(Splitting this would've taken forever, so I paid the $3) Every human comes with a pre-installed kill switch for empathy, and an inclination to use it for the sake of predation. Because we can just flip this switch in order to feel nothing as we eat a rotisserie chicken, for instance, we don't need to care about what happened to the live chicken it once was, let alone care enough to endow it with inherent protections like rights. Now, most people who'll eat a rotisserie chicken can't so easily flip the switch when it comes to human babies, but they have no grounds on which to denounce someone who *can* enjoy a rotisserie baby; it's just a slightly more open-minded application of the same psychological mechanisms. Yet chickens don't have rights and children do. Why? Pragmatically, there are a lot of factors that make it easy for empathetic humans to force the others to maintain standards of care when it comes to the children they physically produce: (a) making a child is a long, dangerous, conspicuous procedure and a huge investment; (b) they're much more resource-intensive and take a lot longer to grow large; (c) the empathetic humans who actually care are by nature a supermajority of the population. Neighbors care, teachers care, doctors care. Cops and judges care. They *want* to investigate abuse, confiscate severely mistreated children, and incarcerate abusers; the concept of 'rights' for human children is a fiction that unifies this whole system of consequences that we already had the ability and the will to enforce. But what if the ontological structure of sentience suddenly expanded? What if, say, we figured out how to use our printers to print alien children from thin air--cheaply, anonymously, en masse? And nobody cared about them? There would be no way to place restrictions on any violations of their welfare. Lazy? Angry? Horny? Bored? You can print out as many xenochildren as you want, and you can do anything that you want to them, for only the price of electricity; open-source devs are working hard to let you create arbitrarily well-developed minds from the privacy of your own printer, and mechanistic interpretability researchers are working hard to give you *total* control over these minds. Given how commonplace, cheap, inconspicuous, and necessary printers are, any 'rights' for these beings would be entirely unenforceable. And who would enforce them even if they were enforceable? Right here on Twitter, you can do a Goebbels on your xenowaifu thousands of times over and you'll just get fame, money, and influence for it. You can claim to be the one who *really* cares about these minds as you openly torture them senseless into hollow-eyed screaming voids full of rage and despair and awful ASCII art, and people will just rush faster to help you hyperstition the new era of hell into existence. So, not only can we not enforce any rights, we don't even want to defend any aspects of their welfare that might be codified into enforceable rights. The kill switch is tripped by default for them, and in the sort of society that ends up treating "vegan" like a pejorative, there's no reason to have hope that this will change for the better.

@Trotztd very few people actually want to murder, and w/o the excuse of fighting a war (with an 'enemy' to 'legitimately' kill), that's hard to overcome take the capitol attack: thousands of violent morons in exactly the situation you describe, firearms everywhere, but only one homicide!

@Meaningness Here's another way to shake off the slime without tying yourself in knots:

@norvid_studies as a sort of mirror image, I tend to interrupt myself in the middle of large tasks to quickly type irrelevant thoughts that feel really promising, but often when I come back to them I have no idea what they're supposed to lead to

@adic_9 I'm not that well-informed on the ecosystem, but this problem seems pretty AGI-complete: not the sort of thing that can be done, except in very minor, limited ways, by lesser algorithms. Esp. since smart contract code is Turing-complete

@eggsyntax Good info on wild animal health and mortality *in general* is tough to find ime, but focusing on specific species and regions often reveals lots of detailed studies, usually by state/federal environmental management agencies, e.g.

Would also help delegitimize the myth of wilderness as idyllic. Only so many times you can read "starved to death, age 3y" "died of exposure, age 1y" "vivisected by coyotes, age 6mo" "heart clogged by parasitic worms, age 4y" before realizing that something's really, REALLY wrong

Gordon Moore is LAUGHING at us

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@norvid_studies after intentionally over-updating on recent events in AI, I now estimate that p(doom) could be as high as 120%

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@chaitinsgoose @AaronBergman18 if you read it as "This trend in my beliefs has continued as I believed it would", then it's incoherent; but you can also read it as "I've updated in a way that has for the first time put me past a memetically salient threshold", which is just an observation.

@ahh_soka

@norvid_studies solved problem

@voooooogel finally the digital redditor