What's the worse case scenario a.k.a. WCS of
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wheel strategy?
In computer science we learn WCS of algorithms, mostly in terms of space and time complexity.
Let's talk about "WCS", of income though when it comes to
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.
Hypothetical Example:
I am thinking of an
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strategy where:
Step 1: Every Friday I will sell a $TQQQ CSP 45 days out 17 delta.
Step 2: Close it out for 40% profit whenever I can.
If I can't close by expiry, take assignment or roll.
How can I imprvoe this strategy?
For
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selling the strategy which has a high win rate for me personally, has been the WHEEL.
Wheel - Sell OTM cash secured put for 7-10 DTE, if assigned, sell OTM/ATM covered call.
Additional steps - To make it the WHEEL even better, sell the put on a red day and
Been
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for a year now.
I’ve realized one thing, I’m kinda good at avoiding CSP assignments.
I close, I roll out long, bag hold the CSP. Somehow I get out.
But flip side of it I always miss cap gains which come with wheel
Few ways to solve that :
1) Change my
One of the best
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techniques someone taught me on X was to use 5m Bollinger bands to time option entries and exits, and that has served me so well.
Given you already are interested in selling a put (and your other research criteria are met), as per this technique,
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When to close out a sold put / call which is going favorable?
My personal thoughts and rules:
It's hard to time the market. But it's far easier to have a solid rule, a threshold above which you will take profit and close out.
Rule # 1 - If I sold a put and DTE
Youtube must have zillions of videos explaining what a covered call is.
But you can count on your fingers number of videos which tell you how to use
#TA
to decide the right covered call strike.
I am not convinced option delta is the only way.
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My one-sided $TQQQ "Wheel" results:
First Put sold - 7th Jun 2023
Latest Put sold - 27th Mar 2024
Total Put contracts sold = 58
Premium (net) = +$1180.56
Number of times assigned = 0
Delta range .1 to .2
I am becoming less of a fan of rolling the option while
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. Hear me out.
Reasons:
# 1 - It's harder to get fills as two trades have to execute simultaneously. Which can lead to the trade not even getting executed unless you pay good attention
# 2- It can lead to
Called an Uber, a $TSLA car came.
Driver was an Indian guy named Amit, a Punjabi.
We started chatting in Hindi.
Talked about $TSLA performance, FSD etc.
He has taken FSD trial and he's loving it. He loves his car overall and he has been driving for 12 years.
I asked him if
My
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strategy is
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Choose:
1) A stock or ETF which you don't mind owning long term. For me $SOXL, $TSLL etc
2) Put option strike between .1 to .2 delta
3) Time horizon as 4 to 10 days
4) A day when stock/ETF is down 2% or more
Pocket the premium!
Another
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learning.
Sometimes I thought of selling a weekly OTM CSP on a ticker but didn't, and the price dropped the next day.
Earlier I used to feel good. What a smart guy I am.
I didn't sell CSP and look price dropped. Now I can.
But when I checked the premium
It's better to sell premium on a set of loosely correlated tickers such as $TQQQ, $MARA, $SOXL, $BITX, $TNA.
They all don't peak or bottom together, which allows trader to selectively close and open positions, and rotate funds between them.
What do you think?
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When $SOXL dropped from 70 to 60, I opened a $52 CSP.
Later when it kept falling I rolled down and out to $50 and then $48.
Couldn’t roll any further unless I rolled to January or something.
Took assignment this weekend at $48.
Did nothing wrong here. But unless it moves up a
I do
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in 3 categories:
Tech: $TQQQ, $SOXL, $NVDL, $TSLL, $PLTR, $AI
$BTC-Miners: $MARA, $CLSK, $RIOT, $CIFR, $WULF
Small-Cap: $TNA
What should I add to / remove from this list?
Lot of
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haters are coming out of the woodwork with “I told you so” remarks.
First of all I don’t sell options on margin, I sell cash secured puts and covered calls. So there’s no blown account or margin call here.
I’m personally willing to learn if someone has
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Dec 28th 2023
Red, red everywhere.
Sell to open:
✅ 2 x 12/29 $RIOT Put $17 = $38
✅ 2 x 12/29 $MARA Put $26 = $41
✅ 2 x 1/5 $MARA Put $20 = $46
✅ 1 x 1/5 $HUT Put $12 = $17
✅ 3 x 1/5 $TSLL Put $14.23 = $64
✅ 2 x 1/5 $TSLL Put $14.73 = $63
✅ 2 x 1/12
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May 7th 2024
STO:
✅2 x $CLSK Put 15.5 5/10 = $69
✅2 x $PLTR Put 21 5/10 = $44
✅1 x $MARA Put 18 5/17 = $74
Roll:
✅1 x $TSLL Put 8.5 5/10 to 5/17 = +$15
✅1 x $TNA Put 38 5/17 to 40 5/10 = +$20
BTC:
✅1 x $GOOGL Put 162.5 5/17= +$104 (54%)
Put Seller: I’m gonna sell a cool 5 delta strike the day the ticker is down 10%. Try breaching that strike lol.
$SPXL : Damn that’s a challenge
$TQQQ : Possible, can shoot for it
$SOXL : Hold my f***ing beer
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Jan 2nd 2024
Got out of a few trades, got in a few. Tried to stick to less than 15 delta except for $NIO.
Sell to open:
✅ 1 x 1/5 $RIOT CC 21 = $15
✅ 2 x 1/5 $MARA Put 19 = $43
✅ 2 x 1/12 $TNA Put 35 = $70
✅ 1 x 1/12 $TQQQ Put 43 = $23
✅ 2 x 1/12 $SOXL
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Currently open positions for 6/21:
⭐2 x $TNA 34.5p
⭐2 x $MARA 19.5p
⭐1 x $BITX 38p
⭐1 x $CLSK 19 CC
One for 6/28:
⭐1 x $BITO 23p
Totally not participating in $TQQQ, $SOXL, $NVDL rally since last few days.
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May 23rd 2024
STO (5/31):
✅1 x $BITX Put 38 = $84
✅1 x $UPRO Put 70 = $55
✅1 x $TNA Put 37 = $49
✅1 x $BITX Put 41 5/24 = $38
Roll:
✅ 1 x $MARA Put 20.5 5/24 to 19.5 5/31 = +$19
BTC (5/24):
✅1 x $MARA Put 19.5 = +$44 (82%)
✅1 x $CLSK CC 19 = +$49
I exited almost all my CSPs in last few days. Only two put contracts are currently open
✅ 1 x $MARA 20.5 5/24
✅ 2 x $NVDL 35 5/24
My usual ones are - $SOXL, $TNA, $TQQQ, $MARA, $CLSK, $TSLL, $NVDL
Any other
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suggestions?
$CLSK and $MARA are completely dead or what.
When $BTC rallies they stay flat or mild green.
When $BTC tanks they tank harder.
Such relative weakness.
Gotta get rid of em and get into $BITU $BITX $BITO
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often get flak from other traders on forums such as reddit. "Oh you are happy making $40 by closing put option early? You could have made $160 dollars by holding the underlying."
No sir! I wasn't planning on holding this stock ever. If I had to hold the
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May 17th 2024
STO (5/24):
✅2 x $NVDL Put 39 = $447 (crazy, I know)
✅1 x $MARA Put 18 = $41
✅1 x $TNA Put 38.5 = $31
✅1 x $TQQQ Put 59.5 = $52
✅1 x $AI CC 31 5/31 = $77
✅3 x $TSLL CC 9.5 5/31 = $23
Roll:
✅1 x $CONL Put 40 5/17 to 30 6/21 = +$144
✅1
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May 29th 2024
STO:
✅1 x $CONL Put 30 9/29 = $399
✅5 x $TSLL CC 10 6/21 = $57
✅5 x $TSLL CC 9 6/14 = $76
✅2 x $TQQQ Put 61 6/7 = $123
✅1 x $SOXL Put 44 6/7 = $47
✅1 x $TNA Put 34 6/7 = $29
BTC:
✅2 x $CONL Put 30 6/21 = +$242 (65%)
✅1 x $MARA CC 23
This time last year, I hadn't introduced myself to options as yet.
I used to wait every Tuesday for new lot of 3 month T-bills to put my cash into.
Whenever I bought a 5.1% t-bill instead of a previous 4.8%, I used to fill a tiny dopamine hit.
And then in May-23 I suddenly
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Dec 26th 2023
Down move in $BTC opened STO opportunities for miner stocks.
Sell to open:
✅ 2 $RIOT Put $15.5 12/29 = $29
✅ 2 $MARA Put $22 12/29 = $43
✅ 2 $CLSK Put $7.5 2/16 = $100
✅ 1 $COIN Put $139 1/5 = $106
Buy to Close:
✅ 2 $TSLL Put $14.23
My
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journey with $TSLA and it's derivatives. Monthly update:
Options income, total $2337 (+$397 since previous update):
$TSLA = $425
$TSLL = $1456
$TSLY = $457
Still open for $TSLL:
- 13 CSPs all 1/26, 3 x 13.73, 9 x 12.73, 1 x 11.73
- 400 shares
For
Alright enough of the miner sh*t. Sold my entire $MARA, $CLSK position for loss (dampened by previous option income).
Immediately sold equivalent ATM puts for $BITX.
Can't carry the dead-weight of these tickers anymore.
My usual exit criteria for sold options. Please critique my
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approach below:
1) if I sell an option on day X and on day X+1 or X+2 it has lost it's value by 40% or more, I buyback for 40%+ profit.
2) If above has not happened, I close anywhere above 75% profit
A mistake I did couple of days back was buying a lot of $CONY in my 401K at $26.1. So not only I lost a lot of it when $CONY fell to 22 something but I also realized I won't get the divvy as I bought right on ex-div date. Costly mistake but I'll learn and do better next time.
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Mar 27th 2024
STO for 4/5:
✅2x $MARA Put 19 = $73
✅1x $SOXL Put 14 = $72
✅1x $TQQQ Put 57.5 = $53
✅1x $NVDL Put 38 = $107
✅1x $MARA CC 30 4/19 = $66
Roll:
✅1x $SOUN Put 6.5 3/28 to 4/5= +$14
BTC all 3/28:
✅2x $MARA Put 22 = +$289 (73%)
✅1x $MARA
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P&L for past three weeks
Jan 2 - Jan 5: -$905
Jan 8 - Jan 12: +$750
Jan 16 - Jan 19: +$44
In past few weeks since mid Dec:
- $TSLL melted down from $15.3 to $11.3 (down 26%)
- Crypto meltdown, $MARA down from 31 to 16 (halved)
So I think I may be doing
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June 3,4,5th 2024
✅ Sold 100 $BITU shares for +$253
STO:
✅2 x $TNA Put 34.5 6/14 = +$119
✅2 x $BITO CC 27.5 6/14 = +$95
✅1 x $CLSK CC 19 6/14 = +$30
✅1 x $MARA CC 23 6/7 = +$13
BTC:
✅5 x $TSLL CC 9 6/14 = +$42 (54%)
✅2 x $SOXL Put 42 = +$46 (55%)
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May 31st 2024
STO:
✅2 x $BITO Put 27.5 5/31 = $63
✅1 x $TQQQ Put 50 7/19 = $131
Roll (from 6/7):
✅2 x $MARA Put 19 to 17.5 6/21
✅2 x $TQQQ Put 61 to 59 6/21
✅1 x $SOXL Put 44 to 42 6/14
BTC:
✅6 x $TSLL CC 18.73 6/21 = +$35 (70%)
✅1 x $TNA Put 34
My $SOXL "Wheel" results:
First Put sold - 21st Jun 2023
Latest Put sold - 27th Mar 2024
Puts sold = 98
Covered Call = 111
Number of times assigned = 4
Dividend = +$16
Put Premium = +$1295
Call Premium = ($228)
Capital Gain Loss = ($1311)
Premium (net) = ($228)
Well
@Fidelity
won't upgrade my Options tier to allow me to sell spreads, despite multiple applications.
I love the interface and all but I got to progress in my
#optiontrading
journey.
With which broker do I have the best chance of getting a spread-level options tier?
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Jan 3rd 2024
Massive red on charts calls for a roll-day.
Roll:
✅ 1 x $NIO Put 1/12 8 to 1/26 7.5 = Even
✅ 1 x $Hut Put 1/5 12 to 1/12 11 = $12
✅ 3 x $TSLL Put 1/12 14.23 to 1/26 13.73 = $29
Buy to Close:
✅ 1 x 1/5 $RIOT CC 21 = $13 (87% profit)
I will have 500 shares of $SOFI called away today due to a $8.5 CC expiring today.
As $SOFI shot up from 6.5 to 10 in a very short span of time in past few days. I rolled from $7.5 to $8.5 once, but chose not to do any rolls or any other funky business.
It's a good stock, as
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Feb 26th 2023
STO:
✅ 1 x $TQQQ Put 57 3/1 = $35
✅ 1 x $TNA Put 36 3/1 = $39
✅ 1 x $SOXL Put 38 3/1 = $37
✅ 4 x $TSLL CC 12 3/8 = $23
✅ 4 x $TSLL CC 11.5 3/8 = $42
✅ 2 x $TSLL CC 11 3/1 = $13
Roll:
✅1 x $MARA CC 23.5 3/1 to 3/8 = +$62
BTC:
✅1 x
I currently have 14 $TSLL CSPs open, 8 are already ITM:
✅ 5 x 1/12 $13.73
✅ 3 x 1/26 $13.73
✅ 4 x 1/26 $12.23
✅ 2 x 1/26 $11.23
In addition I also own 400 $TSLL at $14.25 CB, with 3 open covered calls.
Lot riding on a single stock. But let's see.
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Another personal learning from
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(the hard way via losses)
Be super disciplined to NOT trade/invest in anything which you don't have utmost conviction in.
The premiums can be juicy, the dip is alluring. But if the ticker is not something you can stay with, it's not
I'd be significantly reducing my
#optionselling
trading in coming days. except maybe BTC miners and crypto ETFs.
Reason is that I mainly trade wheel, which is a bull market strategy and it's fairly clear we aren't in bull market anymore.
If trends change, I'm happy to change.
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Dec 22th 2023
And ladies and gentlemen, it's a wrap to this week as we enter the long weekend.
Sold some puts, then used the dip to sell some more.
Sell to Open:
☑️ 2 $TQQQ Put $48 12/29 = $78
☑️ 2 $SOXL Put $28 12/29 = $50
☑️ 2 $MARA Put $20 12/29 = $45
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May 3rd 2024
STO:
✅3 x $TSLL CC 9.5 5/10= $20
✅1 x $CLSK CC 20 5/10= $34
BTC:
✅1 x $BITX Put 30 5/10= +$31 (56%)
✅1 x $SOXL Put 32 5/10= +$26 (67%)
✅1 x $TNA Put 37 5/3= +$130 (84%)
✅2 x $CLSK Put 15.5 5/3= +$29 (74%)
✅1 x $TQQQ Put 50 5/10= +$60
My $MARA "Wheel" results:
First Put sold - 23rd Jun 2023
Latest Put sold - 27th Mar 2024
Premium (net) = $2012
Puts sold = 146
Covered Calls sold = 29
Number of times assigned = 1
Put Premium = +$1550
Call Premium = +$581
Capital Gain Loss = ($119)
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wheel update on $MARA
Sold 1st CSP on 6/25/23
Latest CSP on 5/31/24
Assigned = 2 times
CSPs Sold = 160
Put premium = $2400
Covered Calls Sold = 47
Call premium = $705
Cap gain/loss = -$119
Total transactions = 207
Total wheel earnings = $2986
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April 9th 2024
STO:
✅1 x $MARA CC 20 4/12 = $18
✅1 x $AI CC 27 4/19 = $19
✅1 x $NVDL Put 30 5/17 = $125
BTC:
✅1 x $MARA CC 23 4/19 = +$28 (53%)
✅1 x $MARA Put 17 4/12 = +$13 (28%)
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Nov 30th 2023
Sell to open:
☑️ 1 $SOFI put $6.5 12/15 = +$8.5
☑️ 1 $TQQQ put $39.5 12/8 = +$16
☑️ 1 $TSLL put $12.5 12/8 = +$9.5
☑️ 1 $TSLA put $225 12/8 = +$174 (finally got to the real deal after months of $TSLL only trades, feels good)
Roll:
☑️ 1
One thing which I have learned (I think I have) is to be more patient while selling covered calls.
Earlier my mode was to sell CC asap. But now I feel one should sell CC only on green days and slightly lower delta than a CSP. Esp when stock is below or around your CB.
Sure
Avoided this for very long through multiple rolls, but couldn't anymore.
Assigned 300 shares of $TSLL at $14.
Moves my average from 11.65 to 12.12.
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Feb 28th 2023
STO:
✅ 1 x $TQQQ Put 55 3/8 = $54
✅ 1 x $TNA Put 36 3/8 = $50
✅ 1 x $SOXL Put 31 3/28 = $68
BTC:
✅1 x $TQQQ Put 56 3/1 = +$63 (81%)
✅1 x $TNA Put 36 3/1 = +$30 (77%)
✅2 x $MARA Put 25 3/1 = +$73 (71%)
A day with ups and downs.
My one-sided $TNA "Wheel" results:
First Put sold - 26th May 2023
Latest Put sold - 28th Mar 2024
Total Put contracts sold = 38
Premium (net) = +$638.88
Number of times assigned = 0
Delta range .1 to .2
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Mar 1st 2024
No BS, just follow the strategy, like a clock-work.
STO:
✅ 1 x $TNA Put 36.5 3/8 = $48
✅ 1 x $PLTR Put 23 3/8 = $21
BTC:
✅ 1 x $TQQQ Put 55 3/8 = +$42 (78%)
✅1 x $SOXL Put 31 3/28 = +$31 (52%)
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Jan 19th 2024
Yesterday's trades, sorry for the delay in posting.
Sell to Open:
✅1 x 2/16 $MARA CC 25 = $29
✅1 x 2/16 $RIOT CC 16 = $14
Buy to Close:
✅1 x 1/26 $TQQQ Put 44.5 = +$18 (75% profit)
✅ Closed three puts on $TSLL, $TSLY, $COIN for -$22 (loss)
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June 26th 2024
STO:
✅2 x $TSLL CC 10.5 7/5= $21
Roll:
✅3 x $TSLL CC 9 6/28 to 9.5 7/5 = +$13
BTC:
✅1 x $MARA Put 18 6/28 = +$12 (60%)
✅1 x $TQQQ Put 65 7/19 = +$35 (31%)
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April 4th 2024
STO:
✅6 x $TSLL CC 18.73 6/21 = $50
✅3 x $TSLL CC 12 5/17 = $52
✅1 x $CIFR CC 4.5 5/3 = $54
✅1 x $NVDL Put 35 4/19 = $101
✅1 x $MARA Put 17 4/12 = $49
✅1 x $RIOT CC 13 4/12 = $15
BTC:
✅1 x $TSLL Put 7 4/19 = +$19 (49%)
✅1 x $TSLL Put