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The higher dimensionality of the Garganta 黒腔 Thread 🧵-
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Debunking this horrible thread that shouldn't even be called a debunk 🤢🧵
Debunking the repulsive idea that the Bleach verse is anywhere close to light speed
(A thread 🧵)
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@grognack2000
I had idea this wasn't accepted, TS was compared to mugetsu by yhwach if I remember correctly
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Just because something isn't said doesn't mean it isn't true that's an appeal from ignorance, that's like saying there's never been a statement of Whis destroying a galaxy when there's evidence of him capable of doing so, this point is irrelevant.
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You're bringing up ichigo taking 9 hours as if he wasn't in base form going that speed so he wasnt even going at his full capacity and we later then see him blitz a character who was able to dodge the auswählen, are we also forgetting combat speed≠travel speed?
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Now allow me to provide consistent scans of bleach characters moving light speed, I'll first be going over uyru moving faster than his shadow, a character at this point they've been surpassed lol
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This thread then proceeds to use sonido as an example since the name means sounds, this is a false equalivent fallacy as I explained earlier the names for these lights has nothing to do with light, no one with an actual brain would say sondio is speed of sound because of its name
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How is calling something what it is a nominal fallacy, the names of these said lights have nothing to do with light, Cero means Zero and negacion means Denial, a nominal Fallacy would have to do with the name which again has NOTHING to do with Light
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The misconception of Muken and why it truly is infinte in size-thread🧵
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"The moment smthg moves ftl it can't be classified as ls this is illogical" appeal to reality and it's ironic he brings up OP where they have Kizaru admitting his light FTL and it's still being called light, something moving ftl while being light doesn't negate it being ftl...
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The fact that it's 2024 and people still use gin clap at Mach 500, he never says sound AT ALL in that panel and him saying as fast doesn't automatically mean slower when it could be either or regardless, he was implying the blade moves faster than him
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We then have Gremmy creating the void of outerspace instantly using his reiatsu which has been shown to scale to speed within bleach, for the sake of this argument I'll lowball this to just galaxy size and say he did it, the ss below will show u how fast this feat is
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U 1st say they can't move at LS then say they can't handle light movement implying they've reached it and can't handle it,which is it? Not being able to survive space has nothing to do with speed,we've seen Goku at mftl and still can't survive space like what even is this point?
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Anyone who believes the Bleach realms are planetary breakdown and explain to me why and diagram of how it looks
@Shawn253059311
Yeah. Pretty much anyone calling her Multiversal doesn’t understand Bleach lore or cosmology.
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@crestabel_
It's only like this on Twitter and some discord servers, every where else it's common knowledge that ichigo wins
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The screenshots of her answering the questions about lightspeed ceros in dm presented in Clyde's video seem to be fake
海外のBLEACHファンの間で、私がBLEACHに関する質問に答えているDMの画像が出回っているらしいのですが、私は何も答えていません。私がBLEACHの質問に答えることは、これまでもこれからも一切ありません。だからもう質問送ってこないでね！ ただ、小説版の感想を添えてくれた人はありがとうね！
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@blackvoiice
@CookeDelivery
Not really idk how ur misinterpreting it she just saying Bleach reaches LS not cap at LS and that kubo confirmed ceros are LS. By saying Bleach caps at LS ur saying Ichigo never gets faster from the 1st arc and dismissing multiplers that increase cero speed on multiple occasions
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Could showcase plenty of more light speed feats, but I know I got my point across special thx to
@noonXverX
for some of the provided scans, and if any of you want to debate me on this join this server or we can set it up in space lol.
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"Bleach fans exposed" it has been trending b4 this game post was even up and is asking fans to participate to win something this isn't the reason why it's been trending for days when it was posted on 9/29 & the purpose of it wasn't to get Bleach trending
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@Kiwiko123
1. Showed the literal novel of it stating gremmy created it
2.Gaara and rock lee is irrelevant to this
3. Show me where it's stated Mach 500
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This is the guy who knows bleach physics btw
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@blackvoiice
@CookeDelivery
Also considering the fact that a cero speed varies as the amount of reiatsu/reiryoku determines a how fast and strong someone is within Bleach. A regular hollow cero ≠ a cero fired from a high ranked espada. Base ceros are lightspeed minimum.
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WOL/SS have been depicted than more than a planet plenty of times are parallel worlds from each other, where in the manga & SAFWY novel they refer to the WOL as an universe/macrocosm, stating other celestial bodies being apart of the realm as well as the anime showcasing galaxies
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In this thread, I'll briefly be going over the dimensionality of the Bleach realms and the nature of the Garganta
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The garganta is a dimension that holds all the bleach realms within the series, the main ones being World of the Living(WOL)
Soul Society(SS) & Hueco Mundo(HM)
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Dondochakka within the Maskedbook 2 databook states he's able to connect to a 4Dspace & questions how he's able to do so, along with SAFWY saying he connects to a different/other dimensional space, this is different from a 4D spacetime as it's composed of 3 spatial & 1 temporal D
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@Kiwiko123
Saying it again doesn't prove that it's mach 500, again provide the scan of it saying gins blade is mach 500 and I'll concede nor is "lmao" a debunk, if u admitted he created outerspace and there's a galaxy he did just tht
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異次元空間 can also translate to extradimensional space, due the context using "四次元空間" 4th dimensional space, the other/different dimensional space refers to another spatial dimension from the 3 spatial dimensions that we know, however it's confirmed a 4D space
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@SenninEnergy
He literally fought koga a hypnosis type character he definitely has stuff against genjutsu
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belong to the original work to make sure they say the correct dialogue to pertain to the story
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Each of these realms have their own space/time axis, thus showing casing that these realms are 4D spacetimes, as a universe is composed of one time axis to represent the temporal dimension, this arc has not only been referenced in novels but kubo also approves/checks characters-
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The Garganta is stated infinite in size as it uses the kanji 無限 to describe said realm because the garganta is infinitely bigger than an infinite 4D spacetime it brings it to a higher dimension. I explain why the muken is infinite in this thread here
The misconception of Muken and why it truly is infinte in size-thread🧵
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Aside from the realms I mentioned, Dangai,Kyogoku, Hell and every dimension have been depicted to exist all within the Garganta, it's important to keep note of this as I highlight another dimension existing in the Bleachverse
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@Kiwiko123
Why does it need to mention that it has stars if it's shown visually? He didn't create a supernova because he didn't want too? How is him using clones change the fact that he created a galaxy, if he didn't create a galaxy then what is this? Kinda sounds like cope rn ngl...
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To make it clearer incase your are confused a 4D space≠4D spacetime, a 4D space is just the 4 spatial dimensions, whereas a 4D spacetime is just 3 spatial dimensions+ 1 temporal, the picture below showcases the difference between the 2
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We have mid tier characters casually dodging light from a sun, which is stated to be a star on numerous occasions and is compared to the world of the living sun, which emits literal light, Aaroniero in this example
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Some use the dangai to showcase why the Garganta fits this criteria due to 亜空間 being used which translates to hyperspace/subspace, but within the context of Bleach, subspace fits the criteria more as it's a space within another space and never mentions an extra spatial-D
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I'm not opposed to the dangai being a HS, I just believe it's more likely to be a subspace which is why I didn't use this argument in this thread, if you're willing to discussion/debate me about this u can dm but that concludes the thread for the dimensionality of the Garganta.
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Often, a dimension show cased to hold universes,space-time contiuums,or different timelines within fiction is depicted as a higher-dimensional space. However, I felt as if this alone wouldn't be enough to call the Garganta this as there should be more evidence than just that
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@HokageNiNaruuu
I remember deciding to pick up the manga a while back , I like the direction boruto is going in, it's one of my favorite newer gen shonen series I can't lie
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@Kiwiko123
1. There's a visible galaxy which I lowballed to just one galaxy alone, which he created...again
2. Prove that it's wrong
3. Prove Gins clap was moving at the speed of sound
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To see why this would result in a higher dimension, the screenshots below explain it mathematically
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@__Aizensama__
It's so much proof yet downplayers act oblivious to it or hella skeptic even tho it's consistently shown to be more a planet
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@HillLevelIchigo
Actual Bleach arguments:
Different spacetimes
Characters refer to them as a universe
Multiple infinite statements
Universal flow statements
Ur coping hard rn but it's typical coming from u 💀
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@__Aizensama__
@BigGatto420
@TenseiS6
Mistranslation it said world they never used universe for these dimensions
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@_Davs_X
@wetttspaghetti
@SenninEnergy
@maryannuzuraki
@R1Havoc
Like I said soul king created a 4D space, based on that alone he has 4D ap/dc since he created 3 realms that mirror each other,the 2nd pic shows the soul king creating the worlds showing they're all equal in size
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@vortexo0
That's a foul for that reach, u really sat here and thought the #'s for a GAME was to make Bleach trending when it was already passed 100k few days ago, all the posts in ur tweet is also paired up with the game they do this with every anime collab, Just them tryna win something
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This is important to note as it can change the whole meaning of a sentence, example in the English language if I were to word a sentence where I say "I like eating dogs and art" one would assume that I eat dogs/art due no comma usage compared to "I like eating, dogs, and art"-
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The biggest misconception that I've seen is from this databook right here. It has been mistranslated too that it makes u think that it's an infinite space when this has never been the case. It has been mistranslated this way due to people trying to put the sentence in conjuction
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We are first introduced to the muken in chapter 423 of Bleach when Aizen received his sentenced for the crimes he committed, then later its shown what the muken is in chapter 523 right before unohana and kenpachi have their final battle
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@grognack2000
@Sh1n1gam1_2022
It's been stated ANOTHER dimension lol they're being disingenuous on purpose
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In the original writing of said chapter it's stated that it is infinte in size however viz decided to go translate that it is "almost" infinte which is not the case seeing how the kanji for equal is used,
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the Japanese comma " 、" called 読点 (tōten), more info on the first pic below. As it is similar to the English comma there are some differences being that the Japanese structure is SOV(subject,object,verb) and English SVO, when this is used it breaks apart the sentence.
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The last few scans I will provided is in the TYBW anime which Kubo supervises, along with novel calling infinte as well, which kubo also oversees. It consistently shows that the Muken is indeed infinte in size and should no longer be debated about as its clear it's Author intent.
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@NoodlesKage
Not even stronger than the top tiers of Bleach and since when is boruto apart of the big 3?
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@NinjaRizer
You made valid points for sure this is a great thread, anyone who makes these arguments clearly didn't read/understand bleach so I'm not surprised Deathbattle did this, its the fact ppl still watch their videos after their horrendous scaling/takes and take it seriously.
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@HillLevelIchigo
"Murked" u literally ran then go back to @ me once other ppl realize how shit of an attempt of the debunk was 😭. We can VC, I'm not gonna make a whole thread when I destroyed u within a few replies kid
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@Kiwiko123
A supernova is irrelevant, That's like saying why didn't gremmy imagine him drowning, posing a hypothetical doesn't prove ur argument that it isn't a galaxy especially knowing the fact a galaxy is larger than a supernova lol, I can't lose an argument while ur using an ATI fallacy
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Which gives a whole new meaning and a more accurate explanation of what you are trying to say. However as said previously in Japanese it breaks away from the sentence. Now knowing how the tōten works putting this in a translation says that the vastness FEELS like an illusion.
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@its_JustBrian
The scan I showed is referring to a spiritual light, since when are kyogoku dimensions formed by SOULS physical? Ur actually slow and don't know Bleach fr no wonder ur so skeptic, u don't even know what you're talking about 💀
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@eppic6900
@WuYella
Wym not really? That's not where TS ichigo scales at all I wanted to see what he had to say since he still thinks bleach realms r planetary 💀
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@__Aizensama__
@its_JustBrian
He's a skeptic lol, he's just one of them. I showed the scan of spiritual light being compared to the WOL sunlight where they mention photons. His rebuttal is that it has mass but just the day b4 he said certain ceros are ftl despite having mass
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@justmeight
@yeahyukki
Dragon ball will always be the face anime not one piece, the face of manga sales sure but not anime
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