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I think we should all come together and agree that Joaquín Niemann isn't allowed to comment on the state of professional golf until he manages to tie Michael Block for career Top 15 finishes in majors. Currently 1-0 Blockie despite Joaco playing three times as many majors.
Joaquin Niemann on Presidents Cup:
"It's supposed to be the best golfers in the world and they're not doing that right now."
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@jamierkennedy
When Tiger was Brooks' age, his numbers were:
- 27% win percentage
- 42% top 3 finish
- 48% top 5 finish
- 56% top 10 finish
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11 of the last 11 US Open winners:
- ranked inside the OWGR Top 30
- had a previous Top 25 in the US Open
- made the cut at last US Open AND in the most recent major
- had played between 1 and 8 US Opens
- had won less than two majors
- had a Top 5 finish already that year
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All of the last 10 Open Championship Winners had:
- a previous Top 2 finish in a major
- at least three Top 15 finishes in their last five starts
- a Top 40 ranking in the OWGR
- a Top 3 finish on the PGA Tour already that year
- a prior Top 20 in the Open (if they'd played)
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@KylePorterCBS
Probably not great when you've been married to him for several years and money's the first thing to make him smile.
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All of the last six Masters winners:
- ranked Top 50 in both SG: App and SG: AtG
- were Top 15 in (at least) one of the last two majors
- were Top 30 in OWGR
- had a Top 25 finish at ANGC
- had a Top 5 finish that season
- had a previous major Top 5
- were not defending Champion
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Lots asking so here's everyone who matches up:
Scottie, Rory, Xander, Ludvig, Collin, Bryson and Sungjae.
Pretty sure that's it for exact matches but there are a number of people who only very narrowly miss out (Finau, Young, Lowry, Hovland, etc.)
All of the last 10 Open Championship Winners had:
- a previous Top 2 finish in a major
- at least three Top 15 finishes in their last five starts
- a Top 40 ranking in the OWGR
- a Top 3 finish on the PGA Tour already that year
- a prior Top 20 in the Open (if they'd played)
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@KylePorterCBS
It's absolutely wild that some people interpret facing negative consequences for doing bad things as "cancel culture." Probably the same ones that spout off about free speech while having no understanding of what it means. Well, not probably. Definitely.
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@dylan_dethier
Across the last four years, Brooks Koepka has averaged nineteen events per season including majors. Has anyone asked him how 15 LIV events spread across the world is less travel than 15 PGA Tour events all in the US?
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Just like last year, four golfers meet that criteria.
Scottie, Cantlay, Xander and Hatton
If the run of US Open winners coming off Top 10s at the PGA continues then that leaves just Scottie and Cantlay (whose T9 feels made up). So... probably Scottie.
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10 of the last 10 US Open winners:
- ranked inside the OWGR Top 30
- had a previous Top 25 in the US Open
- made the cut at last US Open AND in the most recent major
- had played between 1 and 8 US Opens
- had won less than two majors
- had a Top 5 finish already that year
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@JerzWayBetting
Before and after the media cast a dark cloud over the Travelers Championship.
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Luke List missed six putts inside 5' today. That's the same amount that Ben Martin missed in his 46 PGA Tour rounds this season.
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@LPGAMedia
There was a rules official, Ryan Palmer, stood there the entire time. What is the purpose of having rules officials if the players are actually supposed to ignore them and figure out what they're doing themselves lest they be disqualified?
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@acaseofthegolf1
Flavin having to Monday Q after going T10-T21 in his last two starts while there are players who haven't had a Top 25 in over a decade in the field is a total disaster. Good golfers are fighting for a few spots when there's a guy in the field who hasn't made a cut in 12 years.
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After Cam Smith's win last year, we're now up to thirteen straight Open winners who've finished outside the Top 25 in the previous year's Open.
Cam T33
Morikawa DNP
Lowry MC
Molinari MC
Spieth T30
Stenson T40
ZJ T47
Rory MC
Phil MC
Els MC
Clarke T44
Louis MC
Cink MC
Since Tiger & Pádraig went back-to-back back-to-back at the Open, 7 of the last 12 Open Champs missed the cut the year before their win. Another four finished between 30th and 50th and one didn't play. None of the last twelve Open winners managed better than T30 the year prior.
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As we all expected at the start of the year, Hovland, MacIntyre and Rahm all the same price for the Open.
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@jamiecweir
Golf is such an overwhelming bummer right now. Not sure it ever won't be again, honestly.
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I'm just hearing that Scottie's set up some walk out music for his tee time today?
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Every Open Champion since '13 had:
- made the cut on his last start
- finished worse than T25 at the last Open
- a Top 10 in 1 of the last 2 majors OR 2 Top 25s in the last 3
- a Top 50 OWGR rank
- a Top 3 finish on the PGATour that year
- at least 3 Top 20s in his last 5 starts
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@TronCarterNLU
Patrick Cantlay building a bridge between Tron and the tracker accounts. Truly does have all the tools.
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@NoLayingUp
If you have three PGA Tour wins (two of which came in the Oct/Nov stretch) and one major Top 10 in a 20+ year career, you're legally obligated to join LIV. First Perez, now CH3. You may not find two players who've benefitted more from how the PGA Tour works.
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@maxhoma23
Just saw Jediah Morgan is still getting into the field. Hasn't broken 70 in 17 rounds since joining LIV but has shot in the 80s three times. Finished DFL in two out of three events they've held. So, it's clearly not determined by how you play.
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@KylePorterCBS
Nobody talk him out of it this time. His week at the Masters got worse when he stopped wearing the insane stuff. It gives him power. You can't look like that and play badly so he has to balance it by playing great golf.
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@Betgolfworld
Basically, if you can remember the name of any golfer in the field, you get in for free. Sales are going well, I see.
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Large chunks of The Open leaderboard are already filled out in my mind. I just need the rest of the picture to come together.
1st ?
2nd ?
T3 Scottie
T3 ?
5th Tommy
T6 DJ
T6 MacIntyre
T6 ?
T6 ?
T10 Cantlay
T10 Xander
One of those question marks is Rory. Just not sure which one.
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Fitzpatrick has now been on the wrong side of a bad draw bias in the PGA, US Open and Scottish Open. Managed a T5 at the PGA, won the US Open and T4 heading into the weekend here. Pretty unreal.
Scottish Open Wave Splits:
AM/PM: +3.65
PM/AM: +5.47
That's 1.82 strokes in favor of AM/PM.
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@useGolfFACTS
@OWGRltd
@WSJ
No, he was 169th. And I was counting the Tournament of Champions, the two WGCs and the Masters. The two FedEx events were 125-man fields which I'm not really including in that bracket but sure, 6/9 then. So, you agree he found winning in limited fields much easier than full ones?
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@EPatGolf
If Scottie spending a morning in jail is what it took, that's a sacrifice I was willing to make.
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@kevin_demsky
@ZachOxman31
@NoLayingUp
I think it's five minutes to play the next shot (five minutes that didn't involve waiting for the group ahead). As in, there was no group stopping him from hitting and it still took five minutes.
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GSE Clients on LIV:
Abraham Ancer
Joaquín Niemann
Bryson DeChambeau
Paul Casey
Jason Kokrak
Sergio Garcia
Louis Oosthuizen
Carlos Ortiz
Branden Grace
Sihwan Kim
Eugenio Chacarra
Definitely nothing illicit going on there. I'm sure those agents were acting on good faith.
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@KylePorterCBS
In those fourteen tournaments, exactly fourteen golfers have managed to finish above Scottie more than once.
x4: Rahm
x3: Rory, Theegala
x2: Brooks, Day, Spieth, Xander, Cantlay, Morikawa, Homa, Young, Hovland, Tom Kim and Grillo
That is not a lot.
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Harman 225/1
Boutier 66/1
Glover 100/1
Glover 100/1
Four weeks in a row! Long may it continue! 🏆
FedEx St Jude Picks (all E/W):
- Tony Finau (33/1; 7 Places)
- Jason Day (40/1; 5)
- Tom Kim (50/1; 5)
- Cam Davis (90/1; 5)
- Lucas Glover (100/1; 7)
- Andrew Putnam (175/1; 7)
Glover probably won't perform after the win but the price looks too big to me. Been so good lately.
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@shanebacon
After he made a big fuss about playing in the Open (despite not playing since a MC in '09 and not being eligible since '16) just so he could be in the news to get the Saudi Tour more out there, I'm absolutely not surprised.
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@CallawayGolf
@rosezhang
Rose trying to solve golf's pace of play issues by skipping over the whole reaching down to pick up your tee part of the game is truly aspirational.
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@JustinRayGolf
Rory's last start before winning at Congressional in 2011 came two weeks prior. It was a solo 5th in an event where the winning total was 272 and it left him ranked 7th in the OWGR.
Rory's last start was two weeks ago. He finished solo 5th. The winning score was 272. OWGR
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Since the PGA Championship was moved up to May, the US Open winners have all carded Top 10 finishes there prior to their win.
'19 Woodland - T8
'20 Bryson - T4
'21 Rahm - T8
'22 Fitzpatrick - T5
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Might be the most a small set of trends has ever narrowed down a field. Only Scottie Scheffler, Xander Schauffele and Hideki Matsuyama meet the criteria. Brian Harman was just Top 50 in Approach and Around the Green but played himself out of both with his Valero play.
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@KylePorterCBS
And then he hit this shot two holes later. Not bad, honestly.
The Irish Open being back at the K Club isn't exactly something to celebrate given the wealth of amazing courses we have here but it means we'll probably see this shot a lot over the next week and I'm very okay with that.
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That leaves 4 golfers who meet every criteria:
Rahm, Schauffele, Niemann and Fitzpatrick.
I couldn't find anything else that all ten previous winners had in common that would rule anybody else out but for things that 8 or 9 of the last 10 meet, Fitzpatrick does line up best.
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@NoLayingUp
This might be my favourite golf story of the year and we're only like six weeks removed from Scottie getting arrested for making a cop shit his pants.
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@jamierkennedy
That's a lie, Jamie. It was Round 2 of the PGA Championship. He missed the cut. Other than that though, yeah. Most exciting round since his last round.
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@useGolfFACTS
@OWGRltd
@WSJ
The more people there are in a field, the harder it is to win. Patrick has a much higher win rate in limited fields. Most of his starts were in full field events but 4/9 wins came in smaller fields. P was 169th when he won the Wyndham. Guys lower down the rankings are good too.
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@AndyTFE
In LIV Golf, E doesn't mean even par, E = mc² so it's actually -2 + mc² and in this case, that's E (the team E actually does mean even). In LIV Golf, the speed of light is actually 1 because we don't blink and m (hundreds of millions paid in advance) equals 2. So E = (2)(1)² = +2
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@willknightsTFE
Absolutely convinced of this by now.
Haha, they for sure just have one person in charge of the website, all graphics, their social media, etc. and that person does not give a single shit about their job.
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@SInow
As you're welcoming feedback, a ranking where Rahm, McIlroy, Scheffler and Hovland are worth the same to strength of field as Straka, Harman, KH Lee and Putnam is not going to be remotely accurate. The less said about Distance per Shot the better.
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@useGolfFACTS
@OWGRltd
@WSJ
For a number of reasons that I suspect you know. Also, why even bother? The Masters points are guaranteed. 1st gets 100, 2nd gets 60, 3rd gets 40, etc.
You and Pat could go all Tonya Harding on the field and he'd still get 100 Points for finishing 1st. So, again. Why d'you care?
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@BrianKirschner_
Once you've played TPC Craig Ranch, any other course is just gonna be a disappointment.
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@NoLayingUp
Infinite rivalries! That Jediah Morgan - Andy Ogletree rivalry is going to be the talk of the golf world soon. That or Ian Poulter's fighting a ram which I guess I could get me interested.
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Cameron Young was 5,000/1 at one point on Friday. Opened yesterday at as long as 2,500/1. Was still 150/1 this morning. Just one back now and best price 12/1.
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@JasonSobelGolf
Unless the goal of the startup I joined was to damage the company I left by grossly overpaying for company employees (who can't easily be replaced in the short term) without any intention to ever make money then I don't think this analogy makes any sense whatsoever.
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@shanebacon
Helped by the fact that Southern Hills, Brookline and St Andrews is an all-time great run of courses for the majors.
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Louis Oosthuizen's First 10 Majors
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73rd (last place on +26)
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1st (won by 7)
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@KVanValkenburg
“All the tenuous links to the things that these guys have allegedly done when we know that the links are, like I say, tenuous at best. It doesn’t mean everyone in Saudi Arabia is a bad person.”
Tenuous?
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@MattMollica
@rydercup
@RyderCupEurope
@RyderCupUSA
@NoLayingUp
Worth noting, the only changes if you included LIV players would be Arnaus > Casey and Homa > DJ.
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Cameron Tringale, Harold Varner III and Anirban Lahiri have competed in a combined 692 PGA Tour events without a single win. In the process, they've earned a combined $37,020,309. The people who've benefitted the most from the PGA Tour's model continue to defect.
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@NoLayingUp
Is Deere Run a bit too difficult? Only sixteen guys got it to 20-under this year.
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@ngschuNLU
I think they should give him free relief into a different gorse bush that isn't behind the grandstand.
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@KVanValkenburg
Unless the rule change is that Ryder Cup sides are now made up of 24 men, I suspect this is a moot point with regards to Na.
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Since the WM Phoenix Open, the only players currently outside the OWGR Top 20 to win a PGA Tour event that featured someone from the Top 20 are Straka, Spaun and KH Lee. Three players in 25 events. Poston also won one but there were no Top 20 players there.
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Found maybe the weirdest trend ever for the Scottish Open. OWGR of the winners:
'15: Fowler - 9th
'16: Noren - 99th
'17: RCB - 31st
'18: Stone - 371st
'19: Wiesberger - 83rd
'20: Rai - 183rd
Every following winner is one digit different. Lowry and KH Lee both fit for MW Lee.
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Open Championship Picks:
- Tony Finau (50/1; 8)
- Cam Young (55/1; 8)
- Robert MacIntyre (80/1; 5)
- Sungjae Im (100/1; 6)
May be space for another. The Bob price is from last month and the Sungjae price is from Thursday. Going for three in a row at the Open after Cam & Harman.
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My only bets so far for the Ryder Cup are Scottie (100/1) and Brooks (33/1) to get 0 Points. In the last two Ryder Cups in Europe, four Americans have gone home with no points. Scottie only managed 0.5 in the Presidents Cup last year, coming off an abysmal Tour Champ and an...
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@TronCarterNLU
If a 15-year-old is able to shoot even par with an 8 on the card then I'm not sure anyone can reasonably argue that it was too hard. It was tough. What do they say? We're not trying to humiliate the best players - we're trying to identify them.
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So, they've all been good golfers who were playing well, had given a good showing of themselves in recent majors, had contended at least once on the PGA Tour that year and weirdly didn't perform at the last Open. Only two men meet the criteria:
Brooks Koepka and Rickie Fowler
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@KylePorterCBS
Based on the commentary I saw from "London" I'd say that's headed right at the pin.
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@BigRandyNLU
@NoLayingUp
Just worried that he may end up paired with Eric Cole tomorrow and you'll have to figure out which one plays on the PGA Tour.
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@Daniel_Rapaport
That tracks. You still get the $120k if you hit one tee shot then WD, right?
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@NoLayingUp
If Block gets a major Top 10 before Max does he go from 'The Club Pro' to 'The Pro'?
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@the_fried_egg
They could anagram PGA and LIV but that only really leaves the VAGLIP Tour and that probably doesn't play.
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Brian Harman 225/1 🏆
Took some 225/1 on Brian Harman for The Open. A solid T26 in his Open debut at Hoylake in '14, T19-T6 in '21 and '22, gone T2-T9 his last two starts and now T5 at halfway in Scotland. Looks a very good price E/W.
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The Irish Open being back at the K Club isn't exactly something to celebrate given the wealth of amazing courses we have here but it means we'll probably see this shot a lot over the next week and I'm very okay with that.
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@acaseofthegolf1
Imagine catching up to them after the 5th, seeing him go -7 through eight holes.
"Wow! Is he on for a 59?"
"Uh... he's still +4."
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Keegan Bradley winning the FedEx Cup would be very funny. Like, he's had two Top 10s this season. Keegan is tied on Top 10s with Zac Blair and Peter Kuest and one behind Hayden Springer. At best, he can tie Andrew Novak and Kevin Yu. The PGA Tour Playoffs are truly the worst.
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@BenColeyGolf
No, Wyndham Clark told me it was an advantage that they hadn't played at all. He's the best player in the world too so I doubt he'd lie.
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Haha, they for sure just have one person in charge of the website, all graphics, their social media, etc. and that person does not give a single shit about their job.
Tried to find the LIV quiz and Googled "LIV Test." Found something way better.
@BrendanPorath
@AndyTFE
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