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Said it better than I could ever.
What was it Adam said? No one forced you to take the job. Go find work somewhere else if they pay isn't good enough.
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@SoftFurSunlight
Bro, put this in context. If we are doing 24 fps, that's 24 images per second. You need to do 24 images for $35. That's less than $1.50 PER FRAME. If it took you an hr to clean each frame, congrats, that's $1.50 AN HR.
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She loved him enough that, AS A SUCCUBUS she was monogamous to him, wearing a dress with NO emblazoned across her pelvis, as well as a tattoo OF HIS NAME. But yeah, it's just about sex.
No girl, the only person who shouldn't be here is Stolas whose entire relationship is sex.
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Also I must know, where is the female sexuality in this show? Nifty has been shown as being sexual but she's straight. All the male characters are almost exclusively sexual to depict feelings. But where is the WLW sexual compatibility between Charlie and Vaggie? Why so sexless?
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REMINDER THAT VIVIENNE GOES TO OTHER INDIE STUDIOS AND KEEPS HER EMPLOYEES FROM WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS WHILE WORKING FOR HER. IN NO WAY CAN A FREELANCE WORKER BE KEPT FROM OTHER JOBS. THIS IS ILLEGAL
#HazbinHotel
#HelluvaBoss
@helluvareceipts
Thought I’d add these here, he says nobody was forced to. But the article clearly explains how they had no time to find a different source of income, and many are fresh out of college which makes it even harder. These factors need to be considered.
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@SoftFurSunlight
If you rush the cleanup and say spend 30 minutes per frame, whoo boy you doubled to $3 an hr. There is no quality control to this type of wage. This is literally inhumane. And you have the nerve to have a deadline on top of it!? Couldn't afford Bento anymore!?
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It really fucking shows who has never been in a real relationship in this fandom. Thinking that sex is all that matters in a dynamic. Like Blitz didn't just not give her good sex, HE RUINED HER LIFE.
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Like I can't count the times I've been at work texting sexy to my wife and speeding my ass home to mess up some hair. Just saying.
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He abandoned her in a hotel room in the middle of the night, financially ruined her and expected her to pay for the room, stole her car so she was supposed to, what, call an Uber? She has no money. He literally wrecked her in a way that ruined her long after he was gone.
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Stolas, on the other hand, acknowledges he is holding Blitz hostage as a sex servant with the book deal in look my way. He then pities himself over the idea of his forced partner not wanting to be with him. Bitch, sit down.
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@FriedRatRant
They throw around terms like grooming and then ignore the fact that victims are almost always groomed into normalizing their abuse and that when they break out of that grooming they are more aware of how people manipulated them and others to perpetrate the abuse.
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Gonna fix this because the community notes are grossly incorrect. This is not for Key Frame animation as the notes are trying to argue. Key frames are only the beginning and ending of a motion in animation. There is a totally separate job for in-between frames.
Green light to send this around has been given, and you'd better believe I'm gonna do just that.
Proof, straight from Adam himself, of Spindlehorse paying Hazbin animators $35 per second. That is fucking /slave wages./
This is abuse.
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This. I'm done with people acting like this isn't a Vivienne thing. She did this when it was just her on Zoophobia. This is Vivienne's fap material. And Husk "saving" Angel is just the disgusting cherry on top. Because she legit thinks codependency is love
#HazbinHotel
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@CryingIntoAbyss
@SlayQueenArt
@Illstatic996
My dude I'm native American I'm saying turning an indigenous person into a snake could be considered a severe insult because you are associating them with their cultural negative imagery. On the flip side killing a snake is also extremely uncool to many tribes
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Bitch, you do realize that people defending her is because she's a badly written horrible character.
You can't just ignore her story to hate her when her and Stolas have the same stories and he is given all the excuses to be a rapist.
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The fact this actually was said shows how white supremacy has won. This shit taught in schools by washing history to this "The only good revolution is a peaceful one" when not a single revolution has ever been peaceful, but they call the oppressed supremacists.
#helluvaboss
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So these are both 1 frame. You would need to completely redraw each character and then provide clean lineart for every character in the frame. Now do 12-24 of those and that's $35.
@Carsaurus
???
You mean the one quote retweet that's blatantly wrong?
This is what they're claiming is slave wages for being paid $35 and hour for.
I'd personally be so embarrassed if that many people saw me being that dumb on main.
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@SoftFurSunlight
Even bumping it up to just 12 frames per second. Doing it by twos. Then you still have only doubled that wage by 30 minutes per frame which is still very rushed. Animation. You're capping out for HB at $10 an hour. That's the most you can Hope to make
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Aaaaand just a reminder. It's also why I don't tag my posts for this shit show anymore. It isn't worth farming this fake demand.
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@SoftFurSunlight
So literally best case scenario for lackluster animation rushed jobs you're still making below minimum wage in many places throughout the United States
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@WokeVTuberLs
@Sammy_Gems
@Yeenie_Mcbeenie
My dude, homosexuality being a taboo is a white Christian concept. It was actually seen as rather normal outside of your literal cult of religion.
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@SynnFrost
She made some apology about defending Blaire a while back after still defending Blaire over the JKR stuff. She literally does not listen to marginalized groups unless it's someone she cares about personally like Reagan with the AIDs Crisis or she suffers social damage enough
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@SlayQueenArt
@Illstatic996
What tribe is he. Because depending on the tribe it is actually the most offensive thing she could have done
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@CryingIntoAbyss
@SlayQueenArt
@Illstatic996
I'm literally saying that this is a dig to someone's cultural heritage and a very deep part of their identity. that screenshot is literally taken from my tribe of origin's personal website.
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@CryingIntoAbyss
@SlayQueenArt
@Illstatic996
Literally calling an indigenous person racist for highlighting their cultural attitudes towards certain imagery and how turning them into one as an insult character hits DEEP. Like that is an intentional DEEP dig. But I'm racist for educating you about my culture.
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Just a reminder the one "good" scene of Valentino and Angel on the dressing room is so heavily based on Raph's rape ship comic that he deserved a writing credit if he didn't get one. Even things done well need to be acknowledged for how they are tainted by fetish
#HazbinHotel
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AyyLmao makes a whole video dragging LavenderTown for not knowing basic facts about Hazbin lore that NEVER WERE IN THE SHOW, but is curiously mum about HunterB, a prominent SH animator can't pay their bills and has no time for commissions so must rely on donations. Interesting.
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Omfg just have him commit to the bit. Give him "Well damn, guess this is my night then". Like you can't be the pillar of SA discourse as a not professional trauma therapist and then the next episode make rape THE JOKE
#HazbinHotel
that comment: "he basically asked for it" .....can Viv stop using rape as an actual joke? Especially after ep. 4 when we're supposed to have it taken seriously? Seriously, if you can't handle SA with dignity stop touching it.
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@PdizzleParker
@kettakujo
Bruh. I'm lesbian and I'm about to believe we aren't real from this on screen chemistry.
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@SoftFurSunlight
These are the same people angry at a furry taking a shower and calling it disgusting, but the "They asked for it" defense for justifying rape is okay.
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@s3tok41b4
That moment when you have the same VA both voicing and singing and they aren't at all the same voice or character.
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@literallydarnel
Lmfao it's giving Soul Eater finale when Maka is suddenly revealed to be a dormant weapon only for that to literally do NOTHING for the final battle and she wins by punching the big bad in the face. Like bruh.
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@coquitose_ro
This. If you pass you will be treated differently than if you don't. That's why I was saying even if Alastor is biracial he is WHITE.
Being bipoc who can be pale, I literally gave myself a severe vitamin D deficiency to pass as white right out of hs
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@helluvareceipts
This whole franchise has really set young adults who have no idea how the world works and have already been primed to be taken advantage of and exploited by the government and society to just be further harmed. Removing the concept of revoking consent is the worst one.
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JFC. The lyrics are nonsense, rarely have a proper flow and cadence. The animation is ugly. Tell me none of you all ever spoke to a ballerina on how dancing works in the body. There's a reason you do research. This is just ugly.
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@Its_Dreamless
@SoftFurSunlight
Viv only cares if you have a penis. She is only into trans women, she chronically misgenders trans men and nonbinary people. She literally only is interested in dick. She's that creepy 15 yr old who just found yaoi hentai and calling herself a fujoshi with a fucking paddle
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Bless, someone finally said it frankly without trying to overshadow the point with its 2007 tween emo pop aesthetic
#HazbinHotel
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Angel Dust literally says "This body was meant to be exploited" and y'all really wanna claim she has something to say about abuse? It's a fetish guys. That's all.
#HazbinHotel
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@goodchaos7
@ArteiceTB
Even then, Charlie and Alastor's relationship isn't covered in the pilot. Him seeing her as a daughter was never established in the series or the pilot
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Viv liking comments calling critics of her shitty shows "subhuman" is insane. Like no one over here has ever called her that. Irresponsible, unimaginative, incapable, amateur, a poor writer, etc. subhuman? Lmao she has that cry baby victim morality Bojack denounced
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@s3tok41b4
The ears are cute, I think that little frosted tip on her fingers being on the top of the ears woulda been extra cute, but she looks so much better.
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@s3tok41b4
It being toxic wasn't the issue. It's how they try to make it un-toxic by removing Blitz's agency and ability to consebt and then woobify Stolas so the audience justified this pity romance when we actually wanted them to WORK FOR IT
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@CaptAmazo
@NylaTheWolf
Yes it does. Because no cis woman who doesn't bleed says they have a period. The most transphobic thing I have ever said has to be how trans women think they can walk in here with their male fucking privilege to just take things that don't include them and change them to fit them
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@certifieddumb20
Cluttered design is not good design
Excessive details scream insecurity in art rather than competency. But this is the difference between professionals and people on twitter.
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@cloudi_days
Depicting SA is one thing. The framing of it matters EXTREMELY. Framing the same as a fetish is hot depicting SA experiences. It is inviting people to masturbate to real trauma of individuals. But sure silence survivors for your own fetishy cult
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Stolas crying over Blitzo saying exactly what Stolas has done since the moment they met had me fucking dying. Crying tears as I laughed at how pathetic he sounds when Blitzo is nothing but right. Then immediately replaced with disgust at how the show wants me to feel bad for him.
Blitzø is completely valid here and the way Stolas brushes him off and Blitzø APOLOGIZES for being right when I know they ain’t gonna acknowledge him being right? Man.
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The whole point of comedic commentary is that you actually have to make commentary on how the industry is actively harming people. Like this is just "lol porn acting and scripts are bad writing". Like honey, don't compare yourself to your twin.
Someone transcribed the script Angel was holding in episode 4 (and it was confirmed Viv helped write it) and I’m not laughing. This show is a fetish show and insultingly unfunny like keep in mind a rape victim is saying these lines, idc if it’s a joke it’s not funny. 😐
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@TrickyMoth
It's for 16+ for one. For two, they are half the fandom if not more. Viv needs them. She said as much in a live panel talking about HB. She knows most of her fans are kids. They're fine with it. You should be too.
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@AlibiBlu
@Showtoonz123
None of this actually touched on HOW the porn industry actually harms people in it.
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So much for being a female centric show when your primary relationship doesn't even get a name-drop on the cocktails.
#HazbinHotel
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Spindlehorse can say they aren't responsible for the behavior of fans when the CEO learns how to stop liking and platforming harassment and dehumanizing comments. Until then, it is her responsibility.
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Viv: Sometimes an actor just wants to be a part of a fun union project.
My dear, no one went "Yeah, I'll do this for the fun of it." No one. Keith David literally showed up just for the paycheck. He did not even try lmfao
#HazbinHotel
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@endive_stan
@PanderShirts
Idk man I was the most sex negative high schooler and I had internet and places to post my opinion and I was still sex positive compared to this. And I was raised in a high control, sexually repressed cult.
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This is why the rape fetishist Storyboarding a rape scene is an issue
#HazbinHotel
#HazbinHotelAngelDust
#HazbinHotelPoison
#vivziepop
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Let's compare patreons. Vivziepop has changed up her tiers, adding at least 2 and increasing the prices. I remember you got all the same at $50 for around half the price. And I love how she basically calls her own supporters second class citizens for being poor.
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What was it Adam said? No one forced you to take the job. Go find work somewhere else if they pay isn't good enough.
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@koutingmiao
@Catwithlove22
The coding is that she's a hentai stereotype: Small and infantalized hypersexual woman. In her original design she also had literally yellow skin
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@highdandseek
@coquitose_ro
@acey_hyena
It's funny because the idea that indie animation gives you free reign to make "selfish content" is fundamentally incorrect. Unless you have all the money in the world to burn and make an entire show just for you, you need to actually make a show for an audience.
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Every actor has different rates even in a union. A24 is not a union studio. At no point was Vivienne ever bound by the union. So wanna try that one again? You're such a liar with your whole ass chest.
#HazbinHotel
#Spindlehorse
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#HelluvaBoss
went from 50 million views to 15 million views between season 1 and 2. That's a decline of 70% viewership entirely chalked up to poor social media behavior and bad writing. Parasocial relationships and playing to an audience negatively impact creativity.
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Vivienne Medrano lying by claiming Raph is an SA survivor as Raph says they are not. Reminder the last episode of Hazbin was being worked on in December 2022 so the storyboards for Poison were done when Raph said NOT AN SA VICTIM.
#HazbinHotel
#vivziepop
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@_SunFlowerz_
@SoftFurSunlight
@ujivoice
I like how they finally have evidence of the screenshot's authenticity but when it all comes down, they just pretend to have any sort of personality or identity outside of their poorly written demon show.
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This is why I love Tracy. She is extremely transparent about things behind the scenes and they deserve all the support to encourage Indie to move AWAY from industry standard and BE BETTER
#lackadaisy
#indieanimation
#FucktheIndustry
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@Beansandmore2
HB HH is the worst fanfiction type of MLM. It's so hetero-normative. There is this need to have a "female" in the relationship despite The whole point of being gay is that you are attracted to MEN. Gay twinks are not women with a dick.
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Which is probably why Vivienne is totally fine with her shows not being age restricted like they need to be, because parents leave young kids with youtube cartoons and
#HelluvaBoss
gets shuffled in as animation. Negligent parents yadda yadda, Viv is also responsible for that too.
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Omg I just read about this!!!
half of the songs are either forgettable or feel like theyre trying so hard to be impactful w/o the needed buildup. that shit is NOT great 💀
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@_blazingflare
@Brennibunni
It wasn't the end though? The ending was Steven leaving. Because that group hug didn't solve anything. It helped him when he was at his worst, most self loathing and self destructive, it GROUNDED him. But notice who isn't there for his farewell.
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People deserve credit for the work they do. If you don't like them, hire someone else instead of just using their work without credit
#HelluvaBoss
Time again for more concept stills. Not sure why I wasn't credited...I sure do remember working on this episode's pre-viz. (1/2)
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Calling a 17 yr old child going through her parents volatile and abusive divorce a "cock blocking slut" but teehee. Casual misogyny funny. Like let alone that character is a child behaving like a child and that behavior gets her called a slut. Ooooooookay.
Guys, you're not ready for this - might be Brandon's most controversial take 😂 what are your thoughts on Via?
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@NihilisticNacho
@SynnFrost
She only supports trans people who say what she wants them to say. Otherwise she will misgender them and it's always a trans man she calls "she".
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#HelluvaBoss
lol when Viv doesn't even realize her own visual storytelling doesn't match her version.
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"It messes with revenue!" You're right. It's almost like Vivienne intentionally profits off of minors and just makes lip service to the show being for adults. But anyway, she and the crew all said, "we know most of our viewers are minors, and we are okay with that."
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Vivienne casually equivicating idea that someone's profile online is also their whole personality makes a ton of sense as to why her characters are so flat. She just legit thinks people are the same as her OCs
#HelluvaBoss
#HazbinHotel
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So you mean to tell me her "I can't wait for you all to see all the animation that CUMS with it" was in reference to graphic sexual assault? You mean to say that she thinks that a joke about graphic sexual assault is appropriate to hype that up? No kidding
#HazbinHotel
To all of my followers who plan on watching Hazbin Hotel— I would like to extend a special trigger warning for episode 4. Slight spoilers.
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Husk's VA is like, one of the bigger names because he also has actual experience in voice acting and yet I just feel he was painfully miscasted
#HazbinHotel
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@ccexii
While she be lying about someone's relationship to SA to deflect criticism from herself.
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@Blackkout__
I mean, they did this with the Lilo and Stitch reboot of making Nani, an indigenous Hawaiian woman, a white/Filipino American.
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For all the assholes with their What-aboutisms and trying to deflect from Viv by throwing Tracy under the bus, what about now?
Just received some clarification from the
#Lackadaisy
team themselves: they didn't just double their animators' salaries post-pilot, they doubled everything, and moved away from pay per second rates.
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@helluvareceipts
There is nothing unconstitutional about a closed religion lmfao. They just can't get government benefits if they are not all inclusive, which, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Voodou not an organized religion? It's like Indigenous practices
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@insomniasstits
@CaptAmazo
@NylaTheWolf
No it factually is not. You don't have periods. You wanna say a cycle then yes. Because that's what that is. The change in hormones is A CYCLE. But the period is literally just menses
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Right "kids" and not the dozens of SA survivor organizations who say that you shouldn't depict graphic sexual assault on screen due to the fact that it does more harm than good. Elevating the trauma over the healing is literally
#HazbinHotel
All the kids mad about this don’t understand what they’re watching, this is WHY this show isn’t for kids. I don’t know much about HH, but it looks like he’s trapped in a cycle of sex/drugs he doesn’t know how to break. Nothing about this is romanticizing anything. 🧵
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@Dragonessa007
@CryptidAftrDarq
"I'm not going to say specifics or name names but people here do not want Vivienne's involvement in any way with this series due to their personal experiences with her."
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Even the episodes that are written by people who know what they are doing suck because the director has the artistic eye of a catfish.
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This is the true betrayal. The whole point of indie animation was to bring better ideas and working conditions to the industry and break out from the confines of studio exploitation. That was the real reason we (should) support indie. This deserves to be blasted
#HazbinHotel
Need this to click with the "But vivziepop paved the way for indie animation!" Crowd.
$1.45 a frame... thats fucking ridiculous.
It has never been about uplifting the artform and the artists behind it, it's always been about bringing her ocs to life for pennies.
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My forever gripe with Vivzie is having given her so much money to tell the story she said she wanted to only for her to blow it on Kesha and tortured owls in Japan. Just saying.
#HelluvaBoss
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Tumblr doom scrolling and this lives in my head rent free at the moment.
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The song in the trailer sounded exactly like Happy Day in Hell and it isn't Happy Day in Hell. They sound like the same goddamn song. Is this just 8 episodes of the same fucking song with different lyrics because that's what it looks like
#HazbinHotel
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