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Multifandom. I'm just talking to myself about anything I'm interested in. I don't follow back unless I know you or we interact often. I have my notifs filtered so if I don't reply asap that's why. I'm an adult I talk about ✨adult things✨
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god please take all her suffering and give it to stannis
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All this talk about Visenya makes me remember how pleasantly shocked I was when I first read fire & blood and read how she dealt with the Vale. Because the fandom loves to portray her as this evil bitter one dimensional woman bt that single scene spoke so much about her character
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The fact that Visenya proposed to marry Maegor and Rhaena to "settle the matter of succession" is a vital detail in understanding the Targaryen/Valyrian right of primogeniture. It meant that without a doubt to anyone there, Rhaena was going to succeed her father since she was the
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Idk there's something very sad to me about Dany being so alone that she names her three dragons after three men she loved despite none of them loving her the way she needed
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Jon Snow being Azor Ahai because he was born amidst his mother's tears, the bloody sigil of House Dayne symbolizing the red comet and Lightbringer, and his mother saying "promise me, promise me" the entire time would have been excellent subtle foreshadowing if Daenerys wasn't
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"Vhagar disobeyed Aemond the same way Balerion disobeyed Aerea checkmate"
So you saying after how many years of being bonded to her, Aemond had as weak a bond with Vhagar as a little girl who hopped on Balerion one random day
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Since the books aren't canon and are unreliable and Aerys doesn't have a POV we can't assume that he meant to burn Lord Stark. He was actually secretly in love with him and was trying to get back to him all this time.
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Visenya wanting Maegor as King over Aenys and his children has nothing to do with suspicion over Aenys' parentage or wanting her "own blood" on the throne and everything to do with her believing Aenys was too weak to hold the Targaryen rule during such an integral time
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Sara Hess being a green supporter, a rape apologist (towards fictional and real-life men) AND a bad writer? Lady pick a struggle 😭
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It's crazy to me that in agot Ned acknowledged Robert's obsession with Lyanna and how it would've harmed her if they got married and also acknowledged that Arya looked like Lyanna but was still a-okay with having her in KL where she'd grow up under Robert's eye.
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People only focus on the "she loved music, dancing, and poetry" and forget that she was hell-bent on destroying Dorne and loved to fly and was just as fierce as her siblings. Her death made Visenya even more adamant to ensure their plan of uniting Westeros was a success otherwise
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born on Dragonstone, a volcanic smoking island - which the salty air is said to smell of smoke - and then reborn in a pyre while the actual red comet passes overhead while they are in the Dothraki Sea.
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Daenerys I dying of the shivers, an unseen creeping cold, because she didn't have a dragon, and Daenerys Stormborn the one who will defeat the Others, the cold unseen enemy, with the three dragons she hatched.
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They were on the far side of the Dothraki sea when Jhiqui brushed the soft swell of Dany's stomach with her fingers and said, "Khaleesi, you are with child."
"I know," Dany told her.
It was her fourteenth name day.
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Funnily enough, Rhaena faces betrayal of varying degrees from all the women in her life - Visenya, Alyssa, Aerea, Rhaella, Elissa, Alysanne - yet she has never tried to seek vengeance on any woman despite having the power and reason to do so.
Rhaena is particularly depressing to me because she is deeply betrayed by all the women in her life.
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Anyway back to the only truly beautiful actor to play a Targaryen and who actually understood the character you spoilt me queen ❤️
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Her mother had died bringing her into the world while the storm screamed outside.
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"My son...Rhaego...where is he? I want him."
Her handmaid lowered her eyes. "The boy...he did not live, Khaleesi."
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When y'all accept that the only reason Robert Baratheon started the rebellion was because he was mad he lost his property, and used the execution of the two Starks as justification to rebel, then I'll listen to your takes on him, because it's shit takes from both sides.
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I think what frustrates me about Jaehaerys is how obviously he loved his daughters but his views on gender roles didn't change
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Daenerys Targaryen was a girl on the run with no formal education, who knew very little about her ancestors and magic but still brought dragons back to life using her limited knowledge. The Dance era Targs couldnt work out how to follow simple instructions on who was the heir
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OG fight aside, being genuinely shocked that "Baelon Targaryen has shooters" really sums up how h*td stans interact w/ book readers. They come in w/ no knowledge of the source material or the fandom, spew outrageous takes & then are upset when people tell them they're wrong 😵💫
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When I said the Martells were white their stans attempted to ratio me by saying they're North African/Arab coded. Cool. Why are y'all using Desi aesthetics for your North African/Arab family huh?
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Similarly Rhaegar Targaryen and his son Aegon being AA because they were both born amidst salt and smoke (Summerhall & Dragonstone respectively) wouldve been good subtle foreshadowing if Dany didn't fulfill that criteria as well as fulfilling the other criteria which they do not.
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Dany and Alysanne are Mothers.
Alyssa and Visenya are MILFS.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
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I miss when people were unapologetic villain fuckers. When they didn't feel the need to justify the heinous acts their favs commit because it's social media iwwegal to just like evil characters for no reason other than them being evil and hot.
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Yet that did not stop Princess Rhaena from riding up to them to say "You are fearless when facing a girl on a horse, I see. The next time I come, I will be on a dragon. Throw dirt on me then I pray you."
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The fact that after Aenys' death, Aegon was championed as heir & not Rhaena has everything to do with them bowing to Andal customs to avoid more strife since it was their Valyrian tradition of sibling marriages that upset the kingdom in the first place HOWEVER it was established-
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"Should you reach your queen, give her a message from the slaves of Old Volantis." She touched the faded scar upon her wrinkled cheek, where her tears had been cut away. "Tell her we are waiting. Tell her to come soon."
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And when I say it's misogynistic to ship a woman with a man who she clearly loathes, a man who goes out of his way to disrespect her?
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First born regardless of any other children (sons) that will come after. And by marrying Maegor to the heir of the iron throne they could rule together and any child that comes from them will unquestionably be the heir to throne.
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Stannis Baratheon being AA because a Red Priestess believes him to be and gives him a flaming sword while he resides on Dragonstone filled with stone statues of dragons which she believes he as AA will wake up would have been good foreshadowing if Daenerys didn't hatch 3 dragons
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The yts showing their ass again. Your beloved Lizzie was the head of an institution that destroyed millions of lives and only released countries after they were drained of their natural resources and were no longer a financial asset to said institution.
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All this to say that GRRM's hints at all these other characters being AA, and "fulfilling" criteria isn't because he wants to keep the readers guessing it's because he wants to keep the characters IN UNIVERSE guessing. He has built up all these little hoaxes so the characters can
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@danylanzhou
He's so deeply misogynistic and cruel to women, and he sent the Mountain who had a reputation for precisely that kind of violence but nah he didn't expect that to happen to Elia 😪 Even if he didn't explicitly say the words he gave the order like what's hard to understand
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Thinking about Daella who was terrified of Alyssa.
Thinking about Alyssa pouring wine on Vaegon in defense of Daella.
Thinking about Daella looking on as Alyssa humiliated Vaegon for being mean and rude to Daella.
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second guess themselves or follow false promises. He only makes one character fulfill every single requirement, and actually fulfill it, and he makes it extremely obvious because GRRM does not write in a way that things come out of the left field he builds up and shoves things in
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from eggs "turned to stone over the eons". These dragons also generate their own heat like Lightbringer is said to do, which notably Stannis' sword cannot do. Lightbringer was also said to cause the eyes of a monster to melt and dribble down it's cheeks and set the body ablaze,
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We know the Dance brings about change in the structure of House Targaryen. The most obvious way is the death of the dragons which leads to the dwindling of dragon magic and then of course the loss of power- mainly politically, but also magically - the women in the House face. One
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Then she saw. Her mask is made of starlight. "Remember who you are, Daenerys" the stars whispered in a woman's voice. "The dragons know. Do you?"
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Gael walking into water after the death of her son and Daenerys walking into fire after the death of her son.
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the reader's faces. So yes all these theories about other characters would've been genuinely brilliant if he didn't already force feed us who AA is beforehand. He also isn't trying to make some philosophical "we can all be AA" because again many of these people fulfill one or
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which we see Daenerys' dragons can do as she recalls seeing a slaver's eyes melt and run down his cheeks and dragons also set bodies aflame.
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It's canon that the only person who cares about Gojo for himself and not as the strongest is Getou Suguru. If you don't wanna read their relationship as romantic more power to you but don't pretend that every single thing that breathes actually secretly in love with him.
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The smartest people in the world are people who use f&b characters to correctly link it to Daenerys (aka the only reason f&b was written)
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And call us shallow however you want when characters are described as being extremely beautiful, you gonna expect extremely beautiful actors. Not normal looking people.
And especially when it's a plot point that the Targaryens were beautiful.
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One thing I love about the female povs of asoiaf is you can see how many are meant to serve as contrasts for each other, Arya and Sansa, Cersei and Brienne, Asha and Arianne. But something I will always love is Daenerys doesn't get a singular contrast because her journey is an
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By the Conqueror's themselves and then reiterated by Aenys' rule alongside his brother and also Visenya wanting Rhaena and Maegor to marry and rule together - that there is no sole ruler in Targaryen/Valyrian tradition so regardless Aegon was going to be King and Rhaena Queen and
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People who hate Baela but love Rhaena but can't talk about a single part of her personality beyond she hatched Morning give me "I hate all the women of the Dance but I'll look misogynistic so I'm gonna pretend to stan one" vibes 😭
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There isn't anything in the books that indicate that she "wants to blow up the world for being evil" but the funniest part about this is why is she 14 years old and sacred and alone in the first place 😭 she has been on the run her entire life because people stole her birthright.
dany isnt really about “reclaiming your birthright” or whatever it’s about being 14 years old and scared and alone and tiny and finding out how evil the world is and being so so so mad you need to blow it up right now.
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No because I was talking about this last night, Satoru is so popular that people seem to forget he's not the main character and they try to ascribe those "shounen main character" traits to him. That's why they hate to acknowledge how feral he fights, how selfish he can be,
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@stmegumis
They like to latch on the fact that Visenya put Maegor on the throne without realizing she didn't do it because she wanted her own son there, but because she acknowledged that Aenys was too weak to rule the Seven Kingdoms during such a perilous time - and she was right.
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Need to reread fire & blood soon to talk about Visenya I really love her character she's so interesting
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Yk when you actually read fire & blood you realize how interesting the conquerors were specifically Aegon in how he approached the actual conquering of Westeros. Nothing about his approach says he's doing this for the lols but that he has some higher purpose for it. It's very
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It's so sad to me to see how differently misogyny contributed to the deaths of all of Jaehaerys and Alysanne's daughters, but Daella's is extra heartbreaking to me because of how she's written as neurodivergent and how violent her death was described 😞
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And I know that there are some people that view this canon material and instead take from it that Valyrian culture followed primogeniture but from the FEMALES. They're probably right but either way it establishes that "female heir" is definitely a thing for the Targaryens.
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But anyway your issues with Nettles is because she's black/poc and more righteous than your favs. She's strong and capable and relevant and that makes her a threat towards your other female favs and she works hand in hand with the males so she's threat towards your fav ships.
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None of you have any comprehension skills if you think the Song of Ice and Fire means "child of ice and fire combined". The ice has always been the Others& the fire has always been referencing humans who are the complete opposite of the Others. The embodiment of fire specifically
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I'm still kinda mad at how attractive Criston Cole is. I knew he had to be attractive but he's better looking than Daemon and I deeply hate that.
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What tragedy?She ends her last chapter standing side by side w/ Drogon, embracing that she is a dragon & making the decision to stop hobbling herself in the name of false peace.She is one of the few characters who actively gains both external&internal power as her chapters go on.
the tragedy of dany is the most compelling story being built in the books!!!! i love her so much!!!!!
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Btw any theory you have that hangs on the point of Nettles not having Valyrian blood is simply racist rhetoric 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽
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You all continuously fail to recognise what Rhaena represents as the first Targaryen women born into a the new Westerosi assimilated house because you're too busy talking about "colonization"
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Drogo is the quintessential dead wife trope for Dany. Not only was his death what propels her forward and allows her to gain her true power, as her story moves on she thinks of him more and more as a fond memory and as a dead spouse vs the love of her life.
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They would rule together there wasn't any one is subservient to the other. They just paraded Aegon around as heir to gain the support of the kingdom.
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Saying Navya doesn't contribute anything to fandom beyond discourse is so funny considering each and every one of you have stolen her analysis time and time again
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This just occurred to me I fear but I'm sure others have mentioned this before. I'm just a lil stunned like damn! This man knew exactly what Robert was yet he was too clueless to put together the pieces.
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Will never get over Rhaena saying she married Androw because he was kind to her only for him to hurt her so deeply in the end.
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Daenys the Dreamer didn't see the Doom and uproot her entire family just for the Dreamer title to go to any old ditz
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The birth of Daenerys's dragons sent a shockwave throughout the entirety of Planetos. Dragon magic was finally restored. When your fav does something that big then we can talk. Until then stick to your pookies whose only noteworthy point is that they rode a big dragon uwu.
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Lovely thread and my silly little two cents: the show's creation of this feminist girlboss Rhaenyra is misogynistic itself and plays into the themes of the dance which is the woman is held to unrealistic standards when the same will never be done for the male claimant.
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She is already serving a higher purpose by being the last Targaryen, the woman who woke up dragons from stone, being AA/TPTWP, the most efficient dragon dreamer as well as her other magical feats. That doesn't even begin to cover her political feats like being the only one to
@hissatsv
it makes me think of the theory that she’ll end up dying/sacrificing herself during the long night (not sure how exactly tho and it’ll break my heart regardless) and imo the tragedy is that she is a good and just queen, but has to serve a higher purpose instead
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1) the Seven Kingdoms is a kingdom that was created by the Targaryens. They followed Andal tradition in many aspects yes but they also kept some aspects of their Valyrian heritage such as sibling marriages. So while "female heir" may not be an Andal tradition it's not fair to say
@jeynearryns
'Rightful female heir' isn't a thing in Westeros. Here, men are always before women in the succession. Viserys tried to change that without securing her position. The point of the dance isn't patriarchy vs feminism that's the point of The Great Council. +
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Imagine if Dany actually inherited magical abilities from her ancestors that wouldve been amazing omg! Rather than her just lucking out to hatch the dragons imagine if she was actually a dreamer like Daenys or Helaena, the only two dreamers to exist. That would be something else!
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Daenerys' third husband will be someone she chooses for herself and someone who she loves - not someone who she marries for political gain. But she will also be different from her ancestors in that her third and final marriage will not end in bloodshed for the realm.
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Did Aerys really burn the Starks to a crisp as bad as they make it? Or it's just fake history.
Where did these Northmen who were supposedly totally crippled pull three huge armies out of, to destroy the Targaryens, the massive reach army and the Martell army?
Did Aemond really burn the riverlands to a crisp as bad as they make it? Or it's just fake history.
Where did these riverlanders who were supposedly totally crippled pull three huge armies out of, to destroy the Lannisters, the massive reach army and the Baratheon army?
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Mind you these people who think Mirri killing Rhaego was empowering because it's her "revenge against Drogo" will be the same ones clutching their pearls when Blood & Cheese happens
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One of the funniest things Akutami has ever gotten away with is pretending the Gojo/Shoko/Suguru dynamic is one of a typical shonen trio, despite having neither Gojo or Suguru have any meaningful bond with Shoko as individuals, or even together 😭
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I also wanna add that the first person I've ever seen who actually defended Cersei Lannister and called out people who were cheering for her sexual abuse is a Dany Extremist
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Didn't you call Gojo a dad? Hasn't he done the same thing to Megumi? He trained Megumi from a very young age to harness his power to fight dangerous curses, ones that are seen to maim, sometimes fatally, students? Keep this same energy for your favs too 😁
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Arya has the 3rd highest chapter count in the series, the highest for female povs and is the only character to have chapters in all 5 published books. Even if you ignore the Northern plotline that Arya's existence is the catalyst for, Arya also builds up a plotline in Essos.
1. if arya was erased from asoiaf nothing would change
2. if you say your favorite character is tywin, olenna or hodor you’re a liar
3. daenerys and drogo is not a cute ship
4. jon is not AA
5. dany is the main character
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Baelon is one of THEE most beloved Targaryen men, mostly for being one of the most unproblematic men out there. He's a loving brother, husband, father. Was a capable warrior, prince and then heir to the throne. While there isn't that much about his actions as HotK, considering he
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The Rhaena doesn't love her daughters talk is already annoying but doubly so when you know that Rhaena was ready to kill or be killed to prevent the forced marriage and rape by Maegor until she saw her daughters as hostages.
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Thank you for that thoroughly insightful comment.
Y’all, I don’t think even GRRM knew he wanted dany to be azor ahai when he started the books.
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Patchface's rhymes are very intriguing and is one of the more confusing aspects of the books. There are many interpretations of them and while I personally think some are more correct than others, I think this is one of the few parts of the series where we should be open-minded.
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This man has successfully seduced half the women on TikTok. Men are losing their minds and can't understand it. It's absolutely fascinating. He is the female gaze.
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"What does Your Grace wish to wear?" asked Missandei.
Starlight and seafoam, Dany thought...
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"book accurate Daenerys" and it's the ugliest, trashiest white girl you've ever seen 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
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