studying pol econ, Africa, Marx, pre-modern history, ecology, modes of production, etc. working towards the synthesis.
murder the gods and topple their thrones
@Liv_Agar
it's so insane to be like yeah religion is so different in the future that Islam and Buddhism have somehow been synthesized into the same thing but also Judaism is exactly the same
@posting_forever
@Disocland
not trying to 'well actually' here but it's funny because the most horrifying crimes in Icelandic history are like killing a bunch of random Basque whalers:
@BigMeanInternet
his train of thought in the second paragraph, fourth screenshot seems like something you could only come up with if you're extremely racist (need NATO so Europe will not fall -> also there's gonna be a BILLION Africans???)
@randermm
@posting_forever
this really is not a hard question, why are you privileging something as nebulous and falsifiable as 'intent' as if it makes a difference to the dead?
@Papapishu
so funny to watch the demo of someone putting that monstrosity on and the big VR landscape reveal is an app drawer. we are still doing 'look at the APPS!' in 2023
tired of hearing people say shit like physiognomy, dysgenic, phenotype, etc etc. as if they aren't just calling people uggos bc they disagree with their opinions while trying to sound as close to a borderline nazi as they can get
honestly the vulgar pro-union workerism you see here sometimes is pretty laughable. there's nothing worthy about a complete fetishization of organizational form and shutting out any criticism as 'anti-union' when you have the largest union orgs in the US cozying up to fascists!
@Logo_Daedalus
@orikron
are you making this point in defense of the american "farmer" that is literally a petit bourgeois landholder relying on exploiting migrant labour and huge state subsidies to support american economic imperialism?
christology (and other religious movements of late antiquity) actually makes perfect sense when you stop ascribing a purely religious character to it and try to understand it as core 'ideological' social and economic movement of its time
insane thing to say when the referendum petition got more signatures than the mayor of Atlanta got votes. yeah people actually don't want to build a massive facility and demolish half a forest for the guys who everyone fucking hates
Normies learning what cop city actually was is amazing. This is one of those things where when I explain it to people their instant reaction is "oh, so those protesters were all just morons then? Weird."
the magacommunists themselves don't particularly worry me but seeing them attempting to make inroads with other vulgar campists does not feel like a good sign
hearing the DSA right call their opponents 'union busters' is so fucking annoying not just because it's obviously lying (the union exists and is recognized) but also bc it's obviously meant to poison any opposition to their politics and seems like a move to trash the org
@BigMeanInternet
yeah you were 100% right and the fact is most westerners clearly couldn't conceive of food as something other than a product on the shelf that you can make choices over, and not like an actual system of production that requires people to work on monoculture plantations lol
also very odd of cala to refer to others parroting zionist talking points when her/fergie + the magacommunists were concern trolling about how drag show fundraisers for Palestine by implying that Palestinians as a whole were homophobic (as Zionists will constantly scream about)
@Athenion3
it's a very funny position to hold because it requires you to have zero insight or interest in how all those germans ended up east of the elbe to begin with, which was uh, not a neutral process/event
@mrjluddite
@brianchaley
@ScaredBisexual
not to mention Laura's mother's line when he jumps on the coffin: "don't ruin this too!", which is maybe understandable at first given how broken down he acts in those first few episodes but...
the issue here isn't if your or fergie's comments are homophobic, the issue is that you both somehow think it's ok to frame queers putting on a drag show fundraiser as 'objectionable' to Palestinians in general. it's fucking orientalist shitcoating, zionist agree with you on this
I don't really care that yall are calling me homophobic for saying that some queer people are counterrevolutionary and imperialist, first of all, I'm obviously queer, second of all, my personal identity isn't relevant because I'm correct regardless!
@left_plain
favorite related tidbit that seals this for me: the polynesian root for sweet potato is clearly derived from the quechua/aymaran term for it, as opposed to the one that the spanish/english pick up as 'potato'
yeah I don't really think I can accept this 'build the left, fight the right' framing when we're somehow not placing Biden and every mainstream dem firmly on the right.
no shade to the OP but I've always thought that it's good to be reminded that stoicism as a philosophy is best understood as what a roman emperor tells themselves to lie about their direct role in the creation of unimaginable horrors, so
@heshidicjudaism
hm I agree that it's probably incorrect to separate what people call porn addiction as different from pre-existing misogyny, but I do think that there's something else there that's as much a side effect of hyper commodification as misogyny. not necessarily unique or new but worse
the fact that the guy who self-immolated outside the trump trial seems to have had a vaguely squishy, conspiratorial 'crony capitalism' type of critique makes me think that things are going to go off the rails a lot more suddenly than anyone's expecting
Rutgers got literally all of their demands except one, and they got a path forward on that. I was there when they struck the deal.
What is going on here with people turning wins into defeats?
@iwrite4jacobin
absolutely, if anything it seems like the lack of making that connection is just a way to take away the focus on any specifics of the parties directly involved in the conflict and replace it with vague allusions of western 'control' or influence over the conflict. very deflecting
it's really funny that SMC's whining about 'socialist identitarianism' versus Serious Materialist Politics is such an incoherent shibboleth that I've seen multiple people at this point interpret it as anti-LGBT
one of the strangest things about the whole 'marxist republicanism' thing to me is that it seems like an inherent concession to a mode of governance that's inherently bourgeois. you don't even have to go to modern states, do you really think Athens was anything but an oligarchy?
@SwannMarcus89
Not to mention that the only reason Europeans even exist is because of proto-Arab settler colonialism in the wake of receding ice and the genocide of the indigenous Neanderthals.
the way people talk about eastern europeans on here sure is interesting. I for one was not taught to talk about other people like that and so will not be engaging directly
@notstonkgod
I don't know but at this point I legitimately feel like states are just trying to see what they can get away with since they see the US completely tied up everywhere else, just putting stuff out there and testing the waters
this is such a central point that I feel like people are constantly ignoring and really my biggest issue with orgs like the DSA. 'keep working your day job and regularly tithe' is a great way to keep yourself locked in to the already existing failed/subsumed forms of organization
A key part of that viability, I believe, is the ability for people to reproduce themselves within their political organization. Whether selling newspapers or working at the radical coffeehouse or w/e. Political formations can't just be a drain on members' time/energy/resources...
@SxarletRed
I would hope that enough people have seen how magacommunists operate at this point to be suspicious of anyone getting closer to them but who knows
@randermm
@posting_forever
launching the missile is the only 'intent' that matters, trying to distance yourself morally from the result of that action is only rationalizing after the fact. there is zero moral difference between the two.
@hecubian_devil
large crop of people who were 'set up' for the presidency but either didn't get it/got it really late (Biden obv but Hillary was a clear reflection of this too), large cadre of faceless and completely uncharismatic dems in the back bench who are completely in step with the former
@malcxlmflex
I saw her tweet like she was upset about my post and for a sec I was worried that maybe I might've been being mean? but then i realized how funny it is to be that constantly combative and then complain about people picking on you when you have like 80k followers 😭
but they never seem to be able to be honest about what their opponents believe or the actual conditions of the org. hearing them insist that layoffs 'aren't economically necessary' to mask the fact that they prioritize those jobs over other parts of the org is getting tiring
what they got: creation of an 'Arab cultural center', a promise to hire more 'culturally competent staff', flags (?), a promise to 'name Palestinians' (???)
what they didn't get: divestment, end of partnerships with Israeli universities (their two actually substantial demands)
@LegoRacers2
the figure of Zalmoxis (alternatively a god, a man related to Pythagoras, or a prophet-like figure among the Dacians) is super interesting to me for this reason - clearly you can tell something very interesting was going on but we just don't have much info and likely never will
this discourse is fascinating. it's got everything, alluding to women's subjugation as domestic servants to imply that someone's got to do it, invoking the slave autocracy of the Roman empire to defend modern consumption patterns, amazing. 10/10 stuff
@lakeeater
I think you're leaning this way when you say 'strategies' but I think the combination of big tent + extremely decentralized means that it's just super incoherent as a whole. especially once you get really deep into how the inter-caucus disagreements map onto actual org politics
@heshidicjudaism
hard to find a good way of phrasing it but I'd basically say it's like anhedonia for people who see women as commodities/property? in the sense that insofar as they see women as commodities they can just keep exponentially consuming and reinforcing their misogyny more and more
very good piece on the PSL's bizarre support for Abiy Ahmed during the Tigray War. as someone who was doing a lot of research on Ethiopia at the time seeing a left group supporting the war was extremely hard to watch, sounds like there's been no self-reflection or criticism since
@nadaytu
scabs? they're breaking an active strike by the union by doing the work of the union members while they're on strike? what the hell are you even talking about? do you enjoy making shit up so openly and brazenly? be a little honest with yourself here
people are dunking on this bc it's obv abusing the term 'industrial revolution' but following this line of questioning re: 'proto-industrialization' (ie Banaji) is far more useful approach to economic history than most Marxists take (basically ignoring other modes of production)
I think it's kind of hard to look at a mountain made of the remains of 50,000,000 olive oil amphora and argue that the Roman Empire didn't have some sort of industrial revolution. Some 80% of them are from Baetica in southern Spain, mostly of just one type, Dressel 20.
oh no, not the 501(c)(4)! famine, butchered children, rubble full of uncounted dead, and you have the audacity to say you're concerned about your fucking 501(c)(4) status? fuck off. go to hell. disgusting that people like this have the gall to call themselves socialists
I sometimes understand this sentiment but putting it in this way has to be one of the most femcel things I've ever seen. like it's simultaneously saying that women have to mother men they date while also turning the resentment that creates back around on other women? disturbing
There are a lot of issues with The Cut story, but no one can argue this paragraph isn't true, and it is exactly how I explain why I have no desire to date again.
@hecubian_devil
I see what you mean but unfortunately people get their wires crossed on distinguishing any sincere critique from someone who will act like they're disagreeing on tactics in bad faith when they will admit to being completely against whatever is being discussed
@randermm
@posting_forever
is there a moral difference between a targeted strike that succeeds and a failed launch that kills people on your side? what kind of dumb fucking question is that? that's a completely different scenario than what you described
and it's really annoying that I feel like I have to talk about this at this moment, when people are actually struggling in the streets against the pigs, to say that a small group of people primarily concerned with their jobs should not be trying to make everything about them
the primary contradiction thing is extremely stupid most of all bc it leads people to imply that colonialism/imperialism are somehow separate/distinct from the struggle btwn capital and labour, when they're obviously just parts of the same system and have been from the beginning
@CarlBeijer
clear exaggeration aside, it seems pretty clear that Engels saying the reason there is no pro-colonial workers party in England is because "workers gaily share the feast of England's monopoly of the world market", which is exactly what the person you are quoting is also saying.
@Athenion3
absolutely, outside of how horrible conditions in Libya became bc of the intervention it was also massively destabilizing to almost every other state in the region; the sheer amount of unaccountable arms flowing across the Sahel alone has been a disaster imo
most people who do this would just be more honest if they'd admit that what they want is a guild system! keep all the sectors of industry running as they are but make sure 'the workers' still get to negotiate a 'fair deal' with capital,
@OldAssSheldon
@BigMeanInternet
wonder why he would immediately bring up African population growth after detailing how committed he is to European 'security' and saying that US cooperation will 'determine the future of Europe'? wonder if the right has been stoking fears of immigration there too? pic unrelated!
this is an interesting thread but I think this particular point is a bit off: Hale basically describes the whites arriving in Osage territory as 'lumpen at the fringe' from very early on (the very first scene where he talks about 'making trouble');
6. On the podcast, it was was claimed that its puzzling Mollie and sister marry the "trashiest" men. But that's a misreading. The men Osage women married, Ernest included, are not the lumpen at the fringes but upstanding members of white community.
the first people to object to this were fucking magacommunists, are you really happy you're agreeing with them and the Zionists who'd agree that Gazans hate queer solidarity with Palestinians? think about what you're actually defending here ffs
@ytnessisdeath
as mind-numbing some of the reaction against this discourse has been, this type of (even relatively basic) commodity analysis has actually felt far more useful/interesting than a lot of other discussion on here
the thorn thing is so true. idk why but it is. it's not even people using it in like a rune or tying it to nordicism or anything it's just them liking that they can use a quirky new letter. I could probably intellectualize this more but does it actually mean anything? idk
I don't understand why anarchism, using the letter thorn, covid hypersensitivity, and things like the door dash discourse/online ideas of disability are so closely interlinked. Like it doesn't seem like those should be as comorbid as they are
@lakeeater
nah you are 100% right for this. we haven't even begun to understand the implications of something like historical materialism from an ecological/historical perspective. and there's an insane amount of micro-specialization in literature to dig through and synthesize
she has apparently passed. very sad that I did not see this earlier. I didn't know Elleni Centime Zeleke personally but read her book Ethiopia in Theory, which was instrumental in my MA thesis. I wish I could've expressed my appreciation for her work directly. rest in peace.
@randermm
@posting_forever
the IDF has killed more civilians in three months than Russia has in Ukraine in nearly two years, at this point whatever you think of 'intent' is irrelevant compared to the actual existence of an ongoing genocidal campaign they are actually conducting. it is entirely deliberate.
and do you actually think a single Palestinian would object to a fundraiser to help Gazans because they don't like that it was a queer event? it wouldn't matter if any did of course, so why is your friend bringing this up? and this bizarre deflection you're doing is even weirder
invoking every selective leninist's favorite text to make the argument that him saying parliamentarianism was "not yet politically obsolete" in 1920s Germany says something about American democracy in 2024 is great when in this metaphor you're advocating for tailing Hindenburg
one of the most annoying things about DSA discourse is that for as much as the left of the org criticizes the right as opportunistic, the DSA left is too! but the right doesn't even acknowledge this bc they're too committed to framing everyone opposed to them as irrational ultras
Seeing folks say it's unrealistic to expect electeds to perfectly match DSA's program but like...Tlaib and Bush don't perfectly match DSA's program. The difference is AOC parts w key elements of our program repeatedly and has a much worse reputation in the anti-Zionist movement.
I think Hale and the more 'high class' white people in that film are more of an approximation of a lumpen-bourgeois, in that their wealth is essentially parasitic and operates mostly illegally but in definite conjunction with the structural subordination of the Osage;
@polishXcellence
what an even weirder way of framing this. I don't think those guys would've gotten all bent out of shape by someone suggesting they exercise more or something. or really have any kind of issue with learned helplessness at all
the divide between nicene orthodoxy and the various 'eastern churches' had a highly regional character, debates about the nature of Christ tended to have larger implications on your political worldview.
@revdefeatist
yeah, having done a lot of reading on it the only reason the derg called itself a communist regime was for the potential of Soviet aid + the fact that the entirety of the non-separatist opposition were some variety of leftist and the junta needed some legitimacy
or, iconoclasm (which emerges concurrently with Islam!) is all about smashing the symbols of the Byzantine church (quite literally symbols of imperial authority and wealth tied to religion), while the much poorer western church doesn't have the same issues with iconoclasm
can we shut up about the DSA Cuba trip already. people are being insanely hysterical about it for something with literally zero stakes. you're just arguing about the optics of something that happened months ago and did not matter at all to anything of material importance.
it never collapsed. 98% of the world’s population today are citizens (something Rome invented) of states that are either direct successors to the Roman Empire or states that copy-pasted what one of the successor states was doing.
the political economy of the Osage's subjugation to the state is what creates the space for/distinction of the lumpen as a fraction of settler-capitalists, the state can claim them as 'bad actors' and selectively punish the few while keeping the system of subjugation intact
@Hezbolsonaro
owen jones got mad at me for pointing out that she made a point that seems like it'd be basically uncontroversial in the US, and this was obviously just something the right/starmer were jumping on to cudgel the left with lol
@LegoRacers2
I feel like these are very different things, homestuck is a relatively niche content thing for weird people online (non derogatory) in a cross generational sense. minecraft is like the world's most successful video game and doesn't have anything near the same level of weirdness
never questioning the organization of production in and of itself, basically just seeking to entrench whatever privileges that fraction of labour can leverage for themselves. this is quite literally what the form is for, it doesn't do anything else!
the university has said that they will not end their partnership with tel aviv university, and that they'll have a closed meeting with 'student leaders' to 'discuss divestment', which is to say they'll lock some people up in meetings for months with no movement.
freud didn't discover the unconscious and marx didn't discover the class struggle, both of them insist on these points explicitly—which is worth stressing now, not out of pedantry, but because it raises the question of what they each /did/ discover, which is much more interesting
@nadaytu
posting stuff like this, aside from seeming totally unhinged and an obvious lie, just makes it seem like you're actively trying to wreck the democratically elected leadership of the org