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actually, what is armand’s most cringe moment?
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claudia: dad im killing your ass
lestat: not dressed like that you aren’t young lady! *designs her matching shoes*
lesclaudia having matching shoes for 1x07 is so important to me
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"too old to play hamlet, too young to play polonius" is one of my fave lines this season, he really called santiago a hag. i would've never recovered
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alternatively: claudia has pink eyes bc she’s a GIRL and lestat has violet eyes (sometimes) bc he’s NON-BINARY. louis’ eyes are green bc he likes money
claudia haves PINK eyes because she is GIRL... lestat haves BLUE eyes because he is BOY... louis and armand are nonbinary
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actually the implication that for a brief period of time claudia going “dads stop fighting 🤗” was enough even for lestat to stop arguing is making me feel unwell
"of course, daddy and uncle have problems, plenty of em, but they figure 'em out quick most times. and when they can't, I can always get in between and make it right"
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i'm so glad that apparently so many people have such uncomplicated relationships with their parents that they're unable to comprehend how lestat could both hurt claudia very deeply and love her very much
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guys c'mon..."lies in her diaries" claudia's a person and her diaries were an outlet for her emotions 😭 she wasn't keeping a historical record, louis started to treat them as historical record and over-relied on her written words at times bc he forgot so much
is this a good time to talk about how Claudia wrote that she didn't dream in her diary, but Louis remembers precisely that she could. So allegedly Claudia lies in her diaries
Which COULD mean nothing.
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i think daniel's daughters appearing on the show has so much comedic potential. imagine you thought your dad was the worst but then BOOM. he becomes Worse
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emotionally cheating with a figment of your imagination in the form of your estranged husband, no one does it like louis
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“s2 made loustat worse bc it made it so they didn’t harm each other in any meaningful way and all is forgiven” the greatest tragedy of their relationship is that they made so many bad choices it resulted in the death of their child. is it not meaningful to you
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it’s funny when people bring up lestat cheating as evidence of him not loving louis enough or whatever bc louis puts it very well, “he wanted us to discover her, he would’ve killed her in a second if he thought i’d take him as he is”,
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the realization that "i wanted him dead. i wanted him all to myself" was about louis going along with killing lestat partially bc he was sick of lestat cheating but was too proud to put a stop to it changed my brain chemistry
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my dream lesdaughter flashback is child claudia making lestat sit still and messing with his hair like he’s a barbie doll and it looks like this
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this scene is v interesting to me bc this is armand trying to convince both louis and himself that they're alike in their relation to lestat bc he wants to get louis' trust by creating a narrative but also bc he can't wrap his head around lestat being companions with this guy-
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"rolin never planned on doing dm he decided on it last minute to appease the fans" that writer's room doesn't gaf about fan pressure be so for real
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maybe she was being metaphorical or maybe she couldn't remember her dreams. the point was for louis to start remembering her how he remembered her and start to conceptualize her as a person with her own pov on everything again, not just as words on a page
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it starts out as lestat punishing/trying to get back at louis for not being affectionate/sexual with him, then continues bc he wants louis to exhibit any strong emotion towards him (hate), then continues bc he’s feeling insecure wrt louis’ feelings for him once again
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very great thread, also would like to add that imo them refusing to coordinate their parenting styles was a major contributing factor to claudia's needs going unaddressed
lestat and louis represent two kinds of toxic parenting for a sick/disabled child- lestat thinks claudia's "defect" will define her life and catastrophizes over it, and louis ignores the reality of her condition for as long as possible so he can keep pretending nothing’s wrong
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gotta say ppl just like. lie a lot about the contents of tvl.
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keep thinking about human teenage claudia yelling “i wish you weren’t a he/they!” during an argument with lestat and him just going “well what am i supposed to say to that"
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idk how to tell you but lestat cheating is, too, about him being in love with louis 😭
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daniel hart wrote a (part of a?) song and carol cutshall created costumes for this teaser while they're probably like 2 seconds into pre-production the crew & team behind the show are crazy people and i love them
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lestat: i offered myself to louis instead. my companionship, an immortal live. in the church, on the altar
louis: and again, i'm kissing lestat on the altar. i'm killing lestat but won't burn him
iwtv denizens: what does it mean 🧐🤔 what is the name of this type of partnership
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kept it on him while traveling through war-torn europe after murdering him and then kept it thinking he killed their daughter, never could let go of small pieces of lestat he managed to save…oh louis
still holding onto the blank ass gold-foil stamped business card his extremely unemployed ex gave him a century ago... he's so endearing to me
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i cant believe people were joking about lestat having a beef with taylor swift and now lestat is actually having a beef with swifties on the tl and he isn’t even real
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the vampire community when louis du lac exposes them with his book and causes unrest and mere 2 years later his psycho husband goes on tour to make matters even worse
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i'm so high on loulesdaughter all the time that if you told me they had delainey as a science baby like in the sims 4 i'd believe you
they got the same face for those with eyes to see
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@femininomena
what gets to me the most is that by saying this he reiterates that not only he chose to become a vamp but that he chose it bc he loved lestat. lesat made his argument but also louis simply loved the man and wanted to be with him. but ppl never gaf about louis' own pov lol
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lestat’s just crazy like that unfortunately lol (or fortunately for us as viewers)
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@jiminsfangs
@tvlestat
claudia between them bringing them together and lestat between them tearing them apart auuuuuu
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another thing i love about this scene is that louis isn’t just cringing at armand but he’s also pissed off that armand’s interrupting his little chat with dreamstat. he’s like how dare this bitch butt in on my convo with the figment of my imagination
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i'm actually obsessed with the way he says it, "i have the blood of AkAsHaaAa in me..." he really thought he'd gag armand with that one but unfortunately armand being a gatekept loser prevented it from happening!
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after a point all their fights became about her which is 😐 when a child becomes severely mentally ill it can literally explode a family if no one knows how to properly deal with it (happened to my family even though my parents were already divorced by that point)
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hair & make up went all in that day this is straight up fleabag at her mother's funeral
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armand again. "you will, i did (nevermind that my relationship with him was not at all like yours)." the scene is more about armand's feelings for lestat and his projection than about armand genuinely understanding anything about louis' and lestat's relationship
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idk guys it’s not like louis is Against Cheating like it’s one of his personal values he just understandably doesn’t like to be cheated on lol
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in louis' defence he hasn't had a friend in more than 100 years, he forgot that you're supposed to care about their safety when you're not in the room with them too!
objectively speaking, however daniel’s turning happened (an attack, bogosian’s drunk theory, nasty hatesex), it is so fucking funny that louis needed to get to lestat so fucking urgently that he couldn’t even see his papaw safely to the airport
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i feel like i talk about it all the time but it truly does seem to me that ppl don’t realize that dismissing the familial aspect of their relationship literally hinders your understanding of it
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am i the only one who took armand being like "actually i wanted lestat to destroy the coven" as an outright lie lol. like this is how i took it, him not wanting to look like a loser in front of daniel basically
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2x5 is as much of daniel’s story as it’s louis’ story btw, they uncover the abuse they went through inflicted on them by the same person and make an alliance based on that, it’s an important part of the story, esp considering how they’re narrative mirrors to each other
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@theoceanblooms
louis will cheat on anybody if it's with lestat but he will also cheat with anybody if it's on armand tbh
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ppl go on and on about rpfers in the fandom as if they don't have to work with eric b
more than the 2.08 reunion which ofc i never want to know about this is the greatest jam mystery ever recorded
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@loustatsx
also people somehow overlook the fact that louis agreed bc he loved him lmao. the monster he was in love with promised to take away his shame and guilt so he agreed (even if it didn’t quite work out that way)
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i’m glad we’re finally talking about louis and monogamy bc i found it to be one of the most revealing things about how he viewed his relationship with lestat vs armand. simply put, louis isn’t bringing any thirds into the relationship he truly wants to be in lol
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for 30 years but never returning armand's feelings and never loving armand that way. armand could never understand the nature and impact of louis' and lestat's relationship just like he could never understand louis' relationship with claudia. this is what louis answers btw
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“louis is gonna get back with armand and raise children with him bc it happened in the books”
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no, having an affair with antoinette was literally making him miserable lol. but he made his bed
same with lestat,he likes to cheat,but he doesn’t like to be cheated on and hear their hearts dancing
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@Lara_ImaLot
please i need him to vape i'd be soooo funny. he can vape but still share cigs with louis how about that
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@wolfsbane_siren
ppl think love is this pure emotion that is inherently good or moral, but it's neutral and serves as a motivation for ppl to do both good and bad things
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gabistat is the most interesting dynamic and narrative relationship in the book imo, they’re each other’s parent, they’re the same person, they want masculinity/femininity they see in each other etc., “two parts of a whole” taken to another level
from lestat's pov: he wants the affection of his mother whichever way he can get. however, the language of the book shows that, in these seemingly "romantic" moments, there is always a level of discomfort. he wanted this, but not *like* this +
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i always forget that lestat and louis’ heartbeats synchronizing is like an actual thing in the show and not a metaphor and every time i encounter it in fic im like Woah
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it’s not a light read at all, there are chapters and chapters on lestat essentially trying to come to terms with being SA’d (and made a vampire), trying and failing, going through a miriad of complicated, inexplicable and conflicting emotions
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he wasn’t a good father but he did raise a diva!
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suggesting that lestat hasn't a way with words is such a take, even if you tune out all the dialogue across the two seasons...he was doing commedia dell'arte in-universe
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@moncercueil
a man who thinks he’s so unlovable that he can’t even tell that his husband is deeply in love with him but just can’t voice it
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lestat, sitting on the floor reading a newspaper: ah…louis. the romanovs were shot and bayoneted to death by bolsheviks apparently. hm. aw, claudia! careful.
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they need to have a vow renewal ceremony or something bc this man is insane about the institution of marriage
louis is remembering lestat in the outfit he wore to meet his family and seeing him when he’s reading the letter where lestat vows to love him beyond death….like…is louis just reimagining lestat as his betrothed here…an engagement fantasy….
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the point of that scene of louis telling armand it's ok if he doesn't come to madeleine's turning wasn't really about him being super considerate but about him being extremely frustrated at armand for trying to pull the maitre shit ("are you asking or making me?")-
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WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY OMG…when you gotta focus on killing/being killed by your husband but he’s just soooo hot
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well bc armand orchestrates trials but louis just snaps and kills you. this line was a red herring to illustrate louis’ character growth in the finale. he could’ve destroyed the dubai apartment but he cared enough about daniel and not enough about armand, so he didn’t
this is still so strange to me. surely the talamasca knows how much more dangerous armand is compared louis, so why would rj say this to daniel? why shouldn’t he fear armand? is it smt to do with the paramours folder perhaps….? 👀
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but louis in the show just bolting out of the penthouse was actually a good translation of his deep-seated indifference towards armand
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armand the character isn’t “protected by the writing,” the fans are choosing not to engage with the writing bc they got lost in their own fanon sauce during the hiatus and to this day can’t seem to find their way out
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i'll be honest with you there are like 7-10 people on here you have to block for iwtvtwt to become a quite pleasant experience, do not deny yourself this
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a lot of takes on armand are either about him being a brilliant mastermind or a baby not comprehending his own cruelty and he's neither...he's always given too much credit or too little
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"louis was wrong for putting his hands on claudia but it wasn't what we typically consider abuse" are you hearing yourself...
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learning to sit back and observe bc if ppl were not convinced by molloy turning to the camera and saying "he directed the play!" i won't convince them either
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interview with the vampire (2022) is saving lives ❤️
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if you analyze loustat through the lens of “but who’s the mom/wife” you ultimately arrive at “sometimes it’s lestat and sometimes it’s louis” and it’s bc neither of them is the mom/wife
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gonna be honest i don't even shoot for armandaniel like that but it's ridiculous how much shit the shippers get for being excited about a ship that 1) is happening 2) will be the second most prominent romantic dynamic on the show
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...and all the while lestat hopes that louis just kills her off himself
A detail here that often goes unremarked is that when Lestat takes up with Antoinette he is trying to make Louis go back to human blood, nobody would have been happier than him if Louis had just killed her himself.
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"this is the abuse show" "literary studies hello" is taking me out a little bit bc abuse is not the only major theme in the show and it's in conversation with other themes like parenthood (super major) and yes romance. what are we doing.
just stumbled across this and could you imagine being this exhausting and cringe and unintelligent at the same time like i had a full body reaction
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louis yelling “you chose the coven!” in response to her saying armand threatened her was just another instance of him failing to prioritize claudia’s well-being over whatever he was feeling at that moment, you know, something a parent should do
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ngl book louis' such a boring motherfucker compared to the show's louis, even though he's an amusing narrator sometimes
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loustat parenting
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also, dreamstat’s role literally evolves throughout the season. he’s louis’ fear/trauma/longing/guilty conscience in 2x1 but by 2x4 he’s also his buddy he’s venting his frustrations to and holds the entrance door of his apartment for
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i think ppl confuse tvl having different prose and a radically different pov character for a genre shift...i'm 20% in and it's been a 100% gothic trauma conga line so far. louis in iwtv just hasn't smiled a day in his life unlike lestat in tvl
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@angelsputinhell
because of control. coffins allow for both privacy (they’re individual) and intimacy (when sharing). armand didn’t want to give louis privacy, louis didn’t want to give armand intimacy. thus they had a big ass bed instead.
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muting this, don’t wanna see quotes about how familial love and familial abuse can’t co-exist on this tweet that came from a personal place but feel free to discuss it further & thanks for thoughtful replies!
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@angelsputinhell
moreover, him feeling so tortured bc of never actually saying it out loud only showcases it further. if i loved your less i might be able to talk about it more etc etc.
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the writers making claudia louis’ and lestat’s daughter textually and their dynamic familial is something i honestly didn’t expect from the show but something i really really like and i think the show greatly benefits from being so literal with it
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actually funny that when you think about it 90% of the loumand relationship was about lestat on both parties' sides
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can’t stop laughing thinking about rolin texting jacob IT’S CALLED AN ARC in response to him complaining about louis’ in 2x6 lol
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i’m convinced that half the problems the vamps are having come down to them not having any friends, they stop developing socially after turning and it makes them crazy eventually
lestat calling the band “my little mortal friends” :/
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no but never in any fiction have i seen anything close to the longing louis was experiencing for lestat in s2, that’s was genuinely crazy
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during the days leading up to the killing i know louis was constantly alternating between "i don't want him dead" and "but we need him dead" and "well if he's dead he won't be fucking that blonde bitch at least" as well as hoping that something goes wrong
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"soft launching incest" guys i think u overestimate what the amc intern knows about the scripts for s3 lol
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i don’t think that comparing loustat and loumand is always an abuser off bc the show itself prompts the viewer to compare the two dynamics, people turn them into abuser offs by completely ignoring louis’ own feelings and where he is wrt his relationships by the end of s2
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actually, what is armand’s most cringe moment?
romeo soliloquy
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i think the finale kinda suggested that daniel's and lestat's relationship won't be especially antagonizing besides general bitchiness. yeah daniel's louis' friend but he's really not the "everyone who ever crossed you is my enemy" type 😭 he's literally gonna fuck armand!
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i think the key to understanding talamasca is to assume they're like any other organization (kinda bad at their job). "why didn't they-" they're not very good! next question
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