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marxist feminist, mdzs main + militant wwx and wangxian stan. i am a canon dynamics fan. no minors!
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"the mdzs extras fetishise gay men" okay loser. i personally think mxtx should have written at least 20 more of those incense burner chapters
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ok but mxtx comparing lwj to a teenage girl in love and also saying that wwx played cute like a girl when he was flirting with lwj... this is how wangxian is essentially yuri
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really wish people would stop feeding into the misogynistic idea that romance is a frivolous and inferior genre. these narratives would be completely different if it wasn't for the romance embedded within them, mxtx's novels are about love at their core
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the mdzs fandom really does gloss over what a horrific act the siege actually was, mainly because it casts a very negative shadow over their favourite characters who they love to woobify. they knew that the wen remnants were defenceless and innocent while they were killing them
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i fully support indian women poisoning their husbands in their beds btw. what else can they do when these backwards courts offer them zero protection
Marital rape not offence if wife is 18 or above, says Allahabad HC
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this is very tragic but lwj throwing away the flute lxc got for him 'in a rage' because it wasn't his wei ying's flute is definitely up there :(
mdzs fans! what is your absolute fav canon wangxian moment? like one dialog, one scene, one action that just ruined you forever? TELL ME! SHARE YOUR LOVE FOR WANGXIAN! MAKE ME LAUGH, SOB, SCREAM! I WANNA KNOW!
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also if we're going to talk about it it's painfully obvious that jfm loved and prioritised jc over wwx. his last moments make that extremely clear - mxtx could have shown him asking both jc & wwx to protect each other, instead he places that responsibility solely on wwx
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'let women have hobbies' is such a strange thing to say in defence of madam yu because a significant example of her abusive nature is her ridiculing her daughter for enjoying activities she feels are beneath her, like cooking
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still thinking about lwj being both a lovesick teenage girl and a sadistic dom top. he's so cool! i love him so much
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such a nasty, mean spirited woman. i know there are people who think of her as a girlboss but i honestly think she's one of the most pitiful, pathetic characters in the story.
She spoke through clenched teeth, "…You damn little brat! I hate you! I hate you more than anything else! Look at what our sect has gone through for your sake!"
Wei WuXian's chest heaved up and down. He said nothing.
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wwx is only meek and fragile when he wants to be, when he's playing with his husband. no canon dynamics fan has ever said that he's actually meek lmao - he isn't!! that's part of the subversion, he chased lwj, he initiates what goes on in their relationship
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reading this mxtx interview and smiling at the way she sees her readers replicating the progress of lwj's own attitude towards wwx
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he looks so whimsical here, reading erotic literature while kicking his legs... my sweet babygirl princess
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i think that the way western cultures prioritise individualism & protecting one's own at the expense of others definitely has an affect on the way characters like xie lian & wwx are perceived by english fandoms, and is precisely why their heroism is looked down upon.
Someone on TikTok said they didn’t like xie lian, and when asked why they linked a tumblr analysis post and said that’ll explain it better for them and then I clicked it and was greeted with this bs 😭😭
The title of the post being why Xie Lian is poorly written too
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'she didn't whip him for funsies' yet it's established in the lotus seed pod extra that she singled wwx out for punishments and whipped him for infractions she let her son and other disciples get away with
Like, sure YZY had some hangups about WWX, but she didn't whip him for funsies, it was in the middle of a coup and she was punishing him for bad behavior. As a reader we might find it unfair bc we know what really happened, but she has no way to know that, and they're in danger.
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reminder that wwx compares the juniors to a litter of piglets
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lwj you are the only nepo baby i have ever respected. love you
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wei ying falling in love with lwj's morality is so special to me
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yes, i would never abuse a child under my care regardless of my own bitterness or resentments. if you would, you're a disgusting human being who shouldn't be around children.
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wwx playing with children while educating them at the same time ♥️
enough bad characterization on the tl what's the most in-character thing ur fave has ever done
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if you haven't read mdzs why are you even getting involved in discussions about how the main character was abused & denying said abuse, lmao
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they bashed a defenceless old woman's skull in but you will never see any one of them point that out as a bad thing, instead they defend characters for participating in it (and not one of them openly regretted their participation afterwards)
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he also comforts jc and wishes him well before he goes to his death - he does not do the same with wwx, his last words to him are solely based on ensuring jc's protection. i'm going to need mdzs fans to actually read the book
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if you're going to argue that jgy did nothing wrong and that he's equal to wwx morally i'm going to assume that a) you didn't read the novel or even watch any of the adaptations or that b) you're a troll. if you can't like a morally evil character without woobifying them there's
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postcanon wei ying doing the "xianxian is three" routine he used to do with jyl in front of lz and him immediately going along with it and pampering him the entire day 🥺
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i do enjoy jc as an antagonist, i think he's an interesting, well-written character. i just despise the way his stans ignore, twist and deny everything that points to him being the antagonist he is. if you want to stan morally virtuous characters, wangxian are right there!
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"got in waayyyy over his head" they mock him for protecting innocent people because if they praise him for it they'd have to acknowledge how morally depraved their precious 'meimei' really is
jc stans will say literally anything about wei ying to try and make themselves feel better about so deeply relating to the most rightfully unloved character in mdzs
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weaponising yzy's gender in an attempt to mask the abuse she inflicts as valid and progressive will never work. not only does she direct her abuse towards people lower than her in the social hierarchy, abuse is inherently non-progressive regardless of who administers it.
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this post does not apply to yzy. she is a fleshed out character whose motivations, feelings and personality is given space in the narrative, but no amount of complexity you could possibly apply to her character erases the fact that she is a child abuser.
Also this but with how morally grey character writing in male vs female charas is received
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like i don't think mxtx went far enough with the incense burners tbh. if there's one more thing i need (other than a wedding extra) it's post-canon hgj dominating a bratty teenxian during the cloud recesses arc. he'd tame him so easily... imagine him doing it publicly
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she's so insecure and bitter about her husband supposedly not loving her the way he loved cangse sanren, and all she can do about it is project those same feelings on her son and abuse her husband's ward
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canon wangxian you will always be famous
i think one of my favorite tropes is when a bottom who talks a lot of shit, provokes the top into fucking him gets fucked so hard & rough that he can no longer form a coherent thought. and when he tries crawling away to escape from the top, gets dragged back and fucked some more.
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the grief, the yearning, the angst... i eat it up everytime 🤧
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there's also this weird idea that characters cannot be well written or complex unless they're morally ambiguous. a character being a good person doesn't make them devoid of internal conflict, remaining true to your values amidst heavy suffering is compelling to me.
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jiang cheng is indeed angry, but since when did anger become a specifically feminine trait? calling a bad-tempered male misogynist female-coded is seriously a choice, as is referring to him as a scorned woman - he wasn't betrayed in love, he takes on the role of betrayer. he is
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also wwx knew that he wouldn't succeed in keeping the wens safe forever, he tells wn that his death was inevitable. he protected them for however long he could despite knowing this because he knew that they didn't deserve to be worked to death in camps. this depiction of wwx as
"got in waayyyy over his head" they mock him for protecting innocent people because if they praise him for it they'd have to acknowledge how morally depraved their precious 'meimei' really is
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quick reminder that if femininity and being fucked is equivalent to weakness in your mind, you've got strong issues with both internalised misogyny and homophobia that you need to address.
Btw this is what people mean when they Mu Qing/ FengQing fans will throw stones and then play victim. OP is talking why Xie Lian can’t comforted by Hua Cheng which has been a topic all week and this user somehow construed it into this.
These people hate that Xie Lian is the
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lwj is governed primarily by his morals, that is why he saved a-yuan.
I believe Lwj not even cared for a-yuan, he just saved bc it was the last person wwx cared for and he was yk super obsessed with the guy.
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mxtx my queen i'm so sorry your fandom doesn't know how to read and as a result regurgitate the views you explicitly criticise and reject in your works... you deserved better
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'why do you not resist?' he wants to noncon wwx so badly
"when you push me down my legs open themselves involuntarily"
"it's hard for you but it's hard for me too"
I SWEAR THERE ARE NO SHOU LIKE WWX EVER IN DANMEI. the fact that he probably said it with serious face too IM DYING I CAN'T HE'S SUCH A SLUT
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how can you mock wwx stans for supposedly victimising him (cough cough 'xianderella') when you do the same thing with jc to the extent that you'll deny facts of the novel and dismiss them as rumour?
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teenji viewing wwx as this uncontainable symbol of unattainable freedom...
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@hgjswifi
just disgusting people, that's why there are only a few select characters in mdzs that i actually like and will defend. the worst thing is that people irl defend it so much, you'd think they'd know better
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@yaoilaozu
he's pulling on lwj's pigtails throughout the entire cloud recesses arc, lol. i love them so much
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if he tried his best he wouldn't have lead the siege knowing that the wens wwx were protecting were innocent - he knew about that, he mocks wwx for protecting “the old, the weak, the women, and the children.” he did not have to lead the siege, nobody forced him to do that
He tried his best but you expect big things from a leader who lost everything. You want him to go against all the other clans? Why not apply that moral responsibility as well to other clans and Lan Wangi as well. He is the most comfortable position yet done nothing.
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'we are not shown jc's pov' as a response to him being unrepentant about massacring the wens is such a strange argument bc did mxtx not give him a mouth with which to speak words? if he felt regret (he didn't) he could have said something, he yapped enough in the novel
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how can jzx's death be an example of an 'evil' wwx committed when it was done accidentally? you're comparing that to people brutally murdering defenceless old people?
@fuchsiastorms
To be fair, I’m pretty sure every character in mdzs has committed some sort of evil at some point(I.E wwx killing Jin lings father who was also innocent) its kind of unfair to judge someone for liking said character, like Wen Ning fans. Nobody says anything about him either
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anyway, wen ning has never done anything wrong in his entire life
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@dogeisms
i'm not being forced, but unfortunately many women living in the subcontinent aren't so lucky. i will continue to speak for and about them regardless of how it makes rapist supporters like you feel.
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thinking about wy playing around in yunmeng without a thought about lwj in his sweet little head while lwj is constantly obsessing over that bratty twink who upended his entire life
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'why is narumitsu losing' because canon yaoi is always superior to the slop bored fangirls cook up and hallucinate when there are no actual gay characters on screen. no amount of being an edgy loser in the qrts will make that ship canon or relevant btw <3
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zhancheng shippers are bitter jc stans who wish he had wwx's place in the narrative. they cling to mischaracterised fanfic to cope with the fact that their fave is canonically lonely, miserable and chronically heterosexual while wwx has a husband who adores and spoils him.
you can ship whoever you want but lan wangji x jiang cheng physically makes me gag like... ew
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lwj to himself after seeing wwx talk to another man: wei ying needs to be restrained more tightly. no, even tighter than that. he shouldn't be allowed to move his arms even an inch, a few tight knots aren't enough. he needs more
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@lesbians4wwx
exactly, she had every intention of chopping of wy's arm before she felt slighted by a 'lower class' woman. it's so pathetic when you realise that her hatred of wy really stems from resentment about her husband not loving her - i don't find her cool or impressive at all really
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if these yaoi polls were being honest they would include stuff like ai no kusabi, not stucky... the issue is that fujos these days don't actually read yaoi
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i don't think straight men even in fiction are capable of offering the kind of love and dedication hua cheng gives to xie lian
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hello kitty being described as a 'cheerful and happy girl with a heart of gold', they're so much alike! that's his little sister. plus they both have catlike attributes
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'abysmal knowledge about the genre she writes' so because she doesn't conform to every single convection and aspect of xianxia in mdzs, rather than understand that she's subverting the genre you assume that she has no knowledge of it - why?
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"it's not fair! why do you only hit me! why is it only me again?" i've never wanted to pull a character from a page and cover them in bubble wrap more :(
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no fic where wangxian switch is better than the story mxtx gave us... they have a fixed dynamic and yes it is that deep
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also no, she didn't have to love wwx but yes she did have an obligation to show him kindness and to not abuse him. that's the bare minimum treatment every adult owes a child
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why as a wife are you sticking your ass out... whorish behaviour
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"people calling lxc a himbo makes me break out into hives" mind you mxtx herself said that he wasn't very smart 😭
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anyway wangxian are both wives. wwx is a bratty babygirl and lwj is his ice princess top ♥️
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@hgjswifi
like when has anyone ever said that he's genuinely meek?? in bed maybe but that's all roleplay. lwj is actually the shy, reserved one between them especially in wwx's first life - the morally superior switch enjoyers aren't as subversive as they think they are
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the term 'arrogant' is used by jgs to vitalise a mob against wwx, only effective bc he's the 'son of a servant'. the purpose of the label is to lambast him for his refusal to adhere to the classist notion that he be obedient towards his 'betters' -
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i do think that white christians (or western people in general tbh) viewing mdzs through a christian context is why you get takes like "wwx is morally grey" even though mdzs obviously has absolutely nothing to do with christianity
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thinking about hgj softly kissing and biting wei ying's puffed out, teary cheeks as he denies him orgasm after orgasm...
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did i miss discourse about the wen remnants again? some fans really hate the fact that people recognise the siege as the unjustifiable massacre that it was. nothing that happened to jc excuses him leading it.
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women in power are not immune from abusing others, and the abuse is not justified just because the abuser herself is miserable. this side of the fandom does not excuse male abusers either.
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also, yeah he has a sugar daddy. so did jc, the difference is that wy's sugar daddy is his husband who's deeply in love with him whereas jc is just jgs' spineless bootlicker.
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whitewashing her in your fanon does not change the fact that her insecurities destroyed her family and that she canonically singled wwx out for her verbal diatribes and for physical punishment. if you label her as morally grey (lmao) why whine when fans criticise her character?
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@citythelight
there was a fic with that exact plot, it's unfinished but so good! 'vinegar jug' i think it was called
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the way mxtx consistently emphasises jc as lwj's foil is so interesting - right before this scene we see jc hide the fact that he used wwx to buy liquor. wwx is used to being singled out, but lwj has the moral backbone to hold himself to the same standards everyone holds wwx to.
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@Mercyfallsy
the only 'evidence' we get that jfm valued wwx over jc are yzy's paranoid, bitter ramblings - she should not have spoken that way in front of him. i can see why jc would have a complex about that, i was saying it should be painfully obvious to the fandom - and yes it should be
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satosugu fans complaining about wangxian's cnc kink like one half of their fanon ship didn't kill the other half is insane. gojo is still in two pieces, hgj having rape fantasises of his husband should be the least of their concerns
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sorry to bring back this discourse, just saw something annoying on tiktok 🙄
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this is what post-canon lwj looks like every night btw.
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wwx's primary betrayer. if we're using the definition of scorned to mean disparaged and disdained, there are many female characters in the novel who fit that label. jiang cheng is far from even the most belittled male character in the novel.
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@hanguangjoobs
exactly, they dismiss them as pointless but the extras do tell us a lot about both wwx and lwj - them not reading them is part of why they're able to mischaracterise them so easily imo. also their disgust at the idea of gay sex does reek of homophobia icl 😭
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jc torturing everyone he believed to be wwx is a fact not a rumour people spread bc they hate him. jc admits it in his own thoughts, jin ling also confirms it. no wwx stan needs to lie about what happened in the novel when they rightly analyse him as the victim of classism he is
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sorry, most people aren't as evil as you are and some of us do have emotional control, so stop projecting.
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jc stans do this funny thing where they don't like admitting that he was morally grey but at the same time can't properly argue against it, so as a compromise they try and drag wwx down with them by assigning him moral ambiguity that the author herself denies
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how can anyone tell us not to call wwx a princess when he looks like this?
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your brains are so fried that you'll deny textual examples of child abuse being shoved in your face because you dislike wwx. yzy was a pathetic child abuser who took out the fact that her husband didn't love her out on an orphan, there is nothing admirable about that
the jiang clan hate that runs religiously in the mdzs community needs to be studied actually... are u hating cuz its personal or are u hating cuz oh no wei wuxian got hurt
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i honestly think he's the most evil mdzs character and that's really saying something.
I just saw a post on tumblr and it brought up a good point … why the fuck did jgs not bring up the death of his SON when wwx showed up at nightless city … he mentioned the death of his disciples at qiongqi path but not his SON?? FUCK ??
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the fandom police really views masculinity as this sacred force that must never be tainted by gross, corrupt femininity and then wonder why they're called misogynists when they're literally just regurgitating age-old sexist rhetoric
forgot some hold on
- hates the protagonist and vilifies them at any given chance
- misses the entire point of the novel but calls others illiterate
- hates one half of the main couple (often the protag)
- "let men be masculine"
- be the right kind of gay or else you're a fetish
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not hunting down a 15 year old who didn't harm him in any way does not make him a good person. he was perfectly fine with him dying during the siege though - 'so it’s only the old, the weak, the women, and the children' (chapter 73)
I want to clarify something. JC didn’t hate the Wens until this. JC didn’t have a desire to hurt them until this. JC is a victim of genocide. JC and JL are LITERALLY Endlings of the Jiang Clan. The fact that JC most likely knows LSZ is a Wen and leaves him alone tells you a lot.
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omega in disguse wwx is such a good concept!! all the mulan aus i've read that were based on this idea have been great. i like the idea of him continuing the ruse throughout the sunshot campaign and then him being discovered while he's living in the burial mounds - for peak angst
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@ghost_purr
why are they acting like she had no choice but to abuse him lmao, such unserious individuals
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kyoshi going into the avatar state after seeing rangi cry... atla fans are so silly arguing about mid ships when they should be raving about rangshi
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"stucky did so much for tumblr" "it's winter soldiers tenth anniversary today" idc wangxian is superior in every conceivable way
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@lz1316
they know to have me blocked, i had a response ready for them. i love how eager jc stans are to admit that they're awful people, it makes it far more validating to dismiss their arguments as entirely worthless.
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do you think that slavery is a righteous practise that should not be condemned when it is normalised within a society? do you understand that what you call 'perfectly okay' is condemned in the novel? why do you think that law is the bastion of morality?
@7a11jovcT55hAnG
If it was perfectly okay for the Jin Sect to monopolize them as servants, wouldn’t it have been legit to raise a point that—instead of doing work to glorify the allied sect of wishy-washy loyalty—they be put to work by the Jiang Sect? You know, the ones that suffered the most?
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it's funny that they bring mdzs into it because i've actually seen this argument in relation to mdzs before, that romance isn't an important part of the novel
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@Hanniechan1004
@NnHalen
killing innocents is not avenging his clan, the people he killed had nothing to do with what happened at lp. mdzs criticises this society, the novel does not justify their actions
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ignorant exists only in their own minds. jc disapproved of wwx protecting innocents before the wen remnants, but they'll never talk about that.
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