rogd_boys_exist
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@sometherapist
This happens frequently in families who have boys who are trans-identified. Mothers who do not suddenly take their son to get a makeover and buy him a bra are abusive. Sisters say that they feel their brothers are trying to "skinwalk" their lives. We get no support, either.
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My son declared he was a non-binary demi-girl during the Covid lockdowns. The categorization was the result of a quiz he took that declared him 80% female. Until this point, he did not have any signs of gender dysphoria. The identity caused the dysphoria.
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Schools, the media, doctors, libraries, etc. tell my son I hate him. I don't believe cross-sex hormones will fix his problems. I want him to grow up with a functional body. I do not believe a male can have a female brain. I'm so tired.
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Did you know?
For many teens, a trans-id seems to be an attempt to avoid growing up. Both boys and girls say that they can't imagine themselves as "men" and "women". They are afraid of puberty because it means they are becoming adults.
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For some reason, girls are viewed as complex emotional creatures while boys are not. In reality, boys are equally complex & seek connection. Many boys & young men take refuge in toxic online communities & are highly susceptible to peer influence.
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Did you know?
1. Transitioning does not improve mental health in trans-id people.
2. The rate of suicide of trans-id people is consistent with the co-morbidities of their other mental health struggles.
3. Suicidality is still very low.
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@gigilarue4
@elonmusk
The pressure to just go along with it is enormous. My son also started his trans ID 5 years ago - right before the shutdowns. Resources were not readily found then. I have a PhD in biochemistry. I could find & understand the research. I saw it was BS. Not many have that training.
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In my son's peer group, 25 of 32 kids were "trans". The rest were "allies". All were involved in the secret GSA club that met during lunch at school.
Yet somehow I am supposed to believe that ROGD does not exist and that boys are immune from social contagion.
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Teenage years are a time of identity development. Joining a clique/group is normal. Past names include jocks, popular kids, Goths, nerds, bands kids etc..
Now we see trans, ADHD, depressed groups.
This is the impact of ideology and social conditioning. It's damaging.
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Did you know?
ROGD boys often have a close female friend (or more than one) who acts as a transition cheerleader. They dress them up like dolls, do their hair and make-up, and buy them clothes (including underwear).
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Did you know?
The Cass report confirms what the rest of us have observed for years: medicalization of people with "gender distress" does not reduce the suicide rate. Mental distress is not solved by disrupting the endocrine system.
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Did you know?
The only available diagnostic protocol for gender dysphoria is a checklist of self-reported symptoms. This results in teens being coached (online, friends, schools, etc.) to achieve a diagnosis resulting in medicalization.
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My son has a serious health issue which would be made life-threatening w/cross-sex hormones. But the specialist he sees will not discuss potential complications, & only printed out the WPATH guidelines for us when I expressed concern.
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@TheFamousArtBR
I understand this is a rhetorical question, but for anyone wondering:
There is no evidence of any male who has a "female" brain, and male brains do not become "female" after taking estrogen. They become brain damaged.
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Did you know?
Many of the parents being demonized as right wing, religious, & ignorant hold advanced degrees in science, medicine, law, etc. Some are gay, some are atheists, and many are democrats.
All are furious.
@DIAGdemocrats
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My son's evidence that he has a girl brain is that he's bad at math & clumsy
His mother has a PhD in Chemistry & was a high school athlete
Somehow I am the misogynist because I refuse to say he is female like her
Make it make sense.
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Did you know?
Many parents of trans-id boys suffer from disenfranchised grief. Our sons suffer & also cause harm. We put down limits, only to have them over-ruled. We need help. "Be kind" isn't help. Our boys need other adults to say no.
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Did you know?
Systematic reviews show a 30% increase in the incidence of stroke, a similar increase in myocardial infarction, and a 220% increase in the incidence of venous thromboembolism (VTE) among males on feminizing hormones.
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"Boys, caught up in a world which talks about toxic masculinity, feel people have decided that they're harmful before they even get started - a psychologically unhealthy way to grow up..."
Could a fear of toxic masculinity lead males to a trans ID?
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Happy Mother's Day to all of the women who would rather be demonized than applaud while their children self destruct. Who will not lie when they are attacked. Who love their children enough to say no.
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Did you know?
Many parents report that their teen sons began to identify as trans after a traumatic life event, such as a loss of a loved one, loss of a friend group, a romantic break up, bullying, assault, or the Covid lockdowns.
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The brains of trans-ID males are observed to change with estrogen "therapy". A high-quality rodent study indicates the mechanism by which these changes occur: glutamate excitotoxicity, a dangerous condition that increases risk of neurological disorders.
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Why did we decide to make a website?
We have been observing our sons, brothers, students, & patients for years - some of us for decades. We had piles of research & experiences with nowhere to put it.
We created a place to document what we discovered:
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For generations, unusually bright & sensitive boys have struggled to fit in. They needed time to find a version of masculinity they could embrace & to make their way in the world.
Now, these boys are told being different means they are not men at all.
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"Gender affirming" care differs from every other type of medical intervention in that there are no acceptable reasons to deny any patient the treatments. Instead, any physical or mental health contraindication is attacked as gatekeeping or transphobia.
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Did you know?
Parents aware of the trans social contagion sweeping girls did not know it could affect their sons. Adults must protect all teens from this ideology. 30% of this new cohort is male, with a similar trajectory to the girls.
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Did you know?
Our group is against the labeling of all trans-ID teen boys as AGP because the term attaches a serious adult fetish to boys who have not yet experienced adult sexuality. This removes nuance and closes treatment pathways.
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Did you know?
Parents struggle to get help for comorbid mental health issues in a trans-id child without having the therapist/ doctor affirm their "gender identity". All of the other problems now take a back seat to medicalizing gender.
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Severe black/white thinking is one trait of young men who identify as trans. Personality disorders with this trait are treated w/Dielectical Behavior Therapy. Only "Gender Identity" is treated by agreeing with the unhealthy thoughts.
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Did you know?
Parents with trans-id teen sons have noticed although their sons often have a high IQ/gifted intellects, their emotional intelligence is extremely low. Many seem to become even more emotionally stunted with the new identity
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Did you know?
"Gender" is an ambiguous idea without a fixed meaning. At best, it describes the way a person feels about their interactions with themselves, other people, and society. It is not a testable condition - it is a belief.
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The relationship with our trans-ID son improved after his 18th birthday & we didn't kick him out. He believed the school/media propaganda that said we would.
The rhetoric saturating these kids destroys their family relationships.
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Did you know?
Studies show no improvement in depression, anxiety, or life satisfaction among males who take estrogen. In fact, elevated levels of estradiol and lower levels of testosterone increase depression among natal males under 60.
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Any skeptical person who has tried to navigate the dystopian nightmare of affirming care knows it is a top down mandate from powerful people. To find out Levine was interfering with WPATH is disappointing, but not surprising.
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Why did we make this website?
The medical field has plenty of evidence that gender medicine hurts people, including men and boys. If individual doctors don't know, it's because they are choosing not to look. The data already exists.
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Support groups for parents with trans-ID teen boys have all types of families with kids enrolled in every type of school: public, private, home-schooled, religious schools. "Gender" has saturated our culture beyond just public schools.
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Did you know?
In males taking estrogen, within six years the incidence of ischemic stroke went up by 30% , and beyond six years, it went up nearly ten times higher. Short term studies are not adequate to show long term complications.
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Did you know?
Sex hormones are not just about how you look & reproduction. Every organ & cell in the body need specific amounts to function properly. The amounts needed are dependent on your sex, which is determined by your chromosomes.
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@Psychgirl211
It's hard to explain the horror of watching your medicalized child's cognitive decline, even if over 18 when we can't stop it. And then to be told that this is evidence that a boy/man's brain is being turned into a female brain is a gut hit from a completely different direction.
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@ChrisFourOhFour
You can't "prove" that trans is an innate identity if you don't have kids who are trans. You can't get sympathy for adults like you can for kids. It's easier to convince children of ridiculous things. It goes on and on, and I quickly find myself in conspiracy theory territory.
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@NeuroSGS
This was one reason I came to understand this as a religious belief. I have had similar conversations with academic colleagues, only to have them get up and walk away during the conversation, stating that it was not productive. They didn't want to hear it or engage in inquiry.
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This is the type of situation we expect to see more frequently as young men on estrogen start to have the long term effects manifest. We care about our sons and the young men in our lives. They do not deserve this medical malpractice.
This is a tragedy. Estrogen in men can trigger or exacerbate autoimmune disorders. This young person has died and no one is connecting the dots. Actor Zoey Alexandria dead at 29: Dead by Daylight voice star has died after suffering from rare brain swelling
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Case studies observe increased immune-mediated rheumatic diseases among males on cross-sex hormones, such as rheumatoid arthritis, spondyloarthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus, vasculitis, & other autoimmune diseases
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Parenting a trans-id teen with siblings comes with more challenges. Families walk a tightrope supporting the teen while protecting the other children from their instability. Family history is erased; some families fall apart completely.
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Sadness and sorrow is correct. Most young men or teen boys I see (and there are many, where I live) are clearly males playing pretend to avoid something deep. I have compassion AND I have years of enforcing boundaries with my own version at home. I won't fawn or pretend.
“You can be angry at these boys for putting on “woman face” if you wish. I can understand that response... But anger is not what I feel. I feel only deep sadness and sorrow. Behind every one of the lost boys, I see a grieving parent.”
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One challenge of parenting a trans-id teen is navigating certain parents of peers. These smug adults interfere in decisions about social transition, school, family relationships, and have even supplied cross-sex hormones.
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Did you know?
Parents are told by the experts that the most important way to help our sons is to maintain a connection. This can become very difficult as our children lose themselves in this cult. Joining a support group can help.
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30% of this population is male. The boys have the same challenges: isolation from peers, self harm, stressful events, etc. Many of them are in the peer groups with the ROGD girls. Some of our affected sons are in romantic relationships with ROGD girls.
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Did you know?
Many male trans-id teens describe a disgust with themselves, a deep self-hatred of who they are as a person, especially as a male person. Transitioning is a way of killing the person they hate without actually dying.
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@jburgo55
@Jaco_v_Z
This is why in order to save our young people, we need to destroy the entire ideology. This pseudo-scientific, quasi-religious social contagion prevents anyone (parent, therapist, doctor, etc.) from getting through to the true believers. It needs to be pulled out from the root.
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Not all parents want their sons to destroy the protection afforded to girls and women. Some of us are fighting against it, but the state will not let us publicly object without threatening our families.
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A BOY is currently ranked as the fastest GIRL 200 runner in Oregon.
This is not fair. Stating this is not transphobic, it is fact. This boy would be ranked near the bottom in Oregon if he ran with the boys.
But it’s much more fun to stand on the top of the podium than not have
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Did you know?
Even though autoimmune diseases are traditionally mostly associated with women, cross-sex hormone treatment (CSHT) has been associated with a host of autoimmune diseases among transgender-identified males.
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We are told that the only way to ensure the health & safety of our kids is to affirm, but we see the decay in our kids' mental & physical health. Having a doctor look you in the eye & lie makes it impossible to trust the medical field.
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Did you know?
Some underage (<18 years) male teens are accessing cross-sex hormones without any medical oversight. Friends, other parents, & even internet strangers help them access unregulated & dangerous online "medications".
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Happy Father's Day to all the dads fighting for their children. Fighting for them to grow up with healthy, functioning bodies. Working toward a world where reality is our guiding star. Protecting their families, even when everyone else is telling them to quit. You are the best!
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Did you know?
Studies show a 7x risk of pancreatitis in people who take cross-sex hormones. The pancreas is a vital gland that connects the endocrine (hormones) system with the exocrine (digestive) system. Acute pancreatitis is deadly.
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Yup it's true. ROGD boys exist.
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One of the first things my son did when he declared his trans identity is to take down all of our family pictures and hide them from me.
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“There are still photos of my children hanging in my entry. If I take them down it will leave a gap, not just on my wall, but in my history. I cannot reconstruct a life without my family…as is my son’s reconstruction of his childhood as a girl.”
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@AWarriorMom
@APA
@pittparents
@AARP
And purposely misunderstood.
"Oh, he wishes his child was DEAD!"
No, he's pointing out that he's expected to treat his SON like he never existed, and pretend that he has a daughter, which he doesn't believe, and he's told talking about his son is deadnaming.
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We depend on experts to help us make decisions in a complicated society. But what happens when the experts are corrupted? Parents of trans-ID kids face this every day, as does everyone else fighting this anti-reality behemoth. We must become the experts.
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Did you know?
Many parents of trans-id teens are physically afraid of their children. These teens can get violent as their mental state becomes increasingly unstable, putting the rest of the family at risk. Affirming them does not help.
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Did you know?
Interoception: a term describing awareness of internal body systems. Parents describe a lack of interoception in their trans-ID sons (e.g. confusing anger w/ hunger, sadness w/ illness, etc.) This is also common w/ autism.
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Pharmaceutical companies have already been caught concealing product harm. For example, Vioxx, a pain medication, was pulled with a $5 billion settlement due to a 34% increase in cardiovascular events.
After estrogen therapy, males have a 1000% increase in similar risks.
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The elephant in the room for many parents of
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is autogynephilia. Desperate for an explanation, parents have searched and can find no evidence in some boys. Instead, these teens seem traumatized by sexuality, and are fleeing it completely.
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Did you know?
Many people exhibit magical thinking when it comes to "gender" medicalization. Many believe that boys taking cross-sex hormones and blockers will be turned into female humans. This is not true. You cannot change your sex.
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@SummerYuleRDN
Exactly. I think many people remember growing up in the 80's & 90's and playing around with gender non-conformity & sexuality, & view it as a way of figuring yourself out. The entire difference is now the medical profession has stepped in and is permanently altering bodies.
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Siblings are often forgotten by those of us talking about this social contagion. When trans hits a family, it affects every member. Siblings are especially vulnerable.
“My advice to those of you who are newer on this journey: protect the siblings in the shadows. In the shadows of this war, we forget siblings. They’re often caught in the crossfire between desperate parents and misguided, indoctrinated children.”
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@JanuaryDoNoHarm
We know more than these doctors will admit. Anyone with the ability to read scientific articles can learn about the effects of sex hormones on a wide range of biological functions and organs. Search for "testosterone" and any organ in pubmed, for example.
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Did you know?
14% of transgender-identified and 17% of nonbinary adults over the age of 45 in the US reported subjective cognitive decline compared with 10% for non-transgender-identifying men and women.
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Did you know?
Evidence of both emotional and behavior social contagions through social networks has been documented. One risk factor for a social contagion is deindividuation, or the loss of self awareness when identifying with a group.
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@Psychgirl211
We have several members whose sons have medicalized. Many of us have seen our sons, who were high achieving, gifted students, drop out of school & end up working menial jobs. We've also noticed a significant decrease in reasoning skills and an inability to concentrate.
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Boys and men are experiencing a crisis of connection.
Could this crisis of connection and inability to see a way to maintain their soft side as a man lead boys to a trans ID?
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@gigilarue4
@elonmusk
@CHLAKidSafety
@UCLAHealth
@4th_WaveNow
Definitely. I was referred to similar "resources" in my state. I found
@4th_waveNow
after a week of doing nothing but backtrack through the citations provided by the AAP and the Endocrine Society. I started looking for other groups who saw this for what it was: pseudoscience.
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@dellavaris
It's not about blame. At all. It's about the social contagion and how it is transmitted through groups of teens.
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Overall, the rate of trans-ID teen boys has increased by 1600%. Currently, 30% of teens who suddenly say they are trans are male. Studies show that boys can be more susceptible to peer contagion, based on past reform school research.
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@benryanwriter
@JonHaidt
I know there's a lot of focus on the girls transitioning, but at my kid's high school, it was almost exclusively boys. Two within their close friend group. And it was a very small high school. One of these kids I've known since he was 7.
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In our group we have several members with backgrounds in scientific research. We have read hundreds of papers over the years trying to understand the science supporting "gender", and we kept finding flaws such as those described here.
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This report criticises Cass because:
"Of note, Tordoff et al was excluded due to scoring low on the authors’ adapted NOS. However, this study shows statistically significant reductions in depression and suicidality"
So I had a look:
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Did you know?
Many parents started questioning the gender movement after initially affirming their children on the orders of a doctor and watching them get physically and mentally worse as a result.
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Many parents go through this on a smaller scale. We have several parents in our group who have dealt with government bodies when refusing to transition their boys. Many of us cannot go public.
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NEW (from yours truly):
My column today is about the exhausting hassles family courts put parents through when they dare to push back against the transgender industry. In this article, I write about Ted Hudacko's ongoing case. 1/4
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Did you know?
Many boys coming of age today struggle to develop a positive view of themselves as men and for this reason may take flight into a transgender identity. They seem to believe it would be easier to be a girl than a failed boy.
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Did you know?
ROGD boys may be influenced by online pornography, but often display a marked lack of interest in, and even a distaste for, sexuality and their own bodies. Others struggle with internalized homophobia.
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Teens are not only self-diagnosing as trans, but also a wide variety of other ailments. Autism, ADHD, DID, OCD, tourettes...the list goes on and on. Many of them develop symptoms that would support these diagnoses and get dr's to medicalize for them.
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Did you know?
The commonly used "41% of trans youth have attempted suicide" statistic was based on a survey with significant irregularities. In reality, suicide is very rare for trans-identified people.
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Gender dysphoria is not diagnosable beyond self-reporting. It is not scientific. It is not medicine. It is a scandal of epic proportions. Why did my family have to flee our home & move across the country to escape a made up condition?
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Members of
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are seeking more nuanced explanations of why teen boys are being encouraged and enabled to think they are actually girls. We do not deny sexual gratification could motivate them. We want real help before they self destruct.
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A common theme discussed among parents with trans-ID teens is the rewriting of family history and demanding changes to memories. The result is that the family has no shared history that can be used to maintain ties or strengthen bonds.
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Did you know?
There is no consistent screening process to determine which teens will benefit from cross sex hormones, and which will be harmed. There is no therapy requirement. Traditional medical ethics are not applied to these cases.
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Nuremberg Code
#5
: No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur
Once a trans-id boy is medicalized his mortality risk is 80% higher than non-medicalized males.
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@Psychgirl211
Sometimes it's difficult to determine what part is medicalization, and how much is simply obsessive rumination of identity which overtakes everything else. In my case, I feel like there is some type of induced psychosis, because he is so disconnected from reality.
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Did you know?
Exploratory therapists, teachers & parents have noticed that many boys coming of age today struggle to develop a positive view of themselves as men and for this reason may take flight into a transgender identity.
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@elonmusk
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A familiar technique in current discourse:
The logical fallacy called "Appeal To Authority" occurs when someone dismisses an argument/claim not based on the actual merits of the argument/evidence, but on the perceived authority/credentials of the person making the argument.
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@KDansky
@POTUS
It's ironic that many of us gender atheist parents are logical thinkers in law, STEM, etc. & also more likely to have a kid caught up in this (family propensity for autism, rumination, OCD, etc.) It takes time to realize we are fighting a web of incoherence that rejects logic.
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The serious health effects of low testosterone in males is well documented.
Why, then, are doctors pretending that these effects are unknown or unimportant in trans-ID males?
Gender "medicine" is not about health.
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My first exposure to trans was my best friend growing up. I met her in 1985, and we are still friends. Her father was a classic AGP adult male, and every year he escalated a little more. This has affected her entire life.
Welcoming
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, talking about growing up with an AGP dad, the importance of safeguarding children, the misinformation around chestfeeding, and her hope that autogynephilia is treatable.
@stellaomalley3
@sashalpc
@TherapyFirstOrg
@genspect
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Did you know?
Nearly 25% of MtF surgical patients at one surgical center accessed care for complications or pain in the first 3 years. 61.3% were seen for more than one visit and presented with more than two symptoms or concerns.
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@SummerYuleRDN
This happened to us. In front of us. We never went back to that doctor. Or the next one. It happened multiple times, and I don't know if that damage can be undone. I know I will never leave my youngest child alone with any doctor. My trust in the profession is now -100%
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@JanuaryDoNoHarm
@libsoftiktok
@ConceptualJames
@Moms4Liberty
Part of the problem is that keeping your own child off social media is not enough. If all of the children around them, or even a large minority of them, are allowed access to social media, all children will still be exposed.
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ROGD boys have always been quirky & sensitive. They reportedly had difficulty fitting in with their peer group from an early age, experiencing intense social anxiety and isolation.
After they say they are trans, they are celebrated.
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Covid lockdowns did not help with the addiction to screen time. In fact, in some cases, it seems to have started the problem.
Trans-identified and gender-questioning adolescents engage in significantly more recreational screen time and exhibit higher rates of problematic screen use compared to their peers.
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A thought experiment:
2 people, both XY. Both claim to have female gender identities. One believes he is telling the truth; one knows he is lying. How does a doctor tell them apart? Gender identity: unfalsifiable & unscientific.
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Many thoughtful people are skeptical about the trans indoctrination, but they are afraid to push back. It only takes one bully to terrorize an entire school, workplace, community, or family. We must empower those around us to speak up.
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