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Had the pleasure of working on the Varlamore map for the OSRS team.
It was both an exciting and challenging one, as I'd not taken on something of that scale in such a short time frame before. Hopefully I've done it justice.
I'll see you over in The Shining Kingdom next year!☀️
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What might we discover during our voyage to the Western Sea? ⛵️
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And there it is.
A new era for Old School. Exciting times.
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Fun fact related to new skills:
During the peak "Old School" era of RS2, not only were new skills a regular occurrence, a new skill was almost always in active development at any given time.
(Approx dev time of each skill shown below).
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🔨Lovakengj🔨 Rework Concept
Didn't think I'd return to Kourend again, but here we are.
After
@JagexBrow
,
@JagexGrub
and
@JagexWest
had their deep-dive Shayzien rework livestream last year, I felt compelled to have a go at Lovakengj.
More info here:
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🎵 Much did they study to gain lots of knowledge 🎵
🎵 Thanks to their time spent at Varlamore's College 🎵
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@OldSchoolRS
I've mentioned in other tweets, but how about some potential interface improvements?
3 Quick examples of potential improvements to the quest tab:
-Either giving the 4 sub-tabs permanent buttons,
-adding Raids as a permanent 5th tab,
-or even adding a summary page as a 6th.
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A fun little fake map for anyone who likes looking at such things:
"Auburnvale".
Lore/backstory over at:
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🎵 A Bard's Dream 🎵
- A new skill concept for OSRS -
I know new skill ideas are controversial, but this is an attempt at something quite different. Hopefully it's at least interesting to look at.
Would love if people checked it out:
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@OldSchoolRS
Some worrying things here…
You want to "Make OSRS the most popular MMORPG in the world".
That mindset drove RS3 into the ground.
OSRS is niche, by design. Embrace the audience/game you have, don't discard it in pursuit of those who fundamentally don't like how the game works.
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@sckip_
I'd disagree. The vast dev budget afforded to a new skill will allow for content scope that a regular project wouldn't get. In-depth Sailing mechanics & ocean expansion are simply too big to ever justify doing outside of a skill.
Longer explanation here:
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Warding.
It’s a big topic worthy of some big feedback. Would love for people to check out the feedback & general new skill discussion in the link below, & hear some thoughts from folks in the community &
@OldSchoolRS
after.
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Can we please ditch Haitus Cosaintus without extra faff like a miniquest?
A miniquest cements him into the game world when in reality he’s just a tacky eyesore that needs to be quietly removed from existence without fanfare.
@OldSchoolRS
@JagexGambit
@JagexAsh
@JagexEd
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@OldSchoolRS
While I’m generally in favour of the concept of a new skill, Warding is filling me with apprehension. What started as a relatively simple concept seems to be ballooning into a game wide meta-changing affair with ramifications that could well alter the core underlying feel of OSRS
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Hot take:
This is tackling the problem from the wrong end.
Skills shouldn't be buffed to meet insane shop rates, shops should be brought down to meet skills while rebalancing any outlier content that is deemed to consume items too quickly in relation to skilling production rates.
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Props to the OSRS team for the thoughtful pitches.
It'll be a fun one seeing how the discussion and eventual poll pans out for these 3 skill ideas. Not sure if I could call it at this stage based on early reactions.
(Also, I shed a solitary tear for Bard. 🥲 Maybe one day...)
Old School RuneScape's first new skill?
The time has come, check out our three proposals for a new skill based on your feedback earlier this year!
⛵ Sailing
🐾 Taming
🌲 Shamanism
Read the blog now 👇
🔗
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A quest/diary/minigame interface improvement suggestion for QOL month:
Any thoughts?
@OldSchoolRS
@JagexGambit
@JagexRy
@JagexWest
@JagexAsh
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Would love to hear your thoughts on this idea
@JagexAsh
or anyone on the
@OldSchoolRS
team if you get a moment.
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I hear a Sailing blog went out today. 👀
For those interested, here's a blank version of the header image. I edited a version of a map that exists in the OSRS museum in game.
Do note, none of the inclusions in this map are indicative of any future content - it's just for fun.😁
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@OldSchoolRS
Strong potential; I’m big in favour of more engaging & diverse skilling, but the specifics for this seem excessively similar to Wintertodt. I really don’t feel like that should be the standard for skilling bosses, if anything it should be the cautionary tale of what to avoid.
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📊 New Skills?
⚓️ Sailing?
🖥️ A functional RuneLite demo?
The incredible work done by
@ScreteMonge
on his Sailing Skill concept & RuneLite plugin gameplay prototype cannot be overstated.
Check out links to the video overview & ramble in this here post:
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@JagexWest
They look objectively better in terms of being recognisable as boots, & in the grand scheme of things probably should have all had that angled orientation in the first place.
However, it’d be a tough sell to folks who value familiarity over all else (especially here on twitter)
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@OldSchoolRS
While I do think Zeah benefits from having a more prominent entrance area away from the cluttered Port Sarim docks, maybe right in Draynor wasn’t the best for the sake of nostalgia. How about just a little ways south-east? As pictured:
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Discussing drop table balancing & gameplay design in OSRS.
Be warned. It’s a long read, if you’re up for the challenge.
I welcome any thoughts, especially from the Jmods
@OldSchoolRS
@JagexKieren
@JagexAsh
@JagexWest
@JagexEd
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🎵 I once heard a tale of some musical folk 🎵
🎵 Who travelled the world and would sing when they spoke... 🎵
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Don't mind me, I'm just busy getting killed by a colossal ocean kraken boss in
@ScreteMonge
's Sailing skill prototype, available now in the RuneLite plugin hub.
🐙 🌊 ⛵️ ⚓️
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@OldSchoolRS
I feel this removes player agency, encourages efficiency over fun, increases disparity in already OP PvM rewards vs non-PvM, Ironman-centric, & more,
Slay/PvM is already the most updated, lucrative & played content. Why not focus on other areas to bring them up to that standard?
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@JagexCurse
@JagexBruno
Tread carefully:
- If BIS, efficiency > fun takes hold,
- Folks rushed new content to re-Comp quick, ignored non-Comp content entirely,
- Gameplay quality degraded; increase in boosting/rigging,
- Permanent arguments over Comp cape reqs,
&
- More spite no-voting to maintain cape.
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I'll always have a soft spot for thoughtful player designed OSRS content ideas, especially on the often controversial topic of new skills.
ScreteMonge (aka Gnome) has shared a nice take on an Exploration skill, that I'd recommend folks take a look at:
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If the
@OldSchoolRS
team are still looking for Forestry feedback, Ninja Pig just shared a thoughtful post highlighting the underlying issues that some people have with Forestry, as well as proposing a few possible solutions.
Worth a quick read:
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Amazing to see a new skill discussion finally return with a detailed and thoughtful design direction behind it. Especially excited to see what
@JagexHusky
&
@JagexElena
have in mind.
Also, big props to
@JagexKieren
,
@JagexAyiza
& the team for hosting a great
#OSRSSummit
.
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I've got a feeling this one's gonna be good. 👀
🌞 WELCOME TO THE SUMMER SUMMIT! 🌞
😎 Don’t miss out as we reveal the Old School RuneScape roadmap for the rest of the year and into early 2024!
🧵Stay up-to-date on all the news from the Summer Summit with this handy Megathread!
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Disappointed to hear the planned 150th quest just got shelved. Seems like a lot of scheduling issues lately, so hope whatever project took its place will be worth it.
Still, sucks to lose the first proper OSRS milestone quest experience to a more standard one instead.
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@OldSchoolRS
Details aside, this is something that’s long overdue. Some of it will be a tough sell to the community, but the long term benefits should outweigh the short term reaction.
Hope this leads into more discussions on balance, like drop tables & PvM vs non-PvM sources of resources.
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Heading off for my first RuneFest. Looking forward to seeing all you lovely folks down there, & thanks again to the OSRS team for the invite. :)
#RuneFest2019
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@JagexGambit
Devil’s advocate: Beware asking just the core PvPers - a group so skilled & far removed from needing tutorials, it’ll naturally skew towards No. Consider asking the ~90% of the games non-PvPing community why they aren’t PvPing, rather than assuming more rewards will do the trick.
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@JagexGambit
I really think an in-game survey/priority poll could help.
Ask simple questions:
“I don’t PvP because: Not rewarding enough / Too difficult to learn / I don’t enjoy losing items / I don’t enjoy the community interaction / etc”.
Start to build a picture of what’s wrong.
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Also, you're creating a weird price ceiling for mains.
In this scenario, blood, wrath & soul runes can never exceed 400gp ever again. Same for all other runes at diff values.
Ultimately, you'd get the exact same result by adding blood rune packs but requiring 77 RC to open them.
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🎵The Bard Skill🎵 has been our shared passion project for quite some time now, so please do check this out. It's a lot to digest, so take your time. And remember, it's just one set of ideas and possibilities that can hopefully spark ideas of your own, so feedback is encouraged!
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@OldSchoolRS
Awesome job with the Hosidius rework (props to
@JagexWest
). 👍
Seems to be very well received so far. Perhaps that can spur on a few more changes for some of the other Kourend houses too. Finally get Zeah looking really nice. 🙂
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@JagexAsh
Yeah I can see why significant UI design changes & additions might take a while.
Do you think just the left-most option 1 in the image here of converting the current 4 tabs as such would be both viable & useful to do for QOL?
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Had a great time at RuneFest. Lots of lovely people there & so many nice comments which was really humbling. Great to finally have a chance to chat in person with some of the OSRS team too - just a shame it felt like it flew by so fast! Here’s to more in the future hopefully. :)
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@Skiddler
@OldSchoolRS
@KempKor
Just so you don’t blast Jagex, that was one of my (bad?) ideas. It came from PKers & folks like yourself who I’ve seen ask for PvP love. I tried to look at what 3 combos would allow for viable standard spellbook pking, and that combo of Omni, Balance & War would achieve that.
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@JagexGambit
@OldSchoolRS
@JagexAsh
@JagexEd
Understandable but still… The miniquest just totally undermines the reason some people want him gone in the first place though. He’s a nasty inclusion in the gameworld that shouldn’t be given even more prominence thanks to miniquest content.
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@JagexEd
Just want to say props on SOTE, genuinely fantastic quest. Some of the best pacing, storytelling & overall structure of any quest to date (well, maybe the light puzzle dragged on a bit when doing it guideless 😖).
Give yourself & the team a big pat on the back.
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@OldSchoolRS
Buffing cannons seems unnecessary. Why not go a different route, a more thematically relevant drop like a new 1H weapon (Granite Hammer):
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@OldSchoolRS
@JagexSquid
Hoping it's the Forestry Woodcutting update that
@JagexSquid
pitched in a game jam. It sounded great and felt refreshing to see an update to improve a core skilling system, rather than another isolated skilling minigame/boss like we've had quite a lot of in recent years.
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@JagexWest
Is Hosidius mostly done from a mapping point?
So good to see Kourend almost there.
And to think, in 2016 I would’ve been apprehensive, but now I’m excited to see how the team tackles every future blank canvas. Especially whatever comes of southern Zeah/Varlamore & beyond.
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Big shout outs to
@CavemanOnly
and
@ScreteMonge
in particular for all the hard work they've both put into this Bard concept. I don't think it would have got to where it is right now without a big collaborative effort.
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@JagexOasis
New dog quest pls 🙏
You know what could be neat, similar to how cats are raised and sold for magic ammo (death runes) to NPCs in Ardy, perhaps dogs could be raised and sold for ranged ammo (rune arrows?) to Hosidius citizens to become guard dogs protecting their fruit stalls.
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@OldSchoolRS
I feel there are some deep, systemic issues at play with the directions these blogs are taking - actively exacerbating problems rather than alleviating them. Probably too late for big long-form feedback but I definitely feel some things need totally rethinking from the ground up.
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@JagexHusky
@JagexElena
@JagexKieren
@JagexAyiza
And I'm probably a tad biased but it was a pleasant surprise to have the name-drops of Bard & Exploration skill ideas in the blog & on stream. I imagine
@CavemanOnly
&
@ScreteMonge
might be even happier.😉
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@OldSchoolRS
@JagexMatK
With yourself & Ash being the cornerstones driving the game since day 1, it’s truly sad to see you go. While many of us can be vocal about the game, it’s because we appreciate what folks like yourself do & the passion we all share. Good luck with everything in the future Mat.
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@JagexSween
It's always felt like you've had the communities interests at heart and never been one to shy away from the difficult topics, so it's sad to see you go.
All the best on what comes next for ya. 👍
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@Volcaban
Amazing piece! Couldn't help but get a bigger and bigger smile from noticing all the little references you've packed in. So good. 👏
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@JagexRoq
LMS rewards: be cautious. No point in "forcing" folks into LMS who aren't PvP inclined for non-tradable rewards, only to undermine the system via boosting/exploits by those who don't care for PvP gameplay. Rewards should be PvP-centric/tradable (or both) for best results, IMO.
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@lakituOSRS
Not a guideline, & I'm not advocating Summoning. Simply showing skills were in active dev throughout RS2.
Also, imo OSRS exists for 3 reasons:
1) EoC
2) MTX
3) UI/Art (NIS)
Yet, RS3 continues to this day in spite of those flops, *because* it gets new skills/quests/bosses/etc.
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@OldSchoolRS
Good stuff.
IMO the tax-sink items need to be streamlined with a stance such as "all tradable items in the collection log are tax-sunk".
That’d include all tradable rares from all bosses, raids, clues, & misc activities/games. Then, scale daily sink quantity off item drop rate.
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@JagexWolf
Birdhouses were certainly over-buffed with decent XP p/h & great nests + doable so many times a day.
How about increasing time per house to reduce feeling of over repetition (multiple hours or even days per). Balance accordingly; XP to be negligible & nests in moderate quantity.
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An unbelievably great creation (though I might be a bit biased) from the wonderful Gnome.
Hope it can start a wider conversation about content creation tools and official support from Jagex, instead of ignoring or stifling passionate players who just want to better the game.
Hello all, particularly
@JagexWest
!
I’d like to present Auburnvale: A Fan-Made, Custom 3D Map. I hope you enjoy!
Original Post:
Readthrough:
Trailer:
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@JagexWest
This feels like a good excuse to be an annoying RS Classic elitist and shun the RS2 prods, if you played back then you'll remember the symbol was much more of an overt butterfly shape (what with butterflies historical association with the soul and all). So wings it is. 🦋
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@JagexHusky
Some cool looking stuff already. 👍
Do you know if the aim is to fully showcase all the game jam ideas to the players once the week is over (for feedback & interest gauging), or will they mostly be kept as teasers and discussed internally?
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@JagexWest
Great to see all this coming together. As you say, that lack of obvious entrance or “welcome area” definitely made Zeah feel a bit daunting, like being dropped into the midst of a maze. Kourend is creeping its way to being one of the more interesting locations in game now though.
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If D'hide Shields are happening, thoughts Coifs & Boots too?
@JagexWest
@JagexKieren
@JagexRoq
@OldSchoolRS
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@JagexWest
@JagexKieren
@OldSchoolRS
With all the Warding feedback coming in and more still to come (from me included), are new skills in general still open for discussion? i.e. Are you open to hearing about alternative skill ideas, or are you 100% in on only Warding for now?
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Farming Guild anyone?
@JagexKieren
@JagexRoq
@JagexAsh
Or anyone on the team care to take a look that'd be awesome
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@OldSchoolRS
So happy you guys are taking time to fix past mistakes and improve existing content & areas like this. It’s been a long time coming but to finally see it taking shape is really great.
Hopefully we'll get more focus on improving other existing things too.
Good stuff. 👍
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@_hunter_ward
Quite possibly yeah.
I've seen many "Exploration" skill concepts that try different things. One such incarnation could be a bit of a mega-combo skill that has 3 distinct parts: Land, Cave, & Sea exploration. Each part offering a slightly different style of gameplay & rewards.
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@JagexWolf
I’ll be there. :)
Looking forward to finally meeting all of you folks on the OSRS team.
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@JagexElena
@Atlantis_OSRS
Agreed.
Imagine if players had to pick just 1 quest series to continue or 1 style of boss, with the assumption "if we do an elf quest, we might never do a gnome quest" or "if we do a solo boss, we might never do a raid dungeon".
We'd never see new content, just disagreement.
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@SaederRS
I don't often step into the world of YouTube/Twitch, but I'm sure this'll be fun.😄
Lots we could talk about though; Jagex vs player designed content, dev history of Zeah, controversial ideas (new skills), or just a look at the interesting journey OSRS has taken over 8+ years.
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@JagexWolf
Strong no. Not only would you be sullying the nostalgic core identity of F2P, you’d be giving them the worst half of the skill, as <70 slayer is awfully un-fun, while also being devoid of F2P-suitable reward content to give the skill meaning & purpose.
"If it ain't broke…"
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@JagexBrow
That's sad to hear. You & the art team as a whole have been smashing it lately. I loved your deep dive into some of the behind the scenes, especially recently with TOA & the impressive things you did with the Warden in particular.
Best of luck in whatever comes next for ya. 👍
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@SaederRS
@CavemanOnly
@ScreteMonge
What are the biggest ups & downs you've experienced on Caveman? And looking back, are there any rules you'd change or exceptions you’d make?
Also, what's your biggest takeaway from working on Bard, and presenting it to the community? Has it impacted how you view OSRS in general?
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@JagexWest
Now that’s a pixelated little tease that’s enough to get me giddy.
Any kind of ETA or timeline as to when we’ll be hearing more about this Hosidius/Kourend rework 2.0?
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Hey
@JagexJohnC
If you get a chance could you check out my Sailing skill re-pitch over on reddit? Thanks.
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@JagexAsh
A valid concern. Perhaps it'd be more agreeable as a point of reference on potential future gameplay offerings that complement existing things, rather than trying to override or radically change what’s already there.
Regardless, thanks for taking the time to look, it means a lot
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@JagexWest
That's so cool! Feels like you're about to go on a classic party-based RPG adventure. Or perhaps seeing your winning team line up after beating the Elite 4 in Pokemon kind of vibe.
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@JagexWest
So so good.👍
Any plans on how this is being approached for implementation? I.e. how many aspects need separate polls? Will we see Hosidius through to completion & launched, then others - or you hoping for multiple houses simultaneously? Also your neat lil' dungeon still planned?
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@KempKor
And as
@CavemanOnly
mentioned,
@ScreteMonge
has put some great ones together, and also has a solid guide for structuring and what to include:
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@JagexKieren
@OldSchoolRS
Comprehensive tools within the game itself to allow for user-generated/created content. That'd be pretty neat.
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@JagexKieren
@JagexRoq
@JagexAsh
Also would be interested to hear your thoughts on tomorrows Q&A livestream
@JagexSween
@OldSchoolRS
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@TheMcCannic
@OldSchoolRS
@ScreteMonge
My thoughts, based on the wording:
"We'd like to work with you all to introduce OSRS's first..."
(& considering the recent polling charter update), they might finally poll the *concept* of new skills existing in OSRS, then work with the players on specific skill designs after.
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@KempKor
It's funny, as recently I've been trying to figure out new formats. Regardless, I've always used Photoshop, though almost anything will do. Simple background, eye-catching pics, concise text, all on diff layers for easy editing. Then just hope reddit is in a good mood that day.
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Some Mage Arena 2 feedback.
Would love to hear the
@OldSchoolRS
teams thoughts.
@JagexJed
@JagexAyiza
@JagexArchie
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@JagexAyiza
@JagexWolf
True. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I’m just worried what it means for the future, if people do eventually want an actual lvl 80+ req item, then many will naturally expect it to be better than the current 75s (T-bow, Scythe, Blowpipe), which would be ridiculous power.
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@JagexWest
@Techn9cian___
Whelp, perhaps I’ll have to make a point of going to RuneFest this year then, even if only to stand in the same room as proof. 👍
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@reverbrony
Beyond Bard, skills that I like/have loose concepts for:
Sailing,
Exploration,
Dungeoneering (reworked),
Archaeology,
Astronomy,
Engineering,
Ranching & Taming (skill pair),
Summoning (reworked as a Slayer skill companion),
Ecology (placeholder name - an Artisan rework),
+ more.
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@JagexWolf
@ConnorHaubrich
Helms aside, please don’t be disheartened by the outspoken & enraged folk. I assure you there are many silently appreciative.
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Hey
@JagexEd
- Is there any info you can give as to the core intent & structure of your newly announced F2P Zeah tie-in quest? I’m intrigued, but a little concerned as the way it’s being pitched sounds close to a glorified P2P advert in quest form, rather than an organic story.
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@Pvpupd8tweeter
@JagexGambit
We even had explicit clan rules of “no looting items other than food” during wars. I’m sure this was true of many clans during the height of the PvP era of RuneScape in the mid-2000s. Loot opportunity was only ever the cherry on top, never the driving factor (for me).
[2/7]
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@JagexWest
The Chasm of Fire is legit one of the most impressive looking dungeons in OSRS now. I love the verticality of it. Great job.
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@JagexWolf
Good Q&A, but disappointing how badly you &
@JagexAyiza
butchered the power-creep question. :(
Totally misunderstanding what was discussed in the community - the exact OPPOSITE of what you guys thought (i.e. current gear is already too good; it's better than lvl 80+ should be).
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@JagexArchie
@JagexJed
Hey, if you ever reconsider an LMS map design comp I'd like to throw this into the ring:
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@NMZscape
@Hey_Jase
You’re still making a lot of assumptions based on preconceived notions of how the content would be balanced. Though I’m seeing your train of thought in a more coherent manner, which is good for figuring what to change to reach the intended purpose (standard spellbook pking).
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