@donlayman BUN remains [harmlessly] elevated indefinitely on high protein diets. As long as you are eating more protein than the average person, you are going to have higher BUN than the average person. 😁🙌🏼

@donlayman Are there studies looking a the impact of high protein diets on BUN? Does it increase? Is that bad?

Hold these two thoughts in your head: --There's been a relentless crusade to frame the food system as "broken" and in need of wholesale "replacement" using radical measures. It's urgent. Moonshots are needed. AND --Family farms in Europe and the US are disappearing at alarming rates See what's wrong here? We KNOW how to produce healthy foods--meat, eggs, dairy--but farmers/ranchers have been relentlessly hit with govt regulations, phony campaigns to say their products are unhealthy and responsible for climate change, etc. These are false claims. All this, I believe, is to make way for the new "future of food"--new fake-food products, ultra-processed foods, and other food-like substances that will profit large corporations. For instance, a recent letter signed by 150 notables, sponsored by the World Food Prize Foundation, says we need more investment in "the creation of nutrient-rich food from microorganisms and fungi." Also, there's the issue of control of the food systems. Corporate, centralized vs. independent, autonomous. The narrative that our "broken" food system needs replacing is just that--a narrative. Created to shift to more centralized food systems that yield more corporate profits. We have, for millennia, known how to raise/grow healthy food. We need to make THIS more sustainable. 🐄🐏🍳

@donlayman Last time I checked, Leucine was the biggest activator

@exfatloss @rrektcapital @donlayman I read somewhere that exercise does stimulate mTOR, but nowhere to the degree that eating protein does. The difference was 4-5 fold. I can't find the paper, though.

@donlayman Body weight or lean mass?

@donlayman Watching your comments on the USDA's public hearing about the dietary guidelines. Well done! Thank you!

Presumably this doesn't scale with obesity? I find this makes "protein per weight" difficult; most numbers aren't given per lean mass and many don't know their lean mass. Do you use something like "per optimal/normal weight" maybe? These studies tend to be done in young, healthy weight people who are probably 15-25% body fat (men).

@rrektcapital @donlayman The couch people need to cram down protein to activate mTOR cause exercise never will, the pro athletes need enough protein cause they're mTORing all day anyway, and need to provide the building blocks?

@donlayman Could you reiterate what you think an optimal protein amount would be for a "normal, healthy" person who isn't inactive but also not a professional athlete/bodybuilder? I.e. what most of us should probably strive for?

Given how most people are not physically active young males, I'd suspect most people need less protein then? Sure, vegans eat 20% more to be sure (low protein quality).

@KetoCarnivore @exfatloss @sudas1891 @DikemanDave @Leo_Abstract @charbrisc @AKoutnik @raphaels7 @CarnivoreAugust @SBakerMD @Mikejulian26 As I understand it, the RDA is supposed to be a bare minimum floor for people. I've heard @donlayman talk extensively about this before.

The Mediterranean diet promoted here in the US is a total scam. Here are 5 things that are just not true. Claim: The Med diet is all about whole grains! Reality: Italians do not eat whole-grain pasta. Pasta in Italy is made with white durum wheat. Claim: The Med diet is plant strong. Reality: Italians do not eat a plant-based diet. They are surrounded by the ocean and so eat lots of seafood, and they raise all kinds of grazing mammals (goats, sheep, cattle) as well as pigs. Claim: The Med diet is low in saturated fat. Reality: Italians love their olive oil, but they also love butter and cheese, especially in the North, where dairying was more popular than in the South due to the climatological and geographic differences between N and S. Claim: The fats in the Med diet come mainly from plants, including seeds. Reality: Italians do not get a lot of their dietary fat from seeds. They do eat some, sure, but it's not like a staple. Claim: The Med diet includes small amounts of pork. Reality: According to what's available on menus and what's in cookbooks, Italians eat a lot of pork. Hello prosciutto, salami, sausages, and pancetta. Just check out any website on traditional pork dishes: Claim: Italians eat nonfat Greek yogurt. Reality: Not even the Greeks eat nonfat Greek yogurt. Here's a University "peer review research supported" website that contains all of this misinformation:

Global per capita protein supply in 2022 was 91 g/person/d -- this is before adjusting for food loss/waste. Number 1 source is wheat and wheat products at 17 g/d.