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@Brittany_0526 Commit crimes? Kids and young women? For real? Obama deported way more illegals than Trump, but you never saw him laughing at people fleeing poverty and gangs. I don’t always give money to homeless people, but I’d never make fun of them.
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There are children and young women among them. What do you expect them to do? Pick up guns and fight the gangs? It’s the same in U.S. ghettos. When people make it out financially, they leave as fast as they can. Do you think they’re pathetic too for not buying a gun and taking on the gangs?
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I see what you mean. That’s not how most experts describe it in the literature, but it’s an interesting perspective I hadn’t considered before. I really appreciate this conversation with you, especially knowing that your family has practiced this spirituality for generations. It’s always valuable to hear different viewpoints and learn something new. I hope that one day, you or other practitioners will have the opportunity to share more of your knowledge through published works.
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@Nicolas_Sunrise Donc, avant l’arrivée des immigrés, les meurtres n’existaient pas en France ?
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Interesting! If your family has been practicing Hoodoo for generations without any history of slavery, it could be because of close connections with African Americans who were. All experts, including Dr. Yvonne Chireau, Dr. Katrina Hazzard-Donald, Sarah Best or Marie Laveau, generally agree that Hoodoo originates from African slave traditions. There are also historical records that suggest this, documenting how white slave owners described the spiritual practices of enslaved African Americans. Here are a few links for you.
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I’m not disagreeing with you at all. Hoodoo and Voodoo emerged in the U.S. among Black enslaved slaves, just like Haitian Vodou in Haiti, SanterÃa in Cuba, Candomblé in Brazil, 21 División in the Dominican Republic, Orisha in Trinidad and Tobago or Obeah in Jamaica and the Bahamas. But despite developing separately, these spiritual traditions were all inspired by a common source: West African Vodun. So if your son ever asks, for example, why New Orleans Voodoo and Haitian Vodou have similarities, you’d explain that while they are distinct religions, from distinct culture, both were influenced by the ancestral beliefs of African slaves who carried Vodun with them across the Atlantic.
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RT @Marcel4Congress: Today's Black American (Freedmen) inventor is all but unknown even though her invention is essential in stopping the s…
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@Marcel4Congress Wow! That’s really impressive! I just looked it up. I prescribe this test all the time, but I never imagined a Black scientist developed this culture medium! Thanks for the info. It's always insightful!
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If you, as a black american, are calling Haitians parasites. People who share your history of slavery, who were the only ones to support abolitionists and welcomed 6,000 black americans in the 1820s, gave them land and have always maintained a good relationship with your community. My question is then who, in your eyes, isn’t a parasite?
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I get what you’re saying. But acknowledging cultural influences doesn’t erase a culture. Haitians speak French and Creole, are mostly christian, and some of us practice vodou, both are shaped by Europe and Africa. The same goes for music, carnival, cuisine, fashion, and more. Yet, recognizing these influences doesn’t take away from haitian culture.
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@Thoth4Atlantis @HeHeishim3 @cakeladystopopp @JeanEsseKwa @hnpbusiness @jondannyoc So, just to be clear, you're not upset about people saying Voodoo comes from Africa because you already knew that. But you’re losing it over a random video that has nothing to do with this discussion that shows Black people dancing ????????
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No, african vodun has no christian elements since Christianity wasn’t present in West Africa at that time. Vodun has been practiced for thousands of years in west africa. Voodoo, on the other hand, incorporates Christian influences because slaves were exposed to european christianity. For example, I’ve read that psalms are recited in voodoo, holy water is sometimes used in rituals for purification and blessings, the cross also is a common spiritual symbol etc...
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Wait, I don’t get it. Why the hostility when you both agree? New Orleans Voodoo and Haitian Vodou both come from Africa. We’re all on the same page. Voodoo in New Orleans saw an increase in practitioners after 1809 because 3,000 Haitian slaves arrived and brought their traditions with them.
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And there it is, another exaggeration! I’m not a religious historian, so I can’t debate you with hard facts. But from what I’ve read in the literature, Voodoo and Hoodoo share similarities: the use of talismans, candles, herbs, syncretism with Catholicism, communication with ancestors, etc... They also have key differences. For example, Voodoo involves animal sacrifices, while Hoodoo does not. But at the end of the day, both Voodoo and Hoodoo exist in New Orleans, and both were influenced by African Vodun.
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