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Scott Mueller
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UCLA CS PhD candidate, obsessed with Causality, UCode founder, father of 2 kids
Manhattan Beach, CA USA
Joined December 2007
@Chanabassarah these results suggest that @yudapearl is not shadowbanned, right? Except for 2 of the tests, which couldn't be run due to "technical reasons".
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The point was that NNT, as defined, should be 1/PNS. If you're interested in 1/ATE, it should be defined differently. Here's a scenario where 1/PNS is useful. Imagine being harmed is not that problematic. Maybe a migraine goes away without treatment and remains with treatment. But the remaining migraine is very mild. Now, 1/ATE may give us a very large NNT, whereas we really only need to treat a few people to prevent 1 person's migraine.
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@soboleffspaces Good luck! I’d love to see the talk and read the paper if and when they’re available.
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@soboleffspaces @rafaeljmsvieira you may enjoy our paper on monotonicity, which explores probability of benefit and associated probabilities of causation:
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RT @yudapearl: Readers ask whether we, Daniel Pearl's family, were consulted, or whether KSM's murder of Daniel Pearl was a consideration i…
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A more accurate phrase might be: #causality cannot be guaranteed from data analysis alone, instead it can be assumed or demonstrated by argument outside the statistical analysis. Casual discovery is a branch of causality addressing this issue:
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Had the pleasure and honor of spending time with @AleksanderMolak at @Conf_CLeaR 2024. I can't promise that I'm at all interesting, but he also interviewed me for the Causal Bandits Podcast:
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@eyeslasho The parenthetical statements might be true, but not at all because of that graph or the statements that came before them. “Produce” and “Earn” are causal words. “Correlate” and “predict” are statistical words. Wealthier & healthier environment → intelligence of parents & kids.
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@soboleffspaces Ilya Shpitser presented that quote at the end of his presentation to express the benefits of having multiple styles of CI (PO, SCM). "Advocating a single paradigm approach to causal inference is, inherently, intellectually impoverishing." I'm not convinced regardless of the quote
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@nathanb12345 @yudapearl Correct, that substitution doesn't directly work. I think I understand what you're getting at. The linear program that yielded the upper bound of Eq. 11.41 should collapse to a point if it included inputs p₀₁₁ and p₀₁₀, or P(yₓ', y'ₓ), but it doesn't include those.
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@soboleffspaces @yudapearl Interesting diagram. I assume P¹ is P(yₓ) and P⁰ is P(yₓ'). Then the top left pink area minus the bottom right pink area is P¹-P⁰=ATE=PNS-P(harm). If we knew P(harm)=0, then ATE=PNS. But we usually can't know P(harm)=0 unless we have information beyond what Eq. 11.41 uses.
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