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Map showing genetic distance to a merchant/auxiliary/legionary dated to the early 2nd century AD, found in Viminacium.
Previously thought to be Nubian, but now potentially a Somali Guardafuiaen merchant.
Y-DNA: E-V32 (80% of Somali males carry)
mtDNA: L2a1j (common in Somalis)
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Tears in my eyes... this is so incredibly shit
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The first image shows the closest modern populations to the 16-year-old merchant/auxiliary.
Second is a depiction of the inhabitants of Regio Cinnamafore (coastal Northern Somalia) based on the writings of Strabo in the 1st century BC.
Third is a reconstruction of Viminacium.
Map showing genetic distance to a merchant/auxiliary/legionary dated to the early 2nd century AD, found in Viminacium.
Previously thought to be Nubian, but now potentially a Somali Guardafuiaen merchant.
Y-DNA: E-V32 (80% of Somali males carry)
mtDNA: L2a1j (common in Somalis)
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Those weren’t “Somalians”. There’s nothing at all to suggest they were and they do not look Somali.
Even if they were, there would be nothing to gain if your motivations are consistent with your “us” worldview. Hop tf off.
I remember a viral video of Somalians (broad brushed with "Africans") being mocked for putting out a fire using rocks. Meanwhile, these guys on the right in Gulmarg are being regarded as innovative and courageous for using...rocks to put out a fire.
This is how media routinely
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I've been noticing many people outright reject modern Sudanese Arab and Nubian populations' claims to indigeneity, instead proposing that ancient Nubians were Nilotes, so I want to make a thread dedicated to that claim.
Nubians: Nilotic or not? 🧵
@aphrosociety
@FBATreday
He’s right, Nubians are about 4,000 years old, arabs are about half of that, you modern ‘sudanese’ arabs are not the same as the Nubians of antiquity
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Somalis enslaved… by Arabs… in Zanzibar… right.
This is the same nigga who would tell you, given the chance, that Cleopatra & Hannibal were black, who goons to Ehret’s Nilotophilic tales of the Nile where it suits him, only to reject the same tales where it doesn’t.
Somalis were enslaved by Arabs in Zanzibar. Most Siddis in India are of Somali descent.
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@MiroCyo
That this incongruous, enigmatic, indefinable specimen turned out to be most closely related to speakers of Laal - an equally incongruous, enigmatic, indefinable language - is kinda poetic.
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First nigga to conceptualise shields will become Papua’s very own Alexander
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I cannot stop laughing. What a man.
Under två års tid har jag följt den islamistkopplade vänsterextremisten Bilan Osman och fick tillslut henne att falla för mig. Jag har minst sagt tagit en för laget och har således en del att berätta...
Nu är det dags för bokslut där en rad intressanta uppgifter har framkommit
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In grave 253 of the Eastern Cemetery at Kerma, an individual of great significance is found buried with the skulls of 5,000 cattle; site is dated to ~1900BC.
Kerma’s capital (2,3) had just hit 10,000 inhabitants at this time but it wasn’t these barley farmers getting taxed.
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Entire thread copied from post by the alchemist on Somalispot
“The Nubian DNA from the long-awaited Balkan Roman study was delayed for two years plus since the drop of pre-print is out:
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The etymology behind the ethnonym 'Barbar' could be a whole lot wilder than we think, tracing back to the people of (Southern) Punt!
Another place he fails is his understanding of the works of two scholars in particular. First we will assess the Dimashqi case.
In Dimashqi's text, he uses the word Zanj to describe the geographical position of Muqdisho in the world (as the capital of Zanj). The issue here is
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This chick made a tweet reminiscing about colonial Somalia because she wants access to Italian males. She goes on to berate an Arab woman for betraying her culture by… selling a hot brush?
So tired of the Somalian-spearheaded Arab hate train on this app. Go away!
@qalanjoooo
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Just for perspective, Cushites (people of predom. Cushitic descent) can be modelled pretty well with AncestralEastAfrican_sim and PaleoEgyptian_sim, and as is clear here, the adolescent's proportions much closer resemble those of Somalis than any other Cushite group. Interesting.
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@UsingLyft
@rhaplord
Africans didn’t navigate the seas? News to me. They played a pivotal role in one of the oldest trading networks in history and some city-states were world famous for their exports in antiquity
As for tracking time, Kush developed sundials, as did, I’m sure, other nearby polities
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Go check out this video I helped make on the origins of the early Pastoral Neolithic peoples of Lake Turkana.
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Why act like this is a valid comparison to make? Britons and Greeks are divergent, sure, but they share *some* similarities. The only West Africans with any real link to Egypt are Chadics, and that link is prehistoric and that single thread threadbare.
Lazy, but not new to you.
"West africans are obsessed with ancient Egypt"
Says a Briton that is obsessed with ancient Greece 🙄
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short animation on the migratory history of South Cushites
this was made with a friend 2 years ago, there is quite a bit wrong with the video (dates, omissions, linguistics), but should help dispel the notion of Tutsis and co being recent migrants from Ethiopia or Ajuuran lmao.
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E-V12 —> E-V32 🤞❤️
President
@HassanSMohamud
spoke with President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt, congratulating him on his re-election. They reaffirmed their commitment to enhancing bilateral relations, emphasising the importance of uniting efforts to address shared challenges in the region.
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Map showing the different states, peoples and material cultures of Africa in the early 2nd millennium BC.
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A visualiser to help see just how good of a fit this two-way run is for Somalis is this PCA. See how they barely deviate from the line.
The PCA also highlights the divergence of AEA from Nilotes, them being Niger-Kordofanian-shifted. Also note proximity to ANA.
Just for perspective, Cushites (people of predom. Cushitic descent) can be modelled pretty well with AncestralEastAfrican_sim and PaleoEgyptian_sim, and as is clear here, the adolescent's proportions much closer resemble those of Somalis than any other Cushite group. Interesting.
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@Kamjiverse
@Waagii1
@Magloir_XV
God, you’re a special kinda tard.
Get to working on a video on why white people are native to Nibiru or something lil man. Learning you believe anything I do would instantly make me reconsider my position.
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If I ever met a white person in the real world who knew the difference between a Khoisan, a Yoruba, and an Afar, I would be 100% certain that they were among the most racist people I had ever encountered.
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Naqeyhda 🥳
Plot twist from Ancient Egypt:
Predynastic Neqada I sample, dated from 3600 BCE, harbors 40% Subsaharan African admixture.
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@theworldisoursg
The southern origin theory has been debunked multiple times and DNA testing of Somalis was the nail in the coffin.
We originate in the north, no doubt about it.
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Ultimate African history tier list.
Everything C.6 and below is not in order.
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They’re doing it again lmfao. This time they couldn’t even get the date nor the nationality of the phantom Europeans who were supposed to have actually ‘built the bridge’ right.
X is quickly becoming a Sepehrite wignat circlejerk.
It started with a photograph.
American Ken Frantz was flipping through a copy of National Geographic and saw an image he couldn't believe.
Africans were dangling high in the air, using a primitive vine/rope system to cross a river—a bridge built by the Italians 75 years
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Checks. It’s hilarious to suggest otherwise.
Even still, the only really half-important African slave in the Indian subcontinent turned out to be a Horner and not a Bantu. What means?
@KaraBoGAv2
@CKRD11
@malandroggb
@500degrees_
And in some cases the so called “habesha” slaves weren’t even Ethiopian at all. This is a paper on slave descendants in South Asia who the locals literally call “habeshi”
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Not quite. The oldest Cushitic aDNA sample was a man from Kadruka (pic 1), just south of a budding Kerma (pic 2), 4000 years ago.
The sample was said to be genetically indistinguishable from the later Kenyan Cushites you mentioned (see: pic 3).
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She's also the culprit behind that thread on the totally real Araweelo and her female super soldiers that went double platinum on Swedish Twitter. You literally cannot make this stuff up. It's just perfect.
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10k likes and the only black person involved is trying to break it up
first time i see blacks skiing
first time i see people fighting on the ski slopes
remilio
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@HornerArchives
@Badaantidabadah
@rasDemi
Every single primary source had Muqdisho down as markedly non-Arab, with a non-Arab, Barbar elite. From the first mention to the last.
The funny thing is had Muqdisho’s founding just barely predated these sources as yall try to make it seem, it wouldn’t work in ur favour…
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Viminacium was located in Moesia Superior. Location pictured here.
Read more about the 2000-year-old Horn African adolescent here:
Entire thread copied from post by the alchemist on Somalispot
“The Nubian DNA from the long-awaited Balkan Roman study was delayed for two years plus since the drop of pre-print is out:
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Recommended reading on Regio Cinnamafore, a great thread:
🧵- History of Somali spice merchants and their trade with Mediterranean world.
1. The first mention of the Horn of Africa by Greco-Romans was the Somali region which they referred to it as “Regio Cinnamonifera”
They named the region after cinnamon which shows how
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A Kenyaati j-word wet dream lmfao. An insanely insecure bunch with next to no military history.
There are 3 ethnicities I see disappearing from East Africa by the end of the century.
1. Hararis
2. Tigrays
3. Somalis via a mass genocide cause of their irridentist behaviors.
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I was gonna make a similar post because medieval Ethiopia wasn't the best, nor are sources on it hard to find... but then I took a look at the make-up of the 150 likes and realised he's only pandering to a well-established audience.
No more brother wars 🙏❤️ (but also good shit)
This is coming from someone whose Emperors lived in tents & moved from straw-hut village to village like wandering nomads until the 17th century.
All Ethiopia was during this era was a backwater devoid of cities, ruled by a bunch of illiterate monarchs who presided over peasants
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borders aren't absolute, Asa Koma is a single site (associated material culture is understudied; no official name yet), there may be some other blunders but it's the best we can do for now.
either an early/middle 2nd mill. BC or a late 2nd/early 1st mill. BC arrival.
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To exert this power over these many tribes…
This was not fear of the might of a particularly successful cattle raiding tribe of the Neolithic, but fear of the capacity for organised warfare.
The first signs, perhaps, of a sub-Saharan state army.
An underrated Bronze Age.
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إِنَّا لِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُون 💔💔
A man who was fatally stabbed in Camden has been named
Ahmed Jama, who lived in the borough, was found with stab wounds near Gaymead, on the Abbey Estate, in Abbey Road at around 19:32hrs on Friday, 29 December.
Officers and paramedics provided first aid and the 29-year-old was
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@HornerArchives
@Badaantidabadah
@rasDemi
But then if we take the position of Muqdisho’s true antiquity (Sarapion, pre-Islam ‘Cushitic’ stelae…) it still doesn’t work out. Everything on the archaeological front is working against you. What evidence is there to suggest a non-native origin? Why are u always on Somali 🍆?
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The curious case of Eastern Bantus
Very pressing issues with current migration model incl. very early arrival of Bantus in East Africa…
Shoutout
@kuaxba
for images.
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@theworldisoursg
They would’ve split from us when we still in the Eastern Desert. Simple.
Oromos are not as close to us in both as you’d links to think. They split off after Afar-Saho did, but we interacted more with Afar-Saho while Oromos interacted more with Sidamic types. This is clear.
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Not a fan of the aqal-stone/lamagoodle-city-dweller/go'-sewn dichotomy floating around. All so juvenile. Both styles are historically 'Somali' and having a problem with calling either 'Somali' would be silly.
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As a consequence of every other African constantly trying to tarnish our history for whatever reason, new gemmy accounts are being made every other day dedicated to defending it. Good shit. Give him a follow
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Part 2 for those interested. I didn't have time to edit so it's more like a podcast this time. Sorry.
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𝑶𝒗𝒆𝒓… 𝒔𝒐 𝒊𝒏𝒄𝒓𝒆𝒅𝒊𝒃𝒍𝒚 𝒐𝒗𝒆𝒓.
🚨🔥 DEVELOPING!
Blacks sleep worse than Whites.
You'll never guess the reason why.
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The people of the SPN were a South Cushitic speaking people who were genetically very similar to Horn African groups like Oromos and Somalis. From this, the authors hypothesised that the S Cushites would've migrated from Sudan recently, a perspective supported by Y-DNA analysis.
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And just to address the whole 'look at how they were drawn by others' argument, think of how West Africans were present but weren't the primary demographic of Andalusia and yet just look at how Moors were drawn by Europeans. Similar dynamics at play here.
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First: craniofacial comparisons. Though there isn't a study (to my knowledge) that makes a direct 1-1 comparison of Sudanis and ancient Nubians, we can safely use groups that share phenotypical similarities with Nubians as a proxy; mostly Horners will act as the stand-ins.
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Instead of a video on South Cushitic migration, the video should act as a decent stand in for one on the introduction of cattle and E-M293 in the Great Lakes region. The later migrants that changed the ePN to the PN proper. More Eastern Desert-y, less Nile-like.
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He wants us to believe that those DNA results are his fuck off hahahaha
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Is phenotype even a quantifiable trait?
Yes. Your face is made of bones and those bones can be measured and patterns emerge. With this in mind, the distinction between Horners and Nilotes can be seen in pic1, with latter clustering with West Africans and Bantus.
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Just a cool little addition to the post:
This Roman oil lamp was buried with I15499. It is engraved with an eagle symbolising Jupiter. What importance could that hold? And why was it buried with a 16-year-old?
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Throughout this thread I will be referring to the available osteological and genetic data.
This is to gauge 3 important points of discussion:
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@maintainnin
Yh we’ve been way too passive when these types have been shitting on our history for the last 5 years. They have managed to convince themselves that Bongo Bougadougou Civilisation/Empire (kingdoms don’t exist!) is more impressive than Muqdisho cos… idek. I don’t envy Berbers.
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So what does the craniofacial data indicate? Well, that the cranial morphology of post-Neolithic Nubians was most similar to Horners (and, therefore, Sudanis), while Mesolithic Nubians would've likely resembled Nilotes.
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Somali x Umayyad linkup in Africa c.660 (real history)
@HornChronicles
@EmpressRiziki
You made some good points, but you missed some important points respectfully. Somalis are "othered", because of history, and even current events to a degree. There were Somalis that assisted East Africans in their independence movements, true and big up Somalia for that.
But
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I’ve learned a lot after making it known I’m Oromo. West Africans become incensed when I show any sense of camaraderie for the people I share history, culture, language and genetics with.
Oromo...
OOO ROMO...
OROMO???😂😂
You should be on my side because Isaaq enslaved the shit out of yo people.
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It just was going to happen, wasn't it? He gave wignats a KDB-esque backpost driven cross but a cool little facterino nonetheless.
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This 'artist' takes a select few depictions at face value (invokes Greek ones for a culture 2000 years older), ignores their own and all other conflicting ones, gets called out for it using the osteological record that makes it clear he fricked up, only to hide the replies.
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Never thought I’d see this classic being used like this
𝙎𝙃𝙊𝙍𝙏 𝘿𝙀𝘽𝙐𝙉𝙆 🧵
Iberomaurusians have never influenced Prehistorical Near Easterners, and I'll tell you why in this thread
First of all, before them, North Africa was inhabited by the Ancestral North Africans (ANA)
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As Kadruka man is low coverage and since there are no G25 coordinates I can use, I used the "genetically indistinguishable" SPN samples in its place to gauge how much authentic Nubian modern riverine Sudani groups carry. Conclusion: they still got it!
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Kadruka at this time was adjacent to the capital of the Kingdom of Kerma - Kerma - deep in the heartlands of Nubia. What was discovered was that this man was, as per the authors, "genetically indistinguishable" from culture bearers of the SPN.
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It was the pastoralists that resided in Kerma’s realm (1). The world-renowned, hardy pastoralists of the Eastern Sahara gave up their livelihoods by the herd for a maybe foreign ritual sacrifice.
The burials were fashioned as shown in (2,3). The diameter of grave 253 reached 12m
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What's more, Nubians from their very civilisational beginning in the A-Group (otherwise referred to as Ta-Seti) were clearly an admixed group, likely even more 'non-African' than - but still remarkably similar to - their descendants.
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I am also not saying that Nilotic groups were not at all present in Nubia - they definitely were - but there's no real evidence to support the claims many make on their behalf.
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@islaanTooLate
Hell naw I'm not cosigning that nor is that what anyone with a working brain would gather from the video. You're gonna need to block me again mate
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Bedawi (possibly Ababda-descended) basal E-Z813. All but confirms now, the Eastern Desert origins of the clade. Exciting!
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The same people will also get offended on behalf of Bantus half a world away if Horners are present
But then again don’t you dare not make the distinction between Bantus and West Africans!
And bringing up Mali as a Luya is fair game, but don’t you dare mention Axum as an Oromo!
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@thetipofthehorn
What an untimely hiatus smh, incredible stuff.
A very good case can be made for this, yes. The Brbr ethnonym was first used, iirc, ~the time of Hatshepsut’s expedition to denote the people (+ land) where she sourced the frankincense - species endemic to Somalia (South/East Punt)
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I won't be referring to Kulubnarti, as much as it does dispell the idea of a very recent, medieval population replacement in Sudan.
Instead I'll be referring to a study of the genetics of a man from Kadruka, near modern Dongola, from 2000BC.
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I am in no way saying that the Cushitic-like samples are the only Nubians that would've existed at the time, just that modern Sudanis *do* carry a significant amount of authentic Nubian ancestry.
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@Taffysquared
Sourghum was domesticated in East Africa and was adopted by your Indus Valley ancestors. Idk what we adopted from you in the Bronze Age but there’s really no shame in that lad
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Did what he say even warrant a response half as insane as this? 😭 miskeen
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Tilting your head forward like that doesn't make you look any more Somali. No ethnic Somali has a nose like that.
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@__pkg__
You’re Kenyan g. I’d have to respect your humanity for anything you say to hurt.
We could inbreed for another millennium while bathing in nuclear waste while barebacking the sun’s uv rays and there’d still be more deleterious genes in a single Kenyan than our entire populous.
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@TrollWaffen___
@UpdatingOnRome
This wasn’t the case in Somalia. Or at the very least, their slaves didn’t look like him.
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With regards to modern Sudanese Nubians, they got slightly elevated Dinka-like ancestry above Saharan.
Interestingly, he might have had connections to Nabateans. It puts an insight into the northeast African globalized interconnectivity within the Arab economic sphere:”
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Next: genetics.
Unsurprisingly, the genomic record of Sudan (and of East Africa in general) doesn't support a model of phenotypical discontinuity in Sudan.
That is to say there is strong evidence to suggest Nilotes were not the primary demographic in Nubia.
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@maintainnin
It can only be that all this operates in their subconscious. All the reverence for Ethiopia and their history as well as a bad inferiority complex in regards to Eurasians combined with our (relative) proximity to both makes them think doing so is fair game. A working theory lol.
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The study claims he was passingly modeled as Kenyan Iron Age with Kulubnarti Christian Nubian profiles. We can interpret this as exceeding Cushitic DNA than those Medieval Nubians in addition to a Nubian structure. I assume it was 60% Cushtic.
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