@jgorman2424 @sjsimmons @BubbasRanch @PushFourLeft @MLeiter42 @jimdtweet @ChrisBBacon3 @ammocrypta @Kenneth72712993 @patfrank830 @dafalgoutDennis @craigthomler @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @Michael_D_Crow @jgatta06 @JJ9621073059835 @WHPAAD @priscian @LexWaters7 @CDCollins5269 @BobPartridge16 @phlannelphysics @TrixX306 @BenKoby1911 @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @ClimateRetorts @WayneAllanH @RobertWager1 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @kevpluck @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ilovekiirth @IBergwiesel @jpgcrowley @NoelTurner194 @TheDickKnightV2 “Averaging out is not a mathematically defined operation.” The ignorance that must be behind this statement truly astounds.

@priscian @MLeiter42 @sjsimmons @jgatta06 @LexWaters7 @TrixX306 @Kenneth72712993 @DoneDidItMate @PushFourLeft @phlannelphysics @Mark_A_Lunn @jimdtweet @Michael_D_Crow @dafalgoutDennis @JJ9621073059835 @WHPAAD @BubbasRanch @jgorman2424 @patfrank830 @CDCollins5269 @BobPartridge16 @ChrisBBacon3 @craigthomler @BenKoby1911 @JamesAbbott2013 @ClimateRetorts @WayneAllanH @RobertWager1 @TypicalDeviant @FreeSpeech4U_Me @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @kevpluck @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ilovekiirth @IBergwiesel @jpgcrowley @NoelTurner194 @TheDickKnightV2 Very much appreciated.

@priscian @MLeiter42 @sjsimmons @jgatta06 @LexWaters7 @TrixX306 @Kenneth72712993 @DoneDidItMate @PushFourLeft @phlannelphysics @Mark_A_Lunn @jimdtweet @Michael_D_Crow @dafalgoutDennis @JJ9621073059835 @WHPAAD @BubbasRanch @jgorman2424 @patfrank830 @CDCollins5269 @BobPartridge16 @ChrisBBacon3 @craigthomler @BenKoby1911 @JamesAbbott2013 @ClimateRetorts @WayneAllanH @RobertWager1 @TypicalDeviant @FreeSpeech4U_Me @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @kevpluck @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ilovekiirth @IBergwiesel @jpgcrowley @NoelTurner194 @TheDickKnightV2 Jim - I hate to ask, but Mike decided to take his ball and run home. He blocked me. If you could take a screenshot of the image below and post it to him, it would be appreciated. If not, then no worries. Tell him if he wants to put his big-boy pants back on then we can continue.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "Should I just stop trying to enlighten you?" Why don't you find one textbook that supports your claims? Why don't you do the entropy calculation?

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "THE SOURCE AND TARGET ARE UNIFORM TEMPERATURES" Also not a requirement for the second law to hold. The second law is used to analyze systems with non-uniform temperature all the time. It dictates that heat can only flow with a non-uniform temperature and only from hot to cold

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 Concentration is irrelevant. Reversible optics have no effect on the entropy of a system. The second law applies to ALL closed systems. You are making up your own fizziks Mike. It makes no difference how many lens or mirrors are in the system. The 2nd law still applies.

@MLeiter42 @sjsimmons @BubbasRanch @jimdtweet @Kenneth72712993 @patfrank830 @dafalgoutDennis @craigthomler @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @Michael_D_Crow @jgorman2424 @jgatta06 @JJ9621073059835 @WHPAAD @priscian @LexWaters7 @CDCollins5269 @BobPartridge16 @PushFourLeft @phlannelphysics @TrixX306 @ChrisBBacon3 @BenKoby1911 @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @ClimateRetorts @WayneAllanH @RobertWager1 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @kevpluck @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ilovekiirth @IBergwiesel @jpgcrowley @NoelTurner194 @TheDickKnightV2 You are denying that the second law dictates that heat transfer can only occur if there is a temperature difference. You're the simpleton Mike.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "or claim that total entropy decreases?" When you have the spot have heat transfer to the spot when there is nothing else in the system at a higher temperature.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "I'm not arguing against the 2nd law at all." Yes you are. You are claiming that the spot can get hotter when there is nothing in the system that is hotter than it. That violates the second law.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "The problem is that you don't understand how the 2nd law works." Of course I do. The 2nd law dictates that heat can only flow if there is a temperature difference and always from hot to cold.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "I have 100% proven that stance was wrong." Nope. You have not proven that the second law of thermodynamics is wrong Mike. So many cranks thought they did, so you're not alone.

@MLeiter42 @sjsimmons @BubbasRanch @jimdtweet @Kenneth72712993 @patfrank830 @dafalgoutDennis @craigthomler @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @Michael_D_Crow @jgorman2424 @jgatta06 @JJ9621073059835 @WHPAAD @priscian @LexWaters7 @CDCollins5269 @BobPartridge16 @PushFourLeft @phlannelphysics @TrixX306 @ChrisBBacon3 @BenKoby1911 @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @ClimateRetorts @WayneAllanH @RobertWager1 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @kevpluck @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ilovekiirth @IBergwiesel @jpgcrowley @NoelTurner194 @TheDickKnightV2 "I've already discovered the exception you seem to agree with" Nope. You haven't. The second law is KING. You can't make a target hotter than the source. There is no way to transfer heat to the spot when there is nothing hotter in the system. This is basic thermodynamics.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 Not a single perfectly columnated source listed Mike.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 You're the one who is wrong Mike. None of those are perfectly columnated light sources. You really are pathetic. If the second law could so easily be violated with these sources then that would have been demonstrated long ago.

@MLeiter42 @sjsimmons @BubbasRanch @jimdtweet @Kenneth72712993 @patfrank830 @dafalgoutDennis @craigthomler @Devonian1342 @TypicalDeviant @Michael_D_Crow @jgorman2424 @jgatta06 @JJ9621073059835 @WHPAAD @priscian @LexWaters7 @CDCollins5269 @BobPartridge16 @PushFourLeft @phlannelphysics @TrixX306 @ChrisBBacon3 @BenKoby1911 @Mark_A_Lunn @JamesAbbott2013 @ClimateRetorts @WayneAllanH @RobertWager1 @FreeSpeech4U_Me @hannon_renee @RixAutomatedMat @DaleGribble_666 @GeorgeJeff9804 @roger_clague @kevpluck @GillesnFio @Joe_Public2018 @ClimatePoet @EthonRaptor @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ilovekiirth @IBergwiesel @jpgcrowley @NoelTurner194 @TheDickKnightV2 I was right in the ALR discussion and I am right in this discussion. Your "logic" was flawed in the ALR discussion, and it is again flawed in this discussion. It's pretty clear which one of us understands scientific logic and which one does not.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 I have explained countless times. You claim that heat flows to the spot when there is nothing in the system that is hotter than the spot. That violates the second law.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 There are no natural sources of perfectly columnated light. You are wrong Mike and you are grasping at straws.

@MLeiter42 @GeorgeJeff9804 @dafalgoutDennis @WayneAllanH @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @BubbasRanch @LexWaters7 @jimdtweet @craigthomler @jgatta06 @PushFourLeft @BenKoby1911 @EthonRaptor @RixAutomatedMat @FreeSpeech4U_Me @dantrimont @Quentin__France @PoeBrianL @ChrisBBacon3 @JamesAbbott2013 @phlannelphysics @priscian @TrixX306 @Mark_A_Lunn @ilovekiirth @Devonian1342 @GillesnFio @IBergwiesel @DaleGribble_666 @roger_clague @jpgcrowley @BobPartridge16 @NoelTurner194 @CDCollins5269 @jgorman2424 @TheDickKnightV2 @aSinister @gmarkul @agentsinaction @d_e_mol @AndryGiles @NewNormality20 @9luckycrater09 "Absolutely, positively, no violation of the 2nd law." Yes, it is a violation of the second law to claim that the target can increase in temperature when there is no other location in the system with a higher temperature. This is basic thermodynamics and heat transfer.