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If this represents another non uthmanic codex, it might be big
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Fascinating paper
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A new book by Shady Nasser
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This article is finally out and it does seems that Al Jallad agrees with the idea that the Al Rahim part of the basmallah was the Islamic innovation.
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I am reading this new excellent paper of Ehsan Roohi about the early battles/raids of the prophet Muhammad and it is really fascinating.
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Excellent interview, his point about inscriptions only giving you a superficial view is of extreme importance, I am really excited about his upcoming paper about an inscription by a companion of the Prophet.
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I want more Muslim shcolars including even theologians who engage in historical critical scholarship who can help use what is useful for us as Muslims while also responding to some of the relationship in there.
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Interesting upcoming title
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The sheer amount of Islamic inscriptions from the first/seventh century is mind boggling.
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I havent read this yet but it seems fascinating.
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I just realized but it is really ironic that Professor Reynolds's interview with Shoemaker critiquing the traditional story came out the same day Professor Al Jallad gave a lecture talking about inscriptions supporting the traditional birthplace of Islam and the Quran.
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@NaokiQYamamoto
There is something to be said about how disconnected the average Muslim scholar is from the youth's daily lives
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I have been reading Hussain's dissertation about wisdom in the Quran and he points out something very interesting, the list of miracles ascribed to Jesus in 3:49 seems to reflect the cycle of the human existence in the Quran.
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I can't stop thinking about how exciting now that it is likely that the Abd Shams inscription in Tabuk is probably by the same Meccan man mentioned in our traditional sources.
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Paul Neuenkirchen's french thesis on Quranic escathalogy and its links with Syriac texts is available for free here The thing is +600 pages long.
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How often do pagan gods appear in Arabic pre Islamic poetry ?
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Why do scholars still praise the work of a hack pseudo scholar idiot like Luxenberg in 2023.
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This seems like a good article
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There are greek inscriptions in Volubilis, morroco mentioning two Arabian gods from the third century. This stuff is amazing.
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This rubs me the wrong way for some reason, like aren't scholars still struggling in how to study and use the giant corpus or should I say series of corpuses that is the Islamic tradition.
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Is this the first pre modern proof of Buddhism/Hinduism in Africa ? If so that is extremely fascinating.
My latest piece
@nybooks
talks about the discovery at the Red Sea port of Berenike of the first Buddha ever found in Egypt and what this tells us about the importance of the massive sea trade between India & Roman Alexandria
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I wonder just how many revisionist narratives were made about early Islam due to the lack of access to Mecca and Medina, one notable example that was prominent just few months ago was the presence or lack of presence of agriculture and plants mentioned in the Quran in Mecca.
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While I like fusha as much as much as anybody. I think the modern Arabic dialects should be given some love as well.
What language opinion gets you this reaction?
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Fascinating work
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The objects of the oaths in early meccan surahs. Fascinating subject.
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This upcoming book seems really interesting
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Nicolai Sinai and Angelika Neuwirth's scholarship is wonderful and so pleasant to read.
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I wish Sinai and Neuwirth and others released a Quranic commentary like that Le Coran des historiens especially since they have models for the data than the latter scholars.
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@brethrenfpurity
In this paper, Hawting explores the different narrations about the pre islamic arab prophets and he concludes that they are all likely not anything historical.
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I am curious if anyone can read some verses and tell us if it is uthmanic or not
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@foucaultyen
Here is an proposed way to read it as a non interpolation
In his introductory book on the Qur’an, Nicolai Sinai (right after doubling down on his criticism of Shoemaker suggested post-prophetic interpolations) presents a case for Q3:7 (the most self-referential of verses) to be a post-prophetic interpolation:
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I really love the work of Walid Saleh on the Quran, highly illumanating with an aggressive but fascinating writing style, I also really like how he makes the Quran feel alive.
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Very cool presentation
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Creation from clay, gaining hearing and other senses, being revived after death and finally being judged and told what the human was doing.
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I have been rereading this paper and I have been thinking about Al Jallad's suggestion that Arabian Aramaic could have simply worked as a sort of filter for later Aramaic loanwords including later monotheistic terms ?
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Lots of food for thought with this introduction, I do find it annoying how hard it is sometimes to find research on early Islamic north Africa but I didn't know it was this bad.
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@brethrenfpurity
The Lyon laboratory has been pointed out by people like Sidky and Van Putten as an outlier and otherwise when calibrated and put together the other results are consistent according to sidky iirc
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Wow, this could be our first inscription that mentions a pagan name in terms of lineage, although it's othography is unlike the Quran's.
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If you are going to depict an irl religion in your work you better do it fairly and accurately and avoid reducing it to caricatures even if you don't like that religion.
What literary opinion do you have that results in this?
Mine: We should stop picking on H. P. Lovecraft
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I was looking the poetry that Lindstelt argued to belong a medinan christian and it is interesting for various reasons, one of them is how it seems to echoes wording and themes of the quran. For example verse 1 you have Q20:130, for verse 2 you have multiple quranic verses like
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I keep thinking about the tradition about how the Qurayshites didn't like the Basmallah that contains the divine name Al Rahman in the huddaybiya treaty and liked to use their own Bismika Allahuma basmallah instead.
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This is random but I wish there was a manga/anime that seriously treats Islamic or Christian theology related subjects instead of just caricatures.
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Amazing article, I wonder if there has been any other attempts to identify some of poetry attributed to earlier Islamic periods as authentic such as that of Hasan Ibn Thabit.
New article alert!
A 7th-century Armenian source refers to an Islamic military campaign against Constantinople as early as 33-4/654. is this impossibly early??
@ClassyArabic
offers new readings of Arabic poetry to support the claim of such a campaign before Muʿāwiya's reign
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I really don't understand the victimization feeling that revisionists like Shoemaker, Dye and co seem to have.
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@DanielABeck9
I don't remember much but I will try my best, okay so basically all of the Hijaz even the Mecca region only have generic monotheistic inscriptions, but they do seem to attest to the continuation of pagan names like And Shams or Abd Al Uzza.
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I am curious if some hadiths can be said to be earlier/authentic if they contained south Arabian terms or something.
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Fellow muslims what would you say is your favorite aspect in the Quran and why ?
Mine is probably prophetology, I love how we get to learn about the prophet Muhammad and his experiences with God plus I feel like the aspect of prophetology in the Quran isn't appreciated enough.
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An important observation made by Peter Webb is that the verse 28:27 shows that pilgrimage was common and important enough in the Quranic milieu for the Arabic term Hajj to become a way to refer to years.
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Pre Islamic and early Islamic Arabic poetry is so damn rich as a source alongside being really cool. I wish my teachers in middle school and high school were more enthusiastic on the subject.
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The heck am I reading, this guy is arguing that the mission of Muhammad was to establish a moderate Manichaeism ?!
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@nubianscribes
While I am not a quranist myself, I find the concept of low prophetology really attractive for me, it allows me to connect with and understand the prophet as a fellow human with emotions and psyche if that makes sense.
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Fellow muslims, what are in your opinion the best arguments for the prophet being the author of the Quran instead of it being the work of multiple authors in your opinion?
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Are there judeo christian parallels to the contents of Solomon's letter to the queen of Sheba in the Quran ?
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I wonder if najranite and Ethiopic Christianities would make for better comparison counterparts with Quranic theology than Syriac Christianity
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@IslamicOrigins
There is one inscription that I think it will interest you, it seems to be mentioning a minor event in Umar's rule that is reported in Hadith. The imprisonment of Abu Mas3ud or something. Check this for more details
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@foucaultyen
My own speculation is that poor people who might have wanted to read the quran but couldn't get a full copy probably settled on stuff like this.
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This has come out
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@Rurouni_Phoenix
The title being used for Yemeni rulers is allegedly attested in a pre Islamic poem but that doesn't really much of a bearing on the identity of the figure in the Quran which is clearly Alexander, I personally wish the topic was closed by this point tbh
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@DerMenschensohn
This conference that is you can register for is happening today, it will have Al Jallad presenting his work near Mecca again.
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@brethrenfpurity
It is nonsensical to say that Yemeni authorities stopped people from studying them, you have Behnam Sadeghi directly attacking such a rhetoric in his two papers about the manuscript
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It is somewhat mysterious how we have stone inscriptions from just before Islam and just right after the prophet's death in the era of Uthman, the key period still evades us. Did the early community stay confined and hidden in Medina/Mecca without writing much outside them ?
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Interesting to see that the name Haman actually existed in Arabia
@DerMenschensohn
هامان في صخور نجران🔥
{وَقَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ يَٰهَٰمَٰنُ ٱبْنِ لِي صَرْحًا لَّعَلِّىٓ أَبْلُغُ ٱلْأَسْبَٰبَ}.
ومازالت نقوش نجران تُبهرنا بمخزونها الأثري الضخم القَيّم الذي لا يوجد له مثيل.
أوّل نقش باسم (هامان) يُعثر عليه في الجزيرة العربية بهذه الصيغة الصريحة الواضحة: 𐩠𐩣𐩬 =
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@RamonIHarvey
I just want a way to buy the books in Arabic as an Algerian... I find this work extremely interesting because from what I have read the author did meet some companions so it is interesting he had first hand testimonies so to speak in his work
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Interesting video even if I don't really buy most of what he proposes
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Fascinating volume
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@floatingwordist
While I do agree that Hadith is certainly a mess, I still think that we can work with it by making two main changes, mainly focusing on the example of the early generations of Muslims in Madina and the like and by trying to find the stuff that actually goes back to the prophet.
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I don't really think the scholars mentioned are agonistic as Pregill says below as much as they don't really think we can know for sure, the Prophet Muhammad doesn't really fit the role of editor that he posits elsewhere either. Fitting much better as the single author.
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@GabrielSaidR
Well that is the case even in modern arabic, we say here something like tekfer bena3ma, which means to be unthankful for it.
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The pagan name Abd Manôt
لمحة حول آخر اكتشافات #هيئة_التراث في جنوب غرب المملكة؛ نقش الحقون في حمى الثقافية بمنطقة نجران.
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@PhDniX
I recommend muting and blocking those who are arguing in bad faith, they are clearly not worth your time.
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This is a fascinating upcoming book
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The Inner-Qurʾānic Development of the Images of Women in Paradise: From the Ḥūr ʿĪn to Believing Women.
This is a good paper.
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Sigh, are we back to the syriac-aramaic letters thing... I thought we surpassed by this point.
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@IslamicOrigins
Good article, it is so frustrating that we have so many amazingly early inscriptions like that of zuhayr and co but we still have yet to find inscriptions from companions that we recognize from our sources. I feel like we could even find inscriptions from the Prophet's lifetime.
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@DerMenschensohn
Personally I would say that one shouldnt take either extremes like there is a clear presence of biblical lore in arabia, but I am uncomfortable with the too complicated intertextuality that some scholars argue for, like more than its author, who is its audience ?
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@foucaultyen
Sinai in one of his old papers studied the tradition of Thamud and the she-camel based on some pre Islamic poetry that he sees as authentic and it seems like it lacked the figure of Saleh and iirc he thus concludes that the Quran was the one to introduce Saleh.
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How do modern Christian and Jewish theologians aware of the point made in the footnote number 11 below treat it ?
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@PhDniX
professor considering that Quraysh is next to Al khazraj that makes it likely that it is our meccan quraysh no ?
Names of some Arab tribes in South Arabian inscriptions: Quraysh, Khazraj, Ghatafān, and Dhubyān.
Photos by
@mashalgrad
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