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Freelance writer, producing copy that is clear, concise and correct. Author of four wrestling books:
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Out now: “Have A Good Week… Till Next Week” – the life stories of Britain’s TV wrestlers. 400 pages, available worldwide on Kindle (free on Kindle Unlimited) and in print at Amazon with free postage.
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"We're bringing back Brood Edge!"
"Wow, the old Brood music?"
"No, new music."
"But the old costume right?"
"Nah, same costume."
"Gangrel in for the night?"
"Nope."
"So what makes it Brood Edge?"
"We'll write 'Brood Edge' on the Titantron."
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The pic on the left built up a show that did a live crowd of 4,000, a gate of $33,000 (many paid $5) and 100,000 PPV buys.
AEW's last PPV did 10,442 live, a gate of $640,000 and 145,000 buys.
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For any pro wrestlers wondering why some promoters say you should never discuss pay with other wrestlers, Chris Jericho has a story:
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Terry Funk worked ECW PPVs, War Games, the Tokyo Dome, WrestleMania, King of the Death Match, NJPW in Fukuoka Dome, Smoky Mountain, his retirement show, a CWA Austria tour and Kawasaki Stadium.
That's not across his whole career.
Just in the four years after turning 50.
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Hands up anyone who had Minoru Suzuki in the "Who main events the first AEW show to beat Raw in 18-49s."
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TIL: This clip from WWE TV opening isn't from the "real" match (Ernest Roeber-August Faust from 1901.) It's actually the two men recreating the match for a recording on the roof of the company that distributed the film, complete with plants as crowd members and a fake arena.
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When Weetabix is four quid, you don't get to choose what the election is about.
— the Jenrick resignation has caused another major problem for the Tories
— some had wanted to make it an immigration election
— but one MP says they can’t do that now as Labour/Reform will just point to Jenrick’s words saying Sunak isn’t up to it
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AEW Rampage coming to ITV from January. Tuesdays on ITV 4 (23:05) and Thursdays on ITV 1 (23:40).
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If you can't figure out a way that Drake Maverick can generate more revenue than you pay him, you suck as a wrestling promoter.
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Randy Orton has been absent for 14 months with a back injury. During that time Mike Bailey has wrestled 187 matches.
Guys like Randy Orton & Scott Hall could get 10,000 fans off their feet with great psychology & a headlock. Instead, there’s an entire generation of morons willing to paralyze themselves for star ratings & high fives from marks in the locker room, pal.
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An event where pro wrestlers answer questions "in character" is not a press conference. It is a performance portraying a press conference.
If you ask questions at such an event, you are not a reporter. You are a performer taking part in the portrayal.
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WWE Shop selling "Championship Titles" annoys me. Not because of the corporate "they aren't [replica] belts" speak, but because it clearly violates Jack Tunney's 1988 ruling that you can't buy a title.
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Very kind of Vince to give Dave Meltzer nearly a full week to write the first ever 200-page Observer.
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“I work for a company. If I played for a major football club, you wouldn’t lend me out on the weekend to go play for the rival team.
Messi ain’t doing day shifts over at Manchester United”
- Samoa Joe on not being in favour of the Forbidden Door
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Imagine a man born January 1960.
Grew up during Sammartino's 1st reign.
Became an adult when Billy Graham was champ.
25 at WrestleMania 1.
35 when the Monday Night Wars began.
In his 40s when WCW closed.
Imagining him?
Most NXT viewers on Tuesday were older than that man.
Median age for NXT last night was 62, the highest for any WWE show at least in recent months.
Are women watching NXT less than before? Yes, at least within 18-49 (I don't have F2+ data), but that predates the "2.0" relaunch.
📝 Full report is up now:
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Wrestling fans: "AEW is too insider, Punk came out in his ROH gear and music and they didn't explain it for nearly 10 seconds."
Coronation Street fans: "Holy shit, that's Wendy Crozier, you know, from a storyline in 1989."
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Thinking about MJF and remembering this from when I interviewed Roddy Piper.
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As of tomorrow it is illegal in the UK to run a wrestling show that isn't finished before 10pm. Some would say this should have been law all along.
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Do you think WWE ever considers there could be a link between years of slumping audiences and a production style which has 24 camera cuts a minute? I'm trying to watch Daniel Bryan-AJ Styles and it's impossible to engage with it.
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This is the equivalent of running a MSG show in 1997 (when DX started) with the selling point of bringing back Don Leo Jonathan and the Valiants.
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Brian Dixon started promoting before, and has now outlasted, Jim Crockett Jr, Giant Baba, Paco Alonso, and Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
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Piper-Brown edited out of WrestleMania 6 on Peacock. No value judgment, but if they're taking the time to edit that out, you can see how transferring the whole library is going to take a while.
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Memo to Britwres 2008: Pac's working for the Fulham owner's promotion, Simmons the Butler is commentating for New Japan, Tiger Kid was in the Rumble, and Rebecca Knox made a comeback and is going to main event WrestleMania.
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If New Japan USA is struggling with visa issues, could they not ask the Small Business Administration for help? I'm sure whoever's in charge there would want to stop bureaucracy slowing down a growing business.
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Unbelievably, the entire past four years British wrestling revival has just been a convoluted long con to get
@ATTACKWrestling
a ring bell without paying for it.
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In late 2018 I was writing an article on what Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks would do when their contracts expired. It was all done but I was a couple of paragraphs shorts at the last minute. I then did the flukiest filler material ever:
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So to recap:
@RevProUK
started on time, had a 15 minute interval, finished bang on the 3-hour mark, and had the VOD available the next morning. This is how it should be.
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That wait for the title was so long, the Undertaker had his WWE career.
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I know I'm old-fashioned and media moves on, but I honestly preferred when wrestling promoters made their money by persuading people to pay to see wrestling matches.
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BBC now has a site (bbcrewind) with an archive of regional news shows, which means pro wrestling (and related) content. Here's the good stuff [thread]:
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I love that Alison Moyet getting a degree has caused "Congratulations Alison" to trend, but when you click on it it's just a stream of random Alison's who've all achieved random successes in recent days.
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@Otto_English
Famously nobody questioned Chamberlain's handling of the war in 1940 which is why he remained in office until 1945.
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Imagine watching WrestleMania 23 and being told Lashley would win the WWE title but only after Trump leaves the White House.
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Important note: Bob Wilson is alive. He's trending because somebody left him out of an all-time Arsenal XI.
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A retiree just heard I wrote a book about World of Sport era wrestling and has broken some shocking news. Turns out it was all fixed.
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Grado is not The Rock-mainstream, but he is "Photo in the Christmas Radio Times" mainstream.
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I see the NHS funding crisis is so desperate that 81,000 queued up to see a dentist in Wembley.
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Wrestling promoters: Every match graphic should have the show date and venue.
Doesn't matter if the graphic is not designed to be viewed in isolation. It will be.
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Attention UK promotions: nobody can take away your brand loyalty, your reputation, your bond with the audience or the atmosphere you create at shows.
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AEW may have a lot of former WWE stars but their current champs are Adam Page (never worked for WWE), Sammy Guevara (one dark match), Britt Baker (three TV jobs) and Lucha Brothers (never worked there.)
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I do like people arguing about whether WrestleMania should take place over two days, missing that this year's literally did.
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Looking at the navigation setup for WWE on Peacock. There is no way that can work/cope with the full archive. It's barely usable with whatever small percentage they have now, and it's simply going to collapse if they try to add everything.
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That's the ITV wrestling site update complete. Now at the point where:
* Every match I have is on YouTube (my upload or someone else's.)
* Every match on YouTube is embedded at
* I have a copy of everything embedded at
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Here is a complete list of reasons why you should cut between cameras when broadcasting pro wrestling:
1) To get a better view of the action.
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New Japan appears to have drawn more Americans in Tokyo than TNA can in the US.
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I've found two more Marty Jones vs Mark Rocco matches, meaning six of the nine are now online. Full playlist is , while individual links are as follows..
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This shouldn't need saying, but it's a conflict of interests to report on a business that produces performances while also being a performer for that business.
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When WWE announces Drake Maverick is in the cruiserweight tournament on Sunday and releases him on Wednesday, but people still deny there's anything to the phrase "plans change".
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I cannot believe the wrestler who has been champion in the biggest promotion and unbeaten for over two years came top of a kayfabe-logic ranking.
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Vince McMahon literally bankrupted a company yesterday.
JUST NOW: Adam Silver, Rob Manfred, Roger Goodell, Gary Bettman, Robert Kraft, Jerry Jones, Dana White, and Vince McMahon are part of a large group that will help advise on how to restart the economy, President Trump says.
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Starting to think G-1 finals night will have Tongans Vs Umino & Red Shoes.
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Imagine if the episode where DX formed had also featured the Mr Fuji & Professor Tanaka 25th anniversary celebration.
D-Generation X 25th anniversary celebration advertised for October WWE Raw
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It's not often that a 46-year old woman in a bustier singing in public in Glasgow is a welcome sight.
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Zack Sabre Jr's post match interview: "I fight with my heart, with my brain, and most importantly my underlying hatred of the British Conservative party."
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Wrestling latest: one major US promotion is hyping a documentary about how they had to redo their booking after misjudging their fan base while the other is hyping backstage footage of one of their wrestlers losing a legitimate fight to somebody who's now with the opposition.
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@ElectionMapsUK
No, the alert level is 4 and the current number of infections is reportedly 183,329. That means R must be -183,325. So if we can just get 370 people to contract it tomorrow, the number of people they infect will be -68,013,575, thus curing the whole UK population.
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If Pele died and FIFA put out a statement commemorating his five World Cup wins, I'd like to think a football journalist would point out the error.
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@alexandrakuri
It's not a good sign that I recently had to search online to double-check who is Chancellor.
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Going to be confusing when people start booking the former Neville and billing him as Ex-Pac.
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PWG moves to a bigger building only because the old one is being demolished. Maybe somebody needs to accidentally break their DVD burner so that they do VOD.
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Five years after learning it, I am still delighted that the man in charge of building WWE rings is called Mark Carpenter.
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In which we are reminded the current Parliamentary session began with a speech 'written' by a man who is no longer an MP and delivered by a monarch who is no longer alive.
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Imagine if WrestleMania was one night and Orton-Fiend and the women's tag match was hour four.
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Oh, hi mid-2000s Britwres. It's 2023 here. Punk and Joe are doing a SkyDome rematch at Wembley Stadium. Ricky Knight's daughter is on the undercard. Drew Galloway headlined the Millennium Stadium. That 13-year-old backyarder in Rainham might be winning G-1...
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20 years ago tomorrow, Rob Butcher handed me a tape and said "All I'll say before you watch this is that Mick Foley is alive."
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In 2004, legendary British wrestling footage collector Paul Douglas gave a big pile of DVDs of pre-Wrestling Channel stuff to
@ColtCabana
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He has now very kindly sent them to me.
Not sure how many, but is definitely getting some new uploads.
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Wrestling fans in the 2020s: "What's all this nonsense about the demo rating? Why are people pretending it's a real thing? Nobody used to worry about that."
Mary Tyler Moore Show, 1970:
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If WrestleMania is pre-taped, my nerdy senses will be triggered by the idea a title changed and we don't actually know what date it happened.
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Tony Schiavone on today's AEW Control Center regarding Tony Khan's gift for Sting:
"This will be an historic gift. Yes, I said historic. Nothing like this has ever happened to a wrestler in pro wrestling."
MAN, THIS SOUNDS BIG TIME.
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Don't know why people are moaning about the new WWE Network UI. As long as you've memorised the run time of the event you're looking for, it's simple to use.
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In 1993, one venue hosted shows with main events including Bret Hart v Ric Flair, Lex Luger v Mr Perfect, Bret Hart v Bam Bam Bigelow and Undertaker v Yokozuna.
Was it MSG? The LA Sports Arena? The United Center?
No.
It was Whitley Bay Ice Rink.
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Industry: Streaming means UFC can sell $60 PPVs direct to consumer for, say, $45. Fans get cheaper shows, UFC gets more revenue. Win-win.
UFC: How about the fans pay $65 and we get all of it?
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When Triple H said he wanted to focus on positives, somebody should have asked if part-timers are still exempt from drug testing.
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Today
@elpwrestling
proves that you can make it to the top of your profession if you're willing to work hard and make big sacrifices like living in Wolverhampton.
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And the answer is: Chris Jericho, Juice Robinson and Earthquake. (So Quake would win the tie-breaker of adding in Royal Albert Hall.)
Trivia question: Which three wrestlers have had matches in Wembley Stadium, the Tokyo Dome, Madison Square Garden and Arena Mexico?
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@caitlinmoran
I loved the calculation that with good health she'll spend more days going to the Cenotaph as a former PM than she spent as a PM.
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My wife thinks I'm mad for staying up to watch a show where men insult each other and then have a fight.
Joke's on her.
I'm staying up to watch a show where some men won't be on because they insulted each other and had a fight.
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Very sorry to hear about the death of Brian Dixon. Here's the article I wrote on his career:
Many others have written of his importance to the business and you cannot really tell the story of the last half-century of British wrestling without him. [ctd]
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Imagine if he accepts in person.
BREAKING:
@ndykaufman
will be inducted into the
#WWEHOF
Class of 2023, as first reported by
@Variety
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