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Water Tower of Memories ~Past, Present, and Future~
WIP
Some flickering on the roto, but plans are to fix this and then make it HD/4k too, just a fun little wip project though!
shoutout
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for the 4k EC version and
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#cloti
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About the Church scene - A FFVII Rebirth Thread 🧵
A small analysis on the church scene between Cloud & Aerith. I'll be looking at animation, cinematography, technical differences, HA & LA, which one is 'correct,' and my thoughts on the narrative being presented.
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Let's talk about Gongaga 🧵 - Part 1
The Manipulation of Cloud Strife
Part 1 of my audiovisual analysis and breakdown of arguably the best sequence in the game from start to finish. This part covers from when Sephiroth first appears until Cloud knocks Tifa into the mako. I'm
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Sent by a friend.. guess the answer was a little more complex than just "dysfunctional" and "loaded" then.
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Let's talk about the 'Kiss' - A FFVII Rebirth Thread 🧵
A breakdown and analysis of the Tifa date in Chapter 12 at the Gold Saucer (GS). We'll be looking at animation, storytelling, music, cinematography and so on. At times there will be comparisons to the other dates--as well
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Another FFVII Rebirth scene talk/thread from yours truly. Look I hate to keep talking about the bedroom scene in Gongaga (I don't really) but let's just go into a little more detail about it, although I will do so in more detail in a later thread.
This is an overtly romantic
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Every now and then I wanna post some very small thoughts without all the flourish and visual detail of a full thread on various scenes throughout Rebirth, so here's this one for the scene between Cloud, Tifa and 'Aerith'. It won't be super detailed, just thoughts.
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The Final Fantasy 7 fanbase is genuinely made up of some of the dumbest people you will ever likely interact with on this app.
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#ThankYouMaxDood
His excitement and enthusiasm for FF7 is a shining example of the best the community has to offer and should inspire everyone who loves the game. Always look forward to what he has to say and get swept up in his passion for the game, we'd be worse off without him
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Cloud & Tifa Gongaga Scene
SPOILERS FOR REBIRTH
Okay so i've been seeing some pretty rough takes on this scene in relation to who is or isn't leaning in, who's looking confused, being taken advantage of etc etc. Made a quick little video showing what is happening 🧵
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About the 'Under the Highwind' scene, if we assume Cloud and Tifa actually did *that*... is it really so surprising to people? If you believe this is just a "gooner mindset" then I'm just going to assume you lack critical life, relationship and media experience really. Two young
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@vandalyre
Just wanted to leave a reply as you seem open to opinions on the subject. First of all, hope you enjoyed the game (as I see you have finished it now!) I must admit I haven't watched your streams so I do not know if this is your first experience with Final Fantasy or you played
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Let's talk about Tifa, Theory, and Narrative Importance - a small FFVII Thread 🧵
I just wanted to write down all the many thoughts in my head into this very small thread because I think what's going around the fanbase today has raised some interesting points and questions, and
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People are extremely afraid of having Tifa around in any significant capacity in Part 3 for some reason. Tifa is not allowed to be popular, her character is not allowed to be explored, fans aren't allowed to have expectations of her. Perhaps its better for people to start
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LOVELESS Play analysis - Rosa's🌹🧵
I'm still writing up more serious analysis threads for Rebirth but wanted to take a break to look at the LOVELESS section of the game--more specifically the segment with the three Rosa's. Reason being as I think this portion at the Gold Saucer
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There does seem to be a huge problem in the FF7 fandom of intentional mischaracterisation. Sometimes this is used to prop up another character or prop up a ship, but you often find yourself reading takes on the main characters that leave me scratching my head - and this applies
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All rights belong to Square, Tetsuya Nomura, and the incredible artist Lisa Fujise. All I did was increase the resolution to provide wallpapers for people's PC's and added some background filler.🔻
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I wanna talk about the Affinity system in Rebirth for a moment - I've mentioned it in a passing comment, and i'm going to elaborate on a proper thread in the near future. I also have a friend who is going to post a thread i'll link to that when it's up, but just wanted to write a
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Lets talk ACC and OTWTAS cause it feels like there is still a fabulous lack of understanding, I don't have all the answers of course but these are just my thoughts and opinions on the subject..
There are suggestions that Cloud built a family with Tifa and the kids whilst his
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For example, in this scene here, what is the most important shot to you? What is the shot that really conveys how Zack is truly feeling in this moment?
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I've been thinking about the best way to approach this topic for a while now, because people keep asking me my thoughts but It's touchy... so consider this my definitive answer.
Let's talk shipping.
Where do I stand with it? What's gonna happen in Part 3 and so on.
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It's not possible for Tifa to be "in the past" when she is very much front and centre in Cloud's present and future I'm tired
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Are foreshadowing and context just dead concepts in the FF7 fandom or are they only used to benefit peoples biased individual views rather than serving the story these days? Tifa plays a pivotal role in the Lifestream in the OG because it’s a huge part of her overall narrative
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I'm trying to think logically about how I come to the conclusions I come to for the Retrilogy, it's always possible I am 100% wrong of course, but I think certain ways and that conflicts with others
I'll list two LTD scenarios, tell me which one you think is more likely 🔽
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A gentle reminder also, that Cloud initiated a hand hold with Tifa directly after the lyrics "Take my hand, and believe, we can be together evermore" were sung in the NPTK performance, which was a blatantly intentional choice.
Also, you can actually see Tifa's face change as he
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Funniest moment of that Rebirth stream was Hamaguchi hinting about memorable moments later in the game and if the crowd was on the same wavelength, he said Highwind and the crowd cheered, I guarantee they were thinking of the Under the Highwind scene, and not the ship itself lol
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Don't post anything positive about Tifa, or Cloud and Tifa, don't make YouTube videos about them unless you plan to speak about Aerith too even if unrelated, don't theorise and analyse about them unless you plan to include Aerith, don't enjoy your fandom or your shipping
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It's probably Johnny or Emilio I can't tell by the glove (this is a joke please don't crucify me)
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Some things I've been ruminating over for the next thread, maybe already well established, maybe not, maybe others have had similar thoughts.. for me these are just theories before I write up the full thread properly, these are not necessarily finalised ideas nor are they
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Do people not think before they type and read before they send anymore? This fandom truly is just cooked and I don't think anybody deserves Part 3 to be honest. How tf are Nomura's quotes even driving this kind of discourse.
"Yeah so we have dual heroines"
'NO Aerith is the
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Gonna be bold and a little controversial here, and trust me I don't say this lightly at all, FFX holds a special place inside... but, briefly going back to that discussion of romance from yesterday, with Part 3 of the Retrilogy I personally think SE and the devs have the
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Let's talk about 'Affection' - A mini FFVII Rebirth 🧵
Outside of the Gongaga Part 2 thread--which is comingly along nicely--I'm making content for the Cloud and Tifa celebration weekend the 6th and 7th of July, but I wanna get this off my chest now as I'm talking about it with
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The Cloud and Tifa dynamic to me is... yes they aren't perfect in many ways, they are in sync in some ways but not in others, It's hard for two adults to navigate a relationship with two different people coming together in the most natural of circumstances, yet they also have to
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The absolute nerve to peddle a block list when y’all are the ones constantly coming to our side to harass, spread hate & falsehoods on our threads & trash our appreciation posts w/ lies & mischaracterizations.
Hopefully this means we’ll see less of y’all, but somehow I doubt it.
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So the "alternate worlds" are not only the dreams, wishes and memories of characters in the story via the Lifestream, it's also a meta commentary on the players dreams, wishes, and memories of how they wish or misremember how Final Fantasy 7 played out since the OG. The "Reunion
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~ Water Tower of Memories v2.0 ~
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Regardless of if you are a shipper or not, I think this shit is embarassing for the fandom at large - the fact that the devs said this. They are mocking it because it's just not that deep to them, but they are obviously aware of what's been going on for a long time
The audience didn’t seem to mind that he picked Tifa because she made the most sense ✨ the devs clapping and smiling along, and then the casual shade thrown at antis by Kitase lol.
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Being a man in the FF7 fandom is a big rock and a hard place situation, because you have to sit there and share it with some of the most cringe inducing, truth twisting, incel's you will ever come across who like either targeting fictional women in the game or real life women on
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These characters are sat on a hilly area, you can see the single pauldron and the 3 dots on it on Cloud's left shoulder, and you can see Tifa's obvious black hair and ponytail/dolphin. It also has Stargazer on it, something that is referenced through Remake in Stargazer Heights
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The small Cloud leans in thread is doing the rounds again, appreciate that. However, here's a slightly more updated video that is less convoluted in text and shows an additional clip of Cloud's hair moving in relation to his own movement. Apologies for the quality!
Cloud & Tifa Gongaga Scene
SPOILERS FOR REBIRTH
Okay so i've been seeing some pretty rough takes on this scene in relation to who is or isn't leaning in, who's looking confused, being taken advantage of etc etc. Made a quick little video showing what is happening 🧵
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Another streamer being harassed and publicly mocked. All they are trying to do is enjoy the game how they want to but we can't have that apparently. Regardless of ship/character preference people should be able to enjoy the game how they want to without fear of being put in the
I'm usually quiet about my Rebirth clips being posted around, but I need speak up for myself. Because it's always backed with hate and bashing. I'm labeled a "Cloti" and I'm an "Aerith hater" etc. Number 1, I'm a Valenwind. Number 2, I don't hate Aerith. Stop this.
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You have people like Yoki that do great services for the community by translating moments like these, and then there are others desperately twisting themselves into knots trying to disprove them, the community is embarrassing at times it’s fair to say.
Umm, sorry but he DID say
「どれを選択してもうまく繋がるように作ってあるので、本当に凄い作品」
-This game is amazing because it’s designed to make sure whichever (date) you choose, it’ll lead smoothly into (the following) story.
That’s easy to see if you watch ALL his streaming
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I think regardless of what you feel about any character relationship in FF7, there is a massive chasm of difference between a character - well known for calling outings dates - going “haha this is a date” and two characters actually, seriously, dating each other.
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Very controversial riding the train thought that messes with an iconic moment of FF7..
I think in Part 3 we’re going to see the burial of Aerith in the lake, just as we see in the OG. The thing is.. if Cloud is under the impression at the end of the sequence that Aerith is
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I'm telling you now Cloud and Tifa's connection is closer than it has ever been before, and i'm not just talking on a physical or romantic level. Something spiritually has changed in this Retrilogy, or has become more realised now that we can get more visual clarity and context.
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If i've said it once i've said it a thousand times by now, why would the developers create "routes" in Rebirth that directly contradict the whole narrative they are building. That makes no logical sense when they could easily insert things in the game to please players that don't
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Yup. If anyone thinks the devs would do Cloud like this, that he would, for example, treat Tifa of all people like this based off of petty jealousy and fickle emotions then you aren’t playing Final Fantasy 7, you’re watching a Netflix teen drama.
Theres this Mischaracterization going around about Cloud that I think should be somewhat talked about because in shipping, changing a characters personality to try and sabotage or fit a ship is something no shipper should do.
Video Link in the comments below!
#FFVIIRebirth
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As i've said a million times before, there are shit people on all sides, i'm not so dumb to think that there aren't shitty male Cloud and Tifa fans too so I try to call people out whenever I actually see any bad tweets or speak to the people involved... but you see, you have to
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They really want to clear up the inconsistencies and misconceptions that have been created ever since the OG in 1997, either by players own wishes for the story or their misunderstandings, or through differences in the compilation content and ultimanias. Good, as it should be.
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Now the shot i'm sure everyone wanted to see, the 'nearly' moment. What's interesting about this shot is that all 3 have very noticeable differences, the cinematography is unique for each. The camera, the animation, everything.
Aerith = This version is what I would consider the
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Massive props as always to yoki, Jidat and Hayashi for their efforts in translating Yama’s streams for everyone… and i’m sorry but if I speak. Like, is this not all we’ve been saying for weeks? Confirming your thoughts when it feels like you’ve been speaking into the void.
Yama's comment for Tifa date. He was very talkative during and after the date😁
He got very surprised when he first read the script and felt the weight of responsibility to act this scene. He performed with great attention to detail, such as the direction of Cloud's body.
#cloti
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Regardless of shipping or how you believe this game/Retrilogy ends, if you think what happened in Rebirth was a cheek kiss, like truly devoted to this train of thought, there really is no helping you at this point
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Just wanted to say I appreciate everyone who has recently followed, shared or said kind words on my recent threads.
It’s been great to talk to a lot of you, regardless on if we agree or not, and a lot of you have been really welcoming to the community so thank you. I’ve been
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Tifa, as an example, seems to get it daily and I cannot really understand why. She is constantly portrayed as being one of the strongest, most empathetic characters, who had to pull herself up from devastating circumstances, she is described in TOTP I believe, by Aerith, as
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A YT'er, who by all accounts seems extremely nice, harmless and just loving the game.. providing free content for people and enjoying the game how they want to play (liking CT and Tifa) saying that they didn't want to upload the next part because they're so disheartened by being
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Essentially then, you can play the OG if you want, because it’s still valid, or you can skip the OG entirely and just play the entire Retrilogy, or you can play both, it’s all valid depending on how you want to play.
What we’re getting now is an updated version of that OG for
Asked if FF7R is a replacement for the OG, in which case people don’t need to play the OG, or if it's more like a complement—preferring people to play the OG and then play the Remake Project, Yoshinori Kitase said it really depends on how you look at it. (TrueGaming, 2024) (1/4)
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So it’s basically going to be the OG with extra content and context to incorporate the wider compilation whilst improving parts of OG that needed it (like Gongaga?) That’s what it sounds like anyway, and it’s not like they haven’t said similar things before
Toriyama said that for the Remake project they aim to elaborate the good parts in OG while creating a new scheme/mechanism for things they think need to be improved in OG. However they'll make sure the new elements will not ruin the OG story and it will stay true to OG series.
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FF7 shipping discourse about to go nuclear
X/Twitter is reportedly set to remove the block button
If the blocked account is public, it will still be visible to you
via
@nima_owji
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In relation to the characters emotions and feelings in this scene I feel like it's important to really analyse the detailed and nuanced facial animations this game has been loaded with.
Cloud initially gasps and is rendered surprised when Tifa suddenly takes his hand and
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For me it's this shot right here, it's this shot, this close up staging and camera angle, and this subtle animation that lets the audience know that actually Zack is not happy, if anything the subtle mouth movements are one of somebody who is genuinely trying to hold themselves
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This is brilliant btw, love this answer from Britt, you really get the sense that she IS Tifa and really understands the character dynamics and relationships well - on top of the incredible performances of course. Genuinely couldn’t have picked anyone better to voice her.
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One more time at 50% speed, and a close up, watch Cloud's eye movement and facial reaction, he hears the sigh, realises something is wrong by Tifa's sigh, and it triggers a reaction.
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Scenario 1
- Cloud and Aerith develop a great relationship over Remake and Rebirth, it's a close bond where there may or may not be deeper feelings on Aerith's side, she is unsure. She also still holds a candle for Zack. They hold hands on the Gondola.
- Cloud and Tifa develop a
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This here now the most 'controversial' element;
After Tifa tells Cloud she hasn't spoken to Aerith yet, Cloud says
"Touchy subject huh? She must still have feelings for Zack."
Now this has been debated to death at this point and has resulted in some pretty wild character
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All Cloud does is smirk, turn and continue smirking to a nonexistant Aerith, who he seems to believe is there, yet clearly to the audience and Tifa she isn't, and just walks away. Again, you're telling me Cloud who is hyper aware of even the slightest wrong with Tifa see's Tifa
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Cloud and Tifa watertower EC release cleaned and upscaled from low res to high res. Will upload soon in clean 4k and UWS for Wallpaper Engine and static wallpaper usage, should anyone want!
Twitter is really crushing the image quality here - trust me looks good on my screen
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Everyone was Yuffie, then everyone hated Yuffie
NEVER HAVE I EVER RELATED MORE TO A “FUCK” IN MY LIFE
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Massive massive WIP, missing FX, sound, balancing, clips etc, and of course everything subject to change, but wanted to show a sneak peak of something i'm working on.
Coming soon!
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Wanna make this pre-thread tweet before Part 1 goes up tomorrow. A lot has been written and i've gathered my reference materials and it's all going to go into a 3-part thread for the Gongaga sequence, split thus;
Part 1 - The Manipulation of Cloud Strife - Covering from the
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All these characters do their absolute best for each other whenever they can, are they perfect? No of course not. Do they have flaws? Absolutely they do. Do they sometimes clash? Yes! But to suggest that these characters are intentionally out do their absolute worst to each other
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Last topic of discussion before I give my conclusion..
@SafaiaArt
has kindly given me permission to use their artwork for this tweet. I couldn't think of a better representation of the point I wanted to make with such amazing artwork.
Fan expectation.
The thing about Cloud
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Appreciate you will have to pause the video to see the intended annotation but in running through the video i've tried to differentiate the movements of the camera and the characters in relation to speed and positioning.
You can see the camera zoom in and later pan is consistant
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ZA reunion
Emotional narrative climax in Lifestream
Physical narrative climax in UTH
Cloud and Aerith will see each other at the end after she reaches out her hand and she finally meets the real him
Cloud says goodbye to ZA and is guilt free (maybe even Tifa see’s Aerith)
FF7 Rebirth Co. Director Motomu Toriyama says Part 3’s ending will be even more moving than the original!
"I want to promise that we will resolve all the mysteries that were opened up in the ending of Rebirth and deliver an even more moving ending than the original."
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Damn what the hell, they went in on this
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It isn’t cool to suggest that, unlike FF8, 9, 10, a major theme running through FF7’s narrative is about love and romance. The topic is avoided like the plague by virtually everybody except shippers, but take the shipping out of it and you realise just how important it is to the
Understanding the Romantic Narrative Arcs in Final Fantasy VII
A Thread 🧵⬇️
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Aside from
@FFVIImusic
finding another great discovery, there's this little tidbit of info for those misunderstanding Tifa and her motivations in this game. No, she isn't intentionally trying to make Cloud worse by lying to him, she is doubting her own memories to the point of
Last thing about this scene: apparently, Tifa actually says something about the Whispers possibly having removed her memories of what happened at Nibelheim, which is why she doesn't remember Cloud being there. This was changed drastically in the English localization.
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Can’t go one day without somebody reducing Tifa and Cloud’s attraction to her down to her body and lack of clothes as i’ve said before, just say you think Tifa is a piece of meat and stop trying to wax philosophical
@M1ss_Chievous
@anageorcosmos
@Falkurion
@KenMastersUSA
@StygianSis
In order to make the claim you are making, you have to ignore
-Cloud’s reaction to being told not to fall in love with her
-Other moments like him being in awe and flustered seeing her in a dress, whereas that only happens w/ tifa when she’s wearing less clothes
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If multiple universes exist inside FF7 what is the actual point in anything? There’s no stakes, no emotional weight. Aerith dies but oh well there’s at least 10+ more living in other universes anyway, Claudia dies, Jessie, Biggs, Wedge dies but who cares there’s 10+ more of them
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@SafaiaArt
So my conclusion..
Well my conclusion is the scene is a masterpiece, dripping in romantic tension and a healthy amount of romantic tropes to show just how dedicated to their craft these developers are in showing you the relationship development between Cloud and Tifa.
The scene
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I said I wouldn't say more on it and I don't wanna be that person.. but seeing people who clearly have absolutely no knowledge of what they are talking about in relation to the production of scenes like these suddenly start talking like seasoned vets is funny. Using all the big
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I have never had to wield the block button as much as I have today.
Listen regardless of what my ‘biases’ are I don’t care if you are shippers of Cloud and Aerith or Cloud and Tifa, hell even Zack and Cloud or whatever else, if you’re respectful and friendly then i’m more than
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This is how i’ve personally interpreted the Retrilogy and the events in the game. Just my opinion that is neither more or less correct than anyone else’s. Bearing in mind this is within the framework of what developers have stated multiple times about keeping things relatively
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Aerith's face here is.. pretty hard to take, she looks almost happy for a moment, maybe expecting a better response from Cloud, before she looks somewhat crushed by what he said instead. I think it's at this point she really understands the difference between how they view their
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The main culprit of this of course comes down to the kiss between Cloud and Tifa at the Gold Saucer, this being called OOC for Cloud's character or purely fanservice and nothing more or just a 'what if' scenario and so on.
The problem is.. why would the developers do this? If
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Shameless plug after Yamazaki-san’s great comments on the scene. Gives me even more appreciation for the amount of thought and work he and the other actors/VA’s/animators and more put into these scenes and what it means to them to create these moments for the players.
Let's talk about the 'Kiss' - A FFVII Rebirth Thread 🧵
A breakdown and analysis of the Tifa date in Chapter 12 at the Gold Saucer (GS). We'll be looking at animation, storytelling, music, cinematography and so on. At times there will be comparisons to the other dates--as well
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Marlene;
Dyne and Eleanor - Biological parents
Barret - Adoptive Father
Tifa - Parental/Mother figure
Cloud - Parental/Father figure; particularly in Barret's absence
Denzel
Abel and Chloe - Biological parents
Tifa - Parental/Mother figure
Cloud - Parental/Father figure
Aerith
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What I find interesting is that Cloud doesn't seem to have any idea, at first, of the place Aerith is alluding to. Infact she pretty much has to spell it out to him in order for him to get a clue, and even then he seems to essentially just follow her. In this regard Cloud
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Somehow it gets even more peak
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If you've made it this far through this, admittedly, long ass thread then thank you and I hope you got a little something out of it and enjoyed reading. Again, these are mostly for my own thoughts more than anything but always happy to know somebody enjoyed it regardless.
Next
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Next let's talk animation
- Cloud's initial turn towards Tifa, the open mouth and then then the slight upcurl of the lips as he smiles
- Tifa's joy at the fireworks before noticing Cloud's stare
- Cloud's shock at being caught staring, before looking away and then moving closer
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Safaia is a treasure in this fandom, amazing art as always
"But this time... I think it'll be okay. Because this time I have you."
"We've kind of always had each other, haven't we?"
"Yeah. But now I know what that means."
#クラティ
#cloti
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He is being kept in the delusion, either of his own making, or others. You're telling me Cloud would take this tone with Tifa despite no precedent of ever doing it before? That Aerith would just stare and smirk at Tifa like this as she sits grieving alone? If you're asking me,
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Okay lets talk about this Nomura interview, firstly though obviously we don't know that these are 100% correct in terms of translation, so maybe these change somewhat as more people get their hands on them.
First - Tifa and Aerith. Nomura confirms that they are infact both
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Now you tell me which scenario is more logical in the way the games have played out, and how it will play out in Part 3. Which scenario is more attuned to the characters and the story of Final Fantasy 7? This is how the LTD is essentially split, at this point.
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So... if the intention is to clear up player distortions and misconceptions about the story then it would stand to reason that, regardless on who it pleases, or what ship it benefits, regardless of what "route" you play, every scene in the Retrilogy so far has a purpose and a
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So not a “A Tender Kiss (on the cheek)” or “A Jealous Kiss” then? Surprising that.
Special Gold Saucer CD with all the date and mini-game music!
@FFVIImusic
Will be sold at TGS.
Tifa’s date music track title:
“Words Drowned Out by Fireworks—“
JP: —Embraced in the Fireworks
EN: —A Tender Kiss
Gotta cover both 🥰🥰🥰
#Cloti
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We're gonna quote it again cause nearly 5million views and over 134k likes? The people want what they want, and they want more Cloud and Tifa, give it to them!
NEVER HAVE I EVER RELATED MORE TO A “FUCK” IN MY LIFE
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As i've mentioned in multiple threads at this point, everything I say is a personal interpretation, that means, yes, it might not align with your own personal views, which should be fine. It also means I may be right or I may be wrong which is fine.
The fun is just in the
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