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Reminder for transfem folks fleeing the issues at
@GenderGP
, we've got a complete starters guide to HRT on our site. If you don't have any preexisting health issues there's nothing to worry about!
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Please don't speak to a major news outlet about DIY. Like ever, under any circumstances. It doesn't matter if the journalist means well, the editorial staff have an agenda to push and final say. If they genuinely want to help trans people there's plenty scandal elsewhere.
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As a trans person, the risk of attempted suicide for not being on HRT is hundreds of times higher than any life-threatening side effect of correctly used DIY HRT. This is what all the data tells us, and anyone opposing DIY HRT needs to reckon with that fact.
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As a trans person, the risk of attempted suicide for not being on HRT is hundreds of times higher than any life-threatening side effect of correctly used DIY HRT. This is what all the data tells us, and anyone opposing DIY HRT needs to reckon with that fact.
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@Americhadfella
We only operate on the transfem side of things as Testosterone is more heavily controlled in most places but tbh its the other way round. Transmasc people who DIY mostly get it from the same places as gym roid guys. We get cis women looking for menopause medication plenty.
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A lot of folks seem unaware but ~£10/mo is roughly the cost of homebrew injections including needle supplies. Obviously blood tests are extra.
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Please stop posting about the website that got a takedown request.
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Folks, you don't need permission from your favourite youtuber to do DIY. Most c*s people will never understand why we do this and thats okay, we don't need to argue with them. If you're ever confronted with the question just tell them how inaccessible trans healthcare is.
Muta really did have the opinion of some ordinary gamer. Bro was fearmongered DIY HRT for minors, and even sided with the fucking UK government cracking down on a DIY HRT supplier. This medicine helps prevent suicides, and these sites are often the only way minors can access it.
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Just a quick update on events the last couple weeks, Girlpotion and Felicitas are both out of operation at the moment and if you're under any urgency to get HRT you should seek out other providers.
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There's DIY HRT discourse afoot once again and as always "but its unsafe!" is the kneejerk response from opponents. We've written plenty on how thats rubbish, but it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding about medicine and transhumanism that I think it'd be fun to explore. 🧵
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DIY HRT suppliers need to get way more serious about purging big tech data tracking from their websites. I understand most don't have a tech background and are just doing their best but the way private data is being used to criminalise abortion in the US is genuinely terrifying.
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@Americhadfella
Yep! There's a lot of handwringing about how this is all spooky and dangerous but its all meds your family doctor would prescribe on the spot off a 10 minute conversation. Cis women on the skincare subreddit rave about Spiro, one of the most common T blockers for trans people.
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I hope we can move past Pink News at some point. They don't do any serious reporting or investigation, it's just Daily Mail tier fear porn for queer people. At least Stats for Lefties is just a twitter account.
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@LunaIsUnsure
It's not the most critical article but it has a lot of problems. The very real concerns of trans people are put on equal footing with an uncritical repetition and Cass's bullshit and lies. It also foreground's the concerns of parents. It's doing the meme.
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Making puberty blockers the first line endocrine treatment for trans kids instead of just giving them hormones was a faustian bargain between a society that would only accept trans people's existence as an incurable mental illness and the people willing to accept those terms.
NHS letter going out that confirms discrimation against trans children
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If you're in Britain then please keep safe the next few days. However this tiny group of subhuman fascists are making you feel right now there's an entire world out there waiting to love and accept you. They will not win, we won't let them.
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There's a ton of different studies but ~40% total have attempted suicide, this goes up to ~55% in adolescents, and ~85% report suicidal ideation. These numbers all drop by at least 10x after social and medical transition.
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The worst specific risk you could point to is that taking Cyproterone (a commonly used T blocker in Europe) at 50mg/day (4x the recommended dose) raises your risk of developing Meningioma (a benign easily-treated brain tumour), at some point in your life, from 0.0079% to 0.06%.
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We've started to add lab tests to the site. They're shown on the store and product pages at the moment, but we'll add a dedicated page for them soon. If you see any tests missing then please let us know.
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This is a drug regularly prescribed to cis women to treat acne.
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Cannot overstate what a mandatory read this book is for transfems. It's 16 years old, it predates the existence of Tumblr and the 720p option on youtube, yet contained within it is comprehensive and compassionate refutation of every bad trans discourse you ever have or will read.
FYI the 3rd edition of
#WhippingGirl
(w/new Afterword on the current anti-trans moral panic) comes out next month! if you're a media outlet/creator interested in writing about it or interviewing me, just let me know (at )...
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SciShow:
At 6:50 They claim it is “better” for breast growth to start on a lower does of hrt and increase it. This is often done for safety purposes in case a body reacts poorly, not because there’s evidence it will be better for breast growth ?
At 7:06 they claim that breast growth will
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People will talk about blood clotting risks for Estrogen but that's mostly repeating old truisms about Premarin and Ethinylestradiol. Modern Bioidentical Estradiol doesn't even meet the scientific definition of "clinically significant" if taken non-orally.
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The only people invested in this discourse are trans people with nothing to gain from winning it, and the nosiest losers on the internet.
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Paracetamol is far more damaging per-pill to your liver and you can buy enough of it to kill you for $20. We just don't talk about that because no one without a chronic pain condition would be taking it every single day indefinitely.
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As usual, if anyone involved in these projects is tapped out and reading this, from the bottom of our hearts we thank you for all your hard work, the people you've helped and lives you've saved. It's a lot and no one can do this forever ❤️
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A reminder that has a subscription feature. You can make an account, subscribe to any products you want and receive emails they're back in stock at any stores you trust.
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Really concerning stuff in here from
@F1NN5TER
about GenderGP. We've been following this for several years and heard a lot of stories because naturally, a lot of folks coming our way are ex-GGP patients.
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After a long run as a highly reputable provider, Felicitas had internal issues that we won't discuss publicly, though we can confirm they're unrelated to the quality or safety of any product you might have already shipped. If they return we'll make sure those issues are resolved.
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Also, if you have any pre-existing health conditions PLEASE check if they have interaction with HRT medications, even if a doctor prescribed it to you. Doctors are human and humans make mistakes, I have seen shit you wouldn't believe on this front.
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Most oral blockers do have a non-trivial impact on the liver, but in terms of it becoming life-threatening we're still well within 1-in-thousands territory. That's true of MOST pills too, it's only notable with HRT because you'll be taking it every day for the rest of your life.
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Locked replies because people can't stop feeding trolls.
This is not another opportunity to own the cons and no one coming here to argue about it will have their minds changed, its lifesaving healthcare under adverse circumstances. I'm glad u enjoyed the meme tho.
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If you're trying to calculate expected levels for a given HRT dose then Estrannaise is a much better tool than the Transfemscience calculator. It uses mostly the same data sources, but plugs them into a more accurate model and displays uncertainty.
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And if you are DIYing never lie to a doctor about it. You don't need to justify yourself to them but they can't do their job properly if they don't have the whole picture. Trans broken arm syndrome is annoying but a bad interaction or a missed diagnosis can kill you.
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As always the important thing is just "do your research", a phrase that has become unfortunately cursed in recent times but remains true. Start with our guide, do further reading on the bits you don't get it. You can't go wrong following WPATH guidelines.
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Girlpotion has had an increasing frequency of customs issues over the last couple months, plus persistent (purely technical) email delivery problems for most of this year. Their site went down following a DDoS wave and has been inaccessible since October 4th.
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Lastly we'd like to address Vanna. Despite their site remaining up, it's been almost 6 months since their last restock and several months since they updated their canary. The canary update is a manual process that they needed reminders about, so it was likely just forgotten.
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This is a perfectly fair and reasonable statement from Rose. Obviously it's impossible to say with complete certainty until someone has a lab test, but the number of people coming forward about this is fairly small and the evidence is quite weak.
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We've heard no indications of issues and their site remains up, so we'll leave them listed for now. Our site clearly indicates how long they've been out of stock so we trust people to plan around that.
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We've reached out to them directly so we'll see what comes back, but for now we're operating under the assumption they're done for now and will give them a week or so before updating the site accordingly.
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Whatever new trans rights movement forms in the aftermath of this current hate wave HAS to be grounded in an understanding that some people are just trans and thats fine. Transmedicalism as the dominant mode of understanding has been a disaster for decades, we have to give it up.
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Modern medicine as we'd recognise it today began with the gradual acceptance of germ theory in the early 1800s. Prior to that we had no real understanding of why people got ill, we just noticed patterns that some things helped and some things didn't.
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If you're looking for a replacement for come check out ! We've been around for a couple years as a UK-focused Discord community but recently built the site and started expanding the supplier list.
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They talk about "illegal immigrants" and "the boats", and maybe some part of you agrees in principle, but they're lying. They hate a black woman whose ancestors survived slavery in Brixton just as much as a Syrian guy stepping off a dinghy. You don't have to give them credit.
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The real breakthrough of germ theory was to prove that we aren't gifted with life by the magic of the gods, and that we're not operated by some supernatural force. Our bodies are just machines made of water and chemicals, and like any complex machine sometimes they break down.
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This outcome was sealed with the initial Keira Bell judgement when the NHS chose to ignore this compromise and claim the use of puberty blockers was evidence based due to non-trivial regret rates. The last 3 years have just been transphobes dribbling the ball up to an open goal.
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Because it raises some existentially terrifying questions: If our bodies are just machines then what are we? How could there be anything after death if there is nothing supernatural in our construction? What separates us from the animals?
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We joke about ancient doctors using leeches to get the ghosts out of our blood, but those were post-hoc explanations for the clear observable fact that leeches did genuinely help treat certain conditions and alleviate certain types of pain.
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This is still a touchy subject for many people today and most of our faiths have reckoned with and integrated it, but for much of the Enlightenment it was more radically challenging than Galileo. As acceptance grew, a constant moral panic followed in its wake.
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Signal boosting this thread for more feedback. Try not to get too conspiratorial, don't jump to conclusions, but if you've had or not had issues with recent Astrovials orders then post here!
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No one, not even the imagined straight white working class British man, shares common cause with these people. They don't want to make anyone's life better, not even their own. They're just sadists who get off on inflicting raw pain and misery on anyone different from them.
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RCGP have been putting out plainly transphobic policy for a while but we have to understand the real issue is austerity and underfunding. Disability and chronic condition activists have been facing this for years. Otherwise we're just squabbling over who gets the lifeboats.
We are deeply concerned by the new
@rcgp
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Anyway to leave you a shorter line on this, modern medicine has a lot to say on how to keep you alive but not a lot to say on giving you a life worth staying alive for. HRT is a risk worth taking even on modern medicine's own terms, but we should be disputing those terms too.
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@F1NN5TER
We've stayed quiet on the issue as it didn't seem productive to call out, but with such a large public figure talking about it like this the cat's out of the bag. The service has drastically deteriorated in the last few months far beyond what's addressed in the video.
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Gender diagnosis interview but instead the Dr is a hot lesbian biting her lips and saying "Yeah, your a girl".
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Thus the gatekeeping and the deference to a bunch of perverts that want to call us mentally ill. A doctor will happily treat a mental illness with a drug that has a well-studied pattern of helping it, but they won't help you change your body just because you want to.
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Like all herbal alternatives these are a scam. There is no pathway within an AMAB body to produce Estrogens at meaningful concentrations and hormone supplements will simply be metabolised into more Androgens. There is no substitute for pharmaceutical-grade bioidentical Estradiol.
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And so to bring it full circle this is the conundrum that gender-affirming medicine presents: The outcomes are good, and people want it, but from the perspective of many doctors we're upsetting the "natural" state of a healthy body without treating a clearly defined condition.
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To "yes and" this, there'a an increasing gap between where the research is at and what most prescribers are doing such that the risks of DIY are often lower anyway. We want a world where our project doesn't need to exist.
as always, if a person opposing DIY HRT isn't the strongest advocate for increasing healthcare access to HRT - they oppose all of it
people mostly DIY for lack of access to proper channels
& if they DIY anyway who cares as long as they're safe
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The true enemy of medicine is entropy. Our bodies are complex systems, they break down over time, and any intervention today simply creates more problems later. It doesn't matter if its taking a pill, open heart surgery or eating an apple.
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By the turn of the 20th century we'd settled on the notion that a person is their brain and the rest of the body serves to keep it functioning. Logically then, medicine decided its purpose was to maintain the body's "normal" state as long as possible, thus extending our lives.
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Its also where the transhumanist moral panic begins, because if our bodies are just machines with parts that can swapped and replaced, then can we Ship of Theseus a person? Jacob Geller did an excellent video essay on this a while back.
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There are many who believe if we can get enough data, if we can get everything in balance, if we just keep everything "normal", we can cure death itself. Followed to its own logical extent, modern medicine views itself as a work-in-progress instruction manual for immortality.
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For example, Chemotherapy is literally poison. During WW1 doctors noted that patients exposed to Mustard Gas had decreased white blood cell counts. Initial trials injecting Lymphoma patients with these chemicals were wildly successful, and they remain in use to this day.
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This gets treated as a default common sense stance but it's not. Medicine works like this because some random guys in the early 1900s decided it should. It's an entirely ideological stance that is becoming increasingly unsustainable as the world chips away at it.
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They're not statistics, they're people. They deserve respect just like anyone else, and by god if you've seen what some of them are fleeing you'd be offering your own couch. Once the fascists are dealt with we've got all the time in the world to figure out those differences.
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We discuss desired transition outcomes but the internal logic of medicine doesn't care about desire, it merely asks what is the lowest possible dose that can measurably alleviate Gender Dysphoria? In essence, its triangulating a tolerable level of permanent unhappiness.
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On one side from a growing realm of possibility, treatments that don't fit the framework of "interventions to maintain a normal state". On the other side, an increasingly greedy capitalist death grip on medicine that wants to haggle over what treatments people really "need".
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@hecubian_devil
Cassie please, this is deeply irresponsible to be promoting on a public platform. The safety risks are a bit overstated sometimes but the rationale for why it would work is almost completely bunk.
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@F1NN5TER
If any trans news organisation wants help reporting on this feel free to get in touch. We can provide you with a lot more information and sources.
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I know the trans community has a lot of former right wingers at various stages of reform, and some of you might feel uncomfortable knowing many immigrants have cultural or religious backgrounds that aren't exactly LGBT-friendly. I want to speak to that crowd for a second.
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The good UK HRT homebrewer that everyone knows just relisted vials as back in stock.
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These drugs are dangerous, a lot of patients will die as a result of taking them, but if that buys them another 5-10 years then we all agree that's a great outcome and no one's handwringing over their safety.
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@Enbyqueere621
Well thats the thing, I don't even think thats true of most people. I think if you sat down the average person for 20 minutes and got them to understand the situation they'd hesitantly approve, but they're also unaffected by it and don't care enough to do that.
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Short explanation for why we've removed Astrovials from the site.
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If you found this interesting I'd highly recommend the book Health Communism by
@realLandsEnd
and
@avierkant
, and
@MaintenancePod
hosted by
@RottenInDenmark
and
@yrfatfriend
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It's important to understand the ingredients in a homebrewed vial are incredibly cheap. There's only $1-3 of actual Estradiol in a vial that costs $50-100, there's no reason to skimp on it. You're paying them for the time, expertise and risk, the materials are nothing.
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If you've noticed that several homebrew suppliers are having issues recently, part of it is because some ingredient suppliers have been having issues getting things through customs lately.
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is an aggregator of reliable online pharmacies that sell HRT medications without a prescription. It tracks price and stock levels over time, and provides useful information about the products and stores.
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👀
happy pride month. spread and share diy hrt with your companions and communities across time and space to build the networks today. transition is an individually unique journey that is constructed and bolstered through our social relations
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Based on the uniformly positive responses in this thread we've decided to relist
@Rose_astrovials
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We'd like to reaffirm that these issues were only with orders and communication, the safety of their product was never in doubt.
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1/5 We've revamped our website! You can now easily find out where to buy all kinds of HRT products, get information on the suppliers and how to use them safely, and receive stock and pricing updates by email or discord. Lets take a look! 🧵
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A line I realised I forgot to draw is that "every intervention today causes more problems later" is why, usually correctly, there's a culture of doing the smallest possible thing to fix a problem. This is also why we have such huge problems with underdosing in trans HRT.
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We are fully aware of the attacks going on against DIY pharmacies, we've just chosen not to post about it publicly to avoid sharing blue intel. Information of this nature should always be handled on a need-to-know basis and under circumstances like this that group grows smaller.
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@hecubian_devil
Pio works by reducing insulin resistance and that will over time lead to more fat deposition, but to suggest it as part of a standard transfem HRT regimen you're implicitly saying that AMAB people have higher insulin resistance than AFAB people.
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Obviously its great to have trans folks educating the RCGP but in the long run its a side issue. Short term we need to spread knowledge and awareness of DIY to save lives, and long term we need to fight for vastly increased NHS spending alongside activists from other communities.
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@warirem
The risk is that even if your GP says yes today, theres nothing stopping them from changing their mind in 6 months and you've absolutely no recourse if they do.
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Even when we reported on issues with Astrovials a few months ago we stated repeatedly that there were no concerns about the quality of the product. It was just orders being delayed and we wanted to make sure there wasn't an exit scam taking place.
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Got a happier update, Felicitas's store is finally back open! They ship within the EU, sell vials and gel, and they've added Progesterone to their product lineup.
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@hecubian_devil
Its the exact same problem as weight loss drugs but in reverse: there are non-trivial risks, and you're not addressing the real underlying issue so whatever small benefit it provides will reverse the minute you stop taking it.
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I stay away from discussing anything besides DIY HRT on this account but naturally the following skews towards early transition. If you are anything less than blissfully at ease with your identity and sharing in the ad-hoc sisterhood with cis women, reading this book will help.
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If you're trying to calculate expected levels for a given HRT dose then Estrannaise is a much better tool than the Transfemscience calculator. It uses mostly the same data sources, but plugs them into a more accurate model and displays uncertainty.
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@hecubian_devil
... and not only that they have it, but 1) its caused by factors other than Androgen dominance despite the fact that basically all research on the subject for Diabetes says the opposite and 2) its the singular or at least main reason why some people see suboptimal results.
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A couple homebrewers have actually done this before and it wasn't a big deal, just "oops sorry" via email and free replacements were sent.
@TransHarmRedux
's lab test for Otokonoko last year even showed contamination of EV in their EEn vials and no one seemed to care much.
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