Democratic Party, as did most segregationist leaders
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@craigwchapman
@ReadTheScore
Your description is the democrats in a nutshell with the party switch myth
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@Kenneybrock
@carolmswain
After you keep striking out with examples, you can imagine why I wouldn’t find your case persuasive
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@mhinson12
@MountainDogMa
@BasedMikeLee
This article doesn’t have any evidence or argument for a Republican southern strategy, and it’s one mention even undermines it:
“even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a “Southern strategy” that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George
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@ODouglas_Stan
So you don’t believe the whole thing of the parties switching ideologies around the ‘60s? It doesn’t seem like anyone doing this trend does
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