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The church has a crisis on its hands. As younger generations increasingly decide to leave religious institutions, they leave their parents behind to wonder where it went wrong. Half filled pews with older parents who are sad, confused and probably feel like failures. Why? 1/
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As members of the church we have to cut it out with this sad countenance garbage. There are happy people outside the church and sad people in it. You don’t have any special powers to determine someone’s mental state by looking at them.
@latterdaycasper
Does he look sad to anyone else? His countenance isn't the same. I hope he finds his way back.
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I think the church should do a hard pivot, and make missions humanitarian based and service oriented. I also think that they should pay for 100 percent of this effort. They will convert way more people this way and do good things for society.
More LDS missionaries than ever are serving while dealing with depression, anxiety, OCD, insomnia and other mental health challenges — and mission presidents are having to adapt to this new reality. Former missionaries, what was your experience?
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Are we just going to ignore the elephant in the room? The church is highlighting the fact that she went directly against church teachings at the time and received personal revelation that was at odds with current teachings. Oaks commending her for it is wild.
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I’m often a harsh critic of the Mormon church, because my expectations are high… but I have to give kudos when they do good things. Using their buildings to ease human suffering is a good thing.
For the first time ever, Utah County will shelter the homeless overnight this winter with a network of community churches.
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The far left is leaving, the far right is revolting, the youth are leaving and the parents that remain, feel like shit. Great job LDS church.
#GenConf
#hearhim
#imamormon
#sadheaven
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Can we as a church please knock it off with this shit? Dude destroyed lives and 53 people sent in letters of support. 53! What is wrong with people? Is this church safe for my kids?
"At Wold's sentencing, he reportedly had 53 letters of support for a reduced sentencing. [L]etters from former bishops + stake presidents noted [he was] an Eagle scout, a BYU graduate, a temple married Latter-day Saint + a "worthy" LDS priesthood holder."
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Because that is exactly what the church has taught and continues to teach. There is a certain cruelty in creating an atmosphere where parents are ashamed of their children for making decisions that they disagree with. Garbage like this continues to be taught from the pulpit 2/
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This attitude reeks of fear and desperation. I feel like the church needs to do a hard pivot and celebrate agency. Even when it is difficult. No one goes through life on a smooth and straight path. We all face obstacles and sometimes choose to “get lost”. If the church is 3/
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Ah shit. Never mind then. I figured the predominant Christian church in the state would be included in this. I guess I should have actually read the article. My bad for having the lowest of expectations for the institutional church. 😩
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Yo bishop! Don’t act like you didn’t know that fellow saints have weaponized this to bludgeon our lgbtq siblings. Think of the most vulnerable in your congregation.
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Built upon the foundation of Christ, it must be long suffering. It must be loving. It must make space for ALL of Gods children. Whatever that looks like. Messages like ^ only serve to isolate parents from children and reinforce to children that leaving was the right decision. 4/
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Anyone who is interested in nerdy Mormon stuff needs to read this study. My anecdotal observations are confirmed. The Mormon church is facing a steep decline in membership. 40 percent of my generation (roughly) left the church between 2002-2012.
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Mormonism has such a hold on its members that for generations, most people had no issue sending their children alone, to speak with an adult man who was going to ask their child about sexual matters. Eventually, after some hard lessons were learned and Sam Young got kicked out
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@FranticlyZach3
@ReggiSaxx
You a rapist as well Zach? Is defending rape something you do between call of duty matches?
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These comments... Oooof.
When it's an old white dude, y'all are pissed off. When it's a young black teen, y'all shrug and say he should have complied. You can't have it both ways.
JUST IN: The FBI reports the Provo man who allegedly threatened President Joe Biden pointed a revolver at agents during his arrest.
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@eleighbarrett
I've heard that they don't due to liability or insurance. Whatever that means. The church has enough money to be self insured. What is strange is that other churches figure this sort of thing out, why can't we?
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Uh oh. I doubt the church likes this. Answering the door with his AR-15 in his garments. Also, kids... Don't tell the cops that you could snipe them if you wanted to.
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The older I get, the more I am convinced that it is cruel to expect the upper echelon of church leaders to hold their callings until they die. Their families are being robbed of time that could be cherished together in the final years of their lives........
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What is it with these guys and telling members to leave, and expressing joy when they do? So much ego.
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The church has a deznat problem that they need to address.... But, they probably won't.
Soft Doxxing - A 🧵
What’s up, Twitter friends? Im going public. I’m Rob but you know me as Cultural Hall. I’m tweeting live from sunny Florida ☀️😎 That’s me down there with my little dude 👇🏼
You might be asking why go public? Please read on.
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It's hilarious to me that parents are concerned about what might be the second or third most conservative major university in the United States. If you think BYU is liberal, then you better just make sure your kids stay home. Heaven forbid they expand their views a bit.
Read about
@RealTStevenson
’s personal BYU experience in his Open Letter to the
@BYU
administration.
From the
@TheCougChron
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Lately I’ve been getting lots of responses from faithful members that go something along these lines…
THEY NEVER TAUGHT THAT!
I show where they did
THAT WAS JUST ADVICE!
I show that we can’t receive revelation which contradicts the prophet
THEY DON’T TEACH THAT NOW!!
Irrelevant
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Hot Take: quit talking about people’s underwear. It’s weird. It’s private. You should be embarrassed.
Hot take: If you can't wear your garments with your Halloween costume, pick a different costume.
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“It’s the circle game!”
I’m sorry your little game got taken over by vile racists. If you don’t want to be mistaken for vile racists then maybe quit posing for pics while flashing said sign. Also grow up and uh, avoid the very appearance of evil. That’s a thing we’ve been taught
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@MattB_Radio
Come on guys. Give him a break. Who among us hasn't made a tweet defending abuse and pedophilia? We need to give him the benefit of the doubt, obviously we are misunderstanding something here./s
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@ScripturePlus
Quit playing games. It’s dishonest. The church used to teach this. It was doctrine. These tricks you guys play is part of the reason why members like me are embarrassed when friends ask about your account. Dishonest apologetics only harm the church.
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Do people just not know how Joseph treated Emma?
We often talk of the great men that have been called to the work, but if you listen closely to his talks,
@NelsonRussellM
often talks of his wives. He often reminisces on his time with Dantzel and her influence on him.
After Dantzel’s passing, he married Wendy and speaks often
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Who among us hasn’t lost our shit and lashed out with homophobic slurs and threats of physical violence? Hey james… might want to raise your expectations a bit.
This is pretty funny 😂. I don't understand why people are getting mad at
@Manhattva
for this because we ALL have moments where we lose our temper when people push our buttons, and honesty these cyclists had it coming for harassing people, so give the man some grace and stop
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@jdillydalley
Yep. If you look in their handbook it explicitly states that the funeral should be used to preach the gospel and not to put too much emphasis on the deceased.
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When will we stop saying this. It simply isn't true. The author explains that top leadership receives a stipend. So... Apostles aren't ministry? Also... A stipend means they get paid. The second statement is stated as fact, when in actuality... We don't know. We have no idea.
From this article: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has no paid ministry."
Is that true?
Thanks for reading!
Join us to discuss this on next episode of the MormonNewsRoundup live on YouTube every Sunday at 9:30pm EST
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When the church fired its janitors, so members could gain the blessings of scrubbing toilets... I was surprised. But this? Why are they so cheap?
Seems like this should be a community thing, that if the church is going to sponsor it, shouldn’t they be purchasing the trees? Feels off.
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@deseretian
@byuhawaii
Sounds like a kickass professor who has true empathy for others. Glad to see it. Thanks for posting this. It really brightened my day.
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Mormon history nerds,
Has anyone done a deep dive into the "indian placement programs" that the church used to run? I've seen a few short articles, but am looking to see what the parallels are between these and the horrific schools in Canada.
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Lots of active members drink coffee. You don’t have to leave. Lots of members have extra marital affairs. You don’t have to leave. Lots of members have the occasional glass of wine. You don’t have to leave. People don’t leave the church to sin. We are already sinning. All of us
@aureliawelde
Yet these are activists who answer these polls and so authenticity and honesty on these polls are not reliable. It’s the first thing they often brag about, the drinking the sex, and oh yea the coffee… lots of selfies with coffee.
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@tamarranicole
The lds church doesn’t notify people when teachings change. They just pretend it’s always been this way. I find it deeply problematic.
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@DeseretDagger
@harambevan
When our prophet has asked us to “root out racism” and “lead out in abandoning attitudes and actions of prejudice”, and you guys allegedly say nothing when this disgusting rhetoric is spewed forth… it is kinda tough to buy the whole “follow the prophet” message you push.
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“Seek ye out of the best books”
Disclaimer: only if they are written by active, temple worthy members of the Mormon church.
There is no end to the adversary’s deceptions. Please be prepared. Never take counsel from those who do not believe. -
@NelsonRussellM
#GeneralConference
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@FoxMakes
@Michi191
@tim42060688
@mattxiv
That is different. You are at least acknowledging who your daughter is.
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Holy shit. Why can’t this dude just stay cancelled?
“In that moment of crisis….the nonbelievers are the ones who will step on anybody they have to in order to get to their own selfish desire and reach their own selfish goal”
-Brad Wilcox
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@religiongal
Hey Peggy. Have you ever thought about doing an article exploring the issue of missionaries going without enough food, proper medical care, and living in horrible conditions? I'm sure these could be part of the reason for higher rates of depression and anxiety.
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@_skyler_austin_
Yet another post that ignores the real harm that the church does to some people. The responsibility to create healthy environments for LGBTQ+ individuals lies with all of us, and the leaders of the church. "I kill myself and ask forgiveness" is NOT a loving atmosphere.
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Yo kevin. Quit staring at women in yoga pants trying to figure out what underwear they are wearing. It makes you look like a pervert.
LDS Church steps up this message: Wear your temple garments every day
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@RyanRagnar
@janariess
@LDSchurch
@RNS
@bobsmietana
Yeah. When you quote someone, you attribute it... So there is no confusion as to whose ideas they are. Saying that this is a non story is just defending the reckless behavior of a highly educated man. He knows better. He should do better.
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When you aren’t willing to be honest about why people leave the church, you have to find someone to blame. Sure. Let’s put this on faithful parents. Perfect plan.
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@SadLittleStream
Why did they get rid of the other kids? Also don't like them ripping off other artists'work. Did they even cite the painting it came from?
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@JediJames95
@Manhattva
We all have moments where we lose our temper…. But not all of us have acted like this. Dude could have just done what mature people do in this situation and just drove away, but he had a little boy temper tantrum.
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@heavenlymotherr
Why are people like this? Why doesn’t child abuse entirely negate the urge to call them “good people”. Clearly they aren’t.
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@SallyGirl
It’s pretty sad that South Park was more honest than the Mormon church at that point.
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Mormons. Quit being creepy.
Went to church with my mom. Got the garment feel-up. At least the Easter program was nice.
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Everyone. The issue isn’t getting an education. (Though I think it could be argued that at times it wasn’t encouraged for women). It’s the fact that she received personal revelation to work outside the home in direct conflict with the teachings at the time. That’s all.
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This whole thing is horrific. I’m glad the church isn’t sweeping this under the rug. It’s interesting that they highlight the fact that this is a voluntary mission while at the same time a church leader recently said we already covenanted to go before we were born. Pearson maybe?
UPDATE: The LDS church issued the following statement in response to KUTV's request:
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What is it with these guys downplaying alleged sexual predation? If this is true, this isn't a little mistake... actually, if half the allegations are true, Tim Ballard is a monster.
I spoke with one of female victims coming forward against Tim Ballard today for over an hour ... Here are my thoughts.
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Thought about it for about half a second. Nope. His views on race were vile. They were vile then, they are vile now. This idea that we cannot judge evil now when others were able to make the right choice back then is asinine.
#deznat
@BradRTorgersen
@rykerjackson97
Perhaps we should consider whether Brother Brigham had a valid point in his views on race rather than instantly dismissing him because we can’t see beyond our post-1960s “one race the human race” programming
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Ah yes. The trivial details around Joseph Smith, the Prophet of the Restoration. Did he betray his wife and have sex with other women? What about teenagers? Who cares?!?! It’s trivial!
@stackerco
@chuckles_76
Antis seem to hyperfocus on trivial details and miss the entire point of the gospel.
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@LDSMormon
This whole idea of never criticizing our leaders is garbage. Sure, you shouldn't seek to tear down individuals... But some criticisms are valid and needed. If they are abusing people, they need to be criticized. If their teachings are harmful, they need to be criticized.
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@AP
The church takes abuse so seriously that they refuse to make background checks mandatory and have still not put windows in every classroom door. Oh, and they still have their bishops ask minors sexually explicit questions behind closed doors. But... they take abuse seriously.
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I wonder if it is a subtle cue to members, that we in fact worship….. money. As an institution, we sure act like it.
The
#LDS
Church does not allow wards to display pictures of Jesus in their chapels.
Does anyone know why?
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@Ch_JesusChrist
@AP
They go on and on about how seriously they take abuse, yet still don't have windows in every classroom door, and still don't have background checks for those who work with the youth. (Weirdly enough, they do in the UK). With the wealth they hoard, they could fix this tomorrow.
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Members said enough is enough. Right around that same time, by divine revelation… parents could now sit in on these “worthiness” interviews. Hooray! Now we are seeing the same thing regarding garments. In what world do we think it is ok for old men to comment on or discuss the
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@LDSMormon
@FabioBYU
What a garbage take by yet another anonymous Mormon account. So much judgement and pride. You're embarrassing fellow members. Grow up.
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How people think The First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 are infallible is beyond me.
How people think The First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 are evil men is beyond me.
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Adding context doesn't help make this quote any less disgusting.
@matthewallen
@mormons_speak
@Ch_JesusChrist
@BednarDavidA
Dishonest edits distort context, fuel bigotry, and emulate white supremacy rhetoric. Both-siding this is reprehensible. You should be ashamed of yourself.
At no point is victim blaming happening here. Is repugnant they’re trying to dishonestly make it appear otherwise.
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It’s silly how much effort Mormon church leaders will go to in order to preserve prophetic authority and yet will repeatedly throw the dead ones under the bus at every turn. Elder Oaks chastising those who focus on dead prophets while quoting a dead prophet is 🧑🍳😘
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@LDSMormon
Remember how transparent Joseph Smith was about practicing polygamy. What a great example. He kept Emma in the loop, every step of the way!
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@whitecatprophcy
The measly stipend. We legit had missionaries going hungry because we weren’t allowed to go to dinner with members unless they brought an investigator. Luckily some elders had debit cards from home. They helped their less fortunate companions.
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Underwear our wives and daughters are wearing? Recently a church leader discussed that they are concerned with the fact that so many women are wearing yoga pants. As if they are looking real hard to see what type of underwear they are wearing beneath the workout pants. I feel
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Next time grandma chides you for drinking coffee, just tell her you received person revelation from God, and he’s cool with it. ☕️
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@annamerlan
Cashmere is a beautiful town. Please don't judge the area by this horrible interaction. Aaron needs to get outside more.
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Respectfully, if you don't think things improve in the church due to public pressure, then I don't think you've been paying attention. Almost every major positive change in the church has been due in part to public, internal pressure.
@stackerco
Yes on both counts but I actually have zero issues with the second one. If you're going to be Mormon then that's the deal. If you don't like it then get out. There's no "fixing it from the inside".
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@_Kristine_A
Don’t focus on teachings of dead prophets! Now I will illustrate this in greater depth…. By using a quote from a dead prophet.
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@the_churchnews
Guess what? The brethren are not perfect or above constructive criticism. This is a horrible idea that only serves to show the youth the hypocrisy of our leaders. Case in point... The sec scandal. Are those leaders facing disciplinary councils like every other member would be?
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@slc_saint
I don’t think the stone is the issue for many people. It’s the fact that the church denied that he used a rock in a hat for so many years, and then South Park made them come clean. It’s the dishonesty that is the issue.
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Same dude who is perving on women wearing yoga pants is the guy who said any time you hear “lds church” you can substitute it with “Jesus”. Yep. Same guy.
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@FirmesConstante
@mbenjamin_msw
@Ch_JesusChrist
Maybe you should stop standing up for a stake presidency who sides with sex abusers over victims. This isn't too complicated.
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@allitude
It looks bad. Wait…. It is bad. The spirit just confirmed it to me via personal revelation.
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Yo
@Ch_JesusChrist
this is how you make an apology. Maybe Dan does consultations. Just off the top of my head, SEC scandal, sex abuse coverups, racism... That's a good start.
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@FabioBYU
It is an unhinged view of agency. Like... Opposite of what the war in heaven was fought over.
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Like that is disgusting and deeply problematic. Notice we aren’t seeing any comments about men and their “lackadaisical attitude” about wearing garments. Why is that? (We know why). As per usual, the church cannot stop stepping in it and this is going
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@metteharrison
Had someone today try to explain to me the difference between policy and doctrine. I told him that the church gets those things confused at times, so no wonder the rest of us have trouble sorting it out.
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If Timmy has 10k pages from Nephi, would that mean we have new scripture? I'm so glad the heavens are not sealed. Maybe we will hear more at General Conference.
#genconf
#hearhim
#lighttheworld
#mormon
#lds
#twitterstake
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@JtBabicora
I heard it framed from the
@BlackMenaces
I think (Correct me if I am wrong) That Holland was telling him something to the effect of, only the most righteous are persecuted... like the apostle Paul etc.
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To be a firestorm that could have completely been avoided if old men kept their perverted thoughts to themselves and continued to allow individuals to choose when and how to wear the garment. Younger generations are already leaving and this will not help them want to stay.
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@religiongal
Yes. It is a part of the repentance process. Institutionally, the church has to confront this. Start by disavowing the whole “the church doesn’t apologize” garbage.
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The LDS church wants an apology for something that MIGHT have actually happened, but as a matter of principle, does not apologize for its verifiable racist past. Do I have that right? They kept people from being exalted due to the color of their skin. Quit acting like victims
It is a tragedy only in that almost nobody that attacked BYU and its students cared enough about the facts to take a step back and be more measured in their response,
@PaulZeise
writes. ⬇️
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Let us make a list of the ways in which the Mormon church has painted itself into corners. A thread....
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Not sure how you can defend Joseph on this one. Imagine the pressure put on her. Her families eternal existence was at stake. Top shelf coercion right there. I say this all the time. No one is asking you to defend Joseph for his horrific acts. You don’t have to. Quit it.
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“Anti Mormon” = scare tactics. They call it that because they don’t trust you to think critically. It’s all just information. Sift through it. Lots of stuff in the Gospel Topics Essays used to be “anti Mormon” when I was growing up. Antis were more honest than the church 🤷🏽♂️
@Eternal_Saints_
There's no list. It's just the prophets tell you not to read anti Mormon literature. So that's a lot of books/articles you can't read of you also want to be obedient.
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@SISTASinZION
For a church that is sitting on at least 100B (allegedly) they should have recalled all the printed books and sent out corrected copies or at least had bishops announce the error and direct members to the digital copy.
@LDSchurch
do better.
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@ThoughtfulSaint
They respond: "to find greater happiness"
You respond: "it's not worth following your path".
You aren't doing LDS members any favors with your judgement.
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@takeoutphoto
@harambevan
I totally agree… but am not super hopeful that anything will be done. I hope I’m wrong.
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